Does this feel like the "quiet before the storm"
Posted by No-Understanding-357@reddit | preppers | View on Reddit | 344 comments
What do you think would happen if Russia detonates a low yield nuclear device in Ukraine today. What would be the trickle down effect felt locally. Besides a run on supplies and fuel. Maybe a shutdown of shipping and interstate transportation. Power grid shutdowns, supply shortages. Myself, I would be caught with my pants down. We are cycling out old fuel and food and restocking slowly. My fuel supply is down from about 50 gallons to 6 gallons of super old gas.
MTdevoid@reddit
Biden is testing Putins resolve two months before leaving office. He would endanger humanity because UKRAINE wanted entry to the UN. He is an idiot and traitor to his country.
JunkDepartment@reddit
Ukraine has already been a member of the UN for decades, you are the idiot and traitor.
Finkufreakee@reddit
Sounds like your a prepper that didn't prepđ¤ˇ. I don't think it matters what brings the emergencies, we try to prepare for worst case scenario. Good thing you have 6 gallons of old fuel...most people don't have any.
FloatMurse@reddit
I'm going with it's a nothing burger til Russia actually does something stupid. Now, if he lobs a nuke at Ukraine, then I'd get worried. Because if he does, nato will go hard on Russia. Which might lead to an "escalate to de-escalate" kind of situation. If a nuke goes off in Ukraine, I'd probably take the rest of the week off and get any last minute stuff done that I needed to get done.
-rwsr-xr-x@reddit
If that happens, we're done. Putin has already publicly said "A world without Russia does not need to exist.", in the context of MAD, and him wiping the entire planet clean of all life, if he thinks that anyone would eradicate Russia from the global landscape.
kingofthesofas@reddit
This is pure anecdotal but I know someone that served in the Soviet nuclear forces at a decently high level and he was adamant that the people in charge would never use them regardless of Putin's orders unless they were under nuclear attack themselves. He said this was well understood in the officer core due to them all having families and no one being willing to risk it for Putin or Ukraine. I am not sure how much credibility to give it but it seems logical enough.
ThunderboltSorcerer@reddit
Dictators always think they have complete authority, but they actually don't.
Dictators rely more on having everyone around them afraid of them and their power and any day their power can end simply by subordinates growing a spine and standing up to them.
lelarentaka@reddit
From reading the Dictator's Handbook book, it seems that dictators more than anyone else are aware of their reliance on a set of core supporters, because their hold on power is often adhoc and not constitutional.Â
On the other hand, leaders of democratic regimes are the ones that would delude themselves into thinking that they are independently powerful, because the democratic process abstracts away the concept of the people's support into some simple numbers (vote counts).
ThunderboltSorcerer@reddit
Sure. Self-delusion is common among elitists... Whether they are dictators or people elected through some sort of lack of merit.
CypherCake@reddit
Yeah, well, mutually assured destruction is still a thing right? I would hope most people with access to those things think the same way.
Wild-Lengthiness2695@reddit
There is of course many around Putin who do want to exist , not least his ogliarch pals. Should decide on MAD or scorched earth then I suspect he wont get that far
htpSelect309@reddit
What if those ogliarchs believe they have no way out as well? What if they believe that a collapsed Russia means they are gonna lose their wealth and positions of power as the West and Ukraine fleece them for all their worth? US and other countries have already seized assets from these ogliarchs, sure I bet a fair bit is showmanship and the real wealth has barely been touched, but if Russia loses in Ukraine then a fair bit of capitulation on Russia's side that will hit the real wealth and power.
What if public opinion becomes negative enough to lead to any real populace outcry that they cant control, maybe even a partial military coup? These people saw what happened to the Romanovs. The majority that can will split, thus losing any power they have in preventing Putin from pressing the button, and the few who stay are just as diehard/crazy as Putin, or cant run and will likely be more open to ending it all as a last ditch effort as they probably have a seat in a bunker anyways. A populace cant hang you if they are dieing from radiation sickness outside your underground bunker.
Acceptable_Noise651@reddit
I wanted to say the same thing! Plenty of his pals love the luxurious lifestyle theyâre accustomed to and I have no doubt that Putin would accidentally shoot himself in the head three times while falling out a window.
DisastrousLab1309@reddit
And those pals ended up in penal colonies, had a plane failure or fell out of a window if they crossed the line.Â
Joey_jojojr_shabado@reddit
Yes in a vacuum. NATO attacking fills the vacuum
Useful_Hovercraft169@reddit
He can sip on that Polonium Tea
irrision@reddit
Putin isn't interested in dying. You're over estimating his nihilism.
Busy-Director3665@reddit
NATO wouldn't destroy Russia if Russia drops a nuke on Ukraine. NATO would destroy every Russian military asset outside of Russia's UN recognized territory, and probably also launch airstrikes on navel and air bases inside Russia. But I doubt NATO would set foot in Russia, or in anyway threaten Russia's existence.
randynumbergenerator@reddit
My money is on ground troops in Ukraine (but not on front lines) and Zelenskyy winning the WarMart shopping trip of a lifetime, plus some combo of what you said.
Accurate-Mess-2592@reddit
It would be too late. As soon as it hit and it was general knowledge there would be a run on supplies
ChudieMan@reddit
I live in CT. Iâd be superfucked if things escalated to full intercontinental nuclear war. There are so many targets in the northeast. I might as well sit in my house then and pet my dog and wait to die.
pappabearct@reddit
Maybe northwestern CT is safer than the shoreline.
https://www.webpal.org/SAFE/state/CT/ct_nuclear.htm
https://www.nuclearwarmap.com/targetlist.html
ChudieMan@reddit
Wow. That list is amazing.
ommnian@reddit
If it does happen I just hope they wait till my lambs are in the freezer.Â
longhairedcountryboy@reddit
Better still breathing and eating than in a freezer with no power.
ommnian@reddit
Only if you aren't the one paying to feed them đ
WxxTX@reddit
You would not get a week, it will be a planned fast response in 5min
randynumbergenerator@reddit
Wdym? No one's going to hit the big red button within five minutes of a nuclear device going off in Ukraine. There will be some kind of conventional buildup and investigation.
Mandelvolt@reddit
I could imagine some long forgotten piece of DeadHand detecting the explosion in UK and launching a counterattack. There are tons of old MAD systems online, and I'm sure at least a few aren't fully accounted for in the books.
ArcyRC@reddit
True, this specific example ain't gonna happen because Russia is dead (economically) as soon as their war ends, whether they win or lose.
jar1967@reddit
China will cut Russia off. They made a clear, they would not tolerate the use of a nuclear weapon.
MegC18@reddit
Keep an eye on the weather. Do we think Russia would nuke Ukraine when the (prevailing) wind would carry radioactive clouds over its own territory, or when it would head towards Europe (which was the case in Sweden after Chernobyl).
Thereâs an interesting wiki article on the dispersal of Chernobylâs radiation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_Chernobyl_disaster?wprov=sfti1#
stoned609to904@reddit
No.
Femveratu@reddit
Iodine pills. GONE. Like after Fukushima. So get âem now if you think theyâd be useful for you
Ornery_Buy_9078@reddit
I will be down voted so much but here goes. I understand your prepping but what most people are not realizing is the the "mad,max" will start. You ask why. Because most of the survivors will be people that have chaotic lifes and are used to change on the fly. Most are criminals, poorly controlled young, and can make changes in their lives fast. You are not.. Most preppers think you can live in your will controlled world . Once these people find out about your prepping you are dead. Neighbors will take advantage and when you help them once again you are dead. You are thinking more about food ect but you will need to take care of you.
LaserGuidedSock@reddit
Man things are getting spooky.
I know Russia is more bark than bite but after listening to an audiobook book of One second after, I'm worried not about a nuclear attack on the soil but rather an air burst to make an EMP blast.
TangeloEmergency9161@reddit
thatâs such a good book, i gave it to my dad who doesnât read at all and even heâs deep into itÂ
Luvz2Spooje@reddit
Nah
WizardMageCaster@reddit
Why would Russia do that? To see if anyone responded?
What do you think China would do if Russia did that? I cannot imagine that China would support that.
I highly recommend you read a book called "Nuclear War" by Annie Jacobson. It's a brilliant book that talks about what happens during a nuclear war. It's not the nuclear bombs that kill you, its the non-stop fires that spread after the fact because there is no fire department to fight it.
Devastation. Mass death. Terrible air quality. Everything burns away and nothing is left. No plants. No animals. No sunshine because of the smoke from the fires.
I wouldn't want to survive that. If Nuclear War really starts, just hug your family.
Jima2323@reddit
Just finished, it is a must read. Terrifying
traplords8n@reddit
Russia threatens to nuke half of Europe before most people eat breakfast on any given day. I'm not afraid to call their bluff.
Tensions HAVE escalated, so I'm not throwing it off the table, but Russia is far more bark than bite, so I'm not really worried.
Fheredin@reddit
It's mostly that after several generations living with nuclear weapons, it has become intuitive to most people that the correct game theory response is to ignore the nuke. There are very few cases when having a nuke actually changes the correct response, but it does make people stop and double check their reasoning.
It's my educated guess that this slow boiling the frog strategy that the US is using by slowly escalating what they let Ukraine do has absolutely nothing to do with giving deference to Russia's nuclear arsenal and everything to do with that being the most effective way to bleed the conventional Russian military into the ground.
RiggsFTW@reddit
Agreed. I believe that to be the whole point of our arming Ukraine. The way itâs been done so far may not be the most⌠moral⌠strategy, because it relies upon Ukraine to take significant losses, but it is certainly an effective one for our (current) national interests.
BuffaloKiller937@reddit
You're a gd genius. I've been wondering what Biden and the US actual gameplan is. This makes perfect sense.
mittenedkittens@reddit
Sullivan and Biden are far more afraid of a Russian collapse as a result of a total defeat than they are a Ukrainian loss. Biden almost always chooses the safe option in foreign policy, and allowing Ukraine to lose, but at a cost to Russia, is definitely that. Thereâs more to it, for sure, but I think the fear of Russian collapse is what drove their policy.
avoral@reddit
Oh dang, that makes a lot of sense.
Syphox@reddit
how do i get this mindset. iâm beyond nervous of this situation now. i wasnât before.
PeanyButter@reddit
At the end of the day, the Russian oligarchs can't enjoy their yachts as is. If Putin tried to nuke something, they'd probably remove him from power. Immediately. I think there is a chance they will do so already.
ChudieMan@reddit
Iâm nervous too. Itâs scary to think about what could happen. But although Putin is a âmadmanâ (meaning he has no problem killing political foes) he is not insane, and I donât think he wants to end the world â and his nationâ over land in Ukraine he will be getting soon anyway.
Dry_Comfortable_6989@reddit
Rest assured that if the Russian nuclear forces perform as horrifically as their other military forces in Ukraine it will not happen or fail. Besides they donât want what we got. (Former MMIII missileer)
GreasyThought@reddit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_risk_during_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
Look how many red lines have been crossed with no nuclear exchange. Â
These threats are the death rattle of a dying regime.
traplords8n@reddit
Look at the historical tendency of Russia threatening to nuke everyone & never following through with it.
Like literally it's that simple. They're constantly moving the line in the sand and we've constantly crossed their lines in the sand, nothing ever happens.
That's not really a garuntee of safety, but nukes are way more useful as a threat than a weapon. In my opinion, Russia won't commit themselves to mutually assured destruction until NATO is knocking on the doors of Moscow
Emotional-Rise5322@reddit
They wonât do shit until after orange rapist fool takes office.
less_butter@reddit
Lots of people will panic and hoard supplies from grocery stores. I'll chill at home until shit calms down. The reason I prep is so I don't have to go out and about when people are panicking.
MT-Kintsugi-@reddit
Toilet paper will be the first to go.
Look back 5 years ago to the beginnings of Covid
SoTriggered193@reddit
Didnât you hear it was because everyone was using the consumer grade toilet paper? Rather than pooping at work (quarantine), they were all at home rocking Charmin Ultra.
MT-Kintsugi-@reddit
That wasnât the case 6 weeks ago with the longshoreman strike.
t53deletion@reddit
Only because not one person who helped empty those shelves understood that practically every paper product is made domestically and never sees the inside of a cargo ship.
Idiocy at its finest.
dedragonhow@reddit
Or that you can literally use a sock to wipe your ass then wash it.
t53deletion@reddit
We're not there, yet.
(In my best Homer Simpson)
chillintoday@reddit
This^
wakanda_banana@reddit
Missoula? I didnât notice any difference in MT
CypherCake@reddit
If I recall correctly. the TP panic buying started before the lockdowns in my country. It was like some weird brain-virus that turned everyone into TP-zombies.
We weren't particularly well stocked in general but fortunately we had Costco levels of TP and a few non-perishables. Removed a lot of stress.
SimpleVegetable5715@reddit
There was a toilet paper run this year too because of that port strike. I only knew about it because I work at a big box store. Toilet paper is produced domestically. The port workers will continue their strike in January, btw. Imported items like fruit, car parts, and electronics are what will be affected. Get any vehicle repairs done now.
East-Caterpillar-895@reddit
I work in a grocery store and for more than a week we couldn't get avocados or oranges. That was just a few days of striking. We had to raise our prices on fruit at least 3 times.
M1Firehawk@reddit
Installed a bidet seat on every toilet in the house after that mess. No longer care about TP shortages. Lol
Tim72samsunghealth@reddit
90 rolls here. Bought 2 huge packs right after it became available again during covid.
Gustomaximus@reddit
This was great point during the early days of COVID. At that point we didn't know how dangerous it was or not.
Most people were rushing to supermarkets to stock up, right when you really dont want to be in big crowds. Was nice to avoid that while things played out more.
ToiletTime4TinyTown@reddit
Exactly, every week on my shopping trip I grab one or two things. Hardest part is always remembering to pack everything up and away and not let it pile up in my truck.
Phalphala@reddit
Make sure you have enough popcorn
WeirdSysAdmin@reddit
I knew I missed something when I added 2 pounds of powdered butter in a #10 can.
Dananddog@reddit
You're gonna need a lot of popcorn
ommnian@reddit
Check!!
Additional-Stay-4355@reddit
EXACTLY! I've experienced how awesome it is to be fully stocked up before and shortly after a hurricane. So many yahoos fighting over dumb shit and mile long lines at the gas station.
We can sit back, crack an "emergency beer" and watch the tom foolery.
Low_Beautiful_5970@reddit
Bingo!
cappyvee@reddit
They are buying what we already have; we can then go buy what we forgot!
drkstar1982@reddit
Putin will not use any kind of nuclear weapon. No nation will allow him to get away with it. He just likes to scream about it because he thinks it scares people.
TheRealBunkerJohn@reddit
Do not underestimate the desperation of a tyrant. Saying "it'll never happen" is the common cry of an eventual victim. Follow the money, not what they say. And in this case, they are pouring millions into bomb shelters. Ergo, worth tracking.
dittybopper_05H@reddit
We have historical precedent here: Adolf Hitler.
Hitler had a super weapon that the Allies didn't have a clue about: Nerve agents. He could have used it to halt the Red Army juggernaut in the East, and to throw the Allies off the Normandy beaches in the West, and there is nothing that could have stopped him from doing so. At least, not until the Atomic bomb was ready.
Except one thing: His intelligence agencies (mainly the Abwehr IIRC) tried to find out if the Allies had nerve agents, and they couldn't find anything in the open literature about organophosphate pesticides, the precursor of nerve agents. So they assumed the Allies had classified all that research.
Thing is, it wasn't in the open literature in the West because no one was looking into organophosphates.
But they duly reported to Hitler that the assumption was that the Allies had nerve agents just like Germany did, and Hitler's hand was stayed from using them because of the fear of retaliation in kind.
Even drug addled, paranoid, "Germany has failed me!" megalomaniacal 1945 Hitler wouldn't use them.
After Hitler killed himself and Germany surrendered, the Allies were shocked to discover Tabun and Sarin, two early nerve agents, had gone into industrial production and they had a stockpile of tens of thousands of *TONS* of agents where a mere gram on the skin can be lethal.
So this is why "Do not underestimate the desperation of a tyrant" arguments don't impress me. We have seen *PRECISELY* this scenario worked out back almost 80 years, and it didn't end the way you think.
dubious_capybara@reddit
The delusion in your assessment is very simply N=1.
dittybopper_05H@reddit
Do you have any counter-examples?
No?
Well then, the delusion in your assessment is very simply N=0.
dubious_capybara@reddit
That's not how statistics works dumbass
TheRealBunkerJohn@reddit
And yet during the Cold War, we came within hours, if not minutes multiple times of a full-blown nuclear exchange due to error. It's not a single factor- but a combination that leaves the battlefield ripe for a miscalculation. Russia isn't 1930's Germany. I certainly agree that history does rhyme.
dittybopper_05H@reddit
Errors are different than intentional acts, and you should know that.
What you're posting is true, but completely irrelevant to my point.
Mediocre_Theropod@reddit
Video that popped up in my feed today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cMdDeOaKqI&t=28s
Still debating if "its the moon's fault", "Its the bird's fault", or "well at least that one switch still worked" is my favorite example of how close it has gotten
Also hi and have a q for ya when you have a min in the other realm:)
TheRealBunkerJohn@reddit
Ooooh I'll take a look!
Also, responded in the Discord!
Background_Change359@reddit
Alan Brooke, Churchill's Chief of Staff, had to prevent him from using germ warfare. The British absolutely were prepared to use Anthrax.
dittybopper_05H@reddit
Well, certainly the UK was Armed And Dangerous when it came to biological warfare, and Churchill may have been Gung-Ho about using it, so it's good that Brooke gave him an Intro To Reality before he used it against The Enemy.
Joking aside, the UK was a signatory to the 1925 Geneva Protocols, as was Germany, which forbids the use of biological warfare agents (unless the other side uses them first).
So I doubt that Churchill was going to use them first, because that is a propaganda nightmare for the Allies and an absolute boon to the Nazis.
fishslushy@reddit
Not being snooty, generally want to know. How do you follow the money to find out about their bomb shelters being made?
TheRealBunkerJohn@reddit
There was a news article about them about a year ago. Now they're hitting mass production: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-begins-mass-production-radiation-resistant-mobile-bomb-shelters-2024-11-19/
From the Russia site, they cost around 380k (USD) per shelter. If Russia is making threats, then the sun is rising.
If Russia is making threats and sinking money into preparing for said threat, that's when to pay attention.
DevCatOTA@reddit
Only the elite can afford them.
If it's radiation resistance is like the "active armor" on their tanks...
TheRealBunkerJohn@reddit
They're basically repurposed shipping containers. The design is fairly sound- reinforced with concrete blocks. The goal is to shelter as many people as possible for the first 1-3 days. It's not a long term or cushy bunker that elites would ever want to buy.
That's one of many things that catches my eye. These are meant to be mass produced and shelter as many as possible- not some elaborate thing to flout in front of the elites.
HiltoRagni@reddit
I'm 99% sure that is purely a military thing, not aimed at civilians. The thing is the size of a school bus, houses maybe 20 people and costs (officially) almost $400k. About the right size for a command post, extremely expensive as a way to shelter "as many as possible".
Wild-Lengthiness2695@reddit
As opposed to US companies that build bunkers for people ?
TheRealBunkerJohn@reddit
Well, U.S companies are building them for private sellers.
These are developed, purchased, and deployed by the Russian Government for the citizens.
Background_Change359@reddit
Don't know if you X, but Bradley Garrett, author of Bunker, is @Goblinmerchant.
randynumbergenerator@reddit
Take any announcement from Russia about mass-producing anything with a grain of salt. That sounds like a good way to reward loyalists with graft, which is their favorite past time.
TheRealBunkerJohn@reddit
These are hardly cushy shelters. These are basically repurposed shipping containers with the goal of sheltering as many people as possible for the first few days after a nuclear exchange. When it's produced and distributed by the State, that's a mark of seriousness in many respects.
randynumbergenerator@reddit
And that costs 380k? And will be better than sheltering in place in an apartment block? That's 100% a graft scheme, with the added bonus of some propaganda value. When we get satellite images of factories (which would have to be massive in scale to make a meaningful number of shelters) and trucks moving them around, then I'll be concerned.
TheRealBunkerJohn@reddit
This is meant to block radiation/the blast wave/etc. An apartment block is hardly the ideal shelter, especially considering the standards of building in Russia.
Air filtration, anchoring, supplies, etc. for 50 people? I certainly don't know the breakdown, but it's within the general price point of a decent shelter.
Leader_2_light@reddit
Wow I didn't know this. God damn. This is pretty serious.
US government ain't doing shit for us.
fishslushy@reddit
Interesting, thanks
Separate_Sock5016@reddit
The KUB-M shelters are really a joke if you look at them. However, it does a great job of scaring the shit out of their civilians, so when the conscription starts theyâll have less resistance
TheRealBunkerJohn@reddit
Hardly.
They're bare-bones, absolutely. Basically converted shipping containers. But the design to allow the add-on of concrete blocks would serve the purpose. As a simple shelter for 1-3 days for 50 people, they'd work. Any more than that, and no, they'd be fairly useless.
I'd call them a very simplistic shelter- but hardly a joke. Especially a joke that costs about 380k USD.
Separate_Sock5016@reddit
Fair enough, bare-bones is more accurate. However, I still think the optics of these being deployed are the bigger goal here. They need their citizens to be fearful to accept the mass-conscription thatâs coming.
TheRealBunkerJohn@reddit
Perhaps.
Ultimately, taken as a single point it's not that big of a deal. Adding in other points, it becomes concerning (European nations updating sheltering instructions, consistent ratcheting up of tensions, continual failure of Russian conventional forces). They can scare/control the population with the media easier than buying a bunch of shelters that actually work (versus mock-ups).
These were being developed about 6 months into the war on Ukraine. This isn't a hastily thrown-together shelter. This was planned and slowly rolled out. That's not a propaganda move, imo.
Separate_Sock5016@reddit
Every government has an obligation to protect their citizens, otherwise they lose credibility. I think thatâs even more true to an extent in Russia where you can easily find yourself âfallingâ out of a fourth story window. So I think there are very practical reasons for the shelters, and they are definitely part of the overall war planning as you point out.
But I still have the nagging feeling that there is a psychological component to this. I think the average Russian is not to dissimilar from the average American, in the sense I doubt they trust their government or media very much. If I saw shelters like these popping up all over America I know I would be much more concerned vs. the talking heads simply telling me to be afraid.
Apophylita@reddit
America has already set that precedent. Plus, I would wildly gesture at his rhetoric about undersea cables, and the recent developments in that regard.Â
drkstar1982@reddit
The damage the under sea cables is something Russia has been doing for decades. Itâs nothing new Russiaâs in a bad way. Thatâs why they have to use North Korean troops to try and take back their own territory. Russia is only real power lies in their nuclear weapons that they canât afford to use.
Separate_Sock5016@reddit
I think itâs likelier that the whole North Korean involvement is nothing more than a ruse by China. Our pacific fleet will have to focus its attention on the Korean Peninsula to protect our bases as well as honor our treatyâs with Japan and South Korea. That leaves much more room for their Taiwan reunification
drkstar1982@reddit
China doesnât have the sea lift capability to invade Taiwan. Let alone an extremely contested landing. People forget Taiwan isnât Ukraine they have a peer military with China if not better all they lack is man power. And man power doesnât matter if you canât get it to the island
Separate_Sock5016@reddit
I think theyâll go with a naval blockade after trying and failing with a similar legislative approach they used in Hong Kong
drkstar1982@reddit
It won't work. Their navy won't survive the Taiwan navy, shore-to-ship missiles, and air force. China's only option is to decimate the island and all its cities. which negates the reason they want it.
Separate_Sock5016@reddit
I think youâre right, I doubt it will work either. But I think Xi will at least try in the 2027 timeframe
drkstar1982@reddit
Its very possible, i think it all depends on how many allies Trump is ready to abondon.
Swimming_Recover70@reddit
If said nuclear weapons even work after decades of lack of upkeepâŚ
Trick_Minute2259@reddit
It might've been the Yi Peng, a Chinese bulk carrier. It's currently being detained in Danish waters.
Sachyriel@reddit
Okay but American nukes didn't end the war as much as people believe, it was also the Russian invasion of Manchuria that made even the last hold outs of Japanese military believe they were fucked.
Putin doesn't have an ally that he can back up the nukes with like the end of WW2. That precedent is out of his reach, Putin can't nuke his way to peace the way the USA did.
0-ATCG-1@reddit
The nukes did end the war. One of the main impetus for Roosevelt to employ them was to strike before the Soviets took more land because it was believed that anything the USSR took in Asia; Stalin would be very unwilling to give back. Especially regarding Japan itself if they got boots on the ground.
Make no mistake, the nukes did exactly what history has told you they were meant to do.
tl;dr: The USSR in Manchuria was one of the reasons the nukes were signed off on to end the war quickly on purpose.
WxxTX@reddit
Biden is out, his 'limited action if they invade' gave putin permission to go ahead with limited backlash expected.
drkstar1982@reddit
What is the backlash? more dead North Korean soldiers. Russia has had 1000 days to defeat Ukraine and has managed to get nothing and even lose part of Russian territory.
HamWatcher@reddit
You may want to reevaluate your sources as they might be biased if you really believe that. At the moment, Ukraine is on the backfoot and losing ground. Any reasonable peace proposals would cede at least major sections of Donbas to Russia which would cement their position in Crimea.
drkstar1982@reddit
As of now, Ukraine still;l holds Kursk, does it not? I think you are reading to much into Trump's peace plans for Ukraine who hopefully this time will involve the government of the country Trump is trying to give away
Bored_Acolyte_44@reddit
Why would Russia nuke us when the guy they put in office is going to dismantle the government for them?
ItsAllAboutEvolution@reddit
I understand that life presents us with great challenges. Not everyone is up to it. Nonetheless, I wish you all the best and hope that the fog will soon clear for you and that you can broaden your perspective a bit.
Bored_Acolyte_44@reddit
You are fooling no one with your condescension and have only revealed that it is fact you who are lacking perspective.
No-Understanding-357@reddit (OP)
I disagree but take my upvote for a funny as hell comment
Grannyjewel@reddit
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-melania-trumps-nude-190000869.html
He wouldnât care.
Suspicious-Pea2833@reddit
I've been thinking so much of the Americans in 1929.
branchc@reddit
đ
happyclamming@reddit
I'm so out of the loop, I completely thought that this was a bird flu post. In which case my answer was yes.
HouseholdWords@reddit
I thought it was a usa fascism post. There's a lot going on right now
chris_rage_is_back@reddit
"eVErYtHiNg i Don'T LiKe iS FaSCiSm "
jordanrice26@reddit
Iâm right there with you. Why is there only a handful of people talking about this?
Gustomaximus@reddit
He wont - earlier answer here for my logic
https://old.reddit.com/r/preppers/comments/1gvcfgl/russia_says_that_ukraine_used_us_made_missiles_to/ly2ddcw/
=========== Putin wont launch nukes.
Best case 'launch' is a small tactical nuke into Ukraine, then we watch the world turn on him + arm themself to the teeth with nukes. He says he was worried about weapons being stationed in Ukraine, the cause of this entire war. He knows if he sends even the smallest nuke into Ukraine a bunch of countries around him like Sweden/Finland/Poland/Ukraine/Japan will be looking down the path of hosting and/or owning their own nukes. And a bunch more countries further away will be adding or ramping up, so this is no good for long term strategy.
If he launched something serious at a NATO country, then we have war + a heap more countries nuclear arming themself fast. And he is struggling to beat Ukraine...he knows NATO can bend them over if the will is there.
Worst case he goes all out in nuclear attack and launches hundreds or thousands (if they even can...) then his country is gone. And for all his faults he loves his country and wouldn't want that.
The only time I see him launching a nuke is if there was a real and significant invasion of Russia. No-one wants that, so wont happen.
Im not an expert but logically nukes dont play out here IMO.
AnonEdin@reddit
His country is gone and so is ours!
Youre-The-Victim@reddit
I could see hom doing it in the captured part of Russia then technically they didn't nuke Ukraine.
Gustomaximus@reddit
Maybe. It would be an interesting technicality.
Also send a clear message we are willing to drop nukes on invaders even in our own country.... but also nuking your own country isnt a great look.....
If it was going to happen it would be a more likely option Id think.
phillip7456@reddit
usa will double the price of the oil barrel to 200$, ( buy some shares of it to double ur money, at least this way u might get a few quickly before something else happens ) then petrol will go up to 9-10$/liter, then food wont get to shops because of fuel costs and the little people are the only ones that starve, the us at the bottom, the rich will use companies to pay the increased price for shipping and then offset this as a loss in their companys tax next year. being a prepper is multifaceted, being smart with what u have and can have before the event. if russia lets loose the "omg there is the sun!! missiles, food in gardens are not going to be good, water will be crap without alot of carbon filters, load up on zinc and colloidal silver, tea tree oil, electret's made from coaxial cables in a cupboard to power an quiet inverter. learn ways of doing things with less power to no power and doing them now so if times come u have what it takes to ride the bike to power the basics. buy a drone with flair cam on it for security. and use it also of using the voltage in the air to power things up. buy chooks and rooster. add anti crow strap to rooster dont want a dead give away ;) the alliance wont let us all fall just enough to hold out for a bit. if u think u have covered many things of different aspects of living, think about tyre repair kits first aid kits wood gasifiers dehumidifiers ( water collections) filtering of water, underground buried water tanks. think about things to do constantly while power is out, upgrades version 2 or 3 on making things quicker to get jobs done for the day. no conveniences any more. do gym u are going to need to be fit enough for forever doing outside jobs and be constantly aware of intruders and steps in place ready on that. only keep out the basics amd hide the rest of foods etc in under ground stores u dont want to be raided and left with nothing after all the prepping, shout out to mike adams !! so many things always prepping always 3 steps ahead of the rest of the family keeping them safe at all costs. allow fuel stores in case of needing to source items far away and dont just store food u need good food or no food, no good eating crap and needing to go to sleep because the food has no energy in it, have different types of things to do the same jobs items will break sounds simple now but crap will be if u cant now shovel dust or cray somewhere and the wheel burrow is busted. lighters bic lighters get them some many things they can be used for fixing ropes, starting small diesel heaters, j style rocket heaters are very efficient small solar areas but nothing big too obvious. think lighting powered by leds and cordless battery 12 ah milwakee say separate lighting circuit as backup. black out windows u dont want light going light saying u are in there with all u need or want and someone seeing an invitation to the house. dont have a house with downstairs glass sliding doors, straight in sorry house gone. covid learning longer screws in doors and hinges. add olden wooden planks across doors as well bolted straight thru. and ive seen some great door stoppers online, condys crystals and glycerine awesome items together. can be stored into back to back coke caps. buckets u are going to need them. ways of fixing items when they break. anyways just a few thoughts of a prepper
jesuswantsme4asucker@reddit
What?
Flashy-Canary-8663@reddit
Putin can say the West is escalating and change his nuclear doctrine blah blah blah but he knows he is the only one to blame for this situation and so does his Master Xi. He is not going to start WW3, itâs just another in a long line of bluffs from him.
OnTheEdgeOfFreedom@reddit
Does ANYONE check anything before posting?
NATO has stated that if Russia gets this stupid, it will do a fiull-on but conventional (non-nuclear) response to kick Russia out of Ukraine. What they don't need to mention is the side effect of that is that Putin's people assassinate Putin.
Which is why Putin can saber-rattle all he wants, change doctrines, fire up the launch sites... and will launch nothing, because he knows it's his own death warrant. People fall out of windows in his country.
ProfessionalChip7497@reddit
If you want some reading that will do nothing to calm your anxiety check out, Nuclear War, by Annie Jacobsen.
Itâs a modern hypothetical with a lot of well connected people providing insight.
DarthPineapple5@reddit
I'm not worried about it today. If Russia were to nuke Ukraine their military in Ukraine would get steamrolled by NATO. Bombed out of existence. That's why they won't do it and its why they didn't do it 2 years ago when they were making a lot of similar noise. That and the Chinese would be absolutely livid with them and they are one of their last lifelines
Who knows what Trump would do when he takes office though and I think that adds a high degree of risk
Admirable_Air7185@reddit
I'm old enough to remember the world ending in Y2K, then 911, then GWOT/Iraq, then 2012, then it was Obama, then it was trump, then it was Biden, now it's trump again.
No, this is not the quiet before the storm. This is business as usual.
Prep for natural disasters, not TEOTW.
Sxs9399@reddit
Iâm wondering how old OP is? I think the millennials and younger out there were raised after the nuclear scare of the 60s. I think the American public would barely register anything if a âtacticalâ nuclear bomb were used in Ukraine.Â
BallsOutKrunked@reddit
Hard disagree on that. We've had a grand total of 2 nuclear weapons used in combat over 80 years ago. We'd bump a defcon level at minimum.
mowog-guy@reddit
We are already at the equivalent of DEFCON3. We would escalate to DEFCON2 for certain, if not DEFCON1 because that's what Biden wants.
Russia altered it's nuclear doctrine. Their primary target list has been "leaked" including 20 US military assets in the US mainland.
European nations are handing out crisis readiness handbooks.
Russia began mass producing shelters. (reddit is pretending this is propaganda)
US Embassy in Kiev is closed, employees are sheltering in place expecting imminent attack.
Telecommunications cables linking Finland to Europe, and Lithuania and Sweden have both been cut.
Poland placed all military on highest alert.
It's pretty close to stepping up today.
Every single asset will be in motion before that warhead ever detonated. All refuelers, sentinels, radar/awacs, ships would start recalling sailors on leave and beat-feet out of ports, all weapons systems would go online.
We should immediately impeach and remove Biden from office.
IWannaGoFast00@reddit
As a millennial I 110% agree. One tactical nuke going off in Kyiv would not result in a full scale nuclear war between global powers. I would be met with harsh words and warnings but nothing more at this time. People donât realize what lengths the US would go to not use nukes against Russia even if they used a âsmallâ one against Ukraine.
pants_mcgee@reddit
If Russia nukes Kyiv then NATO must go to war. And really the entire world should. Nuking a city simply canât be tolerated.
m0ntsta@reddit
Ukraine is not part of NATO so NATO does not have to do anything.
Sxs9399@reddit
Maybe. There is nothing that compels NATO to do anything in that scenario.
pants_mcgee@reddit
The existential crisis to world peace is what compels NATO. The use of nuclear weapons must be responded to, and strongly. Especially if used on a Capitol city in Europe.
Not doing so just makes nuclear proliferation and the possibility of an actual apocalyptic, genocidal nuclear war more likely.
iridescent-shimmer@reddit
I mean, in a few months, the likelihood of the US even being in NATO is unlikely.
Leader_2_light@reddit
Why must NATO go to war? Dafaq are you even talking about....
Go to war to end the world. Yeah let's rush right into that without trying every single possible alternative even if it means the total slaughter of every single Ukrainian citizen man woman and child.
Swimming_Recover70@reddit
âMustââŚ.Ukraine isnât part of NATOâŚ.
Avg_DadBod69@reddit
I agree that the response would not be nuclear, but there wood absolutely be a conventional response. It would be impossible to ignore
randynumbergenerator@reddit
Yeah as an elder millennial I don't think we're that easily frightened. We're old enough to remember the worst attack on US soil in 80 years, as well as fear mongering about nukes, Y2K, and I don't know what else. We've had more than two decades to learn to prepare for what we can, beyond that I don't know what we can do.Â
I will say, though, that I think the risk of a nuclear device going off in Ukraine is (if anything) lower than it's been in a while. Right now, Moscow is racing to acquire as much territory as it can in anticipation of Trump forcing a peace deal. A nuke would put peace off the table.
TheRealBunkerJohn@reddit
Not initially, no. A single nuke doesn't mean a full-blown exchange is certain.
But it means we're on the ladder to a full exchange. We might get off at rung 1, 2, 5, or 7- but we're on that ladder.
gold_cajones@reddit
Maybe some keyboard warrior outrage... maybe a slight change in the stock market. That's about it
JasonTheSpartan@reddit
As a fiduciary for my day job and pepper by night, geopolitical risk is definitely at an all time high relating to the stock market. Itâd move more than a slight change.
The good news is itâs historically survived wars in the past. And well if itâs a nuclear war, stock market wonât matter anymore
spatialnorton09@reddit
Whatâs it like being a night pepper?
Brandiclaire@reddit
Sounds pretty spicy...
EverVigilant1@reddit
wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?
Accomplished_Offer63@reddit
It was 20 years ago today that Sgt Pepper taught the band to playâŚ
geekyreaderautie@reddit
Now I'm thirsty
JasonTheSpartan@reddit
Would be a hell of a lot better with night vision. But I have to say midnight snacks are the best kind of snacks. Night prepping builds quite the appetite!
Gustomaximus@reddit
I think "quiet before the storm" is more about peoples anxiety.
We dont know if something is going to happen. Much higher odds of anyhting happening taking us by surprise over 'feel it coming'.
itsgrandmaybe@reddit
Sorry your getting down voted op. NATO bots are downvoting anybody who mentions this topic today.
You'd think a prepping sub would be talking about the closest we've ever been to a nuclear Doomsday scenario since the Cuban missile crisis, but, nahh...
Fantastic-Series9339@reddit
NATO bot here. Detonating a nuclear bomb would not benefit Russia in any way. They are not that stupid. They're just saber-rattling to instill fear in simple minded folks. If anything, using a nuclear bomb would seal their defeat.
Gustomaximus@reddit
I think hes creating more of a 'we cant risk it' position for the west. We know its low odds, but low odds are pretty steep with nukes. It will definitely cause some hesitation.
Windhawker@reddit
The wind blows from west to east, so theyâd kindof screw themselves
Leader_2_light@reddit
Russia actually would benefit tremendously from calling NATO's bluff. It would put them in a position of tremendous power and would reveal the true weakness of NATO.
Finally NATO has no obligation to respond to a Russian nuclear attack against a non-nato nation. If they chose to do so they would be signing the death warrant of most of the planet.
Fantastic-Series9339@reddit
What bluff are you talking about?
A single tactical nuclear weapon will make ZERO difference to the war. Even if NATO did not intervene directly, it would only solidify and boost any wavering support among NATO countries. It would also further isolate Russia on the world stage.
If any bluff HAS been called, it was Russias. Ukraine has literally invaded the Russian motherland and are now firing long range ballistic missiles into Russia... Yet Russia has still not launched any nuclear missiles lol. So much for those red lines!
The last sentence is exactly what Russia is trying to achieve. Instill fear. Russia must remember they aren't the only country with nuclear missiles.
BookMonkeyDude@reddit
Meh, we had two closer calls than this in 1983 alone.
There has been some sabre rattling, they have done this nearly every step of the way during this invasion and it has worked in that it has made our contributions very limited and cautious.. but it only works for so long. There is no scenario where deploying a nuclear weapon actually *helps* Russia.. it doesn't make logical sense, hell I can't even really put together a plausible mass hysteria case for it.
Grossegurke@reddit
I cant think of a scenario where Ukraine launching US long range missiles into Russia would benefit the US or Ukraine....but the fucking moron allowed it anyways.
BookMonkeyDude@reddit
Really? You don't see how launching an attack on Russian military ammo dumps, logistics centers, airfields etc., assets directly used in an ongoing invasion could possibly help Ukraine, the country being invaded? Further, you don't think it in the US's interests to use every means at our disposal to pressure Russia into withdrawing its troops, considering we've been doing that for the last two years now and our restraint has gotten us *nowhere*?
Leader_2_light@reddit
You do realize right in the news articles where they announced the policy change they say it's not expected to change the course of the war.
Ha ha ha
That's literally from the mainstream news sources this isn't some sort of rocket science.
Dumbass.
BookMonkeyDude@reddit
There is rarely only ever one factor that changes the course of a war, this is not to say that factors are not cumulative. Having their supply lines endangered where previously they were untouchable is significant and I can't see how in the world anybody can argue differently. If it *didn't* matter, why on earth would Russia be bleating so loudly about this?
Grossegurke@reddit
Do you not realize that Ukraine has zero chance to win this right? They are dragging people off the street to fight. Their average age in the military is in the 40's. This war should have never been allowed to continue after a peace deal was reached months into the conflict. It is only ongoing for financial reasons.
The only way Ukraine has any chance is if the US and Nato goes to war with Russia....that is it. You are believing total bs propaganda if you believe any different.
How can you support continuing to send "every dollar we have left" to Ukraine, when we have people that were hit by hurricanes, who lost everything, living in tents with zero support, and winter is around the corner. Oh right...they should have prepped better. Fucking ridiculous.
BookMonkeyDude@reddit
Yeah, I keep hearing that and yet Russia keeps sending human wave attacks to die by the hundreds and thousands for a few hundred yards of land. Russia conscripts men too.. but I never hear about that being some sort of liability. No peace deal was reached, that is outright lies and propaganda.. the 'deal' was essentially a unilateral list of demands by Russia.. which is no kind of deal.
Nah, I mean, one day the right Russians, or enough of them, will wake up to eat the one potato they can afford that day, get the news from a friend of a friend that their cousin/nephew/son died.. and feel like enough is enough. That'll be the end of Putin, just like it was the end for every other Russian leader that pushed the people to the breaking point. OR Putin will just pull back to some arbitrary border, unilaterally declare victory and settle in for an extended cease-fire similar to what happened after 2014... whatever happens, there is going to be an independent Ukraine at the end of all this and Putin will have failed.
In 1918, Germany lost the war still occupying French territory.. with not a single allied boot on the ground inside their country. Why?
We are hardly giving 'every last dollar' what the fuck, dude. Histrionic much? We're getting a *bargain* here, we're sending mostly useless to us equipment, a little cash and quite literally destroying the military of one of the only plausible near peer rivals we have. Reagan would have squealed with glee for this deal.
Grossegurke@reddit
Sorry man...you are gone...
BookMonkeyDude@reddit
What a thorough and compelling refutation of my argument. Bravo.
itsgrandmaybe@reddit
Bro, we can't argue with them in 2024. I've programmed python scripts that have chatgpt integrations. None of their conversations are organic or written by real people. They are staying on top of the narrative by employing massive resources to astroturf the conversation to their narrative using bots and data centers, to which have already been publicly leaked. I wish we could go back to pre 2017 internet, these language models have all but obliterated real conversation. :(
ArcyRC@reddit
However this war ends, Putin is dead. The only thing keeping their economy afloat is the war effort. Once it ends from any outcome their economy will be in the red for decades and Putin will take ALL the blame for it (too bad he killed his rival)
itsgrandmaybe@reddit
"Our restraint"??? You've been slurping it up, haven't you? US and NATO have nearly exhausted sending most of Europe's supplies to the frontlines of Ukraine. They have been balls to the wall supplying Ukraine munitions, supplying logistics, money, supplying vehicles, supplying training. So what restraint? You make it sound like US hasn't been part and parcel this whole time. Who ran the Maidan Coup in 2014 and kicked out the democratically elected neutral Ukrainian president? Who installed new puppets to all positions in government? Who installed an actor as the new president? Before this war, who had Ukraine stating they would bid to join NATO? All totally normal phenomenon, Russia should have just overlooked that was going on at their border. I'm sure Americans would likewise be fine if Cuba joined the Russian federation and house a few nuclear TSAR bombs off our coast?
This entire thing is stupid af and was completely avoidable. Hundreds of thousands of dead and just to arrive at what existed prior to 2014, a buffer zone. Ukraine shouldn't be Russian or American. It should be neutral just as it was before the 2014 coup de tat
TravelinDak@reddit
I said in a dif post that we should take Russia seriously and be cautious about bombing them. Iâm still being downvoted for expressing this opinion. The bots are OUT today
BigRedRobotNinja@reddit
I'm sure we will be very cautious if we ever decide to bomb Russia.
TravelinDak@reddit
Russia sees Ukraine using US missiles on US authority, as an act from the US. They said they interpret this as US bombing Russia
BigRedRobotNinja@reddit
I mean, they can see it however they want. Doesn't make it true.
TravelinDak@reddit
I mean, while this is not a direct strike from the US, I can see their perspective. But yes, you are correct in a black and white sense.
BigRedRobotNinja@reddit
I mean, they can interpret it however they want. Doesn't make it true.
CauliflowerProof2111@reddit
The Biden admin just bombed russia and our bombs and equipment have been used on them for over a year now.
TravelinDak@reddit
Thank you! Seems to be a controversial take today
RedditAtWorkIsBad@reddit
Don't worry. The Russia bots have won and re-upvoted.
NotAnotherRedditAcc2@reddit
First of all, lol.
Secondly, post some evidence or take that nonsense over to /r/conspiracy.
Also, what, in your estimation, is different about Russian Nuclear War Threat #8 relative to the previous 7 over the past several years?
Commercial_Yak7468@reddit
Probably because it is a political post. I had a political post removed from a different thread.
I understand removing posts that are just bitching about politics, but being a prepping sub you have to be able to acknowledge and discuss polices from the current and next administration to prep successfully.
sanitation123@reddit
This is a political post?
sanitation123@reddit
What has changed between last week and this week? Ukraine can use long range missiles like ATACMS, but the west has been supplying tons and tons of weapons that have been used to strike targets in Russia for years. I don't understand how we are any closer to nuclear midnight than we were yesterday, last week, or last month.
architectmillenial@reddit
I'm new here and want to be prepped before the storm!
I haven't read through the guides yet, hoping to find time soon to. Grateful for this sub!
J701PR4@reddit
Welcome aboard.
chase7_71@reddit
The thing everyone missed is the North Korean troops fighting. If a US missile fired out of Ukraine kills any of them the game changes.
ToiletTime4TinyTown@reddit
Bro, chill, 1. Russia threatens nuclear war every time any advancement is made against them in the war 2. They kinda already did set off a high yield nuclear device, by accident in the 80s in Ukraine ,biggest thing that happened, soon Russia got a new government (not better) Iâd honestly be more wary and aware of US companies getting greedy during low to mid grade disasters and manipulating the supply chain to create or exacerbate scarcity and drive prices. Nothing they would rather do than turn every hurricane, flood, or fire into the great toilet paper run of the pandemic. Like it or not whatâs good for business will be practiced and enforced and you elbowing an old lady for the last can of beans is good for business.
BustedToothWren@reddit
I'm a lurker here. But my advice is to buy an industrial bolt cutter. Then locate all warehouses in your area that store products. You'd be amazed at how many their are in your area.
If you have enough gun and ammo perhaps take over a warehouse and defend it, while you raid other warehouses and bring the supplies to you.
Forget having a cushy house.....look for the warehouses. I may have already said too much.
Youre-The-Victim@reddit
Wait 2 weeks because every other clown with this same idea will have shot it out in front of the same warehouse but there will be a abundance of guns laying around.
Same shit happened in Bagdad in 03 us troops got into the city and there were dead civilian and royal guards laying in the streets from attempted looting.
Scribe_WarriorAngel@reddit
A nuclear attack would have to be out of the question for Russia, because if they do it would force NATOâs hand if they donât step up it would leave such hands open to all.
Thus war, and if that came to pass we would see either nuclear annihilation or depending on how the winds blow a generation lost
pbmadman@reddit
While Iâm not discouraging you from restocking, I fail to see the connection between a small nuke in Ukraine and the power grid shutting down wherever you are (going to assume US).
Maybe Russia does something so bad that the rest of the world cuts off oil and gas overnight. That would be disruptive yes, but more economically than anything else.
Either way, itâs always the quiet before the storm. You either believe that every day is the quiet before the storm and live accordingly or you believe you can accurately predict storms.
TheLostExpedition@reddit
Just make sure you have iodine. That's the one people d Forgot. Or Forget to take.
StylistK86@reddit
I normally get some supplies for winter in case of a blizzard and the state I live in gets shut down for a few days. It doesnât hurt to have a few supplies on hand.
Appropriate-City3389@reddit
There was a period before the Nazis moved into France during WW2. It was called the Phony War. It was quiet untilthe shit hit the fan as Germany invaded and rapidly over ran France and pushed the British army off the continent. The US isn't facing an invasion. We're facing our first kakistocracy led buy a man with a narcissistic wound. He's bent on revenge and has Congress and scotus willing to support him. It will be a bumpy ride.
ZaphodG@reddit
The United States has the military capability to turn the populated part of Russia into glass. Total destruction. Russian equipment has decades of poor maintenance and is very likely to be ineffective in a major war. This is saber rattling.
AfternoonPhysicalB@reddit
https://www.turkiyetoday.com/world/serbian-president-warns-putin-may-use-nuclear-weapons-if-security-is-threatened-81408/
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/putin-would-not-hesitate-to-use-nuclear-weapons-serbian-president/3398417
Contains statement of Serbian president but does not contain all that that was said yesterday. This was just a very mild version of what was said yesterday. Share it.
slagforslugs@reddit
Immediate food scarcity is the thing that'll hit us all
Rikan_legend@reddit
If the US and EU werenât supporting Ukraine, Russia wouldâve already taken it years ago, food for thought
Excellent_Coconut_81@reddit
If you live so close to Ukrainian border that atomic bomb would cause grid shortage, your real issue is radiation!
How good is your housing insulated? Does any of fresh air come without proper filter? Do you have enough supplies to survive on raw food for 2 weeks without leaving your housing? Do you have iodum pills?
JediMasterReddit@reddit
Unpopular opinion: if Russia used a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine today, nothing would happen.
Sure, someone will condemn it at the UN. The talking heads will scream "how dare they do that!!" Stocks will go down 5% in one day before bouncing back 7% the week after. With a new pro-Russia administration taking over in the US, the Russians would be complete fools to escalate beyond that. Even a nutjob like Kim Jong-Un would avoid a broader conflict with the US if there is a prospect of getting a favorable deal after \~60 more days.
As far as the public is concerned, they have bigger problems than fretting over Russia using a tactical nuclear weapon "over there." Most people are so disconnected from current events that they probably think a lot of tactical nukes have already been used in warfare. With bigger and badder Pandemic II (H5N1) on the way, the potential for a military conflict with China, self-inflicted trade and immigration policies sending inflation off 200%-300%, a government filled with people incapable of handling crisis, and the ever-present threat of climate change, Russia using a tactical nuclear weapon is just not that big of a deal anymore.
Sad that this is where we are as a world, but it is what it is.
DarkVandals@reddit
Dont worry about russia the US is about to go nazi America in case no one has seen it yet the texas land office sent a letter to trump to offer up 1400 acres for camps! I wont be a party to this inhumanity!
https://bsky.app/profile/dknight10k.bsky.social/post/3lbdt5tmquc2d
Ecstatic_Bee6067@reddit
Defense stocks will rise, NATO countries would probably intervene by closing the air space, and we'd all still go to work the next day
McSIM101@reddit
When did you watched news/ videos from Ukraine last time ? Did you see what happened to Mariupol , for example ? City with population of 450 thousands has been demolished. One tactical nuke wipes out the city with population 30-40 thousands. Again, population of Mariupol was 450k. If Mariupol does not look destroyed enough for you , take a look at Bakhmut or Mariinka. Dozens of cities with population over 30-40k wiped out to the ground already. My point is - how wiping out the cities with 1-ton bombs different for you from wiping out one more Ukrainjan city with tactical nuke ? Demolition of 30k city to ashes with 'conventional' bombs is OK for person of first world country , but doing the same with nuke is no OK, all of the sudden ?
RipArtistic8799@reddit
That is never going to happen. This is Russian propaganda. They want us to hold back, and be weak, while they steamroll our ally. Russia will not launch a nuke. Pure BS. Try looking up the ukraine war and reading up. They have been making the same empty threats all along.
BradleyWrites@reddit
If that happens it will be war. Trump can't back away from it. prices will shoot up. People will hoard supplies. Gas will increase. Life in America will continue as usual with our military being deployed.
Expect everything to cost more. Products will likely be in short supply for a short while. Businesses will use that as an excuse to raise prices even further. There will probably be some civil strife at home against businesses taking advantage.
America has weathered a lot the last 124 years. We've gone through a lot worse.
KhloJSimpson@reddit
Russia isn't going to nuke Ukraine
BallsOutKrunked@reddit
I don't think they will either, but show me the people 4 years ago saying that a major land war from Russia was on the bingo card.
No-Understanding-357@reddit (OP)
maybe,,probably you are right but russia is not going to lose that war.
Separate_Sock5016@reddit
The primary reason Putin and co. keep ratcheting up the nuclear saber rattling is to scare their own population. They need to fully mobilize their population for war. Theyâve already shifted their economy towards wartime production, and now they need bodies for the meat grinder.
The true puppet master in all of this is China. Many people forget that it was Xi Jinping that denied Putinâs timeline for the Ukrainian invasion. He didnât want his precious Winter Olympics being overshadowed by the invasion. Putin unwillingly listened, and the ground wasnât frozen anymore when he started the invasion. That was why the tanks had to travel on roads instead of cutting through the countryside, which was the single biggest issue with the initial invasion. After the West kicked Russia out of the SWIFT system, China became Russiaâs only real financial option.
All of this saber rattling benefits China the most. Their economy is in tatters, and with the coming demographic decline, they have a very tight timeline in order to rollout their plan to reunify Taiwan. They need our attention, money and weapons being depleted in the Ukrainian theatre.
This is also the primary reason for North Korea becoming involved in the Ukrainian conflict. It will force our attention in the pacific theater to be focused on our bases in Japan and South Korea.
Europe is happy to have a nuclear boogeyman as well. They now have the pressure needed to force Trump to stay in NATO. This also helps quell the domestic instability and nationalism thatâs been threatening the European establishment.
All of that being said, the ground is absolutely being laid for the first great war of the 21st century. The most dangerous timeframe will be 2027-2032. However, I still doubt that nukes will be used. It is much likelier that cyber attacks and power grids will be weaponized against the masses, which will lead to economic and supply chain chaos. Most of the ground fighting will still be contained in smaller theaters. We need as much arable farmland, freshwater, and resources to remain safe. Every major power understands this, and to compromise any of those things threatens whoever wins as much as whoever loses. I believe thatâs the plan anyways, you always run the risk of rogue generals and mishaps.
RabicanShiver@reddit
The panic buying will make COVID look like a joke.
No-Understanding-357@reddit (OP)
This is true. I went to costco today and bought pork jerky and bags of mixed nuts. im ready
longhairedcountryboy@reddit
Why do you have to cycle out old fuel? Always put the oldest can in your tank. Then fill it and it's the newest now.
No-Understanding-357@reddit (OP)
I had a crazy year and just let it go. Prepping takes a lot of organizarion and you have to stay on top of it. Also my oldest kid took over the cooking and doest like to cycle through the food inventory like my wife did.
Thetruebanchi@reddit
Fifo for life.
Very_Tall_Burglar@reddit
Russia wont detonate a low grade nuke. Theyd basically force a response from every single country trying to avoid a nuclear holocaust. Now that trumps in office there in a stupid good situation to win with american support off the table. Its unfortunate but thats looking like whats gonna happen
PrimeNumbersMakeMe@reddit
Trump is not in office.
Very_Tall_Burglar@reddit
Ok dude if you want to be very literal, duh. I know. But hes been elected.
PrimeNumbersMakeMe@reddit
You are correct.
dittybopper_05H@reddit
Does it feel like the "quiet before the storm"?
The short answer is "No".
The long answer is "Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo".
PrisonerV@reddit
But what if....
Primary-Ticket4776@reddit
No reason to what if. Too many actual things happening to prepare for.
ProfuseMongoose@reddit
Dude, the president elect has invited Russia into invading us.
ShoshiOpti@reddit
It seems quiet to you?
Interesting....
itsdietz@reddit
Russia isn't going to nuke anyone. They might threaten tactical nukes in Ukraine at most. They know though as soon as they do, we get involved conventionally and we'll be at Moscows doorstep in no time.
Spiritual-Bath-666@reddit
Russia has always had zero incentives to detonate nukes on the territory it wants to capture.
And now it has less than zero incentives as it hopes the new White House will give it everything it wants.
Wild-Attention2932@reddit
Russia values the land too much to do that.
Abuck59@reddit
HughDanforth@reddit
I would be ready asap.
But keep in mind:
Did their invasion of Ukraine take three days? The Russian military is fully outfitted out? Guns all work perfectly? Surely they would not need to buy weapons from vassal nations like NK?
The oligarchs have been stealing for years from the govt budget and the military got the shortest end of that deal.
mandaraprime@reddit
I imagine a lot of panic in Moscow. The prevailing winds in Ukraine are South to North, so Moscow is where the fallout is going.
sucklesburprises@reddit
Idk but quiet is pretty loud!
ToasterInYourBathtub@reddit
Yay, an excuse for me to word vomit about Nuclear Weapons. My favorite.
TLDR; Once the first bomb goes off in Ukraine you'll have about 2 weeks maximum to either get south of the Equator, or somewhere in the US/Canada that is as far away as possible from any domestic US military bases or nuclear sites. You're running from nuclear fallout if you manage to not get bugzapped by the unmatched power of the sun.
If Russia even uses a low yield tactical nuclear weapon, then all of NATO would respond conventionally by wiping out all Russian Military installations outside of Russia.
I imagine this would primarily be in of course Ukraine and Crimea, but also The Middle East as well as some of Africa.
After that, Russia would hopefully stand down, in which case everything would be hectic for a long while here in the states as this would for sure affect international commerce, and hopefully things would gradually go back to "normal" after a few months to a year for us here in the US.
The other outcome is Russia would either use ANOTHER nuclear weapon, or attack one of the NATO countries. Probably Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, or Finland. Either way, if this occurred NATO would begin a conventional attack on Russian units all along the Frontline in Ukraine.
Russia would more than likely respond with more nuclear weapons at this point, resulting in NATO to begin using nuclear weapons.
It will start out small. Tactical Nuclear Weapons being used on high concentrations of military personnel/military bases on both sides in Europe and Western Russia. This would probably go on for maybe a few days, at which point both sides would begin using Strategic nuclear weapons.
Now the difference between Tactical and Strategic nuclear weapons?
Tactical Nuclear Weapons are used for very small (comparatively considering this is a fucking nuke) targets. Military bases, FOBs etc.
Strategic Nuclear Weapons are the BIG BOYS. These are the weapons that wipe out entire cities. They'll be used in places of industry, and civilian centers.
Both sides would be going the way of "Escalate to De-escalate."
You bomb one of our FOBs? We'll just bomb two of yours. And so on and so forth until one side either surrenders or there's no one left to punch the big red button.
It would probably take a couple of weeks of escalation for the US to end up being directly targeted by Nuclear Weapons. Just my guess. I'm not an expert.
Your best bet would be to start high tailing it to South America as soon as news of the first Nuclear Weapon being used in Ukraine if you have the ability to. Maybe even out in the ocean somewhere as long as it's South of the Equator.
If you can't do that, time to look at a map and go somewhere in the US or Canada that is farthest away from any kind of domestic military bases or anywhere you know has nuclear weapons silos.
You would probably have a couple of weeks max to do this before it escalates to the point of targets being hit inside of the US Mainland.
Don't worry. My Doctorate in Geopolitics which is written on the back of a Cracker Barrel receipt is crumpled up somewhere in my car.
subhuman1@reddit
Why? The Ukraine has already absorbed 10x the damage that a single low yield nuke would do. I don't see one as the sudden tipping point of Nato escalating things to, literally, WW3. And ever heard of the westerlies? Where in the Ukraine where the nuke land to not radiate a large swath of russia?
ToasterInYourBathtub@reddit
Oh yeah it definitely would have some negative effects on Russia from Radiation. I failed to think of that one.
Ultimate who knows how any of this will play out. But with what you brought up, yeah it doesn't really make much sense for Russia to use a nuke in Ukraine from what you've explained.
andyring@reddit
In other words, your qualifications undoubtedly exceed pretty much anyone running the show right now.
No-Understanding-357@reddit (OP)
This sounds like a good read. Im going to wait until I get home and read it on the terlot.
irrision@reddit
Pretty much nothing outside of Ukraine. It would be like the Cuban missile crisis all over again as far as there being a long tense period of back and forth talks between Russia and the US
SomeDudeInGermany@reddit
They are more likely to nuke within their own borders.
Dredly@reddit
Russia is absolutely, unequivocally NOT going to set off a nuke, at this point they just need to last long enough for Trump / Republicans to get in power and immediately all aid to Ukraine from the US will cease, and he'll start fucking up NATO as much as possible to secure a win for Russia (who owns him and most of his cabinet)
if they set off a nuke that is a line they cannot walk back from even if Trump is president... so instead of before where they knew they couldn't nuke anything or NATO would unleash hell on them, now he knows he needs to not set off a nuke or Trump won't be able to save him.
Leather-Research5409@reddit
Do you really think heâd do that? He only has a couple of months before an administration that is likely to withdraw Ukrainian support.
If Putin used a low-yield nuke the international response would be too much for even the Trump administration to oppose.
Putin doesnât seem to give a fuck about his troops, why would he risk his position with a bonehead move like that?
I guess this doesnât answer your question directly but I think itâs a political move for the incoming administration to make better.
twoscoopsofbacon@reddit
Why would russia, when they are about to get trump in the white house, give the US military a reason to stop that? That would imply russia is pretty dumb with timing.
Grannyjewel@reddit
Spend less time online.
kingofthesofas@reddit
There is A LOT of sudden concern about this for some reason but Putin has been making nuclear threats for the entire course of this war and never follows through. The US allowing its weapons on Russian soil does very little to change the course of the war and Russia knows it. Why would they risk a nuclear escalation when Trump is likely to give them a favorable outcome to the war. At the very least they will sit back and wait to see what Trump does before they do a damn thing.
SadCauliflower1307@reddit
Itâs incredibly unlikely Putin would go nuclear at this stage.
Regardless of what you read on Reddit, Russia has the upper hand in this conflict. The incursion into Kursk has largely been halted, and Ukrainian forces are slowly being pushed back in Ukraine. The Russian economy has been boosted by massive military spending and competition for labor with the army, resulting in very positive domestic consumer sentiment. With Trumpâs election and the upcoming German federal election, itâs doubtful that Ukraine is going to see increased material support from NATO in the foreseeable future. Even if it received it, there arenât enough mobilized forces to effectively mount an all out offensive a la 2023, and the manpower Ukraine does have is exhausted.
Putin doesnât need to upend the current situation, and the Ukrainians have their hands tied by an increasingly disinterested west. Ukraine isnât the place Iâd be worried about in terms of escalating international crisesâŚ
I_love_stapler@reddit
In the US almost nothing would change.
Indentured-peasant@reddit
Always good to try and be fully stocked as best you can at all times.
No-Understanding-357@reddit (OP)
Yup, thats my problem. Ive gone from 5 month supply to almost nothing. I mismanaged my stash and ate the good stuff and let my gas go bad"ish". The gad still runs in the vic.
Specialist-Way-648@reddit
They won't do shit so, don't worry about that!
EverVigilant1@reddit
It does feel quiet. Too quiet. I don't like it. I'm far more worried about domestic violence, government machinations, and behind the scenes manipulation than I am about international events. I'm far more concerned about the uniparty causing a constitutional crisis (and resulting widespread civil unrest) by refusing in one way or another to abide by decisive election results.
All that would cause stock market instability followed by supply chain problems.
cappyvee@reddit
Those that refused to abide by election results won this time, so there's that.
EverVigilant1@reddit
no matter what happened, half the country was going to be extremely unhappy with the results. It's just that we haven't heard yet from the side that "lost" this time. They're Biden their time until after the first of the year. If you think J6 2021 was bad, just WAIT till you see what the other side could do with it.
Bergman51@reddit
Did I miss something? Didn't Kamala concede and Biden hosted Trump at the White House last week? As far as I know, there will be a peaceful transition of power, but let me know if I missed something that wasn't a conspiracy.
EverVigilant1@reddit
I don't trust them. It's only been 2 weeks. The electoral college has not met; the electors have not been accepted or certified; and the president-elect has not been inaugurated.
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agent_flounder@reddit
You didn't. It's a giant truckload of malarkey.
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Fun_Journalist4199@reddit
Relax, the domestic terrorists won. There won't be a problem
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Foragologist@reddit
Do you mean all conservatives are domestic terrorists?
Fun_Journalist4199@reddit
Hey that's their words, not mine
Foragologist@reddit
How is this not in your words?
Fun_Journalist4199@reddit
They flew a banner at the 2022 CPAC that said "we are all domestic terrorists"
That's their words bud
Foragologist@reddit
That didnt answer my question though?
Fun_Journalist4199@reddit
Do you not understand the common phrase, "your words not mine"?
Foragologist@reddit
Im sorry, ill try to be more clear - do you believe all conservatives are domestic terrorists?
Fun_Journalist4199@reddit
Here let me explain, they said "we are all domestic terrorists".
I said "the domestic terrorists won"
So when you asked if I meant all conservatives are domestic terrorists, that's their words, not mine
That's a claim by republican politicians, not me
Foragologist@reddit
I am not asking what a few people flying a flag said.Â
The question to you is simple, and for the third time - Do you believe all conservative people are domestic terrorists.
Fun_Journalist4199@reddit
I'm not sure. Those "few people" were Republican politicians who either had held, were holding, or aspired to hold public office in the United States.
Do you think we can trust what Republican politicians tell us or not?
Foragologist@reddit
I don't trust any politician, so no.Â
I'm just weary of anyone who judges people based on their membership in a single group. If you've crossed into the territory of seeing the other side as "evil", then you're just part of the problem in my opinion. Red or blue.Â
EverVigilant1@reddit
Your interlocutors are the same people who think Trump will "seek vengeance" on his "political enemies" and that Trump has said he'll "govern as a dictator".
Foragologist@reddit
That didn't answer my question though?
cappyvee@reddit
Well I am the other side and Iâm just watching the show. đż
agent_flounder@reddit
Laughable nonsense.
Unlike the last election the candidate who lost conceded and congratulated the winner. The loser isn't going to spread falsehoods non stop about the integrity of the election with zero evidence.
The loser isn't going to incite a crowd to storm the fucking capitol building. The losing party isn't making plans to fail to certify the election like the other party did.
Try harder.
analogliving71@reddit
maybe not but the left has been already
literally NEVER HAPPENED DUDE.
you first
EverVigilant1@reddit
You dont' know any of that. It's only been 2 weeks.
chubsplaysthebanjo@reddit
How many watts is that projector you're using? Do you think that's what the other side will do because that's what you would do? Or is it because people have been feeding you "oh it's gonna be bad"
EverVigilant1@reddit
I "would" not do anything other than obey the rule of law. This isn't about me, so put your attack puppy away, chubby.
Pretty sure the "losers" this time around will want their revenge. They're fucking pissed that they lost, and they have lots of time to regroup.
No one has been "feeding" me anything. This just doesn't feel right, is all I'm saying.
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Chief7064@reddit
Except those current election deniers in Pennsylvania. They are a threat to our democracy.
EverVigilant1@reddit
Your interlocutors are the same people who think Trump will "seek vengeance" on his "political enemies" and that Trump has said he'll "govern as a dictator".
Leader_2_light@reddit
Oh no, the stock market
MT-Kintsugi-@reddit
Something else to keep in mind is the fact that the longshoreman in the shipping areas have promised that theyâre going to go on strike on January 20, when Trump is inaugurated. So I think itâs wise to prepare for that, and expect that there will be some supplies that we are in short supply of that are imported.
snuffy_bodacious@reddit
If Russia was to drop a nuclear device in Ukraine, they might as well hit the rest of Western Europe and the United States because that's what's going to happen anyways.
To be properly prepped means your first thought to any disaster is to retreat to your home and stay there. If you have a mind to raid the grocery store, you're already in a bad position.
Keepingthethrowaway@reddit
It doesnât feel closer at all. Iâve actually felt more confident recently than I have in the past.
New_Section_9374@reddit
Why would they nuke anything?!? Trump will be having a flash sale of any and everything in America come January. Putin could drop enough to cover his court fees and the orange bozo would probably invade Ukraine and then hand the whole country over to him.
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analogliving71@reddit
i can tell you have been on reddit way too long..
Potential-Ad2185@reddit
Iâm not happy with Biden shambling us towards world war.
TrekRider911@reddit
Why would the power grid shutdown if Ukraine got attacked? Assuming warfare is contained to Europe, no reason our grids would shutdown immediately.
spatialnorton09@reddit
Itâs in Preppers Fantasy Volume 4.
lerpo@reddit
"Canadian Prepper told me so "
randynumbergenerator@reddit
Well look at that, it's a Tuesday.
Ymareth@reddit
Not everyone here is from the US.
Albine2@reddit
First detentating any type of nuke is a game changer, all bets are off! The monetary markets would implode initially. There would be hoarding and initial panic. I think it would calm down though and probably spell the defeat of Russia. World would line up against them could sway China and Iran to pull back. I don't think the timing is right for this presently
Commercial_Yak7468@reddit
Just adding to this.
There is no way they are detecting while Biden is in office and has a pentagon that would retaliate.Â
If it happens it would be during the next administration because Trump would not retaliate, when it comes to Putin he always backs down
Leader_2_light@reddit
There's no point to do it during Trump's presidency either because Trump is already going to cut off supplies to Ukraine.
Commercial_Yak7468@reddit
I meant when it comes to Putin, Trump always backs down. I edited my response to reflect that.
AZULDEFILER@reddit
Can't conquer radioactive land...so there is that
Protect_your_2a@reddit
Depends, are you in the EU or the US? If in the EU then I understand that reaction because itâs relatively in the backyard so to speak- in the US I feel like nothing generates a reaction from the public unless it is happening directly on our soil i.e. Covid. When it all started it was a âwell that sucks for Chinaâ moment. As soon as the first cases started here that is when fear and panic set in. Same thing with the wars in the Middle East, to us watching war footage is a typical Tuesday, it wasnât until the twin towers that people started freaking out about repeat attacks on US soil.
wpbth@reddit
No. Biden met with China. No ones launching nukes.
nunyabizz62@reddit
I am mostly set for around 2 years on most things.
Excellent_Condition@reddit
Nope.
Feelings and intuition can be useful, but they are a result of cognitive bias- your brain's quick shortcuts to processing information. They are useful if you need a instantaneous decision, but otherwise shouldn't be relied on. Making decisions based on emotion leads to bad decision making.
If something feels like danger or the calm before the storm, you need to stop and ask if it's something that you could reasonably perceive danger signs of. If the answer is yes, then try to explain to yourself the basis for that feeling. Then see how you could refute it. If you can't refute it, then it makes sense to explore further.
In this case, Russia has been aggressive in its military campaign for the past 2.5 years. The situation is constantly changing, but I don't think we have enough information to support thinking that this is a period of calm before a nuke is used for the firs time in 80 years and the first time in history since MAD.
It's worth it to consider how you would handle any disaster, as most require the same basic tools (food, water, shelter, cash, etc.), but I don't think there is a basis to think this is the calm before the storm in regards to a nuclear attack.
Raddish3030@reddit
We've been in the storm for awhile.
I mean, We lived through a period where Nord Stream pipeline was destroyed and the Russians were blamed for destroying their OWN PIPELINE through out western media. This isn't considering the notion that the Russians would benefit significantly monetarily and politically by having that pipeline operational to Europe.
The storm is here already. And no real local unrest pending a Covid level of unrest and George Floyd level of racially motivated riots.
TheRealBunkerJohn@reddit
Short answer: Yes.
People who dismiss the nuclear threat are either ignorant or uninformed. Russia is actively pouring money into shelters for their population, and their view in regards to nuclear weapons (culturally, religiously, and militarily) is an alien perspective to much of those in the West. This leaves a lot of room for misinterpretation of what is escalation vs de-escalation.
I personally wouldn't be surprised if things went nuclear within the next few years- a single device detonated at bare minimum. But once we're on that ladder...I hope and pray it stops at that.
I prepare in case it doesn't.
TangeloEmergency9161@reddit
in your opinion whatâre some warning signs itâll go nuclear? like immediate signs to look out for. if any.Â
TheRealBunkerJohn@reddit
The main things I'd watch out for are evacuation of major Russian cities, potential wide-spread, and serious cyber attacks on nearby nations to disrupt & discourage response.
Reddit_BroZar@reddit
Aside from doubts that it'll come to this, a detonation of a tactical nuke in Ukraine will result in nothing for the rest of the world unless things escalate via NATO response. So essentially it's either nothing or a full scale nuclear apocalypse. Last minute shopping will bring very little comfort in both cases.
ResolutionMaterial81@reddit
I think the Western World would lose their minds with the realization of how unprepared they are. Likely a run on the financial markets, supermarkets, etc.
Grotesquely lopsided Supply & Demand issues with items such as IOSat, etc...greatly inflated prices..much worse than Fukushima.
Media Talking Heads confusing the situation further with their lack of knowledge, news cycle feeding frenzy & desire to control the narrative.
EverVigilant1@reddit
I don't know why you're being downvoted - the west is woefully unprepared.
ResolutionMaterial81@reddit
Russia is MUCH better prepared to weather a Nuclear War than we are. Much of their population is either scattered or has fallout/blast shelters.
Clinton on the other hand...killed US Civil Defense in the 1990s.
Putin & his sycophants can go into their deluxe bunkers with some Russian Hotties & a couple cases of Vodka.. be rulers of the world (along with China, NK, etc) when the dust settles.
TheSensiblePrepper@reddit
It feels like Tuesday.
BatemansChainsaw@reddit
Yep. Turn off the tv and don't let the hyped panic on the other side of the planet turn into panic here.
Outrageous_Moose_949@reddit
You think itâs just scare mongering?
HappyGarden99@reddit
It's just another Tuesday in my world. Putin is throwing a little mantrum, and I need to figure out what to thaw for dinner tonight. I also need to get ahead of ordering contacts before tariffs hit.
ballskindrapes@reddit
They won't.
This is no different than the saber rattling done by north korea...
Getting worked up over this ignores the political and objective realities of the world.
This is just to try to scare people into back down in Ukraine, but it is just empty words.
AdditionalAd9794@reddit
I doubt it would change anything. We keep crossing the imaginary lines Russia draws in the sand in terms of providing tanks and F-16s and such. I'd be curious if we'd do anything about Russia crossing imaginary lines in the sand the west has drawn
Mynplus1throwaway@reddit
People have asked the same question on this sub for years and years. Prep don't panic
certifiedintelligent@reddit
Putin isnât suicidal.
Putin knows that if he uses any nuke, heâs going to die. It could be from a short but intense conflict with NATO, but itâs far more likely that he falls out of a 13th story hospital window. The rest of the Russian oligarchy knows nobody is going to survive either war with NATO or a nuclear holocaust, so there are many people within Russian leadership that would off Putin if he decided on using nukes.
Ymareth@reddit
The Russians are aiming for world war it seems. I went shopping some more items for the pantry. And I'll fill up the gas tank tomorrow. Feels better to have added a little now so I'll have a few less things to worry about.
CatchMeIfYouCan09@reddit
No. Biden did
Additional-Stay-4355@reddit
No. Putin has proven himself to be full of shit. But, he's smart. He knows that the use of a nuke will not help him achieve anything. An irradiated Ukraine has no value to him, and the backlash from the rest of the world (including his allies) just ain't worth it.
flying_wrenches@reddit
Nuclear weapon= high chance of article 5= Eastern Europe+ the USA using the stuff they bought from Raytheon but canât talk about.= no nuclear weapons, only threats.
Fantastic-Series9339@reddit
Russia would not detonate a nuclear bomb. It would not benefit them in anyway. Only solidify support against them and possibly risk a direct intervention by NATO. No fear mongering needed by others in this thread.
pf_burner_acct@reddit
Nothing. I think western leadership is not prepared for serious action. Do we all really think Biden is steering the ship right now? We knew four years ago that he was just a rutabaga with a haircut. What's playing out now is extra terrifying because the guy we elected isn't moving the chess pieces right now.
Puzzleheaded-Rub-396@reddit
It feels more like the threat matrix shifted from extremely unlikely cartoon posturing nuclear fantasy barf, to a low/medium risk scenario that warrants prudent basic preparation, but without panicking.
It would still take a lot more before reaching the high probability mark. Nukes are end game weapons, the literal point of no return. There is zero chance of any de-escalation after a nuke is used and even the crazy train Orcs know that.
BallsOutKrunked@reddit
fortunate son intensifies
AiGPORN@reddit
Nothing, no one actually cares about Ukraine.
pea99@reddit
Most likely nuclear war. Launch detection systems are incredibly accurate, and the US has a launch on warning policy.
So prepping may be pointless.
IWannaGoFast00@reddit
The US would not drop nukes on Russia if they used one in the Ukraine. None NATO country and not a threat to American lives.