Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite Gen 2 will include third-gen Oryon cores
Posted by TwelveSilverSwords@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 36 comments
Posted by TwelveSilverSwords@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 36 comments
duy0699cat@reddit
Meh, hype the chip for near a year then its barely cooler than its predecessor or better than competitor. Qualcomm should keep their mouth shut and put that marketing money to r&d instead.
DerpSenpai@reddit
Oryon v2 is - 50% energy used ISO performance
duy0699cat@reddit
sigh... and how this 50% translate to real world experiment? sd 8 elite phones have been released for weeks, and reviews show barely noticeable improvement in heavy gaming vs 8 gen 3 or dimensity 9400 phones, and that's main usage of these mobile cpu. well, unless you're the guy who buy the phone to run geekbench 8 hours a day.
TwelveSilverSwords@reddit (OP)
The -50% power reduction is comparing to the laptop chip (X Elite).
duy0699cat@reddit
...so why do i have to care about that number again?
TwelveSilverSwords@reddit (OP)
We were comparing Oryon Gen 1 and Oryon Gen 2 cores. That's why that number is important.
TwelveSilverSwords@reddit (OP)
Aka 2x the performance per watt compared to Oryon V1.
Fact.
Tested by Geekerwan.
SherbertExisting3509@reddit
Impressive. Wonder how Panther Lake will hold up against it considering that Cougar Cove is an improvement of Lion Cove. it might also have Darkmont e cores.
DerpSenpai@reddit
Panther Lake AFAIK is still the same E cores but improvement on P cores. They need it to keep competitive vs Qualcomm and Nvidia CPU wise
TwelveSilverSwords@reddit (OP)
After the disastrous hype train with X Elite Gen 1, I am not buying into X Elite Gen 2 hype.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
TwelveSilverSwords@reddit (OP)
TLDR:
And...
That's good. X Elite was announced in 2023 October, but devices shipped around 2024 Computex.
I expect devices with X Elite Gen 2 will land around 2026 CES.
RealisticMost@reddit
Isn‘t Qualcomm usually fast with announcing and shipping in the Smartphone world?
DerpSenpai@reddit
Yes, announced in October, Chinese OEMs have devices selling in November with reviewers having devices on the day of announcement.
The mainstream OEMs take more time
glitchgradients@reddit
Nah, because Samsung actually likes releasing their flagships at the same time globally for everyone.
Meanwhile Xiaomi and BBK takes months for their global release to actually be announced.
TwelveSilverSwords@reddit (OP)
Non-Chinese OEMs you mean?
Aren't Chinese OEMs such as Oppo, Vivo and Xiaomi considered "mainstream"? They all own a considerable slice of the smartphone pie.
signed7@reddit
Probably they're moving to a schedule where the 8 Elite and X Elite series will launch together along with new gen cores annually then?
DerpSenpai@reddit
We only are certain for gen 2. Dell leaks says that gen 3 might have a different cadence (mid 2027 AFAIK)
TwelveSilverSwords@reddit (OP)
I would urge you to discard that Dell leak. It's clearly false/outdated. That same Dell leak said X Elite Gen 2 in mid 2025, which is clearly wrong, is it not?
DerpSenpai@reddit
The leak said Gen 2 was H2 2025 with Dell shipping their product at CES
RegularCircumstances@reddit
I told you there was a good chance they’d use v3 cores. Yes, laptop cadences are slower, but the most likely explanation for early X Elite Gen 2 testing was that they already have Oryon V3 done.
Apophis22@reddit
Hmm. So they are again teasering a product we won’t see until a year and few months from now. While the charts seem cool and promising now - every competitor will prolly have at least 1 newer gen of processors out until then and the charts will look less exciting at that time.
DerpSenpai@reddit
They are not teasing anything. Intel has given info about Lake too, it's part of their job at Investor day to talk about future products, at least vaguely
TwelveSilverSwords@reddit (OP)
If anything, Qualcomm is being much more vague than Intel.
DerpSenpai@reddit
I think we will see some early birds just like we see in the android world but the bulk of devices will come at CES
Famous_Wolverine3203@reddit
I assume the successor to Oryon V2 will be Oryon V3. So not sure what info this headline is sharing?
TwelveSilverSwords@reddit (OP)
Basically it confirms that X Elite Gen 2 will use Oryon V3, not Oryon V2.
Famous_Wolverine3203@reddit
Isn’t gen 1 already using V2? I thought the 6% improved IPC meant that 8 Elite is using v2. Or am I horribly wrong?
TwelveSilverSwords@reddit (OP)
Oryon Gen 1
- Snapdragon X Elite/X Plus.
Oryon Gen 2
- Snapdragon 8 Elite.
- Snapdragon Ride Elite.
- Snapdragon Cockpit Elite.
Oryon Gen 3
- Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 2.
- Snapdragon X Elite Gen 2.
Famous_Wolverine3203@reddit
Then I’m still confused as to what the article is trying to say. Its pretty obvious v3 succeeds v2.
DerpSenpai@reddit
Due to Windows PCs cadence, it was speculated that PC chips could have Oryon v2 and not 3
Large_Armadillo@reddit
Where are the desktop chips? Intel is done.
Vollgaser@reddit
Thats to be expected. Oryon V2 is not really a new architecture. It is Oryon with slightly adjusted internal sizes on N3E. As far as i know V2 just has a int scheduler and ROB buffer, smaller float scheduler and with slighly reduced l1 instruction cache.
int scheduler: 120 -> 157
float scheduler: 192 -> 209
ROB: 650 -> 679
instruction cache: 192 -> 128
These changes arent really enough to make much of a difference. Most of it probably comes from tsmc as i dont think that these changes to the architecture would make a big difference to the performance of the core.
TwelveSilverSwords@reddit (OP)
Also the data cache size increased from 96 KB to 128 KB.
But that's comparing thr big cores of Oryon Gen 1 and Oryon Gen 2.
Oryon Gen 2 introduced a small core, which is a brand new microarchitecture.
Vollgaser@reddit
Yeah Oryon-M seems to be the start of the show here. The performance per area of it is pretty insane. The question for me here is how much of Oryon V2 efficiency is from tsmc N3E. The efficency difference between the X elite and the 8 elite is pretty big. But with how little the architecture changed just how much of it is just tsmc. If we assume that most of it is from N3E then N3E is a lot better than i thought. reducing power by 50% from N4P to N3E is insane. But it is really hard to know how much of it is architecturally and how much is from the manufacturing process. I just cant really imagine these small changes having that big of an impact. But im not a chip architect so i cant really say anything for certain.
TwelveSilverSwords@reddit (OP)
That 50% power reduction is certainly not entirely due to N3E. It is impossible for N3E to deliver such a huge improvement.
So that means majority of the power reduction is coming from microarchitectural changes and SoC level changes. Indeed, the Qualcomm CPU architect came on stage during the Snapdragon Summit 2025, and said that "Oryon Gen 2 was redesigned from the ground up for mobile".
battler624@reddit
Still stuck on V8 probably.