"... and we'd like a seat in the non-smoking section, please."
Posted by happycj@reddit | GenX | View on Reddit | 108 comments
Driving with my wife yesterday, we were at a stop light waiting and had to put up the dog's back window in the car because someone next to us was smoking and the smoke came right into our car.
I don't think I know a single person who still smokes. So that smell that was a constant feature of public life - bars, restaurants, taxis, homes, movies, etc - is completely missing from my life now.
We both kinda laughed at "one person smoking in a car ten feet away from us made us put up the window to block the smell", but remember going out to restaurants? "Non-smoking section, please." Or flying on airplanes in the "non-smoking" section that was separated from the rest of the plane by ... a curtain? Or arriving at a party or whatever and people commenting on you smelling like smoke because the taxi cab driver was smoking?
Man. It was everywhere.
I remember when the indoor smoking ban went into effect in San Francisco back in the 1990s. I was playing shows in a couple of bands pretty regularly, and we were playing a show at a bar we'd always played at, and the vibe inside was WEIRD.
This was one of those clubs that smelled like beer, leather, and Marlboro Reds.
And here I was up on stage, and I could see all the way to the back of the club because the stage lights weren't being occluded by a cloud of smoke. And everyone was standing along the back wall of the venue. Twitching. Waiting for us to finish so they could bolt back outside for a smoke.
I don't miss that stench. But I do miss the smell of a well-worn leather jacket and all those smells getting into the leather ...
WalkingOnSunshine83@reddit
When I was a kid, my local newspaper published my Letter to the Editor about how smoking and non-smoking sections were a joke. Even today, I notice that smokers are very unaware of how far their smoke travels.
Commercial-Novel-786@reddit
Smokers are unaware about a lot of stuff. Their stupidity ranks first on that very long list.
Over the course of my life, I've known countless smokers. All but one, maybe two, were absolute idiots with money. I'm talking kindergarten "just write a check" mentality. Yet somehow they always had money for smokes. No power, no problem, water gets turned off, no problem, skipped rent, pay next month, no gas, will walk, but they always ALWAYS had coffin nails in their pocket. Made me crazy dealing with them.
Opposite_Score_2970@reddit
I wish you were around me, because this idiot would be only one leaving room ! who the fuck you think you are ? I know, your a piece of shit that runs your mouth. Well better look around
Ineedlunch72@reddit
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Roguefem-76@reddit
Facts. And then some smokers would be like "Wow, you must save so much money not having to buy smokes!"
Well you don't have to buy them either, genius.
SkepticalPenguin2319@reddit
Man, I grew up in a house that was always clouded in cigarette smoke. Mom was a chain smoker and dad about a pack a day. I think it affected my lungs/cardiovascular system in some way because I always had trouble running in the military. I don’t miss that smell at all.
Rikiar@reddit
You just described my life. I had to jump through hoops to prove I didn't have asthma because my breathing was so shit.
onthedownhillslope@reddit
My husband has a nice collection of heart stents. When #6 was being installed, his cardiologist said that the damage in his heart was likely due to smoking. We replied that husband has never smoked. The doctor said “I bet his parents did and that’s what caused the damage.” So yeah, there is a real chance that it did affect your cardiovascular system. And since husbands’ first heart attack was before he turned 50, I’d recommend everyone in this sub get regular checkups for this.
tuenthe463@reddit
My parents both smokers. Mom got a horrible flu when I was maybe 12 (mid 80s) and was in bed for DAYS and when she got up, she just decided to not resume smoking and told Dad he had to smoke outside. Dad kept smoking until he was in his early 50s then quit cold turkey on Great American Smoke Out day mom is now almost 80 and still going strong. Dad died at 67 from PanCan.
SkepticalPenguin2319@reddit
Oh man, sorry to hear bout your dad. Both my parents made it to 72. My dad died from a combination of COPD and diabetes complications. It was an ugly death. He didn’t quit smoking until he was on oxygen, then rode mom until she quit also. As soon as he died she started smoking again. Watched two of my aunts die from emphysema. Again, ugly deaths.
Ok_Cantaloupe7602@reddit
My mom is currently going through end stage COPD. She’s not smoking anymore now but she still smoked even when she was on oxygen.
SkepticalPenguin2319@reddit
Sorry to hear that. My best to you
ApatheistHeretic@reddit
I'm watching my father suffer from late stage emphysema... It's a shitty way to die I might not even wish on some of my enemies.
Ok_Cantaloupe7602@reddit
Yeah. It’s rough. I’m going through it with my mom right now. She still insists the real problem is the pulmonary hypertension she developed because of the COPD and not the COPD itself.
SkepticalPenguin2319@reddit
I’m very sorry to hear that.
Zardozin@reddit
Used to be you’d smell cigarettes and beer, and you could smell your clothing from the night before across the room in the morning.
After the ban, it smelled like piss and beer. A lot of places had to clean their bathrooms after that.
mythrowaweighin@reddit
In the late 70s, in common areas of buildings, and always in front of elevators, there would be ashtrays on two-foot tall pedestals.
In 2001, I went to the Exorcist re-release movie (originally released in 1972), and the audience cracked up at a scene where a doctor smoked a cigarette at a desk in his clinic.
dani_-_142@reddit
I only smoked for 2 years in college. I quit because I needed to have my tonsils out, and I was planning to get back to it, but realized I should take advantage of the fact that I’d stopped.
That was decades ago. But damn, I freaking loved smoking, and I still miss it!
MaximumJones@reddit
Smoking bans are one of the greatest things to ever happen in the world.
If you want to kill yourself so be it. But I should not ever be subjected to having to breathe in your second hand smoke.
UpDownCharmed@reddit
It's amazing too, that it happened relatively quickly - and completely within our lifetime.
A cultural sea change that I am incredibly glad about. There is hope for us.
I admit though - some of my best memories were smoking outdoors, sometimes in light snowy weather even, at this one job - way back. And at bars and clubs of course...
Quit cold turkey after only smoking lightly for 5 yrs
IceNein@reddit
As someone who smoked for 30 years, I am so sad to see that vaping is just as popular as smoking was when we were kids. We had this thing beat! We need to apply all the same rules and stigma to vaping as we did for smoking.
Prestigious_Chard597@reddit
I managed a convience store in a very small chain. My owner wanted us to carry Juuls. I refused. He dropped it. When he sold, the new owner said I had to carry them. So I kept them under the counter. When the rep made me put them out, I quit.
Cranky_Uncle@reddit
I'm not even supposed to BE here today! :)
therealstory28@reddit
My girlfriend sucked 37 dicks!
asscheese2000@reddit
In a row?
Cranky_Uncle@reddit
Hey You, Get Back Here!
tuenthe463@reddit
"Are you in my class?" "I am today!"
Cranky_Uncle@reddit
OH, GNARLY!!!
Improvident__lackwit@reddit
That’s ridiculous. You are absurd.
PharmerJoeFx@reddit
I truly admire you. So few people stick to their principles of right and wrong when pressured these days.
dingatremel@reddit
Absolutely agree. I was a light/moderate smoker for probably 15-20 years. Like everyone else, it was something I did because it made me feel cool and it gave me something to do with my hands if I was feeling socially awkward in a bar.
The amazing thing is that there is typically so much more resistance to public health measures. People wanted to riot over wearing face masks during covid. There are still bikers who complain about having to wear a helmet. Don’t get me started on vaccines.
But I honestly can’t remember anyone being all that angry about smoking bans. It’s almost as though we all knew it was a terrible habit that we secretly hated and wanted to stop.
ApatheistHeretic@reddit
My father still rants about indoor smoking bans because "they interfere with my freedom!"
BreakfastInBedlam@reddit
Bear in mind that smokers used to smoke indoors in a place I could choose not to enter. Now that they have all been pushed outside, I can't walk down the public sidewalk without being enveloped in a cloud of secondhand smoke.
I'm all for eliminating smoking, but there are always unforeseen consequences.
ElectrifiedCupcake@reddit
Oh, hooray. Let’s have more rules. Everything’s just so dangerous. Let people tell you what you can’t do.
Improvident__lackwit@reddit
But but but I want to go into bars and poison myself with alcohol without smelling yucky smoke! I couldn’t possible make my own decision and respect the decision of tavern owners!
Improvident__lackwit@reddit
Total disagree. Nobody was forcing you to go into bars and restaurants and breathe in second hand smoke.
The smoke ban was good for me but on principle they are awful. If the business owner wants to allow smoking it should be his or her prerogative. Everyone else can make their choice as to whether they want to go inside.
GreatGreenGobbo@reddit
Except now we just smell pot everywhere in urban areas where it's legalized.
Affectionate_Board32@reddit
I definitely recall feeling horrible for Christopher Reeves wife back then.
WalkingOnSunshine83@reddit
Preach!
Crooked_crosses@reddit
My 23 yo daughter says smoking is making a comeback with kids her age, ug
tuenthe463@reddit
Always amazed when I see a smoker under like 50 years old. Just, why?!?
DangerKitty555@reddit
Because I want to, that’s why.
Fury161Houston@reddit
I remember the plexiglass cubicles in the airports for smokers. All yellowed and hazy.
haz_waste@reddit
Occasionally I'll smoke a cigar. But I smoke at home in my back yard.
happycj@reddit (OP)
I’ve smoked cigars in the proper environment… a friend has a winery, and sitting on the raised deck, overlooking the vineyards, in the later summer … maaaaan … a nice Cuban is perfect!
haz_waste@reddit
That's a great way to relax and enjoy life!
DeFiClark@reddit
In the early days of smoking bans on flights and airports you’d walk out of the airport into a fog and 100 smokers lighting up at once.
The non smoking seats on planes were always at the back by the galley and lavatory and you were still breathing second hand smoke the whole time, just not from the person next to you.
Putting away a wool coat after a night at the bar and opening the closet in the morning to find everything stinking of smoke. Glad this is a thing of the past.
happycj@reddit (OP)
I used to hang my leather jacket up in the garage after a night out. Let it air for a while and then it'd be wearable again.
the_answer_is_RUSH@reddit
The smoke ban was awesome. I remember there was one bar in north beach that still had smoking because of the loophole that if the workers were all owners they could allow smoking. I forget the name of it now. But after a while that was the weird place and I fucking hated going there.
happycj@reddit (OP)
I remember that too!
the_answer_is_RUSH@reddit
Do you remember the name of the bar? It’s driving me crazy now. It was a door or two down from a strip club.
happycj@reddit (OP)
No, can’t remember the name of that one.
The bar I played at was down hill from the Condor Club about 1 block. Started with an “m”, I think? Someone’s name?
Roland__Of__Gilead@reddit
My gf is the only person I know who still smokes. I never did, but most of my friends did. The last holdout quit at the beginning of covid and hasn't looked back, so it's just her now. To her credit, she doesn't smoke in the condo or in either of our cars, and I never smell smoke on her clothes or breath.
rels83@reddit
One time my parents messed up and we ended up sitting in the smoking section of the plane. They were able to sit us in the front row of the smoking section so we were right next to the nonsmoking section
brainshreddar@reddit
I've got two long time friends (25+ years). Both of them chain-smoke cheap cigarettes. I love them both, but I don't see them nearly as much of them as I should because they stink so badly. (The cheap cigs do actually smell far worse than the pricey ones, in my opinion.)
MowgeeCrone@reddit
I was recently surprised at being surprised by seeing a discarded cigarette butt on public property.
Plastic-Sentence9429@reddit
My parents used to get the first seats in smoking on a plane, and the last seats in non smoking for my sister and I. Because that worked.
Head_Effect3728@reddit
When I smell cigarettes today, there's definitely a nostalgia element to it. I don't miss it though. I remember restaurants where you could sit in a back-to-back booth where one was smoking and one wasn't, and most people didn't find it all that ridiculous. It amazes me how many people smoke today with concrete evidence that it will indeed kill you.
Hoppie1064@reddit
It was like swimming in the non-pissing end of a pool.
Head_Effect3728@reddit
As long as it was roped off
happycj@reddit (OP)
The nostalgia it triggers is very real! Funny for an unpleasant thing to trigger positive memories.
Greentigerdragon@reddit
I remember the curtain separating sections of an airliner from about 1980.
Jump forward to 1998 and I've flown from Melbourne to Jakarta - smoke-free plane.
Take a domestic flight within Indonesia a few days later and it's not just cigarette smoke, but kretek smoke that's drifting through the cabin.
(Kretek are a type of cigarette blending tobacco and cloves).
happycj@reddit (OP)
Oooh. Very goth, with the clove cigarettes!
Greentigerdragon@reddit
Hahah!
TIL that Indonesia has a goth scene (I shouldn't be surprised, really)!
Probably don't feature clove smokes, though - they're all over the place, there. I wonder what the counter-culture would be, in that regard?
Barbarossa7070@reddit
My dad would hot box us with Marlboro Reds. If we complained, we got a look and then he’d begrudgingly roll the window down an inch.
And when I got my first job out of college, my office shared a wall with one of our office building’s smoke rooms. My door opened such that it touched that wall and my coat that I’d hang on the back of the door reeked of smoke. My wife at the time accused me of stopping at a bar on the way home.
Skatchbro@reddit
Nowadays it’s the smell of marijuana. Not as much, of course, but it’s still out there.
happycj@reddit (OP)
The nice thing is that people don't smoke as much weed as they did tobacco. So even if you do smell it, it's only for a moment and then it's gone.
Hoppie1064@reddit
You won't walk into a restaurant and be unable to see the back wall because of Marijuana smoke, like it used to be when cig smoking was allowed in restaurants.
JackTrippin@reddit
Dump the smelly flowers and get a weed vape pen. It's a million times more discrete.
Prestigious_Chard597@reddit
Vegas .... The city smells like it's been hot boxed.
BillDuki@reddit
Yeah, I know more people who smell like weed than cigs nowadays. Hell, I met my daughter for lunch a while ago, and I made a comment about the server smelling like weed. She said “it’s probably me, but it may be her too”.
FullWoodpecker1646@reddit
Are smokers allowed to smoke fucking anywhere now?
Pinchaser71@reddit
No they aren’t but for whatever reason Vape’ers think they are exempt. They say “I’m not smoking I’m vaping!” 🤔
AardSnaarks@reddit
Body memory unlocked: Shoney’s 1987.
AshDenver@reddit
I still smoke.
Old_Till2431@reddit
Former chain smoker 👋🏽👋🏽 I miss the smokes... don't miss the cough.
Bac7@reddit
We moved a few years ago, into a county that doesn't have a smoking ban.
I was shocked - SHOCKED, I TELL YOU - to walk into a local place and they legit asked if i wanted the smoking or non-smoking section. I didn't know that was still a thing. Ashtrays on the tables and everything.
I'm used to smelling weed everywhere i go here, which should probably shock me, since it's not legal in my state, but the smoking in bars still throws me every time.
jenorama_CA@reddit
When we moved to New Mexico in the mid-90s they still had smoking sections in the restaurants. And the path to the restroom always went through it!
happycj@reddit (OP)
WOAH. I didn't know that still existed anywhere in the USA. Do you mind mentioning where it is? State?
Grafakos@reddit
12 US states still allow smoking in restaurants, at least at the state level (some municipalities may have bans). More or less the ones you would expect: Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Virginia, West Virginia, and Wyoming.
ngraham888@reddit
Movie theaters use to have those swivel ashtrays in the seat handles!
Grafakos@reddit
That's where I would put my used gum as a kid.
425565@reddit
In college, professors routinely smoked pipes in class and some would join students in the hallway for a smoke break.
GenXrules69@reddit
I know what you mean. I was a bartender late 80s into 90s...when you could be 18 and tend bar...It was part of life. Now I cannot stand the smell.
oopswhat1974@reddit
I've never smoked and I am one of those admittedly horribly obnoxious anti-smoking non-smokers.
Having said that, it's funny to think about how back then, it was just "part of life" as you said. We'd work in restaurants in the smoking section, then after work we'd go out to bars where everyone was smoking... And didn't really think anything of it.
DohDohDonutzMMM@reddit
How would you like a nice greasy burger served in a dirty ashtray? Bwahahaha. -Chet
External-Pickle6126@reddit
I still smoke. I remember when the smoking bans went into effect in this town. It was like our own 9-11.
joanarmageddon@reddit
What kind of music did you play?
I have always been repulsed by cigarettes, but hung out until dawn in punk clubs in Philly and NYC in the 80s and 90s. The drugs made it tolerable, I guess.
happycj@reddit (OP)
At first I was mostly playing 80s metal. Sabbath, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, etc. Lots of weed and coke in that community. But then I got into a broader class of sounds from growing up in the community that spawned grunge in Seattle, and then moving to SF and connecting up with the Primus type of funk-metal community, and finally full on funk and groove bands that were like modern day Blues Brothers, I guess. Elvin Bishop. James Brown. Etc.
RCA2CE@reddit
I smoked when I was young and quit like 20 years ago, I can still smell smoke a mile away. If someone is smoking in a car way up in front of me I smell it. It’s like I’m allergic to it now.
Suzbaru13@reddit
Went to the midwest in May of this year and so many people still smoke! Walked into a bar in Indiana and it sorted smelled faintly of smoke and figured they left the smoker door open or someone just recently walked in after having a smoke. Then 2 people lit up right next to us, we couldn't get out of there fast enough.
I thought it was a federal ban for smoking in restaurants and bars (so naive originally being from CA). I remember when the smoking ban went into effect for bars in '98 or '99 in CA and it became the norm. Then moved to CO in '03 was surprised by smoking in bars not a ton of people smoked but they still did and some places had already implemented no smoking (how quickly you can adjust to changes like no smoking inside), luckily CO banned it in '04 or '05 for all rest/bars and I started being able to go to more bars.
Suzbaru13@reddit
I also don't miss cigarette burns in clothing from careless drunk people swing their lit cigarettes everywhere. That's right I'm still bitter about a brand new patagonia jacket that I wore into the SF hard rock cafe and it got promptly burned while walking up to the bar. lol
LittleMsLibrarian@reddit
One of my aunts used to smoke while driving my friends and me around. She'd crack the window and cackle evilly when we complained.
She died about 10 years ago, and on the anniversary of her death someone goes to the cemetery and leaves a pack of cigarettes and a Pepsi on her grave.
JakInTheIE@reddit
I guess I'm one of the few that actually likes the smell of cigarette smoke. I smoked for like 10 years and quit at about 30. I loved everything about smoking: buying a new pack, packing the hell out of it, ripping off the foil, lighting up, inhaling. If it weren't for all the absolutely heinous things it does to your body I'd still be doing it.
Tinawebmom@reddit
I'm a smoker.
I have never allowed smoking in my home. It's disgusting.
Went to reno to see Prince kick off what would end up being his final tour. Stayed in circus circus. Asked for a non-smoking room.
Walked into the hotel lobby with two friends. I immediately covered my nose and was so dismayed. I asked my friends, "what the hell is that awful smell?!?!"
They laughed at me and told me, "cigarette smoke!"
The floor we were on was non-smoking. It didn't matter. Smoke was everywhere. It was disgusting.
I hate smoking. I think it's disgusting, filthy and harmful.
I begged my kids to be smarter than I was and never even try smoking.
They all smoke pot. Not one smokes tabacco. So a win in my book.
I've tried every way of quiting. I managed to get down to one cigarette per day taking chantix just as my then husband and I separated. I was so hopeful I would quit that time. Then I was finished with chantix and almost immediately went back up to a pack a day.
It's a horrid addiction.
Haunting-Tower-1057@reddit
Nostalgic thoughts of smoking on the plane to cadet camp, and the smoking pit - I was supposed to have a note from my parents because I was under 16, but I convinced them to let me smoke 'cause my birthday was two weeks away.
Spending more time at the smoking pit at school rather than at class
I'm glad I don't smoke anymore but sure do crave it at times. Have been known to sneak on occasionally 😄
One_Net_8642@reddit
That was probably a closet smoker lol. My small town I live in there are a butt load of non smokers ....but check em out going down the road in the cars, they're smoking lol
happycj@reddit (OP)
Unless it is a leased vehicle. You'll see them in parking lots with the door open, leaning out and holding the cigarette outside, like that'll make a difference when it comes time to assess trade-in value.
No_Ask3786@reddit
I remember Rudy’s in Hell’s Kitchen really cleaning up after the NYC indoor smoking ban, because for the first time in decades you could see it and you could smell it.
TheGirlwThePinkHair@reddit
Both of my parents smoked so I always had to sit in the smoking section. Ugh
Oh__Archie@reddit
I smoked in high school and pretty sure my parents never knew because if I came home smelling like smoke it meant I just went to a restaurant or a movie theater where smoking was allowed.
B_Williams_4010@reddit
There never was such a thing as an indoor No Smoking section until there were no longer indoor Smoking sections. You could still smell it throughout the whole place. I am against mandated smoking bans, though. Let people vote with their dollars and decide for themselves whether to patronize establishments that allow indoor smoking.
ted_anderson@reddit
I was watching old home movies that my grandparents filmed back in the 70s and 80s. In just about every scene all of the adults had a lit cigarette in their hand. I saw my relatives smoking while preparing food, while holding babies, while filling the lawnmower with gas, and while using an asthma inhaler.
Oh, and lets not forget how there were ashtrays everywhere. In fact I remember making ashtrays in art class. I don't know how we survived with the conflicting messages because we were told to never start smoking and we were supposed to go home and tell our parents to stop smoking.. but then the next week we would be bringing home an ashtray to give to our mothers.
happycj@reddit (OP)
heh. I never made the connection between making ash trays in art class at school, and the anti-smoking campaign we lived with every day of our lives. Mixed messages much? :-)
Schmoppodopoulis@reddit
Smoking in bars is the ONLY thing I miss about living in Las Vegas.
Fluffy-Match9676@reddit
The other day I was at a restaurant and almost asked for the non-smoking section. WTF.
There was a bar I liked to hang out at before smoking bans that was too small to have a non-smoking section. No matter how late I got home, I always had to take a shower because my hair absorbed all the smell.
I remember asking for the non-smoking section in a restaurant and being sat at a table in the non-smoking section right next to a table in the smoking section.
GuyFromLI747@reddit
I quit smoking 15 years ago and the smell is horrible .. there has been a smoking ban here in ny since the 90s but I remember going to a charity concert in jersey after Katrina in a bar and I was shocked they still had smoking in bars end of 2005 maybe 2006.. saw staind and first time ever seeing taproot
jessek@reddit
I don’t miss it at all. I used to have a jacket dedicated for going out to bars and concerts because it permanently reeked of smoke.