Should I get an Arctic Freezer III 360 or 420 for an 9800x3d?
Posted by Ok-Ruin4177@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 218 comments
I am planning my first PC build and I am trying to decide on what size AIO and by extension what case I should buy for the build. The plan is to pair a 9800x3d with a 7900XTX but I am having trouble deciding what radiator and case size I should go with. As for the case I was looking at either the Fractal Design Meshify 2 (with the 360 on top) or the Meshify 2 XL (with the 420 on top). Will the bigger case and radiator make a meaningful difference in thermals? I like that the smaller case has an option without any glass but also like that the XL lets use all 140mm fans. I would also be open to other case suggestions if anyone knows of any good high airflow cases without glass or RGB besides the Meshify.
VoraciousGorak@reddit
The 9800X3D can run fine off a $35 dual tower cooler. Heck, it can run fine off a $20 single tower cooler if you don't mind some loud-ass fans. AIOs of any type are a waste. If you really must have one just get whichever one looks best.
LawfuI@reddit
So having a system run at 70° instead of 80°, is considered a waste right? Keep your opinions to yourself dude. Not to mention air cooling is several times louder than AIO.
VoraciousGorak@reddit
Did you really dredge up a six month old comment to not read the whole thing?
Also better tell that to my AK620 that I literally cannot hear, I tried to get my ear close enough to hear it and by the time I heard any air rushing the blades nicked my ear. Or my Shadow Rock 3 that I also can't hear, or my NH-D14 with fifteen year old fans that only spin up audibly with the 12900K at all core sustained loads, or....
Getting air cooling silent is a lot easier and quicker than getting water cooling even working half the time, counting messing around with cable management and routing.
LawfuI@reddit
Yeah, your comment was that that stupid that it kinda warrants a reply.
abrahamlincoln20@reddit
One would think a person buying a $500 CPU could afford an extra $50 for greatly reduced noise and potentially increased performance. But I guess the consenus is AIO's are shit now, so people gotta do whatever is popular.
Plenty-Industries@reddit
AIO's aren't bad.
But they're way overrated in terms of cooling performance in the majority of use-cases, that which being gaming and casual computing. Something a dual-tower air cooler can easily accomplish for a lower cost.
And its kinda weird to justify it by saying you're paying $500 for a CPU "why not just get the best cooling too". In which point, it doesnt matter if you have the budget for it - get the most you can reasonably afford.
These days personally, I'm all about price:performance ratio. If I can get the same cooling for a fraction of the price, thats where Im going.
I've spent hundreds, and in some cases over $1000 just on custom water loops in the past. I used to want the "best" for my money, now I want the best balance.
mrtnbaker01@reddit
Have you held a Noctua NH-D15? I have one in my other PC and it is HUGE, so having an AIO that can also transfer heat from the case is great, not to mention more air flow inside the case and ability to actually access all your components.
Anyone looking into Air Cooling and have the space for dual towers, the Valkyrie Vind SL125 is an amazing one, the same as the Noctua but less than half the price. It also comes in a really cool box, check out the unboxing videos.
Plenty-Industries@reddit
You're comparing dual tower cooler somehow performs the same as a single-tower cooler?
LMFAO. What a clown.
Contribution-Wooden@reddit
Even if he's wrong, he nicely wrote you, definitely not beckoning your answer- you should look at your tone online, mister Plenty-Industries.. ')
Ok-Ruin4177@reddit (OP)
Everyone has different budgets I guess. I am not flush with cash but I can afford spending a bit more here or there on an already expensive build. The air cooler does looks like the best pick when min-maxing for price/performance but I can afford a little bit of luxury.
pisanggorgor@reddit
correctly said, i have noctua and it runs never above 60 degree celsius in full load
Yommination@reddit
In cinebench? You will be over 80
mrtnbaker01@reddit
Honestly it won't depending on your case airflow, and if the fans go to 100% when CPU reaches 60c. The Noctua dual fans dual towers are quite lazy and will idle most of the time. I tested the Noctua with the Fans completely OFF, using AIDA, the CPU was struggling to get to over 65c.
For a better perspective, I used the Upsiren PCM-1 thermal pad, in order for the pad to "bake" and set properly, they say that you need to get your temperatures above 60c. I was really struggling to do that with the Noctua dual Tower and dual Fans, so I ended turning off the fans, and even then, running CPU stress testing for a few hours, only had the CPU up to about 65c and had to really push to hit 70c by turning off all case fans. I honestly can't recall what was the maximum temperature achieved, but I had to do this for a few hours. Go up to 60c+ then back down to 30c. Apparently you gotta change between high temps and low temps for some time, to help set the thermal pads.
SoSaysCory@reddit
So even in a worst case scenario for the CPU it's still quite under thermal throttle range.
I just built a 9800x3d in a Fractal Terra with the IS55 low profile cooler, hours and hours of gaming and hover between 65-70. I was concerned it would run hot in such a tight case with very little cooling, but it just doesn't. AT least not hot enough to be a concern.
AMD really outdid themselves with this chip.
Acauclya@reddit
Mine runs at 70-ish in cinebench
sk8itup53@reddit
Genuine question. If AIOs route heat outside the tower through the rad, is there any potential cooling benefit from other components like the GPU or memory by having lower ambient temps?
mrtnbaker01@reddit
Depends on the case, with a full tower case, it might not be a huge issue, for example my GPU with CPU AIO and lots of air to breathe, never reached temps higher than about 70 under stress.
I had a push pull 240 on my CPU, with 2 Fans on the outside of the case pulling. CPU benchmark Temps were at 45c. Worth mentioning my old PC is a 5820K @ 4.2Ghz. That CPU is still rocking at 1080p without breaking a sweat.
My Corsair H105 packed it in, so I put a Noctuda D15 on it, but I have a full tower.
Droviin@reddit
Yes! I posted elsewhere in the thread, but my case is as follows.
I had a computer in an enclosed space. There was adequate airflow through the setup, but the tower cooler caused recirculation of air in the case due to the flow rate. The AIO vented directly out of the rear and was vented out of the enclosure by fan. The MB and GPU temps dropped drastically after this setup.
The rear venting AIO had the double benefit of increasing total airflow out the rear of the case, allowing more air to flow through the entire enclosure as designed.
Ok-Ruin4177@reddit (OP)
That was one of my questions as well.
kikimaru024@reddit
If you setup as top exhaust, then it can slightly benefit VRM & RAM temperatures (but not as much as direct fan would).
However if you setup as front intake, it will make all your components slightly hotter.
TheFondler@reddit
Generally speaking, the CPU air cooler is dumping heat straight into a fan (or fans) that is then blowing it out of the case. GPUs are typically the component doing the most to increase your case's internal temperature, especially now that flow-through designs have become much more common.
VoraciousGorak@reddit
Yes, in theory. If your case has enough cooling in it though it's not a problem, and often isn't even a factor.
One of my PCs was an 11900K and an RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra in a Fractal Torrent Compact. At full tilt in a sustained Cinebench load under an AK620 (not an AIO) the 11900K peaked at an absolute temperature of 74C. I added Furmark to the mix, letting the 3080 dump its heat into the case right under the CPU and sending the power draw at the wall of the PC to over 500 watts.
The CPU stayed at 74C.
With proper airflow - heck, the Torrent Compact in question only had its two front fans installed - those temperature differences are entirely negligible.
sk8itup53@reddit
Thank you this is what I was wondering if it's the case!
Luckyirishdevil@reddit
Yes, not having your CPU dump heat into the case does help the other components with their own heat. Less starting temp = less ending temp
Bi1cool@reddit
dude, i personnally have a ryzen 9 9950x (16 heart) and under heavy load, an aio is a must (i have the one he is talking about), it will never survive under aircooling! Maybe his cpu dont need an aio, but dont say aio are useless! if i were to aircool it, dawm its going to be a slow cpu! i have fricking 16 heart man, i make so much heat! i have it for not that long, so i never overclock it, but man when im going to do it, its going to need all of that heat dissipation only an aio can give you! And an aio release the heat OUTSIDE of you case, so its not throwing the heat (mostly) on your VRM.
But yeah, if you dont want to (massively) overclock you cpu and dont have fucking 16 heart (all high performance!), yes aircooling is better (much much cheaper).
Another point to consider: the Arctic Liquid Freezer is one of the only aio to have a fan for the VRM, so for power hungry cpu, its good to have.
WaitFoorIt@reddit
I wouldn’t go as far as to say they are a waste. Some people put them for aesthetic purposes.
OldKingHamlet@reddit
Fan speed by coolant temp. Some AIOs can do this, and so the fans will only spin up once the system is no longer able to remove heat from the coolant at the idle fan speeds.
So my cooler fans pretty much run at 450rpm all the time, and don't spin up when I launch programs, or even do moderately complex compute stuff for just a few minutes or such. They only start to spin up once the coolant temp crosses like 33c or so.
Fraggle7@reddit
What aio coolers do you know have the ability to measure coolant temp?
OldKingHamlet@reddit
Many of the Corsair ones can, and I believe well as thermaltake and nzxt as well.
The dirty fact of the CPU cooler industry is that like 80-90% of the quality aio coolers you would buy at a major retailer are made by like one of two manufacturers, and they basically just get built with slightly different specs, cosmetic treatments, and different USB VID_PIDs at the same factories.
BovineOxMan@reddit
I have corsair iCue and it does this also. H110 I think
beercanflips@reddit
Can’t all do this? I may misunderstand here but all have fan curves that increase/decrease based on the temperature?
I’m currently on the verge to buy one so may affect my choice.
Currently looking at the liquid freezer III 280.
Swollenraspberry@reddit
Only some can. Most coolers have fan curves based on cpu temperature.
beercanflips@reddit
How is this beneficial? Even if they measure on cpu temp a well ventilated chassi with lower temperature overall would affect the cpu and the fan speed of the AIO?
Again just asking since I’m picking one up and would like to buy something well suited for the build that is as silent as possible.
Darrelc@reddit
Dunno if you're still messing with fan stuff, but after 20 years of using fan controllers / BIOS settings and crappy manufacturer software, there's nowt I've found better than https://getfancontrol.com/ for doing it. Infinitely configurable with curves and stuff. Might be worth a look if you want a quiet PC, mines silent as a whisper now and when I wanna game I can just flick it all to the turbo settings with 2 clicks.
Swollenraspberry@reddit
I am quoting u/OldKingHamlet above:
For the record I don't have one, and similar functionality could probably be achieved with a fan curve that flattens out in the middle.
Ariungidai@reddit
the question is: why care about coolant temp when the goal is to keep the cpu cool? if your cpu gets hotter, you increase fan speed to hold the tmp.
kaje@reddit
The fans cool the water, the water cools the CPU. The delta between CPU and water temp is fairly constant. If water temp goes up one degree, CPU temp will go up one degree. Water has a high specific heat capacity and takes a while to heat up.
I did some testing and figured out how high I could let my water get to keep my CPU at a decent temp when I have constant load on it and am dumping heat into the water and what speed I had to run the fans to maintain that water temp. Fan curves are easy, just minimum RPM until the water gets close to the target temp and then ramp up to the maintenance speed.
They don't ramp up at all during light use.
Glad_Wing_758@reddit
The purpose in going by coolant temp is you get far less up and down fan changes. The water in the loop absorbs the heat and distributed it throughout the system so the fans do not need to ramp up instantly every time the cpu has a quick spike. A large part of water cooling is to keep noise down. If you want fans going by cpu temp then you'd be better just using a good air cooler
Swollenraspberry@reddit
I am quoting u/OldKingHamlet above:
For the record I don’t have one, and similar functionality could probably be achieved with a fan curve that flattens out in the middle. If you don't mind your CPU having a bit higher temps when not under load that is.
flyingtiger188@reddit
I'm using a LF3 280 on my 9800x3d. It's roughly 90% of the area of a 360mm, so realisticly minimum performance difference. Unfortunately I couldn't fit it on the top of my case while keeping a 5.25" bay occupied with my mobo since the rad is a bit chunkier so I installed in the front of the case without issue. Out of the box, in my 70-80 degree F room it idles at around 40 degrees C on CPU.
Fraggle7@reddit
Cool thanks for the reply. I know tv screens were like that at some point where only 3 companies actually made the lcd panels etc but not sure if it’s still like that now.
OldKingHamlet@reddit
There's a fair bit more (like 20 in that space) but yeah, lg, tcl, Samsung, au o, boe, jdi, and others make the displays that are in like everything.
Faranocks@reddit
Also worth noting there are often very unique features only seen on one monitor, even if there are 5 monitors that share the same panel. Stuff like better color tuning, better backlight strobing. With 1440p, 480hz, there are 3 displays (2 released, one announced) and they all have different display port bandwidths.
With AIOs, generally speaking, if it cools it cools.
etapollo13@reddit
Fun fact: every microwave is built in one factory in China.
Rapom613@reddit
Have a thermaltake one and confirm it does this. Every now and then I’ll here the fans ramp up (ITX case so it runs a bit hotter) but otherwise it’s nearly silent
dead-eye-blaze223@reddit
Can confirm, my Corsair AIO does coolant temp monitoring and fan control.
Ok-Ruin4177@reddit (OP)
If your case fits them it seems like they have less clearance issues stuff on the motherboard as well.
yolo5waggin5@reddit
The 420 is what I have. It's hard finding a case to top mount it. I went with the lancool3 because the reviews said it has better construction than Fractal.
topsu6@reddit
It fits well in the O11 Dynamic Evo Rgb too
ColKrismiss@reddit
I hate the look of them personally. Sure the actual heat sync portion that sits on the CPU itself can look cool, but to me that looks is ruined by the hoses that jet off in whatever direction of the radiator. If someone did a custom loop and the pipes went STRAIGHT to the reservoir/radiator or whatever, it would look terrible.
Djnick01@reddit
I actually like the look of the hoses. It gives an industrial look.
Alewort@reddit
Mine looks awesome.
etfvidal@reddit
And OLED screen is a way better way to blow $$$ on aesthetics than AIO's and overpiced cases and RGB fans.
EchidnaReasonable631@reddit
I dont understand, if i spend $120 on 3 fans in the top and $35 on an aircooler, it would be more expensive than a $130 liquid cooler. So why do you people say its cheaper???
VoraciousGorak@reddit
If you spend $120 on three fans then yeah, a liquid cooler will seem cheaper. Or you can just not spend the money on those fans at all and leave the top exhaust passive, or pick up a five-pack of Arctic P12/P14s for like $30, and do that.
Deep90@reddit
How is this the top comment? It's user benchmark levels of biased.
If you spend extra on a glass case I really don't see the point in cheaping out on a air cooler.
Lots of cases are outright designed for an AIO.
To give the advice that it's always a waste is ridiculous.
LifeByAnon@reddit
Hugely agree on the note of them making the mobo harder to access. I have a NDH15 and as a result of it, it would be extremely difficult for me to upgrade my SSD or Ram bc it covers them and I'd have to remove it to upgrade them.
nigerianprince199@reddit
Think pretty much everyone’s aware of this but aesthetics and noise are still worth it for a lot of people
lemon07r@reddit
Whichever one is cheapest (that looks good to you aesthetically)*
Imo having a cheap 360mm Aion is sometimes only $20-$30 more than a phantom spirit 140 (my go to recommendation for a good value "high end" air cooler), and can be worth it for better GPU temps and quieter PC since you essentially get three fans to add to the top of your case as exhaust.
Ok-Ruin4177@reddit (OP)
Thanks. The possibly better GPU temps were part of my reason for looking at an AIO in the first place. The ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 360 Is only like $90 when not scalped so it is not like it is terribly expensive either.
lemon07r@reddit
That's a solid choice. Honestly can't go wrong with the thermalright stuff either, sometimes they go for only 60 bucks for a 360mm. Just check what fans they come with, some are superior to others. And if it's a few bucks difference for a model with longer warranty that's not a bad idea either. Some models are only 3 years, others are 5 years. Warranty length is usually a good indicator of quality.
WiseHand7733@reddit
I saw a video where someone paired the 7800x3d and 9800x3d with a SFF case and a low profile Noctual L9a cpu cooler. With some tweaking in the power Settings he got completely reasonable temperatures during gaming (50-60 c). Cant remember who made it but it was one of those tech youtubers.
Droviin@reddit
I had a use case for them where the computer was in an enclosure so all the heat needed to be vented directly out the back. A single spot AIO was a great solution and drastically reduced MB and GPU temps as the air was basically recirculating through the case. I am aware it's a niche use, but AIO aren't always a waste.
CaptainAmerica679@reddit
i didn’t buy a full glass pc case to have a cyberpunk megabuilding sticking out of my cpu socket
Ok-Ruin4177@reddit (OP)
Good to here that the new AMD cpus are really that easy to cool. I am still leaning towards an AIO but I am giving a second glance at the air coolers as well.
paidbythekill@reddit
Agreed. Phantom Spirit 120 is great for it and was only like $35.
muszka9@reddit
What are your temps as with my PS 120 SE I'm getting 47 in idle and 87 in cinebench when 9800 is drawing 140W.
paidbythekill@reddit
I idle between 40-45. Which I’m not too worried about. Gaming I get mid to high 70s at most. Cinebench ~80-83 iirc.
I also enabled PBO and set curve optimize to -20. My temps were a bit higher before I did that.
muszka9@reddit
Yeah weird thing I did that as well - PBO advanced, CO -20 PBO limit motherboard and literally nothnig changed, 140W same temps. And PBO does work cause when I set PBO to set thermal points to 65 or 75 it works as intended.
paidbythekill@reddit
There might not be anything you’re doing wrong. What case do you have? How’s the airflow?
Keep in mind that max operating temp for the 9800X3D is 95c. 87 when stress testing it is perfectly acceptable.
DingusTardo@reddit
+1 as someone running my 9800X3D off a $35 dual tower. Temps are great, CPU peaks at 160w but more like 120 sustained.
Fun-Agent-7667@reddit
They are a waste if you are the average guy. But they can be implemented for aestetics or for OC ambitions.
BigoDiko@reddit
Anyone else smell bitch up in here?
Accomplished_Emu_658@reddit
Aios are not waste. They just aren’t always necessary. Don’t give one sided advice.
clouds_on_acid@reddit
Not a waste at all, radiators expel heat outside of the case, reducing heat for all components drastically.
doppido@reddit
I got a 360 for a 5800x3d and it brought my temps down from 75-80 down to 48-52 in high use workload. Definitely excessive though I'm happy with it and want to keep this CPU going til am6 so figured keeping it cool would help
NDCyber@reddit
As someone who is very sensitive to fan noise I can't agree that it is a waste
I have a Ryzen 5 7600X, with curve optimisation set to -30 all cores, PTM7950 as thermal paste and a be quiet! Pure Loop 2 FX 360mm. The fans are sometimes still too loud for me
VoraciousGorak@reddit
When dealing with such a low load as the 7600X, especially undervolted, it seems like a 360mm radiator - with three fans and a pump - can't help but be as loud or louder than an air cooler? After all, it's not like you can't also tune air cooling.
My 5800X3D is under a Shadow Rock 3, and my 7600 is overclocked under a Peerless Assassin with only the center fan installed. Both put together make less noise than my ceiling fan - I literally can't hear them unless my ear is pressed against the side panel of their respective cases.
NDCyber@reddit
I generally don't hear my fans either. This includes while gaming. But the cooler can be loud enough to annoy me while compiling shader for games as an example. I also have never heard the pump, only fan noise. AIOs are also not louder than air cooler. There is a reason why in a noise, normalized test from Gamers Nexus, AIOs are at the top of the chart. https://youtu.be/heriTDWIU2g?si=GykBNdGrtARaQd0e
I also didn't say that air cooler couldn't be tuned. Just that they wouldn't be quiet enough for me, as I am very sensitive to fan noise. And I know people like me are rather rare, but calling AIOs a waste because there aren't many who maybe need them doesn't really make sense
Also I don't really have a comparison like a ceiling fan, as I never had one in my life
hazochun@reddit
I got 95 degree full load with Peerless Assassin 120 and -25 co already... Of course it is fine for 99% of the time.
lifesucks63@reddit
Worst fucking advance I've ever seen but it appears some of the dumbest mofos are buying 9800x3d.
RuckFeddi7@reddit
How are they a waste?
Water conducts heat much more efficiently than air, its physics
Upset_Track5136@reddit
Im using 360mm in nmy case frobt position. In busy between of 40-50celcius. Push and pull6 fan
Danwador68@reddit
420 mn pour fonctionner à une vitesse plus faible et donc avec moins de bruit et une durabilité plus longue
F1R3STARYA@reddit
I’m using an Arctic Freezer III 360 with mine.
GoodGuyR0shi@reddit
I'm doing the same, it has worked out great thus far.
Big_Training6081@reddit
Give it a couple years, it'll fail. They always do.
The_One_Returns@reddit
Reporting here with an 8+ year old AIO that still hasn't failed :)
Viend@reddit
I’m 4 years in, what do I do now?
Big_Training6081@reddit
Not much, but I'm done arguing with fan boys. Use google and look up the actual statistics. I already told the other guy why you are wrong so I'm not gonna repeat myself.
xalzor@reddit
Literally urban legend, failure rate is very minimal, pretty much non existent if you are at good brands.
Plenty-Industries@reddit
I've got almost 8 years on a H100i.
link the statistics since you seem to know all about them.
stewie1304k@reddit
what should I google except en passant cuz I’ve done that already
areyouhungryforapple@reddit
I don't think you know what those words mean..?
Big_Training6081@reddit
Yeah I used some big words there huh little man? Don't worry you'll understand complex words like this when you get older!
areyouhungryforapple@reddit
I've literally owned and daily used AIO's for more than "a couple of years" (still do) so maybe im talking from experience and you're just yapping and parroting tired old bullet points?
Big_Training6081@reddit
That's a great argument there bud. Never mind the fact that half the posts on pc help are people asking why their CPU is hot and 99% of them are using AIOs. They are bullet points for a reason, they don't all fail early but it's VERY common for an AIO to fail after just a couple years. I've owned two AIOs and they both failed one after 6 months the second a little over two years, I switched to an air cooler and haven't had any issues in over 5 years.
Just because you haven't had any issues doesn't mean it's not an issue. And your personal experience isn't a large enough sample size to formulate any real data. You might as well argue that coins always land on heads because you flipped a coin 4 times and it landed on heads every single time, that must mean coins always land on heads. That's the logic you are using right now, see how dumb you sound?
Anyways I'm done arguing with a fanboy, air coolers are supreme in every way and I'm watching a movie and don't want to argue with a little fan boy who feels the need to defend AIOs based on personal experience. Go use Google and look up the real facts. there is real data on this that just a google search away.
areyouhungryforapple@reddit
Just when you thought someone had embarrassed themselves enough in this thread LOL.
same to you lil man. You just did the exact same but had to vomit words for three paragraphs to provide no argument nice one.
Try not cheaping out on components next time that might help.
Big_Training6081@reddit
Aww yes let's just skip over the part where I said half the posts in PC help are failed AIOs and let's just ignore the fact that there's actual data to back it up using this magical sight called google. Nice job quoting part of my reply to make yourself look better. My downvotes only prove there's a lot of AIO fan boys out there which I'll admit they look cool, but they aren't better. Now plz do some research or kindly piss off. Maybe go flip a few a few coins.
zenKeyrito@reddit
That’s enough internet for today, go take your medication.
The0ld0ne@reddit
This is like the Userbenchmark but for air coolers instead of Intel lmao
Julosch@reddit
do you have it top or front mounted? What are your temps?
F1R3STARYA@reddit
Top mounted, average is around 40 C
RendHeaven@reddit
What is your room temp?
F1R3STARYA@reddit
Usually keep the A/C on at 68 F, there is a vent right above my desk though and the room is generally colder.
BigOlYappers@reddit
What about under load?
SnooOwls6052@reddit
I have the LF II 420 in my main system, now with a 9800X3D. The AIO is overkill for this CPU, but I like it because the fans are barely audible while all cores are at 5425MHz and the CPU temp barely cracks 60C. I have 6 140mm x 30mm fans in push/pull configuration, which seems to help a little with temps and noise.
Check out the reviews for the Antec Flux Pro on YouTube, which meets your criteria. I like it a bit more than the Meshify 2, but the Meshify 2 is a great case.
Mightypeon-1Tapss@reddit
What 140mm x 30mm fans do you use on the push/pull config? I'm going to get a 420 soon and really would appreciate some fan recommendations.
SnooOwls6052@reddit
I have the Antec T3 140 fans, which are 30mm thick. I was planning on using Phanteks T30 140mm, but those have been "on the roadmap" for around 3 years now.
Arctic's P14 and P14 Max are 27mm thick, and the latter may be better as a radiator fan. I'd consider them if I needed more, but the T3s have been very good.
Firewt1@reddit
know it’s been a while, but was just wondering how you had the fan setup going? I know the case comes with a 5 fan header that has the case fans plugged in already (at least the mid tower version). Haven’t bought the 430 III yet but was wondering how i’d do this.
Also was wondering which fans you got for this setup
N0KTVRNAL@reddit
Do you currently run the 420 on the Antec Flux Pro? Im currently doing my new build with this case and the Freezer 3. Stuck between the 420 or 360. its like a 10 dollar difference and dont see any reason not to go with a 420, since the fans match the same size as the intakes on the flux pro.
ahdiomasta@reddit
Definitely +1 for the Antec Flux Pro, just got it a couple months ago and it is a fantastic case
op3l@reddit
Get a phantom spirit for 35 bucks and be done with it.
Colardocookie@reddit
People say this but I consistently see these not be able to handle a 7600x without going to 95c at full fan speed.
op3l@reddit
It's running at 95c because of how AMD designed the CPU not because it can't cool it. It has basically no power draw limit until it hits 95c.
The CPU also suffers no damage running at 95c.
Worried_Woodpecker23@reddit
It does suffers damage running @ 95C. It is actually very unhealthy for your CPU. Anything above 70C is considered high temperature and should be avoided if possible. 95C - extreme heat. Dont get me wrong, I do not say that CPU cannot operate at 95C, but it is not recommended, especially for prolonged workloads. It also impacts other surrounding components like CPU socket and motherboard PCB. High temps will lower your CPU lifespan and will accelerate degradation of both CPU and motherboard PCB. DYOR.
op3l@reddit
Ya but that's what the manufacturer set the CPU to run at and I'd be willing to bet plenty of people who don't know anything are just letting it run at 95c and never have any issues just the same there are people who have it running at 70c who have issues.
TalkyRaptor@reddit
That's how CPUs are designed, use all of the cooling available. Just turn off PBO if it is on and let it sit on a longer load and see how it does.
African_Farmer@reddit
You're limiting your fan speed to 50% and then complaining that a budget cooler can't handle the heat? Be serious.
Colardocookie@reddit
If it’s not locked to 60 max you’re hearing it a room over.
Suddensloot@reddit
These chips overclock though. Overclocking makes power skyrocket
thatmorningpoo@reddit
You got downvoted but this is the truth. PS120SE has the performance of the NH-D15 for a fraction of the cost. If OP is hellbent on an AIO, I guess the 360 because a 420 for a 9800x3d is just comical.
op3l@reddit
9800x3d is like 120w part can be cooled with a single tower cooler basically. Not sure besides aesthetic reasons why go for an AIO.
Laputa15@reddit
120W is not that easy to cool. Yes, it can be cooled with a single tower cooler, but an AIO produces less noise for the same cooling performance.
Soul1ess@reddit
How can AIO produce less noise if it has pump as well, witch makes noise vs air cooler witch only uses fans?
Faranocks@reddit
Pump noise is not really an issue, at the very least it's quieter than most fans running at 400-700 RPM. Just lower pump speed to 50% or so.
AIOs create less noise, as they allow for a more effective distribution of heat (sometimes, some AIOs compared to some tower coolers).
I've had an EK 280 AIO for years and never noticed the pump noise without intentionally creating a condition where I would hear it. I use it as I originally had a 5900x, which draws a lot more power than the 7800x3d I use now. My case is a SFF case which is not big enough/not designed to quietly cool a 5900x with a tower cooler. A 5900x is relatively low wattage, so I probably could have made some tweaks, but hey, it's my PC.
Soul1ess@reddit
Arctic Freezer for example does not allow setting pump speed manually.
Faranocks@reddit
What are you smoking?
From: Arctic Freezer III Spec sheet
Same with Arctic Freezer II
SmilingOwling@reddit
Would be funny to see 9800x3d run at room temp full load lmao
drsnowmon@reddit
Asking for technical advice on Reddit is not a good idea, that's not what Reddit is for.
TheeCntrlAltDel@reddit
I just installed my Arctic Freezer III 360mm AIO coming from ID-Cooling FROZEN A720 140mm Dual-Tower air cooler and honestly I'm disappointment. With a 9800X3D running Cinebench R23 within 15 seconds I'm at 85°C still climbing. With my air cooler I was peaking at 92°C after 10 minutes of Cinebench.
mo_bozzy@reddit
hey mate, wasnt you happy with the Frozn A720 or did you just want to try AIO? I have the A720 waiting for installation. Now having tested both, which one would you recommend, since they cost nearly the same.
TheeCntrlAltDel@reddit
I actually like the Frozn A720 very much. It handled my previous build 19-11900KF with an OC easily. It's just how this 9800X3D behaves. I managed to undervolt mine to PBO -40 CO and then I ran OCCT Large/Extreme preset for 6 hours and my temps were at 67°C with my Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360mm AIO.
I still recommend the Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360mm AIO. A lot of the people here are expressing their opinions about AIO. Generally it's correct for up to 280mm in size but at 360mm and above the AIO's will beat just about any dual tower cooler on the market including the NH-D15, especially scenarios where the ambient temp in the room is a bit higher as well as the peak temps.
In the GN review of the A720 on idle scenario with an OC'd 14900KF shows 60.8°C, same setup on Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360mm AIO shows 48°C. Better to just go by data and not anecdotes from people that just say things based on who-knows-what. I recommend digging into the data that GN has on this topic further and drawing your own conclusion.
mo_bozzy@reddit
Thanks for the extended answer, very appreciated! The only thing I am careful with is the damage that a defective AIO can do to the whole system - or at least the GPU, since it will leak most likely directly onto it. I have absolutely no clue how the probabilities are. From a cost perspective its nearly the same as A720 and I have more than enough space to even fit a 420 AIO... damn
Ok-Ruin4177@reddit (OP)
I kind of wish I went with the 420 as well. With upgraded fans and an aggressive fan curve my Arctic Freezer III 360 will keep the 9800X3D well below throttling even during stress testing but it is incredibly loud to do so. Fortunately noise is not a problem during gaming workloads. Also If I had bought the bigger case to use 420mm cooler it would have saved a ton of annoying (non cooler related) cable management issues as well.
DTReality@reddit
Came to this thread because I have similar question but found out people saying all sorts of things instead of answering what OP was asking.
Salty_Fly_9700@reddit
curious if anyone has used or thought of using the cpu water block from the liquid freezer 3 in a custom water loop setup. Meaning to remove the AIO and hoses and pipe the water block into a custom loop. assuming the threads are the right size to do so. haven't measured them yet to see. The purpose of doing this would be to still take aadvantage of the Vram fan on the waterblock. the liquid freezer 3 seems to have a good design with the offset mounting bracket for the am5 chipsets and the vram fan does lower those temps on my rig by a noticable amount. pretty sure i just answered my own question typing this because i realized the pump is in the waterblock and its 1. likely not strong enough to handle flow of a larger loop and 2. if paired with a d5 in a loop, not sure what would happen there....so, does anyone know if there are any custom loop specific water blocks out there that also have fans for vram?
op3l@reddit
If they're asking for AIO or air cooler... They aren't overclocking anything beyond turning on PBO
Emotional-Effort-477@reddit
The AIO hate here is funny.
I run a artic 3 360 on my 9800x3d. Quiet and cool. Temps are good. 40ish on idle. 50 on medium load low 60s when really cranked on some cpu intensive gaming.
TheFondler@reddit
The aversion to AIOs in this thread is because you can achieve nearly those same results with an air cooler on a relatively low power part like 9800X3D. It's not that AIOs are bad, it's just that they are a bad value for this category of CPU.
Suddensloot@reddit
You can overclock now so they would be useful
TheFondler@reddit
If you are overclocking, you probably aren't asking about build advice on /r/buildapc. I would go as far as to say that, if you need really basic advice on a cooler, you should maybe slow your roll on the overclocking. I don't want to discourage people from doing either or both, quite the opposite, but people should know what they are getting into before spending money or risking their hardware.
Suddensloot@reddit
You have a valid point there. That makes sense.
Zumazumarum@reddit
Do they provide the same delta t at the same noise level though? Shouldn't the AIO be able to move much more heat more efficiently, meaning lower rpms and noise? Not to say they also have a slower build up, so you don't get changes in speeds as instantly?
Or am I wrong in this?
mostrengo@reddit
With very high powered parts, sure. With such an efficient part as the 9800x3d, odds are you could not tell them apart from a tower cooler.
Zumazumarum@reddit
I think anything hitting over 70c would benefit from an AIO. My Arctic freezer II 280 is noiseless and keeping my 5600x at low 60c in burn mode. After 10-15min you can start to hear it, but it basically mean that most gaming situations you won't hear it.
Is it worth the 70usd? Depends how much you value silence
mostrengo@reddit
What is the advantage of being below 70c, let alone 60? You could just get a PS120 tower cooler and adjust the fan curves to get the same level of silence and performance.
TheFondler@reddit
To add to what /u/mostrengo said, AIOs (and water cooling more generally) has three advantages; the thermal capacity of the liquid itself, the potential to provide a higher surface area, and the ability to more optimally arrange that surface area to ensure a larger delta between the hot surface (the cooling fins) and the cold surface (the air).
Liquid, and especially water can hold more heat energy than air. Heat pipes leverage this to an extent, but their benefit is limited because it is a very small amount of water. Heat pipes can move small amounts of heat very very quickly, but saturate with a relatively low amount of heat (measured in Watts). Fluid water cooling systems are better for large quantities of heat.
Surface area plays perhaps the largest role in heat transfer, especially when transferring that heat to a low thermal conductivity medium like air. The volume of space directly over the CPU to fit cooling fins is limited by the size of the case and the presence of a GPU. Typically, the most you can reasonable fit is a dual 140mm tower, roughly the equivalent of a 280mm radiator. With water cooling, you can move the heat to a larger radiator with a larger overall cooling surface area, increasing the cooling capacity. If you are staying within the case, as is common with an AIO, this surface area is still usually limited to around a 420mm radiator, but with custom water cooling, the sky is the limit.
Finally, thermal transfer is a factor of the difference in temperatures between the hot side and the cold side. The larger the temperature difference, the greater the thermal transfer. In a dual tower air cooler, the first tower has a greater temperature difference than the second, meaning that the benefit of the second tower is lower. With a radiator, the full surface area has roughly the same temperature delta between the incoming air and its surface area. This generally means that, for the same surface area, you can move more heat with a radiator.
All of those things are going to increase your cooling capacity, but temperatures do not necessarily scale linearly with cooling capacity. If you have "enough" cooling capacity to dissipate a given heat load, the improvement in temperatures will become smaller with each additional "fan's worth" of cooling - aka "diminishing returns." At a certain point, doing something to improve heat transfer to a cooler could provide a larger benefit than increasing the total cooling capacity of that cooler.
belhambone@reddit
For most people they will never notice the noise difference, they'll never realize it's running cooler, and it won't impact performance at all.
If they are in a very quiet space, sure go with an AIO to keep things quiet, for most the PC will be much quieter than their heat or air conditioning.
If they do notice the fan noise, most likely it's because the fan curve is too aggressive. A constant louder noise will be much less noticeable than a constantly varying fan.
Ok-Ruin4177@reddit (OP)
Thanks, while I am very happy to have got many helpful replies I was not expecting this to be such a controversial question.
notthatguypal6900@reddit
No one hates AIOs, they hate that they cost 2x/3x/4x that of tower coolers for identical results. 99% of the time, they are just wastes of money.
flyingtiger188@reddit
I opted for an AIO for better space management and accessibility for motherboard components. Adding NVMEs, changing ram, replacing fans, etc nearly require fully disassembling the PC with a huge tower cooler. Everything is much easier to modify without that cooler blocking everything.
mostrengo@reddit
x> The AIO hate here is funny.
Nobody hates AIOs, but a 420 AIO for such an efficient part as the 9800x3d is just waste of money. And yes, we hate waste of money.
Leo9991@reddit
Arguing that much cheaper air coolers can do just as good a job is fine, but people go way further than that for some reason.
macncheesee@reddit
yeah its quieter (for a lot more money) but generally GPU fans are a lot louder so its moot.
Bearex13@reddit
I have one for a 9800x3d it idles at 34c-38c.
Under full load hasn't passed 68c.
The only time I've heard the fans get noticeably louder was during a stress test.
And it's a pain to mount.
goteamdoasportsthing@reddit
I went with a 420 for my 7800X3D in a Lancool 3, and it's always at 100% load. I'm not into RGB but I like the case. Easy to build in something larger, generally.
If you don't need to conserve that 10% larger footprint, you may as well go for the larger rad and case. Costs basically the same, at least for the cases I was looking at.
Will the thermals be lower? Not on that CPU. But the GPU will be cooler, given more airflow and fans in the larger case. Mine has 3x120 blowing upward directly to the GPU and 3x140 blowing horizontally.
In short, if you have a hot GPU, get the larger case and rad.
zlct@reddit
I don't get all these AIO hates here, I don't like having a huge tower fan in my case with 3 sided glass cover. I want the aesthetic and also the cooling performance and silence. If budget isn't a problem then why not? To the question, a 360 should be more than enough to cool a 9800x3d.
Stehlik-Alit@reddit
air cooling is sufficient, but if you're going to oc, and are choosing between the artic 360/420.... the 360 actually does better noise normalized. Check out Gamer's Nexus and Jays2cents reviews. I had the same question and went with the 360 due to better noise normalized thermals
Hungry-Application51@reddit
I have the Meshify 2 XL and a LFIII 420mm. Previoulsy i had the 13900k and it was the logical solutions to go bigger on the cooler wich worked really well.
When i bought the 9800x3d i tried a 360mm from Lian li but i could not stand the noise and the high temps on iddle. So i now use my 420mm wich is super quiet. I didn't try the 360mm from Arctic so i can't say anything about performance but if you end up buying the Meshify 2 XL why not use the 420mm ? You'll have plenty of space and a relativly easy cable management.
Only downside is you need a lot of real estate on the desk for this case.
Anyway, have fun building your machine !
Ok-Ruin4177@reddit (OP)
Thanks, you are one of the few people who tried to answer the question directly. Not that I don't also appreciate hearing of alternatives. I did come here for feedback after all. And yeah I am really looking forward to my new PC I have been wanting a proper gaming PC for years now.
Hungry-Application51@reddit
Hope you will enjoy it !
One more thing, depending on your mobo, the AF III might not fit. If you plan to buy one, i would recommend to check on the Arctic website if your mobo is compatible with their coolers.
I had to remove a heatsink on my Asus Rog Strix x870e-e to be able to fit the liquid cooler but to me it was worth it. I'm really noise sensitive ahah.
Antenoralol@reddit
Thermalright Phantom Spirit Evo will keep a 9800X3D cool and it's half the price of the Liquid Freezer.
VersaceUpholstery@reddit
Both are overkill. If you really want an AIO because “it looks cool”, then you don’t need anything more than a 240mm AIO. That’s still more than plenty.
Just like the phantom spirit everyone else is suggesting is also more than plenty
ItsRadical@reddit
I got completly opposite opinion. If you gonna waste money on AIO get 360 because that atleast got better performance. 240 are literally just gimmics, often with worse performance than air coolers.
VersaceUpholstery@reddit
Definitely not worse performance than the big air coolers. Right around the same or just barely beating it out at 100% fan speed.
Are you thinking of 120mm AIOs?
ItsRadical@reddit
No im comparing 240 AIO to two tower air cooler. What matterws the most in a cooler is surface area of the radiator, which in cases of the Thermalright PA or NH-15 is beating plenty of 240 AIOs.
Theres thermal capacity of water as a benefit of AIO but that helps only for a short while when the CPU is heating up. Once the water heats up evenly thru the AIO that benefit is gone.
Fans and fan speed doesnt matter, you can put the same fan on both to eliminate that variable.
rainbowclownpenis69@reddit
I have the 420. If the case allows it, get the 420.
Big_Training6081@reddit
Zero reason to even use an AIO unless OP just wants it for looks. A 420 is massive overkill 360 is more then enough. Throwing money away isn't a thing most people like to do.
Alewort@reddit
Not quite. I wanted to mount my watercooled GPU vertically but the tubes were blocked by my air CPU cooler. So there's at least one reason. There's also only an $8 price difference between the two.
Ok-Ruin4177@reddit (OP)
Yeah, the bigger case costs more than the difference between the 360 vs 420.
notthatguypal6900@reddit
Crazy that "don't waste your money" is getting downvoted. I'll never understand why this sub loves to overspend.
Role_Playing_Lotus@reddit
Seems like a lot of people on Reddit are fine with wasting money.
From my own experience, the two largest (or loudest) groups of people on here are either overspending in every department or they're using 10-year-old components and trying to squeeze by on a $20 upgrade somewhere in the system.
Those who shop smart and plan ahead (and are fortunate enough to save up in advance) are definitely a quieter group here.
I wish I had started watching Jason's PC Builder channel before my first PC build. That guy really dials in the balance of performance and spending, regardless of the budget. He builds and recommends PC builds that optimize performance without sacrificing on quality where it counts.
For the record, I agree that low cost, high performing twin-tower air coolers are the way to go for most builds. You get better value and product longevity with your money that way.
unluckyexperiment@reddit
Just get a silent air cooler. It will run forever without anything failing and it will be cheaper.
Ok-Ruin4177@reddit (OP)
I though AIOs were pretty reliable now. So long as it hold up to next upgrade cycle in 4-5 years or so and does not leak I am ok with it.
Anxious-Love-5800@reddit
I got a 360 on it. Would not go for a 420 (also fitment issues with a wider rad)..
The 360 is already overkill for this very efficient CPU.
Comparing the AIO to the 5800X with a Bequiet Darkrock4 Pro on it it is night and day. Obviously it is a completly different setup but it stays a lot cooler while pushing a lot more performance.
In Gaming the CPU takes around 60-80w so there is no need to cool it with an AIO. I did it for the nicer looks and easier handling on the motherboard. I cant access anything on there when having a big Aircooler installed.
Ok-Ruin4177@reddit (OP)
Yeah, being able to get to the top M2 slot without removing the cooler seems like a nice perk.
CryptographerNo450@reddit
The upgraded TjMax for the 9800X3D is 95C. So an air cooler is more than enough to cool off this CPU. But if you absolutely must go with an AIO and you are focused on an Arctic Freezer III, go with the 360 (or even 280mm). More than enough.
EroGG@reddit
You don't need an AIO, but if you want one either is fine.
AkitaSato@reddit
you don’t need a aio for the heat output of this chip so just pick whatever you like the most
scennersd3@reddit
is the thermalright peerless assassin 120 se good?
Role_Playing_Lotus@reddit
Yes.
I bought one for my cousin for his 5600X a year or two ago, and I put one in a build I made to sell last year, also with a 5600X.
Gamers Nexus reviewed it when it came out and showed in their tests how the cold plate contact seated extremely well against the CPU, allowing for excellent heat transfer to the radiator fins.
mostrengo@reddit
It's excellent, especially in terms of value.
Far_Tap_9966@reddit
I've never had good luck with arctic and I've have 4 or 5 of their aios so it's not like I didn't try. If you want the 420mm Corsair makes one that's pretty good
icepickmassacre@reddit
$40 dual tower cooler
PinkyPowers@reddit
I have it on my 7800x3D and hate it. It works fine, but the mounting was the most difficult thing I've ever done, in 30 years of PC building. When next I upgrade my CPU, I will switch out the AIO.
Jagick@reddit
I'd go with the 420mm if you can fit it. It is only SLIGHTLY more expensive than the 360mm but it will run slightly quieter and cooler. Larger fans can move more air and lower rpm. You probably won't really notice a difference between the two realistically speaking though.
The extra oomph may also help if you plan to overclock ever.
Guntter78NL@reddit
Arctic Freezer III 240 is already overkill for 9800x3d
BigoDiko@reddit
The 360 is all you would need. It's one of the best AIOs on the market and it's cheap as fuck in this category.
Revolutionary-Ad1106@reddit
I just built a PC a few weeks ago. I used the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 360 my temps while gaming are around 45C and lower than that on idle. It is a fantastic cooling solution. It also has three 120 mm fans in an Asus prime 201 case.
ShadowFenix@reddit
So I actually have an Arctic freezer 2 420 installed on my desktop with a 7800x3d. Absolutely overkill, but I wanted a silent system. That being said - you're going to have trouble finding cases that will actually fit it. Especially if you're looking for a specific orientation. I ended up having to front mount mine and it works just fine, but it gurgles occasionally when it's been off or idle for a while. But it's also stupidly quiet, which is what I wanted.... So no complaints here!
DogeTiger2021@reddit
I know every one say getba Air cooler or other things. But I recommend you the Aio 420mm because your cpu will run a lot cooler, a lot less noise, Arctic has 10 years warranty, you can re-use the Aio for a more powerful cpu in the future, it's a lot more easy to install and will not put any strain on your motherboard. Do I need to explain more ? Only benefits you have. Downside? Just 110 to 130 euros price, I don't think it's expensive for all the benefits.
HatefulAbandon@reddit
It’s 6 years warranty now. https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/14kiogq/has_anyone_noticed_that_arctic_silently/?rdt=58366
DogeTiger2021@reddit
On my box it's still written 10 years warranty when I buy it straight from their company. Maybe 6 years for the new version.
HatefulAbandon@reddit
What I’m saying is if you buy Arctic now it will have standardized 6 years warranty. I ordered ALF III 420 AIO and the warranty is 6 years.
q-milk@reddit
Take the $80 you will save with air cooling to upgrade your computer. Much better result
jaminvi@reddit
The AIO might be a waste. I am running a 7950x with pbo and no undervolt. I can hit around 200 watts draw before thermal throttle. Cooler is a frost spirit 140. I am in a office and it runs quite quiet. Case fans are louder the cpu fans.
I would like to have a 420mm rad, but it is only a marginal improvement on the hottest processor of amds last 3 gens.
The 9800x3d is far more efficient, so you could go much cheaper if you want. If you want water I would consider a 280mm or 360mm loop so you can do a smaller case.
420mm is likely overkill unless you were planning on using a huge case anyway.
sbuo@reddit
I first ran my 9800x3d with the phantom spirit and my temps were not got at all so I returned it and bought the arctic freezer III 240 and the temps are down 10+ c on load and 5 down on idle.
bifowww@reddit
I have Arctic Freezer II 280MM on much slower Ryzen 5600 and it barely reaches 55*C under load and 40*C on windows desktop. I think even the cheapest 20$ Arctic Freezer 36 CO will be good enough to cool any consumer CPU. Liquid cooling is overkill in most scenarios.
Logical_Strain_6165@reddit
When I was doing a rebuild recently I found I could get a 420 for less then the 360. What I also found is it limited my range of cases a fair bit, so I'd have ended up spending more in total.
Actually ended up going even cheaper and got a Thermalright Aqua Elite 3, which is around the same price as a decent air cooler. Works great.
cutlarr@reddit
yeah its a great AiO for a cheap price, running my 7800X3D with the AF3 360 and no issues, super quiet pump/fans and great temps.
rdrg66@reddit
Artic Freezer III installation is a bitch. If you are a newbie and this is your first time building a pc, I'd avoid this aio.
Air cooler. Easier to install, easier to clean.
rhettyz@reddit
Both are overkill, the 360 or 420 will not have a meaningful difference in thermals. I personally went with an arctic freezer III 360 for my 9800x3d, side mounted in case.
lichtspieler@reddit
I use my 9800x3D with a D15, here my 30 min Cinebench R23 with temps <80°C with 47% PWM fan speed: https://i.imgur.com/I7FRziG.png
You get slightly lower temps with CPU coolers that have the AM5 offset mounting option, since the hotspot is near the edge of the IHS and not in the center.
The stock CPU does hit 130-140W during all-core Cinebench R23 and while it will overheat with smaller AIR coolers, it is not really that much for the bigger coolers.
I would optimize airflow / CPU cooler choice for the gaming wattage if you care about the noise / temperature mix during gaming.
I use the D15 just because it doesnt block my case intakes or exhaust with a radiator - that I dont need to cool the CPU with barelly audible fan noise even during all-core-ussage.
For lower temps you need a good contact pressure over the hotspot, that a mounting topic mostly and the size of the cooler does not really help here.
crappysurfer@reddit
I use the 280 with my 14700k and temps are fine. If you’re trying to make the best build, you should get the largest your case can accommodate. The fractal north was the case I wanted and size is a bit of a constraint
Living_Pay_8976@reddit
I have the Deepcool ag400 but u also bought a week before they were sanctioned. It keeps the 9800x3d very chill even under load.
Big_Training6081@reddit
So does the $30 air cooler. Even under load of you'd believe it.
Living_Pay_8976@reddit
If you’d believe it, I paid less than $30 for it. Sooooo.
Big_Training6081@reddit
AIOs suck, don't waste your money and get an air cooler that will cool your CPU just as well and last 4x as long. Unless you are just dead set on the AIO because you like the looks of it. It's not going to make your CPU run any better.
mblunt1201@reddit
I have a 40 dollar air cooler on my 7900X, which has a TDP 50W higher than what you’re getting. It works great. You don’t need an AIO
Other_Ad_6621@reddit
I have a 5700x3d and it's amazing only reason I didn't get the 9800x3d is because of my mb compatibility
unabnormalday@reddit
Unless you have a heat pump for your room or ac constantly running, the cpu temp can only get as low as your room temp. Get what makes you happy
GUNN4EVER@reddit
take a look at the new Be Quiet light loop 360, it beats freezer III on temps benchmarks and you can refill the radiator which is a + for longevity.
MakimaGOAT@reddit
360 is more than enough
KirillNek0@reddit
360 should be enough.
Hungry_Reception_724@reddit
Niether, both are unnecessary unless you are planning on doing major overclocking. any 240mm 280mm or even big tower cooler will cool this no problem even with light overclocking.
Sukiyakki@reddit
u dont need an aio for the 9800x3d but if you still want one then a 360mm is plenty and has more compatibility for cases
littman28@reddit
If you feel you absolutely need an aio then 360 is more than enough. The nice thing about AMD right now is their CPU’s run fairly cool. A dual heatsink air cooler like the Thermalright Peerless Assassin works perfectly at a fraction of the cost.