7900XTX or 4080 Super?
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I'm currently on a 1070 & R5 1600X, and have decided I need an upgrade. Main goal would be 1440p@240, and after looking at benchmarks I've come to believe the 7900XTX would suit that best. I do not care about ray-tracing or upscaling, that's the main reeasoning behind it.
Is there anything else I'd need to consider like drivers for example (AMD used to have shitty ones, don't know if that's still the case) or other selling points that I'm not aware of ?
Foreign_Truth1802@reddit
Idk if you will see that or others mentioned that in Q1 2025 both nvidia and amd releasing new gpus 5000 and amd 8000 series are coming so i would wait if i was you
Some1WorstThanU@reddit
Why not wait for the Blackwell and RDNA 4 gpus? AMD promises some rt and frame gen overhauls
JonyPro@reddit
Does the amount of VRAM matter? I'm in the same boat as OP but I mostly do 4k 60fps (max my monitor can do) single player games. 24 GB compared to 16 GB.
QIyph@reddit (OP)
people keep saying it doesn't really matter right now, but may matter in the future. also have you tried 144hz ? Cause I feel like once you go there you can't go back, it's soooooo much smoother, 60hz feels sluggish afterwards
Hairy-Dare6686@reddit
The 1600X will bottleneck either GPUs, upgrade to a 5700X3D first and then decide what your budget for a GPU is.
QIyph@reddit (OP)
im getting a 7800x3d
Weepinbellend01@reddit
4080 Super. Money doesn’t seem to be an issue to you lmao. Just get safer option.
QIyph@reddit (OP)
if money wouldn't be a consideration, I'd get a 4090, like yeah i don't mind spending a fuck-ton, but I'd also like to justify that with at least some shred of logic
Weepinbellend01@reddit
Oh fair. You genuinely can’t go wrong with either option. If you play single player games, you might wanna use Raytracing in the future so get 4080 Super. If you play more multiplayer stuff then pure performance is better for you so get 7900XTX.
They’re both ridiculously strong cards though. You’ll be fine either ways. The 40 series uses less power if that could be something you care about. Better for smaller form factors. I got myself a 4070 super and 7800X3D in a Mini ITX case so it’s ridiculously easy to cool.
QIyph@reddit (OP)
might be easier to cool, but I'm actually limited to a 3-slot card cuz of the goofy ass case I bought, and there seems to be less of those (if #ny) for the 4080
Vltor_@reddit
What case did you go with ?
QIyph@reddit (OP)
corsair 2000D don't shame me I know it's bad
liberalhellhole@reddit
Did you get it in a sale? If not, why didn't you get a normal case?
QIyph@reddit (OP)
picture looked cool
FinasCupil@reddit
“picture looked cool” with your profile pic has me giggling
James_Bondage0069@reddit
real
PCBName@reddit
lol the two sides of every pc build: doing a ton of research/ asking around of forum comparing minute differences in specs vs buying it cause it looks cool.
Juno_1010@reddit
Me. On everything. Always a last minute, "Ahhh I'll go with the one with a bit more style, it just has a certain, ... Je ne sais quois?"
QIyph@reddit (OP)
come on it's a metal box, how much can it actually impact?
PCBName@reddit
famous last words!
liberalhellhole@reddit
Fair enough
Vltor_@reddit
That is indeed a goofy ass case 🤣
But no need to feel ashamed about it ! I bought The Hyte Y60 and stuck a 7900XTX in it eventhough I knew it had a tendency to cook thicker GPUs and guess what ? Yeah, my 7900XTX gets pretty darn toasty (in my defense though: the 7900XTX I got is 3mm slimmer than hyte’s recommended max thickness + at the time, most reviews said it was one of the better cooling 7900XTXs) >.<
Pushfastr@reddit
I have the montech k95, and it seems the bottom airflow makes a big difference.
Vltor_@reddit
I’ve got 2x 140mm right beneath my GPU, but it doesn’t really matter since the reason the Y60 cooks thick GPUs isn’t a lack of fans, but because its vertical mount only (atleast if you don’t want to mod the case) and it mounts the card so close to the glass side panel that thick cards simply don’t have enough room to breathe.
There is a few workarounds, some requires spending more money and some require modding the case. Personally I’m planning on going the mod route as I don’t like the way the other solutions look, I just haven’t been able to get around to actually doing it >.<
fireinthesky7@reddit
The ASUS Proart is your best option, it's the card of choice for SFF builds.
TheMooseontheLoose@reddit
The MSI Shadow 4080S is a no-joke 2-slot card, it's also cheaper than most other models usually.
nikilization@reddit
The 4080 draws a lot less power than the 7900xtx, fyi
moguy1973@reddit
4080 is a 320w card while the 7900xtx is a 355w card. Not that much difference.
nikilization@reddit
There is much bigger difference in actual use compared to tdp
Affectionate-Memory4@reddit
I have both on testbenches right now for arrow lake testing. 4080 usually sits around 300-330W. 7900XTX fluctuates between 320 and 360W. The biggest difference I've seen in games was 48W, but the XTX was also about 10% faster. When frame rate capped, the 4080 seems to pull about 8% less power, or \~22W on average.
Falkenmond79@reddit
Try undervolting or even just a simple power limit. I found that If I only out my 4080 on 77% power limit, after some testing, it stays below 260W while losing about 1-2% performance. With undervolting I gained that back and then some. Only slight mind you. Have no patience for hours of testing.
Affectionate-Memory4@reddit
In my experience that is workload dependent. In gaming, both of these GPUs can afford to dip down to ~80% power without losing anything. But in certain compute workloads where everything is maxed out, I've seen the 4080 Super on my testbench actually need that 300W mark. That 7900XTX is run with a 320W limit in my usual rig, and the 4080S is going in my brother's rig this Christmas.
The best undervolting card I've found so far is the 4060. I genuinely think there was room in the product stack for a slot-powered 4050 8GB card as the 4060 is still pretty decent when cut from 115 to 75W.
Falkenmond79@reddit
Ah. My Bad. Forgot not everyone is using the cards for gaming. Have myself dabbled in stable diffusion, but that one is more vram intensive it seems.
And yeah, friend of mine has the 4060. It’s insane what that card can produce at such low power draw. Often forgotten advantag. In fact, I calculated pretty closely early on. Got my 4080 for around 1050€ back then, and the xtx was at about 950€ at the same time.
The kWh at my place costs me around 0,4-0,5 €, unless the sun is shining. 😂 so the power draw difference was important. Also I factored in a cheaper PSU, which saved me around 50€. Together with a 7800x3d there really was no need to throw 850 or a 1000W at the thing. 750 with decent efficiency does nicely. Measured at the socket I usually don’t even break 400. And as long as the rails are fine, so is the PSU.
All in all I calculated less then a year to make up the difference in price back then, while lightly using the pc for about 3hr each day, which is on the conservative side for me.
But back to the 4060.. I often wonder why they didn’t go with a low power version. I would have understood if the card was close to the lower limit, but it obviously isn’t. You could even today gimp it to use less then 74W. If there was a way to ensure that it won’t spike over it and trip the PSU, that would be awesome.
Then again, most modern day PSUs come with the PCIe cable anyway, so why not use it. I think only in the most cramped of SFF builds or servers that would make sense.
Though I would wish for a true low profile version. Ideally with passive cooling. Should have easily been possible and I wonder why they never made one.
You could get a LOT of gaming PC in a case the size of a NUC for example, with a card like that.
The only possible reason I can imagine is features. A RTX 4050 would have to be at least somewhat capable of RT and everything the bigger cards offer. That would be stretching it with such a gimped card.
Jordan_Jackson@reddit
I have a 7900 XTX and I have seen the card use up to 430 W power. It averages between 380-400 W.
aVarangian@reddit
The reference xtx runs at 355w, but power spikes are a thing. I've seen mine dreach over 420w iirc. But the average is close to 355.
HZ4C@reddit
I have the XTX and in full tilt it runs like 460w constant
aVarangian@reddit
duh. You can get it to 600w when overclocked
Jordan_Jackson@reddit
Yeah but how many people actually have the reference model vs 3rd party models? i have the XFX and it is usually between 380-400 watts with no OC or undervolt.
aVarangian@reddit
Your 380-400 has factory OC
vlad_0@reddit
Isn't the 4080 super much easier to undervolt as well?
Jordan_Jackson@reddit
No, it is very easy to undervolt the 7900 XTX and it can be done from within AMD Adrenaline. It is actually beneficial for these cards because that will let the card run at higher clocks (both memory and core) for far longer.
ticktocktoe@reddit
35w is not insignificant when you're comparing cards in the same ballpark.... I have a stack of lenovo tiny's (mini-pcs) in my homelab, and each one is drawing about 15w at idle, 30ish under load, 40ish for the ones equiped with a mellanox 10gbe cards.
So in short, thats a whole mini-pc of extra load.
Affectionate-Memory4@reddit
Ay fellow tiny pc stack haver! My bunch is a bit more eclectic with a couple HPs and Dells mixed into the bunch.
IAMA_Giraffe_AMA@reddit
The ASRock Phantom 7900 XTX is I think 2.8 slots tall if that helps your decision. I just ordered one to fit into a Lian Li A3
JimmyGodoppolo@reddit
Zotac 4080 Super trinity is 2.5 slots, as is the ASUS ProArt 4080S
Reddiohead@reddit
If you're gonna blow over a grand, you should just wait for the 5000 series. It's like 2 months away.
QIyph@reddit (OP)
yeah, but my 1070 is giving out, I've been getting more and more crashes recently
Reddiohead@reddit
Damn that sucks. Cuz you're spending current gen money now for something that'll be last-gen performance in a couple months. Especially since high-end NVIDIA cards are already such poor value in terms of FPS/$, last thing you want is to spend top dollar on a dated product.
What about getting a used stop gap? Or something like a new RX 6600? A cheaper card that's good value, still an upgrade for you, that you can re-sell and recoup some costs when you've seen what the 5000 series has to offer come Q1 2025.
QIyph@reddit (OP)
true enough, but last gen high-end isn't bad for a few years at least, plus I don't trust nvidia to release the 50 series at reasonable prices considering amd decided to not pursue high-end cards anymore...
Reddiohead@reddit
The 5090 price leaks are around 1900 USD, so comparable to the 4090 currently, and it's supposed to be way faster.
If you can't wait or be bothered with a stop-gap, go for it, but it's basically the worst possible timing to buy a 4080/4090 right now. $1000-2000 of FPS today will be achievable for like $600-1200 in January.
beruegh@reddit
With current Black Friday sales, does that legitimize getting something like a 4080 Super right now if it's in that range? I made a build help post I could use some feedback on, if you don't mind looking. I have the budget for it, and I need it for work, but I feel like I might be over doing it.
Dumb_woodworker_md@reddit
The price leaks I’ve seen are like $1900-$2500. NVIDIA has no reason to lower the price. They will sell out no matter what.
aVarangian@reddit
Maybe the OC just got unstable. Try lowering clocks a bit.
QIyph@reddit (OP)
literally not overclocked either, it's spitting video tdr error bluescreens when under load
aVarangian@reddit
I once accidentally put the vram clock 10x higher than I intended and it instantly bluescreened
Try playing with it, at least it might work until replaced
Sea_Seaworthiness189@reddit
Get a 4080 super because
KujiraShiro@reddit
OP, I've run a 7800X3D build with a GTX 1080, a 7900XTX, and a 4090. I have a friend who has 7800X3D with a 4080.
I have direct experience with all of the builds you are considering and then some.
I upgraded my old system to the 7800X3D and 7900XTX at the same time my friend did his 4080 build. I was severely disappointed in Ray Tracing and AI performance compared to my friends 4080.
I refunded my 7900XTX, used my 1080 for a couple months, and then got a 4090. I spent a lot more money on a graphics card than I should have, a 4090 is not a good deal, but I do not regret it.
If you're even thinking of turning on Ray Tracing, the 4080 makes the 7900XTX look downright bad and outdated in comparison. The 4090 effortlessly does at 4K what the 4080 does at 1440p.
If you're going for 4K, do the 4090. 1440p, go for the 4080. AMD is way too behind in the GPU market to seriously consider one of their GPUs going into a genuinely high end build where you don't want to compromise.
Unless the 7900XTX is $200 cheaper than the 4080 super, there is quite literally no reason to choose the 7900XTX. People will tell you the raster performance is just as good; it is comparable, sure, might even beat it in some cases thanks to the extra VRAM. Its still simply not worth it to get the 7900XTX if the 4080 super is a similar price.
Islaytomuch1@reddit
The software is really that impressive, the xtx and 4090 are both 24 GB cards, but the price and performance difference is crazy.
The 4080 super is slightly better, because of the software.
Iron-Ham@reddit
And if you’re on Linux — or ever want to consider it — go AMD so you can use your PC as a console of you’d like. GameScope doesn’t work well on Nvidia GPUs.
meTomi@reddit
you can use amd setup as console? TIL
Jordan_Jackson@reddit
There are a few distros that are geared towards gaming and make everything simple and painless. Then you can have Steam start in big picture mode and even have that be what you boot into. Big Picture mode has come a long way and is very usable.
Lastly, you don't have to worry about installing graphics drivers with an AMD GPU, as they are kernel modules.
Nvidia can be a pain to get working correctly. Sometimes you even have to set certain boot parameters to even get the initial boot medium screen to show up and then once installed, activate the correct repositories and install the drivers from there. It is easier than it used to be a few years back but still can be a royal pain.
Iron-Ham@reddit
Bazzite is a gaming focused distribution of Linux that has an HTPC version. The HTPC version is essentially an identical experience to a Steam Deck: it boots into Steam GamepadUI, and so on. It only reliably works with AMD GPUs.
I have mine setup to wake from sleep whenever I touch the controller by using an old Xbox USB dongle with my Xbox Elite 2 controller.
beirch@reddit
In that case I would get a 7900XTX if it's more than $150 cheaper than a 4080S and you don't care about RT. I personally don't think the difference between DLSS and FSR is big enough to base my purchase on it, but if you prefer DLSS then that might be a consideration for you.
NMSky301@reddit
If you’re looking at 4k eventually or it might even be remotely an option get a 4090. I was at 1440p for a couple years and got the itch for 4k after upgrading my gpu and getting much higher frames. Decided to pull the trigger on a 4090 and don’t regret it. I’m not sweating at all about the 50 series, and my gpu will last me for years if I want it to.
That being said, the 4080 super is a great card too. Frame generation is a game changer (literally), and it works very, very well in games that support it. DLSS and FG will extend the lives of these cards over the pure rasterization that AMD cards offer, imo.
QIyph@reddit (OP)
dude 4090s are 2200 euro minimum over here, hell nah that's a 40% markup that I am not paying
MCFRESH01@reddit
4080 super is fine for 4k
specialrice@reddit
You don’t neeeeed a 4090 for 4k. I have a 7800xt and I game regularly at 4k (satisfactory, overwatch, anno/CS) with FSR and some settings turned down a bit depending on game.
Of course if you want max settings/fps for everything then a 4090 is your only option. But if you were going for top then you’d want to wait for to 50xx series.
NMSky301@reddit
Ah i see. Yeah in that case it’s definitely not worth it over a 4080 super. I’d go with the 4080s if I were you.
Tatanka54@reddit
I'm on 1440p. Collecting opinions on 4K.
Was it as striking as the upgrade from 1080p? Would you say it was worth it?
SilverKnightOfMagic@reddit
Probably should AMD. Nvidia is wasted of us purely for gaming
Withinmyrange@reddit
AMD isnt the riskier option either. Both are fine
olemracc@reddit
I run a gigabyte 4080 super windforce V2 with my 7800X3D and I am absolutely happy with it. I upgraded from a 3080ti and even that was a noticeable upgrade.
Merman5000@reddit
If you are going to spend 900 on a gpu, what's another 100. Go for the 4080. Nvidia dominates in popularity. If devs had limited time and budget, they will optimize for the largest population first.
hadowajp@reddit
I would think this only holds true for games not on console.
neoikon@reddit
Why not 9800x3d?
QIyph@reddit (OP)
no stock
Merrick222@reddit
9800X3D is only $20more in USA.
QIyph@reddit (OP)
sold out everywhere for a reasonable price, current difference is ~400€ or almost twice the price from what I've seen
Mountain_Classic_907@reddit
They continue to pop up when people cancel their order on newegg and amazon. Go to hotstock.io and watch for it there. You'll need to refresh every once in a while. It'll pop up a couple times a day. I got it just a couple days ago.
Merrick222@reddit
Then don’t get it.
Dr_MB_@reddit
Maybe try 9800x3d if you can get your hands on it and 7900xtx, that would be my choice, only lack is if you are really into RT
ywgflyer@reddit
You will need a new motherboard and RAM, then -- the 1600X is socket AM4, and the 7800X3D is AM5 and requires DDR5.
At this point you're basically 3/4 of the way to a full new rig, not just an upgrade.
QIyph@reddit (OP)
all of that is in my case already, just deciding about the gpu now and waiting for the cpu to arrive
StevenIsFat@reddit
I literally just built a 7300X3D with a 4080 SUPER.
Brother I promise you when I say you won't regret it. I'm in love. MS2042 plays awesome on it. Way smoother than I thought when I was checking out the requirements.
MysticSpoon@reddit
I also did the same and it’s been a beast
QIyph@reddit (OP)
7300X3D ? MS2042 ? what parallel reality have you come from ? Do you guys still have sandwiches ?
StevenIsFat@reddit
Sorry, too many things at once this morning... I fixed it lmaoooo
Nxtxxx4@reddit
You can get the 9800x3d for about $50 more depending where you go.The 7800 price has significantly went up it just a few months ago
QIyph@reddit (OP)
dude the only 9800x3d I found was on aliexpress for 950 euro
Nxtxxx4@reddit
Oop I’m just lucky. Micro center has them $479 and the 7800 is $450.And the have Bella stock and can bundle with ram and motherboard
StevenIsFat@reddit
Hey
StevenIsFat@reddit
I just built a 7800X3D with a 4080 SUPER! Im in love.
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KIVA_12@reddit
I’m not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but nvidia GPUs are great for AI applications. Like stable diffusion, FYI if it’s something your interested in since AMD support is limited or nonexistent.
Juno_1010@reddit
Don't worry bud, we've all fallen into that honey trap.
seajay860@reddit
4080 siper
achentuate@reddit
Reading your post and comment replies. First of all, get the 9800x3d. Newegg has them in stock if you pair a motherboard with it and get the combo. It’s what I did. Got an x870 mobo and 9800x3d for $720. Saved 20 bucks overall VS buying them separately and they are in stock.
Second, wait for the 5xx series from Nvidia. You could just buy a cheap used 3xx GPU for now if you need something for a few months. Unless input lag matters to you, if you’re only going to be playing single player games for the next 4 months, you could also just get a GeForce now subscription. I would not buy a 4xx card right now. The 5xx is sooo close and supposedly way better, and it will tank the prices of 4xx cards. Imagine it’s March and you see 5080s achieving 40% more fps for the same price. You’ll regret it IMO.
QIyph@reddit (OP)
no 9800x3d in europe at a reasonable price unfortunately, also my card is dying, that's why I'm upgrading at this shitty time
Lucky-Tell4193@reddit
I have them both a14700k w/ 4080 super and a 7800x3d w/7900 xtx can’t really tell the difference but I have 59 year old eyes and when the 50s come out I will buy one not sure why but I have brain tumors and liver cancer so I have no reason to save money
QIyph@reddit (OP)
that's... sad. I'm sorry man
AvocadoMaleficent410@reddit
DLSS is visually better for me, so i will go with Nvidia.
DogeTiger2021@reddit
I recommend you the 7900xtx. I had a similar debate and issue when I wanted to build my new pc. At the end I opted for the 7900xt because it was much cheaper. In terms of drivers everything is working perfectly. I didn't have any problems installing them. And if you have a monitor that supports FreeSync it's even better.
If you need more information look at this YouTube channel.
https://youtu.be/tASFjV1ng28?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/JavH-sPm1Es?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/5ShrIHzsKkA?feature=shared
Jon-Slow@reddit
This is terrible advice linking a pretty much AMD fan channel who routinely puts out misinformation.
And even if you have an allergic reaction to RT and want to turn it fully off, you can't anymore. lots of new games exist that do not have a full raster fall back. Case in point Silent Hill 2, Starwars Outlaws, Avatar FOP, Alan Wake 2,... There will be more and more of these games from now on and the 7900XTX is significantly slower in those games even with "RT off" which still leaves RT on in game.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/silent-hill-2-fps-performance-benchmark/5.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/star-wars-outlaws-fps-performance-benchmark/5.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/avatar-fop-performance-benchmark/5.html
You can't say you don't care about upscalers because now almost all games come with forced TAA, so being locked into FSR or TAA is just bad advice again. Both DLSS upscaler and DLSSFG are better than FSR, and more importantly get regular updates and are upgradable and tweakable manually by the user. Even when FSR does get updates, devs rarely go back and implement it.
All of that and not to mention the much more efficient power consumption, the better resale value, any future ai uses one might have, any possible cuda uses one might have,...
DogeTiger2021@reddit
Power consumption Nvidia 5090 ( Hold my beer 🍺) over 600w and very hot.
Jon-Slow@reddit
the TDP is not what you measure efficiency by. The 4090 is incredibly efficient, I'm sure the 5090 will be as well. TDP is only a matter of how many frames are you going to be wanting to be pushing.
The efficiency I can get in any modern game with a 4080 with any relative framecap is half with a 4080s or 4090 than it is with a 7900XTX or the 7900XT
LefthandedKangaroo@reddit
When i let my XTX run free it takes the 355W in Cyberpunk. When i cap the FPS its at around 180W. You sure the 40s are at half of that?
DogeTiger2021@reddit
I also cap my fps at the max refresh rate of the monitor. This way, I avoid screen tearing
_Metal_Face_Villain_@reddit
bro stop, ancient gameplays does cover amd related stuff but he isn't biased and is a good channel. this is also from techpowerup https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7900-xtx.c3941 showing that in general the 7900xtx has the same performance as the 4080s. i agree that dlaa and dlss are better but in the end it comes to the price difference between the two. does for example a slightly better upscaling in 4k really worth 200$ more? i also agree that nvidia takes ages to implement their stuff too but again to me the choice always depends on how much cheaper you can find the xtx and your budget and needs.
Jon-Slow@reddit
you're free to believe what you believe and if you believe an AMD fan youtuber then of course you think what you've linked has any bearing. regardless of the fact that what you've linked is based on raster performance, is within the margins of error, is dated, and also ignores everything I mentioned about the new games that do not have a way to turn RT off and the XTX card falls significantly behind. So many modern games now are going to be like that with the ps4 retired.
also you're evand if you think dlss/dlaa is only slightly better. 200$ price difference ( which is actually more like 100-150$) in a +2k$ budget is 100% worth it for so many more advantages.
_Metal_Face_Villain_@reddit
dlss is better but the big difference is at lower rez, not at 4k and the 7900xtx is a 4k card. i went and checked prices and ofc they range from all sorts of prices between 100-200+ depending on the card. when i checked for the gigabyte gaming oc for both cards, the difference was 200$. with 200 you can get a decent 1440p monitor or you can put it to cover half the costs of a decent 4k monitor, so the impact on your budget isn't as small as you are trynna make it seem. as for what i linked, it's from techpowerup, just like you did, i don't see how one game under very specific conditions has more merit than the card tested in a large number of games. games with baked in rt are like 3-5 total, that's a very small number to indicate anything, although i'm sure that there will be more games with baked rt in the future, how many and how demanding they will be, we don't know, that's just wild speculations on your part. if we go by how many have been out there throughout the whole existence of rt and how hard to run rt is and how few people run rt, i'd speculate there won't be as many as you think. another worrisome thing about those type of games is that they require a lot of vram to play them with full rt on, sometimes very close to 16gb or more in 4k, as shown by hardware unboxed testing on vram. i think the fact that current games already struggle with not having enough vram is a much greater indication of a problem than the baked in rt. this again makes the choice not as easy as you wanna present it when it comes to future-proofing. as for the ps4, i think that's irrelevant, cuz yes the ps4 is going away but the ps5 is still there and since it's working with a weaker amd card, i'm sure that consoles games coming to pc will still be perfectly playable with the 7900xtx. i personally don't have a team on this, i'm trynna make my arguments with facts and logic and educated guesses. nothing i said is about how one card is the best and the other sucks, i was pretty fair to the advantages and disadvantages of both cards. all i'm saying is to help people make informed decisions and not get blinded by marketing. at the end of the day the story remains the same, your choice has to do with the price difference, your needs and your budget. saying just get the nvidia one no matter what is very silly and fanboy-ish.
windowpuncher@reddit
Which is realistically like 90% of monitors now
jsulli415@reddit
So I'm curious to hear about what you do, I just built my first PC in about 12+ years so I'm relatively "new"to all this again but, I personally went the AMD route and did a 9800x3D paired with the 7900xt and so far I'm absolutely loving it, Im running 1440 with absolutely no issues whatsoever, no issues installing any driver and everything went pretty smoothly. But please keep us updated cause again I'm super curious to what you do, feel free to ask any questions if you have any.
keksmuzh@reddit
The RDNA3 platform is mature enough that drivers are generally good now. 4080 Super is going to be better in RT workloads, but unless you’re playing almost exclusively RT games where Nvidia’s advantage is big (which really depends on the specific game), go for the XTX.
difused_shade@reddit
7900XTX owner here:
Drivers still shit. Power consumption in idle still stupidly high when the second monitor is on. PCVR still horrid. There are still stutters and random crashes o DX11 games. Driver updates sometimes breaks chromium browsers and I have to either roll back or disable hardware acceleration. Fallout 3 and new Vegas crashed on newest drivers for almost a year and I had to rollback to a 2023 driver or not play it.
I bought into the Reddit bait of “AMD having driver issues is so 10 years ago, were in 2022” never fucking again.
difused_shade@reddit
Really no contest, the 4080 was a better card even costing $200 more, now that the price is similar I would buy the 4080 all day. I own a 7900XTX and I wouldn’t go as far to say there isn’t a day I don’t regret the purchase, but I can affirm with confidence that there isn’t a month where I didn’t regret that purchase.
HempParty@reddit
I'll always choose Nvidia because as others have said a more complete feature set. It's looking like there's no future in native rendering, everything is going to require upscaling and frame gen to get a decent frame rate and Nvidias solutions are better.
Fafyg@reddit
I heard such stories from RTX 2080 release. Where is it now for RT experience?
It is a matter of budget and personal choice right now. By the time when RT will be mandatory everywhere, every current card will be obsolete anyways. Also, preaching “always buy %brandname%” isn’t really good long term strategy. Current prices for graphics cards are ridiculous mostly because NVidia can put almost any price and they still will sell
ThatGingerGuy69@reddit
The guy is talking about upscaling and frame gen, not RTX 😂
Also either way, we’re already starting to see some games implement ray tracing regardless of settings. So yeah it’ll be a while before it’s completely ubiquitous, but it’s already starting to be required for some new games
Fafyg@reddit
AMD has FSR (3.1 with frame gen) and it is mostly decent after few patches, however implementation is lagging behind DLSS. But cards of this level don’t really need upscaling and frame gen outside of RT. There is pretty much enough power for classic rendering in both of them, with exception of few some really poorly optimized games. They might have issue with CPU as well, like Dragon’s Dogma 28. For RT these solutions are inevitable, but throwing money onto poorly optimized games is not the best strategy, as devs will make excuses (Already hear “Just use upscaling!”) instead of optimizations.
It doesn’t mean that I think that 7900XTX is a better choice over 4080 Super, as they priced similarly and Nvidia in this case might be more attractive for these additional features (for occasional RT it will be better). What I’m saying - we need to properly assess what they offer and is it worth price difference or not, not just “I’m picking brand1 over brand2”
EscapeParticular8743@reddit
OP wants 240hz @1440p. On modern titles, he will absolutely benefit from the better upscaling and framegen tech.
Fafyg@reddit
I’m not exactly sure how framegen works. Will it work in CPU-bound scenarios? Genuine question.
Because most modern AAA titles will be limited by CPU in this case (there are some CPU tests in 1080p with 4090 and many games don’t get 200+ FPS even with newest 9800x3d)
GrayDaysGoAway@reddit
You've got it backwards. GPUs are the bottleneck currently, not CPUs. There are videos showing the 7800X3D putting out virtually identical framerates to the 9800X3D at 1440p, despite the 9800X3D being about 10-15% faster.
Fafyg@reddit
You can lower it to 1080p (or maybe even 720p) to reduce load to GPU and emulate future 5080 for example and you still won’t get 200+ fps. There are ton of tests from Hardware Unboxed or Gamers Nexus. But anyways, 240Hz is kinda impossible for AAA without lowering settings significantly (or maybe using framegen, not sure). For competitive games framegen is not needed (they’re pretty fast and don’t require high end gpu) and even harmful
GrayDaysGoAway@reddit
But we're not talking about 1080p or lower here. OP specified they want to play at 1440p. At that resolution and 4K the GPU is very much the bottleneck.
Fafyg@reddit
So, there are 2 possible options: 1. Both of these GPUs are not enough for 1440p@240Hz for AAA games. GeForce might be better because of DLSS/Framegen or slightly worse if not turn them on. 2. Both of them are enough for competitive games and there is no need (or actually more harm) from upscaling and Radeon might be better here (because usually faster in classic rendering).
So we need to ask OP what games he/she usually playing.
Back in 2021 I would definitely prefer 3080 over 6800XT, but it was almost impossible to buy one so I had to settle with Radeon. It works pretty nice except RT - it is definitely weaker there and FPS is not pleasant in many titles (especially on release). Didn’t feel need to turn on upscaling, but I’m usually pretty fine if FPS is around 70-90 for heavy games
EscapeParticular8743@reddit
Works in both GPU and CPU bound scenarios.
And no, modern games at 1440p arent majority CPU bound. And yes, I know that not even a 4090/9800x3d can run every modern game at 240fps. It doesnt matter though, because OPs goal is high refresh rate gaming and if that is your goal, then you will need a beefy GPU and CPU to maximize the chance of getting there anyway, while leaning on upscaling + framegen tech.
With all of this in mind, it the 7900xtx doesnt make sense. Not only is FSR worse, but its also less frequently implemented in its newer versions than DLSS, so you get to use it less.
ParticleDecelerate@reddit
Current AMD cards do not have an equivalent to nvidias tensor cores thus they suck at AI upscaling. I think that alone should disqualify them from anyone wanting to future proof. Upscaling techniques will keep your card relevant for a few extra years.
Fafyg@reddit
Did you hear about FSR?
ParticleDecelerate@reddit
Yeah and it sucks hard compared to DLSS. Did you hear about Tensor cores? AMD has no specialized cores to enable efficient AI upscaling (that’s DLSS or FSR). Call me when UDNA drops in 2026
EirHc@reddit
Mandatory seems like such a subjective term here. Do you have a 4k monitor? It's basically already mandatory if you do. Current benchmark games do not hit acceptable framerates in 4k unless it's upscaled even on a 4090.
wikkwikk@reddit
For more money and less performance? No. Seriously, for frame gen and upscaling, there is not much difference. DLSS is not really better than amd one and amd has FSR and RSR. The really meaningful benefits of Nvidia is the API for things like AI. Other than that, Amd has better value.
Dr_MB_@reddit
Im doubtfull 16GB on the super would do any futureproofing. So why be concerned with all that tech in the future if the VRAM wont hold up anyways.
dafulsada@reddit
same for G sync years ago, not it's te same.
canonlypray@reddit
Nope.
meTomi@reddit
had a 3060, tried frame gen in Satisfactory 2k res. Frames almost doubled but the mouse input was like lagging behind, very strange feeling you might get used to it in offline games but had to turn it off imediately. Rocking a 7800xt now
Any-Skill-5128@reddit
I believe if your base frame rate is low then you will feel it , if your close to 60 or more the better it feels
Arlcas@reddit
Yes frame generation as it is now is mostly about getting high refresh monitor fps easier not for getting basic 60 fps.
meTomi@reddit
its a 164hz 2k monitor, i just dont like it how its behaving in satisfactory. dlss is fine, 75%scaling is the bare minimum tho under it it looks shit in 2k
meTomi@reddit
I went from 65-80 to 110-135 but it felt much worse, but i am used to high pace fps games. I guess on console like games it should be fine but for me personally it did not work out in that particular game
_Metal_Face_Villain_@reddit
same raster performance for around 300$ less, that's a pretty good reason to go for the xtx, especially since the op said he will use it for 1440p, which with such a powerful card, won't need a lot of upscaling most times if any at all. i also always picked nvidia when the price was close enough, from 50 to 100$ difference but nowadays amd is forced to significantly drop the prices and the nvidia ones have stayed the same, so it's not an easy choice between the two anymore.
fuckandstufff@reddit
The 7900xtx is a much better choice. Idc what anyone says paying $200-$300 for better ray tracing is mentally challenged. If they were the same price, then I could understand going with the better features, but RT isn't worth the extra money.
PrestigiousCredit906@reddit
Ive had nvidia and amd over the years and only used ray tracing a few times because the performance hit was never really worth it imo. I ended up with a XTX
FruitLoops_43@reddit
7900xtx
GearGolemTMF@reddit
4080s will hold its value better than the XTX if you decide to sell it later. 4080s is also better for more than just gaming obviously assuming you use said features/use cases/use your PC to make money. For 1440p 240 either one would work. If you don't care about RT/DLSS just go XTX. Its overkill for 1440p, but so was my 6950 XT. Its more than you need which should get you to 240 in the games that benefit from it.
AMD drivers have been fine for me for years. They were bad during RDNA1 (2019) but my issues ended in December of that year everyone else seemed to have their issues fixed in early - mid 2020. RDNA3 had some issues in the early days where they were getting the majority of the driver fixes but afaik, they've been solid for at least a year now.
nicofromspace@reddit
You’ll never regret getting an Nvidia card
Navy8or@reddit
I’ve picked up a Sapphire 7900 XTX Nitro a month ago and have been super pleased with it.
Anecdotal story, I originally got a 3090 that I got used and was having issues with so I’m sending it to a GPU repair guy that has really great reviews. In communication with him he said the 7900 XTX is the best card on the market in his opinion (if you use the provided support brace, it’s a heavy card). My guess would be that’s based on how many GPUs of every type he sees come across his business.
I have no experience with 4000 series cards, but I can at least say I’m very happy with my XTX.
AAMust@reddit
Amd gang
pwnknight@reddit
4080 super for sure. If your buying high end nvda is still the better option.
Lucky-Tell4193@reddit
I never up graded always built a new rig sell it give it away or at one time I had 4 decent gaming rigs on a network for friends could come over and LAN party but now I have a sim rig and a desktop setup for everything else
Pyran@reddit
Caveat: the plural of "anecdote" is not "data". This is my own experience, research, etc. YMMV.
I went with a 4080 super and I run 1440p@whatever-it-renders-at . (I don't target a framerate; I target smoothness. I don't worry about FPS until it's choppy to my eye, though that seems to be below about 80-100 for me. When it gets choppy, then I worry.) I don't regret my choice at all.
Here are several thoughts from my experience, in no particular order.
My Build:
Sh0wTim3123@reddit
i got a 7900xtx an im NOT disappointed at all
shymenJESUS@reddit
yes yes and yes
EirHc@reddit
What do you mean you don't care about upscaling?
Pretty much all the new games use it, and depending on certain system setups and the game, it's basically mandatory in a lot of cases. Like there's a few benchmark games out now that won't run natively in 4k on a 4090 unless you upscale. And you really can't see the difference if you use quality mode on an Nvidia GPU.
Additionally, it's a free performance boost. Who wouldn't want to go from 45FPS to 75FPS in a game by checking a box without sacrificing your graphics quality level???
Like AMD does have the better price to performance in raw raster performance, but upscaling is everywhere now and it's not going away, and Nvidia wins when you consider upscaling and framegen. Not just in performance, but quality too. AMD NEEDS FSR to compete. If you end up playing any demanding games, you will have upscaling enabled, and you'll realize you should have cared a little more about upscaling.
AccomplishedCash2841@reddit
I'm a month into my upgrade to a 5700x3d with a 7900xtx, run two 1440p 180hz monitors on it, I play everything on native with the ultra presets everything looks good and runs smooth card hasn't gotten above 70 degrees, xfx merc I got on a newegg flash deal is a little loud in the rage preset, but if you use a headset like me for speakers can't hear it
Lion12341@reddit
XTX performs slightly better and is cheaper.
kobexx600@reddit
Now add in dlss and rt….
Pineapple_weiner@reddit
You've already come this far, why not wait? You're gonna regret it when the new GPU generation comes out in a couple months.
kshell521@reddit
If you dont care about ray tracing like you said then the 7900xtx is the way to go. Ive been using one for nearly two years and its been a fantastic card. I play at 4k and it doesnt flinch.
birdman133@reddit
Why don't you care about ray tracing? It's incredible
QIyph@reddit (OP)
game looks 10% better, runs 90% slower
birdman133@reddit
Doesn't matter with a 4080 super, all my 1440p games still running at 120+fps with ray tracing, and it's far more than 10% better
mrfoxinthebox@reddit
I don't know why your upgrading to a high end gpu with the next gen 5000rtx cards right around the corner
RenderFaze@reddit
I have a 4080 super right now and it’s amazing. I would pick that over the amd card just for dlss if nothing else. Runs super cool and doesn’t use too much power.
Imhotep966@reddit
Im running 7800x3d and 7900xtx… go for 7900xtx if u dont need DLSS , RT etc bullshitz. Raw performance 7900xtx is way to go 😊 get Sapphire Nitro + if u manage to get one
Kiaksar2142@reddit
Bro what you think about Sapphire Pulse? does it performs as good as Nitro?
Imhotep966@reddit
Sapphire Pulse is just okay, it’s more hot in games and dont want to undervolt/oc that good as Nitro +.
Badilorum@reddit
Got a 7900xtx and i’m happy. Sooner or later i’ll try nvidia, been amd for my whole life (went through 5 amd gpus)
Alyctro@reddit
The XTX, i'm very happy with it. That extra VRAM really helps with textures, shadows and rhigh resolutions. And it's surprisingly quiet too. While the 4080 sounds akin to a jet engine.
user007at@reddit
The same old question every day. 4080 Super
Crptnx@reddit
Same wrong answer.
FilthyCasual04@reddit
Okay so the 4080 super has the following advantages. Cuda, better raytacing, better upscaling, better AI framegen. And better video encoding resulting in less los of FPS when gaming and recording.
The XTX has more VRAM, better Linux support and sometimes a way better price. I chose the 4080
If the price is a 100-200 euro difference, why not go for nvidia??
_Metal_Face_Villain_@reddit
cuz it's sometimes more than 200 euros and 200 euros are a lot of money :D in the end it depends on how much you value the nvidia features for, i think dlaa and dlss are very nice to have, are they worth 200-300 more? frame gen is basically nonsense, at least for what people want it for, it won't get you fps if you are already struggling, it's just to get you from good fps to high refresh. if you are a gamer you might not care about how the card performs in other professional tasks, the amd ones too have av1 encoding if i'm not mistaken and finally many people don't care about ray tracing at all, especially since it's extremely hard to run when it actually make a visual impact. so on paper the nvidia card is much better but in reality it's not to that extend. i mean it's still better ofc but is it 300$ better? i guess that's for each user to choose depending on their needs. i'm personally here coping for a 5080 that costs as much as a 4080 but has increased vram xD
FilthyCasual04@reddit
The 16gb of vram isn’t limiting any gamers, not even on 4k. stock of 4000 is dwindling. The 5000 series will a 100% be more expensive and won’t be available for MSRP at launch like always…. Now is the best time to buy a 4000 series.
Amd is not doing a top tier card for their 8000 series and focuses on RT, the XTX will still be their best rasterized card according to leaks and rumors. As for thr AV1 encoders. Nvidia implemented them in a different way resulting in less FPS loss when recording at higher resolutions.
Dlss and the option to have raytracing is definitely worth 150-200 extra in my opinion. FSR looks horrible and I doubt they will catch up soon.
_Metal_Face_Villain_@reddit
16 is enough for 4k now, at least in most cases. you're supposedly picking nvidia over amd for its superior features and to run ray tracing. the joke is that if you wanna run ray tracing, with dlaa and things like fg, you already reach close to 16gb of vram even now at some games and in some situations even surpass it. i don't think cyberpunk needing more than 16 with path tracing is actually a real problem now but if you were to consider the future, that might become a problem. this is the reason i'm hoping for that 5080 with more vram, i don't wanna spend 1k on a gpu and replace it in 2 years.
FilthyCasual04@reddit
Haven’t seen cyberpunk use more than 12. Didn’t use path tracing tho since that brings even a 4090 to its knees
_Metal_Face_Villain_@reddit
it's not about what you've seen but what the tests show. cyberpunk at 4k with frame gen, dlaa and path tracing needs more than 16gb. again this takes the most demanding situation in a graphically demanding game, this doesn't mean 16 in general is not enough for now, it's more of an indication of what the future might hold for games that use ray tracing that actually makes a significant difference visually. personally i feel that if i'm to take that big of a hit in performance, i need ray tracing at the level of cp path tracing and if the provided vram ain't enough for that, then what's the point of spending all that money on nvidia? ofc there are other things but are they really worth the price if the difference is too big? you mentioned dlss, which is undoubtably better but is it that much better in 4k, where these cards are marketed towards? personally if the difference is like 100 i'd go nvidia but if it's around 250 then the xtx makes a lot of sense. all of this would be a non issue if nvidia didn't try to force you on the next tier of gpu by skimping on the vram tbh
Crptnx@reddit
CUDA has no value in this topic since OP is gonna use his PC only for gaming
AMD has about 30% worse raytracing which is a lot but dont get confused, for example Avatar which is fully raytraced by default runs on my 7900XTX at 4K max settings at 120fps, if you care about raytracing then ok, but you shouldnt as it takes large chunk of fps and produces underwhelming results, ofcourse videos with cherrypicked scenes on youtube look great but when last month HUB made video about raytracing, people in the comments cant even tell if its enabled or not - Is Ray Tracing Good? btw OP already stated he doesnt care about raytracing
DLSS is indeed better, under 300% zoom and static image, if you are playing in high resolution which I supposed you will since you have such expensive rig, then you wont see much difference comparing to FSR3.1 btw OP already stated he doesnt care about upscaling
DLSS frame generation isnt any better than FSR frame gen, its upscaling which nvidia has the edge in
AMD has AV1, recording same as streaming doesnt take any fps, its very well optimized in drivers
So basically 4080S is more expensive, have much less VRAM, worse software (geforce app vs radeon adrenalin), and less features
if you would say you are gonna do some AI generating or 3D rendering I wouldnt say anything
not speaking of that after announcement of 5000 series you are probably gonna get robbed off new features as it was always the rule with new generations of nvidia gpus where they locked new features for new gen only
most important thing is AFMF2 feature, as a gamer you should care about this the most, frame generation for any game you want just by enabling it in drivers
since OP has 240hz display, frame generation is absolutely must have for him in every game he is about to play without taking risk that game wont support nvidia frame gen
FilthyCasual04@reddit
Amd has their av1 encoder implemented differently resulting in a bigger los in FPS when recording. Specially at higher resolution. FSR is dogshit compared to DLSS, and I’d rather run 40 fps than 60 with FSR.
Deadlysins777@reddit
Your whole page consists of hating on Nvidia lol what a shame
lostpirate123@reddit
I've had a 7900xtx and 7800x3d since March this year and the latest 2 drivers have been solid for me. No issues with them minus one game which is an exception, which is darktide.
Temperature hasn't been an issue even during summer, haven't noticed the power draw being an issue as the adrenaline software allows you to undervolt the gpu somewhat. Even when I played helldivers 2 at 4k, max EVERYTHING the temp of the cpu stayed at 65c and never went above. (I'm using a thermal right maybe, or peerless assassin) The gpu never went above 70c either. And the fps still stayed between 90 and 100. This is with PBO in the bios.
My rig can play almost anything at 4k (warhammer 3 doesn't like 4k resolution so I play that at 2k instead)
Overall I haven't had any issues and it's been a delight to play games with no restrictions, hardware wise. I've never used ray tracing as, like yourself, I don't like using it. It feels like a gimmick still. But I did use it on Cp2077 and it wasn't too bad but I didn't do enough testing to see if it held up.
Any questions ask away!
QIyph@reddit (OP)
frames you got cp2077 w/ RT ? if you could do 120fps it'd be acceptable...
GARGEAN@reddit
No way to do 120+FPS on 7900XTX with any decent RT on any decent resolution. You will need quite agressive upscaling, framegen or (or much more probably AND) lowered settings. Even without PT 4080S will be \~50% faster than 7900XTX with higher end RT settings, so much-much more chances to get to your 120fps target.
QIyph@reddit (OP)
oh yeah lol, I thought maybe 1080p could do it, but nah 60 fps wo/ path tracing lol.
GARGEAN@reddit
You can find quite a few video benchmarks around showing 7900XTX (and 4080S) performance in some specific cases. Long story short: 7900XTX can do RT, and can do it adequately if load is not too big, but the moment RT becomes noticeably big - its performance nosedives. To the level that in some specific cases, rare for now but bound to be more common in future, like full PT games, 7900XTX loses to 4070S.
notthatguypal6900@reddit
7900, you'll never notice the difference in fps or RT and can save hundreds.
Mazinger_Zee36@reddit
Next gen gpus are 2 months away. Why not wait?
Salty_Ad1898@reddit
Because they’re going to be near impossible to get at msrp and the good chance that 40 series stock is depleted by then. Scalping. Same thing that’s been going on for last two generations
sneakyxxrocket@reddit
Also decent possibility US prices will go way up if tariffs are put in place come the new year, sorta why I just went ahead and got a 4080 super along with what you just said too
adultfemalefetish@reddit
My thoughts as well. I'm upgrading from a 5700xt for my main PC and I remember when my GPU shit out on my living room PC and I paid scalper prices for a 6600xt because I didn't have any other options. This was in the middle of the crypto boom and the chip shortage so things were wild. I still resent how much I had to pay for a budget card so I'm not playing the GPU market lottery again. Had the money for a 4080 Super and sent it.
Mazinger_Zee36@reddit
All fair points to consider. Luckily I had no issue getting a 4070 at msrp shortly after it launched.
Salty_Ad1898@reddit
40 series was nowhere near as bad as 30 series at launch for obvious reasons. But I do recall when AMD was having their overheating issues, 4080s in particular went out of stock pretty quick. I was never in the market for a 4090 because I could never justify spending that much on a gpu
Kiaksar2142@reddit
Both are beast cards.
If you need ray tracing and if you work on Blender, get Nvidia, if you need raw performance without ray tracing, get 7900xtx.
Also, 7900xtx shows itself slightly better in 4k gaming than 4080. However, it depends on title.
Personally I'm planning to get 7900xtx, as I don't need ray tracing much and don't work on blender as well.
ChenzVee@reddit
The driver issues on AMD has been greatly exaggerated. I have only used AMD since the RX 580, upgraded to 5700xt, then 6800. I have literally never had a problem.
Braidster@reddit
I've owned both and had just switched from a nitro+ 7900xtx a couple months ago to a Strix 4080 Super. From my experiance you'll reach your goal with both as I use a 360hz oled 1440p. The 7900xtx will run a little faster but has more driver failures, and uses more power. Mine would run 100w idle which they never could fix. I've been more than happy with the Super even though it cost more. Reason I did was to help a bud get a good card, and he paid me a decent amount for it.
Neat_Manufacturer_80@reddit
4080 Super for sure
Paddonglers@reddit
7900xtx. Just trust me, I did all fucking research known to man, some only known by aliens.
The only ONLY thing I miss is Nvidia CTRL panel, other than that, the 7900xtx kills the 4080 super. FSR is also improving massively over time, so don't trust DLSS to keep being better for too long
MakimaGOAT@reddit
7900 xtx is slightly better in raster, runs hotter, and has more vram (which literally no games use that much, even at 4k)
Between these two high end cards, the 4080 super seems to be the better choice since if you're paying that much, you should go the full distance and get the full feature set.
But if the 7900 xtx is significantly cheaper (like 15-20%), then that wouldn't be a bad option
Antenoralol@reddit
Like 2% faster at best.
Judge_Bredd_UK@reddit
This is why I got one because they were also on sale when I bought parts, they were retailing for £900 and I found a Sapphire pulse on sale for £750, the deal basically blew everything else out of the water.
ThrwAwayAdvicePlease@reddit
Oof! I just bought a 7900xt for £573... If I knew about the 750£ xtx I would have been tempted lol.
Judge_Bredd_UK@reddit
That's still a sweet deal though and the XT is a really powerful card. I got my daughter a 7800xt and I was really impressed with how powerful that one is
ThrwAwayAdvicePlease@reddit
It's for my boy, I'm getting his 4060 as hand me down!
MakimaGOAT@reddit
Yea thats definitely an amazing pickup for sure
XGreenDirtX@reddit
Where I live the 7900xtx is 80% of the price of an 4080 super. Obviously the 4080 super is the superior card, but I'd choose the xtx because I dont think its over €200,- better.
al3ch316@reddit
Go Team Green.
Most high-end PC games released nowadays require some kind of upscaling to maximize your frame rates, and Nvidia's solutions are simply better in this regard.
Reddiohead@reddit
Damn that sucks. Cuz you're spending current gen money now for something that'll be last-gen performance in a couple months. Especially since high-end NVIDIA cards are already such poor value in terms of FPS/$, last thing you want is to spend top dollar on a dated product.
What about getting a used stop gap? Or something like a new RX 6600? A cheaper card that's good value, still an upgrade for you, that you can re-sell and recoup some costs when you've seen what the 5000 series has to offer come Q1 2025.
azi699@reddit
With not much talk, 4070 super just for the DLSS boost
dekuweku@reddit
I'd go with the 4080 Super. DLSS/RT won't be less prevalent and DLSS is all around better upscaling
kovu11@reddit
If money is to consideration then 7900XTX, more VRAM so it is more futureproof. If you don't care about money then 4080, you can use AI generation.
Mortifer_I@reddit
How are prices in your region? For example in switzerland the price of a 4070TiS is just shy of the price of a 7900XTX.
QIyph@reddit (OP)
same here 950€ for 4070ti super, 1000€ for 7900xtx, 1150€ for 4080 super
Mortifer_I@reddit
Here its 800CHF (~860EUR) for the 7900XTX.
QIyph@reddit (OP)
22% tax I guess lol
Jbarney3699@reddit
4080 super is the better card overall. 7900xtx is a great raw performing card for its price.
If you value RT, DLSS and other features the 4080 super is great. If you don’t, the 7900xtx will save you quite a few bucks for very very similar performance.
CaptainAmerica679@reddit
Nvidia features are always a massive plus if you play games that use them. in my personal opinion DLSS and Raytracing performance will always be worth the extra money
Salviati_Returns@reddit
I think the main considerations are your PSU, CPU, Motherboard and RAM. Can you post your current build so that I can determine whether you need to upgrade multiple components.
QIyph@reddit (OP)
fully swapping everything out, I'm getting a 9800x3d 96gb of ddr5 (only @5600 tho) and a corsair 1kW PSU
LTareyouserious@reddit
96gb?! What are you using it for?
QIyph@reddit (OP)
all the chrome tabs i got
FilthyCasual04@reddit
Why not go for 64 6000 cl60?
QIyph@reddit (OP)
I got it for like 220€ which was cheaper than a set of 6000mhz in 64gb lol
FilthyCasual04@reddit
Completely fair. Shouldn’t lose any noticeable performance tbh.
Salviati_Returns@reddit
Okay. That makes sense. I was under the impression that you were upgrading. Sorry about that.
QIyph@reddit (OP)
the drives stay the same so it's technically an upgrade! nah but actually I was getting a 9800x3d until i figured out it's already sold out, so im settling for the 7800x3d. Shouldn't really matter tho either way
FilthyCasual04@reddit
Only differs 1-20 % game depending. Not that big of a change and both are top tier.
Shyfax@reddit
I think it’s more important to ask what kind of games do you play?
QIyph@reddit (OP)
most of my time is spent on e-sports titles, although I love to play the occasional rpg
Shyfax@reddit
So the 7900xtx is faster, for most I would look around for some benchmarks on the games you play. It’s if your big into AAA games then the 4080 super looks better
resce@reddit
I just got a 4080 super. No regerts
QIyph@reddit (OP)
not even a single letter?
pleem@reddit
Is there a noticeable difference between 120hz and 240hz? I’ve never had monitors that went over 165 and they seemed butter smooth….
QIyph@reddit (OP)
don't know, I'm also at 144 right now, although I can't even reach that most of the time lol. Of course I only die because they have a faster refresh rate, I'm clearly better than everyone
DerKadser@reddit
I would take the 7900XTX
Main reason behind it is the really shitty power connector of the NVIDIA 4000 series.
And don't give me the "if you plug it in correctly nothing happens" talk. The purpose of a connector is to establish a safe connection. The 12V high power connector fails at this task in a really bad way. Wich is just a shame to be honest. And the communication by NVIDIA was not good either regarding this topic. I hope they improve with the 5000 series. Until then I will stick with the AMD GPUs.
MedicineMore1221@reddit
you better do something other than gaming
QIyph@reddit (OP)
I jerk off to porn every so often :)
keevalilith@reddit
If you wait until feb-march the next generation of cards will be out fyi. If you don't want to wait I'd get the 4070ti super. A good chunk cheaper and can be overclocked to get very close to 4080 stock performance.
GoldkingHD@reddit
Nvidia would also be better for streaming and ai stuff. If you also don't care about that then get the 7900xtx for a bit more performance.
WhereIGetAdvice@reddit
I was about to ask if streaming was better on Nvidia vs AMD lol
My only concern going Nvidia would be the manufacturers. I have a 3060ti from EVGA, but they don’t make GPUs anymore and the best ones like Sapphire or XFX are AMD. The bump in performance per $ and manufacturers is really noticeable on AMD, but features and power consumption are better on Nvidia
_Metal_Face_Villain_@reddit
for streaming nvidia is better for twitch, since twitch doesn't support av1 yet but they said they would soon, so i'm assuming streaming will be about the same
EngineeringFailed@reddit
I own a 7900xtx and it does the job perfectly for me playing games at 1440p 144 fps (I don’t play many MP games so I don’t need higher fps). I chose it for the price and because it has a lot of VRAM which I think will come in handy in the future. I did have a problem with it but it wasn’t driver related, I think it was because of MSI afterburner being outdated or something.
CookieSlayer2Turbo@reddit
If rt doesn't matter I'd lean 7900xtx just cause of the ram. I'd like to have a bit of a buffer in ram for the next generation of consoles and I'm not sure 16g will hold up in 2-3 years when the next gen consoles come out.
RevolutionaryWind846@reddit
Asked the same, I decided for the 7900 xtx JUST because I love the look of the white taichi. Honestly it depends if you care about ray tracing or not. And even if you care, 7900 xtx can dish out decent RT performance at least at 1440p. I hate rt and I don't play realistic games where it would make sense (I only play monster hunter games) so the 7900 xtx was an easy choice. Performance is pretty much even, save that 200$ if you know you don't want ray tracing.
MrRennou@reddit
Theres multiple GPUS, each having its own potential measured by the capacity of the CPU. I have seen that your getting a 7800x3d, which is REALLY good for gaming. Id go with the 4080 super, not because im a nvidia fanboy, just because it would be a good combo with the CPU. Its your choice overall, im just giving suggestions. I dont have a gaming pc, i have a workplace one but i know a LOT about tech, so if you need further help about bottlenecked cpus or gpus feel free to contact me! Best Regards -MrRennou
icepickmassacre@reddit
4080 super
Ouroboros0730@reddit
Depends on the price points and budget. I got a 4080 super for 999€ in France, and couldn't find a 7900XTX for a lower enough price to justify not taking the 4080.
o0Spoonman0o@reddit
I had both cards.
The 4080 super is the better GPU. The XTX provided no objective reason to keep it. AMD still has no answer to Nvidia reflex which can be toggled on in all games now using RTSS; Vram you won't need; DLSS vs FSR; nvidia has better day 1 driver support; 4080 runs much cooler and uses less power.
Don't listen to boneheads that say upscaling isn't important on powerful cards. DLSS is 30% more FPS and is often very difficult to distinguish from native; also provides perfect frame pacing (the opposite of AFMF). As the card ages you'll be very happy you have a functional upscaler to eek out more performance (along with todays titles as if you're running heavy RT you're also going to be running DLSS)
MattiTheGamer@reddit
Depends on price. If 7900XTX is cheaper than 4080S and you don't care about ray-tracing (wouldn't think that if goal is 1440p@240) then go for that. If they are about the same price, go for 4080S (as it is slightly better in ALMOST every circumstance)
PlasticPaul32@reddit
SupFlynn@reddit
4080Super is better at RT and professional workloads however lesser the vram and almost same raster performance you wont be filling that amount of vram with games probably so going for 4080Super is much better option.
Crptnx@reddit
basically 4080S is more expensive, have much less VRAM, worse software (geforce app vs radeon adrenalin), and less features
if you would say you are gonna do some AI generating or 3D rendering I would recommend 4080s
Basically thing you should care about most is AFMF2 feature, as a gamer you should care about this the most, frame generation for any game you want just by enabling it in drivers
Numerous_Gas362@reddit
xD
nvmbernine@reddit
Depends if you care for raytracing or not, and whether you intend to do any streaming or use it for any AI workloads. If yes to any of these, the 4080s would be a better choice.
_dharwin@reddit
What does nVidia have for streaming?
FilthyCasual04@reddit
Their av1 encoder is better implemented causing less frameloss when recording.
_dharwin@reddit
Thanks for explaining =)
CaptChair@reddit
4080 super IMO - for longevity, nvidia frame gen is leagues above amd's. When paired with reflex low latency, it doesn't feel like any frame gen is going on from an input lag standpoint.
Dlss outperforms FSR graphically as well.
I know you don't "care" about Ray tracing. Neither did I until I installed cyberpunk, added 130 mods, turned on frame gen and RT and went for a drive around night city lol.
totallybag@reddit
I swear this gets asked here at least 4 times a day
se777enx3@reddit
I have PTSD from AMD drivers so I’ll say NVIDIA. Now the drivers might be fine but I don’t know, seeing videos on YouTube advising if the driver is safe to update is not a good sign. My problems with amd were years ago so I can’t say for certain how the situation is now, however I saw some people complaining about random monitor black screens for like 2-3 seconds which is a problem I had years ago and it drove me NUTS. So now I just don’t risk and go with nvidia. I’ve had my 3080 since release and never had any problems.
opensrcdev@reddit
I would stick with the 4080 Super. NVIDIA drivers are solid, they consume less power, and the image quality with DLSS FrameGen is amazing. You can also use DLDSR and DLAA to improve image quality. These aren't talked about as much, but are both highly effective.
FilthyCasual04@reddit
The power consumption difference between the 4080 super and XTX is marginal.
amoureuxdelaFrance@reddit
Get an XTX, that card is a beast. I have one since release, drivers have been rock solid since 2 month post launch, performs extremely well. FSR is also well implemented, and Adrenalin is in all shapes or forms superior to Geforce experience in my opinion.
It also has a lot of overclocking headroom, with 3+Ghz core clocks easily achievable. Drawback is power consumption ; 415W with stock bios and max power limit, can get up to 500W if you flash the asrock aqua one.
FilthyCasual04@reddit
As someone who has always had AMD up until my most recent 6750xt. DLSS is by far way superior in every way.
pf100andahalf@reddit
GeForce experience has been replaced by the Nvidia app now.
Any-Skill-5128@reddit
500watt that’s insane
Ancient-Intention899@reddit
What's your gpu hot spot look like?
amoureuxdelaFrance@reddit
Never seen it above 90C and that was during heavy benchmarking, set up an aggressive fan curve and a conservative overclock. No crashes in games.
FilthyCasual04@reddit
Okay so the 4080 super has the following advantages. Cuda, better raytacing, better upscaling, better AI framegen. And better video encoding resulting in less los of FPS when gaming and recording.
The XTX has more VRAM, better Linux support and sometimes a way better price. I chose the 4080
AconexOfficial@reddit
if the XTX is like 100+ bucks cheaper, you might aswell buy it and use those 100 bucks to invest in a cpu upgrade or something else. At a similar price I'd go for the 4080S
Dimo145@reddit
raw performance between the two is on par, I'd always go with the 4080s. it simply is the safer more complete pick, the Radeon equiv's only advantage is the more competitive price. (which is a legit thing to consider if it's maybe like 200 (whether euro or dollars) cheaper) also the 16 vs 24 gig of vram is a non discussion honestly. it's all the same even at 4k
Which_Ad9479@reddit
Ive got a rx 7900xtx and cant be happier. Raytraycing for me is just a gimmick and in most games u cant tell the difference. Path tracing is another level but even the 4090 struggles at this. If u choose the xtx u get more VRAM and a little better raster performance. Games like COD favor AMD GPUs.
krysinello@reddit
Personally I'd go the 4080.
4080 reason Dlss quality as dlss for additional fps with potential better quality than TAA at native, ray tracing, better feature set, media, cuda and ML. Personally games with DRS and DLSS are amazing. Even FFXVI with a 4090 at 1440p ultra wide benefited greatly from this.
7900xtx reason If you're against upscaling, RT and will never use and want that extra 2% or so on average for a bit less depending on your market the 7900xtx is the obvious choice then.
Guilty_Rooster_6708@reddit
4080s. Not only will you get DLSS but you will also get features like RTX HDR, video super resolution and DLDSR as well
Ok_Combination_6881@reddit
4080 super. Cuda is a blessing to have
ReiBacalhau@reddit
At the same price or small difference? Get a 4080 super. No doubt about that.
At a large price difference? The 7900xtx if cheaper
I have a 7900xtx which I got for about 350 euros less than what a 4080 (non super) would ve cost me.
Drivers are decent no issue on that, RT is also not that bad at 1440p for single player games, but FSR is just trash and not really comparable to dlss.
Fafyg@reddit
Have 6800XT, don’t remember any troubles with drivers. The only concern - RT performance is definitely weaker. But if you don’t care about it, then it is not an issue
Fun-Agent-7667@reddit
7900XTX, No debate.
It was that way, now the chance of having bad drivers is about even between Nvidia and AMD. And even if you get a bad driver you can just install the Version before that and wait for the ubdate
zephyrwastaken@reddit
The xtx. Hopefully you're getting a mobo and cpu as well
Numerous_Gas362@reddit
Whether you care about Upscaling or not is irrelevant, you will be using it if you want to even begin approaching 240 FPS in any relatively modern game.
The 4080 Super is the better GPU as it comes with a complete feature set while delivering practically the same rasterized performance.
QIyph@reddit (OP)
wasn't specific I suppose, but I meant e-sports titles (mainly rainbow six siege). Surely that's roughly the frame rate a 7900xtx could do at 1440p no?
Videnskabsmanden@reddit
Sure. But can the R5 1600X hit those frame rates?
QIyph@reddit (OP)
dude im getting a 7800x3d literally everything is getting replaced except the drives
Videnskabsmanden@reddit
Dude ok
QIyph@reddit (OP)
dude hell yeah
DuuhEazy@reddit
Even a 7800xt is enough in that case.
Pr0xima__@reddit
Even a 4070 super can pull off 1440p ultra 240hz with ease without dipping below 240fps
Numerous_Gas362@reddit
Both GPUs should be more than capabale of playing older e-sports titles at those FPS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDToW_dnjrs
Ancient-Intention899@reddit
4080 super the 7900xtx runs hot
Crptnx@reddit
no
Small_Equivalent_515@reddit
That is complete bullshit.
esw123@reddit
5700x3d and 4070tis, 4080 will be bottlenecked.
bir_iki_uc@reddit
get 7900 xtx, it is better at everything except ray tracing
DuuhEazy@reddit
7800xt and put the rest into an am5 cpu, there's no point in getting those GPUs when you have a ryzen 1600, for rainbow six a 7800xt is more than enough