Russian President Vladimir Putin visit to Delhi‘soon’, exact date to be negotiated: Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov - The Hindu
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PoliticalCanvas@reddit
> Pre-2022 year India: "Сolonial imerialism is bad!"
> Post-2022 year India: "Сolonial imerialism is bad... But we will still finance it because we need cheap oil to become next China!"
AravRAndG@reddit (OP)
And then resell it to Europe!
PoliticalCanvas@reddit
Culture eats strategy for breakfast...
I don't know how it was before but right now main argument of substantial part of Reddit's India apologist - Russian version of Whataboutism.
Yes, sell some part to Europe. But how this mitigate Indian responsibility for sponsoring imperialism revival and WMD-proliferation among totalitarian regimes?
AravRAndG@reddit (OP)
whataboutism? It's the literal truth, sponsoring totalitarian regimes? You guys really need to check on west sponsoring countries! Second part india needs to buy oil in order to keep the market in check, you can't just remove Russian oil from market without prices sky rocketing. Also to not let Russia completely be dependent on china. Btw, europe is still buying Russian gas! It's normal geopolitics
PoliticalCanvas@reddit
What regimes West sponsoring right now that have the same level of expansionism and archaism as modern Russia? And haw much such regimes violated International Law's in comparison with Russia?
Israel, that after 13/15 attacks on itself from others reacted on purposeful slaughter own civilians by fundamentalists that want among others India destruction? Saudi Arabia that still not expansionistic? Who else you could name?
Oil quantities and prices determined by monopolistic collusion! If India really wanted cheap non-Russian oil it could have at least try to state that it have such need! And offer to other sellers long-term contracts. But because of few bucks difference India not even tried!
AravRAndG@reddit (OP)
1971 Pakistan killed 300k-3m with full support from West. Iraq War. Afghanistan war. China was made by the West by transferring all their companies to China in order to get cheap products. Saudi killed 300k in yemen. Turkey yesterday stopped water for 1m people Coups done in South America.
PerunVult@reddit
Got a source for that?
AravRAndG@reddit (OP)
https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/russia-still-second-largest-gas-provider-eu-after-norway-lng-imports-increasing
PerunVult@reddit
Your link:
Report that article is based on:
You:
Your opening claim is a blatant lie. First half 20240LNG imports from ruzzia is at 18%, not your made up 34%. Furthermore, that's compared to 2021 45%. Unfortunately it's not 0, but that kind of change takes time. Also, damned France.
AravRAndG@reddit (OP)
Well sorry, I was about it, I read it in another so I said, my bad!
PerunVult@reddit
Do you have link to that article? I would like to investigate it.
AravRAndG@reddit (OP)
It was a rather old article from probably 2023? I don't remember properly and i quoted it, sorry i probably can't find it, forgive me
PoliticalCanvas@reddit
Outright lie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_aid_to_Pakistan
Aid by year: 1971 - 31 million dollars military supplies.
Compare it with 70 billion dollars of India's economic help to Russia only in 2024 year.
Against expansionistic regime that killed 300,000 people, including by chemical weapons. And to create much more prosperous and democratic country.
Predominantly to stabilize country destabilized by USSR killing of 2,000,000 Afghani.
So that USSR and China not occupied INDIA as they wanted in early 1950s!
Compare all of this with outright fascistic expansionistic empire, leader of totalitarian alliance, that India finance right now. It's just incomparable. So far... Because the more India will pay to Russia money - the more SA and Turkey will receive possibilities to repeat full list of Russian 2014-2024 years International Law violations.
In the 1960s. Constantly under threat of destruction by actively militarizing third of World's population.
What you think would have happened with non-industrialized India of 1960s if USA didn't so actively opposed the communists? The same "USSR-India friendship" as it was after the USA saved China from nuking in 1969 year?
AravRAndG@reddit (OP)
it continued to supply Pakistan with military aid, including military equipment. For example, the U.S. sent military supplies to Pakistan, which included weapons and spare parts for its military forces. In addition, the U.S. kept its fleet, including nuclear submarine.
According to IBC usa killed around 200k civilians in iraq and a study published in lancet n 2006 estimated that over 600,000 Iraqis had died as a result of the war, though this includes both direct violence (from military actions, including U.S. airstrikes and ground combat) and indirect causes (such as disease and lack of healthcare)
usa funded mujahedeen against ussr which led to formation of taliban whom usa fought and KILLED around 45 CIVILIANS
USSR and CHINA occupying india? mate you are beyond stupid if thats what you think lmao
basically u got justification for every bad thing because *it wasnt that bad* or *it would have been WORSE* how tf do you know it would be worse?
Nuking india? you are beyond delusional if u think that lol.
civilians death in ukraine
As of November 2024, the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) reports that more than 9,000 civilians have been confirmed killed since the start of the full-scale invasion. The actual number is likely higher.
Soldiers death.
The Ukrainian government has reported that, as of late 2024, around 70,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed.
NOW COMPARE
PoliticalCanvas@reddit
Again exclusively Whataboutism. All of this is OTHERS, not India. In 2022 year INDIA had chance to say: "India is better than them, hey, OPEC, I want to buy more not Russian oil, who will sell it to us by ling-term contracts?"
Instead India did what exactly? It outright copied Kissinger's position that politics and economy should be divided. But now in times when such decision could led to enormous political degradation/catastrophe, and by it economical ones.
AravRAndG@reddit (OP)
Literally read the last paragraph mate, INDIA had to do it . This isn't a game where one can saywe are better it's geopolitics. It ain't whataboutism, this is just showing your lack of understanding of geopolitics
PoliticalCanvas@reddit
Of course, it is! It's the main India-supported Russian/NK/Iran objective and successes! To degrade geopolitics rules to WMD-blackmail/racketeering.
The main point of everything that Russia doing right now is tie up geopolitical rights and possibilities to the only one resource that Russia have more than others (after Russia lost advantage in the number of slaves and after decrease in the price of natural resources) - WMD.
If right now NK will receive Russian WMD-capabilities you think that all other geopolitical players will say: "nah, it still poorer that Russia and don't have Russian oil, so it cannot have the same geopolitical weight as Russia"?
No, they, as it was with 2014-2024 years Russia, they will say: "NK could kill as big player, therefore it big player."
rowida_00@reddit
Try not to stumble on the US’s long history of CIA-orchestrated regime changes, proxy wars, military interventions, bombing campaigns and illegal invasions ever since the Second World War. I’m afraid you’ll choke on your excitement while justifying their war crimes.
PoliticalCanvas@reddit
All of this to stop this:
_______ 20th century <1945 _______
@@ Occupations or |military interventions|: 1903 China (concession); |1904 Japan| (result of active R.E. expansion); |1907 Iran|; 1914 Austria-Hungary (R.E. first among "Great Powers" begun "secret mobilization"); 1914 China (Uryankhay Krai); 1873/1920 Khiva Khanate; 1919 Belarusian People's Republic; 1920 Azerbaijan Democratic Republic; 1920 Republic of Armenia; 1920 Ukrainian People's Republic; 1921 Georgian Democratic Republic; 1924 Mongolia; |1929 China|; |1936 Spain| (+stolen gold reserve); 1939 Poland; 1939 Finland; 1940 Lithuania; 1940 Latvia; 1940 Estonia; 1940 Romania; |1941 Iran|; 1944 Tuvan People's Republic; 1945 Japan; ||| 1930-1952 Deportations (\~6/1,5 million deported/killed): 21 nationalities + Ingrian Finns genocide.
_______ 20th century >1945 _______
@@ Occupation or |military interventions|: |1946 China (East Turkestan; Manchuria)|; 1946/1955 Austria; 1946 Czechoslovakia; 1946 Hungary; 1946 East Germany; 1946 Bulgaria; |1946 Denmark (Bornhold Island)|; |1946 Finland (Porkkala)|; |1946 Iran|; |1946 Korea|; |1946 China (Port Arthur/Lushon/Dalian naval bases)|; |1950 China (Shanghai Air Defense)|; |Korea 1950|; |1956 Hungary|; |1956 Poland (Poznan Riots)|; |1960 Laos|; |1961 Vietnam|; |1962 Yemen Arab Republic|; |1967/1973 Israel|; |1968 Czechoslovakia|; |1969 China|; |1971 Sudan|; |1972 Somalia|; |1975 Angola|; |1977 Ethiopia and Eritrea|; 1979/1989 Afghanistan (2 million killed); |1984 Nicaragua|
crusadertank@reddit
And how does that change the fact that Europe is buying Russian oil and gas still?
The point is that if somebody wants a country to stop buying Russian stuff, they should start with themselves before telling others to
PoliticalCanvas@reddit
By such logic you deprive India of subjectivity. If India will stop sell to Europe Russian oil - Europe will stop buy it from India.
crusadertank@reddit
I'm not even talking about India here.
I am talking about for example Czechia returning to buying Russian gas
Or how the US imports Russian gas also
How can any country lecture India for buying Russian stuff when they themselves are buying from Russia?
milton117@reddit
The US does not import russian gas in any significant or even minor amount. It is miniscule.
crusadertank@reddit
So its ok to import oil and gas from Russia as long as you dont find it too much is what you are saying?
The US imports Russian fuel and Gas. The EU imports Russian oiland gas. If the west wants people to stop important Russian oil and gas then they should start with themselves or leave everyone else alone.
milton117@reddit
Your position makes absolutely no sense. Yes, it matters if you're not importing much of it and at a heavily discounted price because that way a demand is filled. The US does not ban everybody from importing Russian oil and gas, it just does so under the price cap which is around the break even price of russian extraction costs.
Your understanding of geopolitics is laughably crude.
crusadertank@reddit
"importing Russian gas and oil is ok if I like the country but not ok if I dont"
But anyway the US and Europe is paying above their own price cap for it so you are just wrong about it being heavily discounted
Meanwhile India is getting heavily discounted oil that it desperately needs but you are happy to criticise that
In November 2023 the US imported 36,800 barrels of Russian oil at $74 per barrel according to the US Energy Information Administration
The price cap is $60 incase you didnt know.
But lets just look at Russian oil exports for example.
The EU and rest of the G7 (Ie the US,Uk,Japan and Canada) imported an equal amount of Russian oil directly as India did
So again, if these countries want to criticise India, they can start with themselves
Says the one who clearly knows nothing on the topic and criticising others for what they themselves do.
crusadertank@reddit
"importing Russian gas and oil is ok if I like the country but not ok if I dont"
But anyway the US and Europe is paying above their own price cap for it so you are just wrong about it being heavily discounted
Meanwhile India is getting heavily discounted oil that it desperately needs but you are happy to criticise that
In November 2023 the US imported 36,800 barrels of Russian oil at $74 per barrel according to the US Energy Information Administration
The price cap is $60 incase you didnt know.
But lets just look at Russian oil exports for example.
The EU and rest of the G7 (Ie the US,Uk,Japan and Canada) imported an equal amount of Russian oil directly as India did
So again, if these countries want to criticise India, they can start with themselves
Says the one who clearly knows nothing on the topic and criticising others for what they themselves do.
gobiSamosa@reddit
Cute that you think "WMD-Might make Right/True" was "revived" by Russia in 2022.
India has been suffering from it ever since the West decided to turn a blind eye towards the Pakistani nuclear bomb in the 1980s, when Ukraine wasn't even a country.
PoliticalCanvas@reddit
And because of this, what, India decided to publicly confirm that such behavior is acceptable?
gobiSamosa@reddit
Yes. No need to waste time with the pretentious "rules"-based order.
PoliticalCanvas@reddit
And by your logic, all India neighbors also should have WMD, right?
Because if there are not rules, or rules outright rigged, as modern International Law without inevitability of punishment, why anyone should continue to pretend that they exist?
ScaryShadowx@reddit
Yes, they should, if they feel that the cost of obtaining them is worth their security. Why doesn't the US and other Western countries show the world how bad nukes are by getting rid of all theirs?
What do you think the US' military stance on China would be if they too didn't have access to nukes? What do you think would have happened to Iraq, Libya and Ukraine if they did?
Babbler666@reddit
My guy, you suck at being a "political activist." Maybe get a new hobby.
PoliticalCanvas@reddit
All real political activist is suck because talk about long-term risks to audience that see only what under its legs, more so by qualia terms, is unbelievably difficult. My political activism is not so much activism as washing hands.
So that when after 20-50 years from now some people will ask question:
"Did all people in the 2020s were so mad that rushed to abyss just because of few flying in the wind dollars?"
Someone could say: "No, look, in 2024 year someone said that in 2030-2050s all countries will try to repeat Russia, NK, Iran, Trump, Hungary, India behaviors/"successes" of his time!" Of course, if during that time there are still will be Internet and computers.
Babbler666@reddit
That's a load of meaningless drivel.
Britstuckinamerica@reddit
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PoliticalCanvas@reddit
Which was ok until recent times, when all countries received technological means of WMD-creation and the possibility to start cosplaying modern "Realpolitik players."
How you could notice this, but not "Political activist" in my profile description?
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