Berlin police advise LGBTQ and Jews to avoid Arab-majority areas

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OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)

I didnt anticipate people questioning the existence of sources on this topic - tho i shouldve, given the state of this sub.

So before more people claim that there arent sources on this topic outside of jewish newspapers, here goes:

English:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/18/jews-gay-people-hide-identity-arab-areas-germany/

German:

https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2024-11/berlin-polizeipraesidentin-juden-homosexuelle-gefahr-orte-islamismus

https://www.welt.de/out-of-home/panorama/article254568892/Berlin-Polizeipraesidentin-raet-Juden-zu-Vorsicht-in-Teilen-Berlins.html?wtrid=socialmedia.socialflow....socialflow_twitter

Austrian:

https://www.derstandard.at/story/3000000245451/polizeichefin-r228t-juden-homosexuellen-zu-vorsicht-in-teilen-berlins

French:

https://www.lefigaro.fr/international/allemagne-la-chef-de-la-police-de-berlin-conseille-aux-juifs-et-aux-homosexuels-d-etre-prudents-dans-certains-quartiers-20241118

Spanish:

https://www.abc.es/internacional/jefa-policia-berlin-aconseja-judios-homosexuales-tener-20241119132406-nt.html

These are all quality sources i frequently read.

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freeman2949583@reddit

Here’s the translated relevant parts from Berliner Zeitung, the original source:

Dr. Slowik, is Berlin a safe city?

Berlin is as safe as many other cities in Germany and safer than many other European capitals.

Are there no-go areas?

In principle, no. However, there are areas – and we must be honest here – where I would advise people who wear kippahs or are openly gay or lesbian to be more cautious. In many metropolises, it's generally wise to be vigilant in certain public places to protect oneself from any potential crime.

They talk about unrelated police stuff

Since October 7, 2023, more than 6200 investigative proceedings have been initiated. You mentioned earlier there are certain areas in the city where one should not wear a kippah openly. Who poses a danger to Jewish people?

I will not defame any group of people here. Unfortunately, there are certain neighborhoods predominantly inhabited by people of Arab descent who also harbor sympathies for terrorist groups. Open anti-Semitism is expressed there against people of Jewish faith and descent. Since October 7, 2023, we have initiated over 6200 investigative proceedings. A large part consists of hate postings on social media, another large part is property damage, and a significant portion involves propaganda offenses.

The violent offenses, accounting for 1300 investigative procedures, are primarily directed against police officers at the fringes of gatherings. It's important for me to state this. I am very concerned that people from the Jewish-Israeli community in Berlin perceive the total number of anti-Semitic crimes and this increases their fear of being targeted.

What actually occurs – from insults to physical assaults? The numbers from the research center RIAS speak for themselves.

I am not downplaying this, on the contrary. Fortunately, violent crimes against Jewish people are relatively few, although unquestionably every such act is one too many. Still, I can understand the fear and concern that remain.

They talk about stuff regarding protests

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THEMIKEPATERSON@reddit

Germany counts flying a Palestinian flag as an "Anti-Semitic Crime"...so....yeah.

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DarkStriferX@reddit

Source for this claim?

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throwawayerectpenis@reddit

What source? People were literally getting arrested for bearing the Palestinian flag be ause apparantly supporting a Palestinian state means that you support t*rrorism.

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SufficientCommon9850@reddit

Yes, all these articles confirm that German police are purposely fomenting anti-Muslim hatred. So what point were you trying to make?

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OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)

I guess the muslims in Germany calling for a caliphate were all just undercover police officers

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SufficientCommon9850@reddit

This has literally 0 to do with the article you posted. And "calling for a caliphate" is not a crime, let alone a hate crime.

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Silberbaum@reddit

Calling for a caliphate in germany shows an intention to abolish the liberal democratic basic order and is literally against the german basic law (constitution), so it is indeed a call for trouble.

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SufficientCommon9850@reddit

We're talking about hate crimes against actual people so please stay on topic.

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Silberbaum@reddit

I just wanted to correct your blatant misconception. \^\^

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what_the_eve@reddit

Again misinformation. A call for a caliphate is against the liberal-democratic rule of law. It is considered a crime in germany and is being enforced.

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SufficientCommon9850@reddit

Again not what the article is about. But it seems like you're desperately latching on to this because you do not actually have an argument.

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OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)

Youre saying its blind, baseless islamophobia.

Im basically saying take your pick of the numerous incidents weve had in germany or europe for that matter over the yrs.

The fact youre cool with muslims calling for a caliphate on european streets is beyond wild. People like you always find a way to rationalise and excuse their behavior.

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roydez@reddit

the muslims in Germany calling for a caliphate

There's also native Germans calling for a Fourth Reich. Is there evidence evidence that these people are the rule and not the exception?

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what_the_eve@reddit

This is misinformation.

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SufficientCommon9850@reddit

Prove me wrong.

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what_the_eve@reddit

You made the claim, you provide the proof. Besides you are a 2 week account that is obviously authoritarian leftist - this news sub should not be a place for your misinfo agenda.

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stprnn@reddit

the problem is you are lying in the title.

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TheDoomMelon@reddit

Telegraph a very right wing anti muslim paper in the UK?

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OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)

Yes, combined with the very left wing austrian Der Standard, so what the fuck are you trying to get at? You do understand that these are direct quotes from the Berlin police chief right?

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TheDoomMelon@reddit

I haven’t seen a public official lie about anti Jewish attacks since about two weeks ago

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KatzDeli@reddit

The mental gymnastics to defend antisemitism is strong.

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yshywixwhywh@reddit

Baseless scapegoating of minority neighborhoods by an incompetent government beset with economic woes?

In MY Germany!?

"Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce." K.M.

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BurntTimbers@reddit

Oh, people are criticizing the brown people religion, I’ll save you!

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OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)

"I dont like what i read, so it must be fake"

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yshywixwhywh@reddit

Let's not be illiterate about this. The cop said what she said, I'm simply mocking her for it.

One thing she's right about: there has been an explosion of antisemitic violence in Germany. Namely, agents of the State assaulting and imprisoning hundreds of Anti-Zionist Jews, themselves now accused of being "antisemitic" for the crime of protesting German support for Israeli atrocities.

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what_the_eve@reddit

Unless you provide proof to the claim, this is ideologic agendaposting and misinformation.

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OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)

Reducing the chief of police giving an assessment on the situation to "a cop" sums up the value of your contributions quite nicely

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yshywixwhywh@reddit

Assess my ass you smug cunt

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SufficientCommon9850@reddit

What did I read? Literally nothing happened.

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150c_vapour@reddit

Can't find anything about this in the German media. First page of results is all hindu and Israeli sources. First English source is daily mail. So weird. Wonder why that is.

I like too how this one police chief admits that the vast majority of arrests for "violence" were against police officers not members of any other community. And certainly to conflate anti-lgbqt sentiment with anti-genocide protests is extremely disingenuous. Israelis have statistically killed more innocent gay men then any other country this year. Just by virtue of scale of death and the percentage in the population there that must be gay.

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Zipz@reddit

Did you even try looking ?

Let alone it’s a quote

“There are areas of the city, we need to be perfectly honest here, where I would advise people who wear a kippah or are openly gay to be more careful,” said Barbara Slowik.

“There are certain neighbourhoods where the majority of people of Arab origin live, who also have sympathies for terrorist groups,” she said, adding that they were often “openly hostile towards Jews”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/18/jews-gay-people-hide-identity-arab-areas-germany/

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travistravis@reddit

Digging into the OSCE hate crime tool that your extra content highlighted, it looks like antisemitic incidents dropped significantly from 2022 to 2023 -- from 51 in 2022, down to 9 in 2023. Anti-muslim hate crime has seemed to go the opposite direction, from 12 incidents in 2022 up to 95 incidents in 2023.

OSCE doesn't have data for 2024 yet, so I'm wondering where the data for this 'sharp rise' is -- especially when 2022 and 2016 are the only years in this tool where antisemitic crimes are larger than other religious groups.

All in all I'm not even sure this tool is super useful as a statistical tool, since it's a compilation of collected civil reports. It may be simply measuring how good various organisations are at cataloguing and reporting these events to this group.

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Zipz@reddit

Your stats are clearly incomplete

2022 is missing about 1000 crimes for Jews alone…..

Let alone even if what you said is accurate. By my math Jews are still 10 times more likely to be hate crimed

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Elman89@reddit

You're blaming all that on the Arabs as if Germany didn't have dangerous far right movements who are known for this sort of shit.

Here's an article about that year

Every fifth antisemitic incident has a conspiracy background, according to what RIAS documented. A right-wing extremist background was involved in 13 % of all incidents, while 53% of the incidents could not be clearly linked to a specific political background.

And here's another one

According to the report, neo-Nazis and right-wing extremists carried out 1,170 violent attacks last year targeting migrants, refugees, or political opponents. At least 675 people were injured in those attacks.

German police also recorded 5,372 xenophobic incidents, 2,641 anti-Semitic, and 610 Islamophobic hate crimes.

You seem to have a clear agenda here. Antisemitism is real and a big fucking problem, but it doesn't justify using real concerns about antisemitism to bash muslims and support an Apartheid state that's committing genocide. While at the same time whitewashing the far right.

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Zipz@reddit

When in my comment did I bash or blame Muslims?

It’s funny your agenda is clear. You lied about me

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Elman89@reddit

It seemed heavily implied. You quoted a cop saying Muslim areas are dangerous for Jewish people, then compared Jew and Muslim populations and the amount of racist violence they suffer. The implication being that the reason Jewish people suffer way more violence is because it's the Muslims doing it (presumably other racists would hate Jews and Muslims equally, right?).

Sorry if that's not how you meant it, but that was my interpretation.

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OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)

Neonazis do it as well, thats a fact.

Theres been a significant uptick in antisemitic incidents across Europe since October 7, thats also an undeniable fact.

Overall, antisemitic incidents have risen since the 2015 refugee crisis, thats also a fact.

Are muslims to blame for all the incidents? No.

Do they have to be blamed for playing a significant part in it? Yes.

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travistravis@reddit

Do you have any proof of this? The information I've seen from the German reports don't specify demographics of perpetrators for specific segments of crimes.

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Zipz@reddit

You are ignoring context

The top comment that I responded to made it seem like this was a conspiracy. That Israeli media made it up. When it’s a quote. So I posted for them

You say it’s a honest mistake but then double down.

Pretty sad

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150c_vapour@reddit

They didn't make it up. They took a translated soundbite and wrote bullshit stories about this new "progrom" in europe. And then the story was boosted so that only those translated soundbites show up in the top social media feeds.

There are places in the world where Israeli disinfo ops are not in full effect. Sentiment is much different. https://x.com/qiaocollective/status/1858546631919968367

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Elman89@reddit

Alright, that's fair enough. Sorry about that.

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SufficientCommon9850@reddit

the sharp rise in antisemitism this last year

I have yet to see evidence for this other than people on the internet saying so.

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Zipz@reddit

https://www.reuters.com/world/open-hatred-jews-surges-globally-inflamed-by-gaza-war-2023-10-31/

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/antisemitism-rose-more-than-80-germany-last-year-watchdog-says-2024-06-25/

https://fra.europa.eu/en/news/2024/jews-europe-still-face-high-levels-antisemitism

You know you could just take a second to look.

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flamehead2k1@reddit

Can't find anything about this in the German media

Several YouTube videos in German by German media outlets.

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150c_vapour@reddit

I know it's covered by german outlets. I mean, the story, as written in Israeli tabloids, is plastered all over reddit and the front page of my google search results. Why does that happen? It's a non-story, just a cop making a typical cop comment.

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flamehead2k1@reddit

I know it's covered by german outlets

Then why did you say you didn't see anything in the German media?

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FantasticMacaron9341@reddit

Its called moving the goalposts

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OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)

It's a non-story

Its a non story he says, commenting under a post that directly quotes the chief of police in Berlin admitting that in effect there are no go zones for lgbtq people and jews in areas, that are predominantly arab within the city.

Talk about mental gymnastics.

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Scratch_Careful@reddit

https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/mensch-metropole/polizeichefin-barbara-slowik-im-interview-so-sicher-ist-berlin-wirklich-li.2272408

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FantasticMacaron9341@reddit

Delete this please, people need to see this as a ~~jewish~~ Israeli conspiracy

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SufficientCommon9850@reddit

Almost as if there actually is a zionist conspiracy to foment Islamophobia.

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FantasticMacaron9341@reddit

Not you searching for any money transfer on google and posting about a guy in england getting money from pro israeli groups as proof that the berlin police is ruled by jews.💀

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MountainTurkey@reddit

The telegraph? A tabloid?

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Scratch_Careful@reddit

Telegraph is a broadsheet.

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beton-brennt-doch@reddit

You can also find an article about it in the FAZ https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/polizeipraesidentin-raet-juden-zu-vorsicht-in-teilen-berlins-110119509.html and the spiegel https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/berlin-polizeipraesidentin-raet-juden-und-homosexuellen-in-teilen-der-stadt-zu-mehr-vorsicht-a-e9234b2d-57b9-4773-9c3e-8b616577a286

It is definetly something that the chief of police in berlin said. If you believe her and how you evaluate the statistics about verbal, online, or physical violence is up to you but it is true that the chief of police has made that statement.

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Assassiiinuss@reddit

There's very little English language media in Germany, that's probably why you didn't find anything.

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HummusSwipper@reddit

Israelis have statistically killed more innocent gay men then any other country this year Just by virtue of scale of death and the percentage in the population there that must be gay.

This is some unhinged mental gymnastics and superb deflection. "Oh rioters in Europe are targeting LGBTQ and Jews? WELLL WHAT ABOUT ISRAEL"

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SufficientCommon9850@reddit

So nothing actually happened. But the police are just trying their best to foment Islamophobia and this sub is lapping it up because it's full of racist losers? Am I missing something?

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Brilliant-Lab546@reddit

Yes, because stabbings by Muslims in the name of ISIS ,Islam and Palestine ,antisemitism from literally every Muslim community in Germany in both words and action(like the recent demonstrations of them demanding a caliphate in Germany) and more recently some Muslims(specifically from Afghanistan actually) uploading photos of German girls (some of them underage) and women in non-Islamic clothing under the tag wh*re is not enough.
Right??
RIGHT???

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stprnn@reddit

lol what XD

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SufficientCommon9850@reddit

antisemitism from literally every Muslim community in Germany in both words and action

Antisemitism? Like calling for an end to the Gaza genocide?

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Thetwitchingvoid@reddit

I struggle to believe it’s as bad as what they’re saying tbh.

Has any one ever done a social experiment of wearing a kippah and walking through these “no go zones” at all?

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what_the_eve@reddit

There is at least one documented incident, that follows such a causality:

- German: https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/antisemitismus-141.html
- English article about the sentencing: https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-court-finds-teen-guilty-of-assault-in-attack-on-kippa-wearer/a-44389083

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stprnn@reddit

at least ONE???? oh my god what will we DO!!!

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freeman2949583@reddit

If somebody did that they’d just be accused of deliberately agitating the locals (which would be technically correct I guess). It’s exactly the response to what happened in the UK when Muslim protestors were recorded threatening a guy in a kippah on tape and a cop threatened to arrest him for being “openly Jewish,” people here said why would he be dressed like that if not to upset people…

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warnie685@reddit

"Die Berliner Polizeipräsidentin Barbara Slowik hat Juden und Homosexuelle zur Vorsicht im öffentlichen Raum aufgerufen. Grundsätzlich gebe es in der Hauptstadt keine sogenannten No-go-Areas, sagte sie der Berliner Zeitung. "Es gibt allerdings Bereiche – und so ehrlich müssen wir an dieser Stelle sein – da würde ich Menschen, die Kippa tragen oder offen schwul oder lesbisch sind, raten, aufmerksamer zu sein", sagte Slowik."

She did not say to avoid certain areas, she said the opposite, that there are no no-go-areas. There are however areas where people that wear a kippa or are openly gay should be more aware (to watch out more).

Fake headline

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OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)

She said "grundsätzlich" or in principle, which, as any law student will tell you, is the most important word in legalese because you always have an out in case youre wrong.

Saying "in principle there arent no go areas per se" and following it up by telling people wearinf a kippah or being openly gay to be careful in certain areas... yeah

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warnie685@reddit

She did not say avoid, it's a fake headline.

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OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)

Yes, that is the big issue with this topic. A slight mistranslation that still is close to the original meaning and not the actual content of the message that has been said.

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stprnn@reddit

yes when you write a lie in the title people will doubt everything else you post.

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stprnn@reddit

can we remove the dumb top comment rule? i dont need 1540 characters to say

THE TITLE IS A LIE can we remove the dumb top comment rule? i dont need 1540 characters to say

THE TITLE IS A LIE

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Unable_Duck9588@reddit

So only tabloids. And the article states several times that there have been no actual incidents, just reports that led to nothing.

Quit all the while we have actual news of kids getting murdered in the westbank every other day.

This was tried earlier today and removed due to dodgy sources.

You’re doing the same thing again.

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upsawkward@reddit

Zeit is far from being tabloid lol.

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Unable_Duck9588@reddit

Lol, ok.

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OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)

So only tabloids.

I posted an handful of sources, none of which are tabloids. What on earth are you waffling about?

Quit all the while we have actual news of kids getting murdered in the westbank every other day.

Huh? What exactly does the westbank have to do with Berlin - a city that, last time i checked, decidedly wasnt located anywhere near the westbank?!

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Unable_Duck9588@reddit

Every single one of your sourced are tabloids.

There is a reason why noone serious would post this. We had a thread just like this one in the morning, trying the same agenda posting.

We should focus more on real events reported by real papers, such as the dead children in the westbank, not nothingburger reports by tabloids with a clear racist agenda.

Do better.

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Britstuckinamerica@reddit

Literally every newspaper there is on the Newspapers of Record list for their respective countries. I'd love to see what rags you think are "real papers" lmao

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Ok-Elk-3801@reddit

CNN litterally published a video of Maccabi football fans (Israeli club) abusing people but claiming they were arabs looking for Israelis to abuse. I don't believe that any newspaper by the virtue of being considered reputable ought to be considered free of political influence.

Since the Israeli state has long been pushing the narrative that jews are only safe in Israel, it is prudent to be skeptical whenever these kinds of narratives arise in media. That is not to say the Berlin situation described here is not true, it could very well be, but one ought to evaluate news based on cited sources, not only on the reputation of the newspaper.

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Britstuckinamerica@reddit

CNN hasn't been reputable for quite a while and you'll notice they're not on that list.

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travistravis@reddit

On the list of "Newspapers of Record"?

I wonder why Cable News Network, a multinational news channel and website wouldn't be on a list of Newspapers of record

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Britstuckinamerica@reddit

CNN literally [did something stupid]. I don't believe that any newspaper...

That's the comment I replied to lol I'm not shocked CNN isn't not on a newspaper list either

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Ok-Elk-3801@reddit

Do you mean the list of examples? I noticed Haaretx was on the list. As far as i know they consider the war in Gaza to be ethnic cleansing.

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Britstuckinamerica@reddit

I don't think you understand the concept of a Newspaper of Record. Read the rest of the article

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Ok-Elk-3801@reddit

Or you could answer my questions instead of pointing to a wikipedia article?

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Britstuckinamerica@reddit

Do you honestly think there's a list of newspapers in which 100% of the articles are true? Are you older than 12? I can ask silly questions as well.

Haaretz, as Israel's most popular and oldest newspaper, with a large circulation that is independent of government, is respected enough to be Israel's newspaper of record. That does not mean that everything in it is true, but it does mean that it provides accurate, high-quality reporting. CNN does not satisfy this criteria. The Wall Street Journal does.

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Ok-Elk-3801@reddit

That's my very point. The any article, no matter it's publisher, must be assessed based on it's individual merits. That list you linked is 1. only a collection of examples, it is not exhaustive, and 2. it would not matter if it was exhaustive since reputable newspapers are not 100 % correct all the time. Just quit it with the appeal to authority fallacy.

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Britstuckinamerica@reddit

Right - so what exactly is inaccurate in the Zeit.de article, for example? What are you even arguing here? Disputing that she said it at all?

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Ok-Elk-3801@reddit

I'm saying reputable media made this very mistake just days ago with regards to the "pogroms" in Amsterdam, when they amplified the statement of mayor Halsema without checking the facts on the ground properly. As i wrote in a previous comment, I'm not claiming what the police chief says is false. I'm merely urging people to consider the proliferation of misinformation, even by reputable media, on this subject. Anyone ought to think critically when faced with a narrative claiming that a certain ethic group constitutes a threat. You may not believe that, but a lot of people commenting on this post is attempting to spin it that way.

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Unable_Duck9588@reddit

Anything that’s not a tabloid… like the ones above.

Lmao.

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Britstuckinamerica@reddit

Worst troll I've seen in months

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Unable_Duck9588@reddit

You should hang out in worldnews for that.

Or many of the pro Israeli government accounts that post regularly here. You’d be surprised.

Kisses and hugs.

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Britstuckinamerica@reddit

Your proof that those papers are tabloids is literally that you don't like the news lol. Every single one of the cited papers are objectively reputable and, big surprise, has published something that you will like. Does that make them reputable again?

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Unable_Duck9588@reddit

Lol no.

Nice try though

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beton-brennt-doch@reddit

The german ones aren't tabloids either. And you can find the story about this quote of Berlin's chief of police in other respected german media outlets as well.

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Unable_Duck9588@reddit

Yes they are. And she talks about how there are no actual instances of violence, only online trolling.

But let’s get the tabloids to report it as fact, its not like stoking islamaphobia is popular these days and helps fuel the AFD and similar groups’ profile and support.

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beton-brennt-doch@reddit

They are not tabloids. But if you are not happy with the liked news outlets you can google Babar Slowik and can also find the FAZ and the Spiegel. It is not mentioned on Tagesschau however I give you that. Most of them also mainly report her statement that she would not recommend visibly Jewish or Queer people to go into certain areas and her statements on the statistics that most of the delicts are hatespeech on the internet while only few are actual physical violence. And thats it. They report HER statements. They don't claim that these statements are objective facts. I also didn't get the impression from the articles I read that they want to push for a certain interpretation or for the reader to take her quotes as gospel.

I get tho that such statements from someone so high up in the executive arm of the government make you angry. I also doubt the usefulness of her statement to out it lightly. Germany's politics are an absolute shitshow and everything just seems to play into the hands of AfD. We have a problem with antisemitism AND we have a problem with islamophobia. Pitting both problems against each other just helps the fear mongers.

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Jane_Doe_32@reddit

I don't know about the other media, but Spain's ABC newspaper is far from being a tabloid, but keep up your subtle attempt to publicize your agenda that is barely noticeable...

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Unable_Duck9588@reddit

Not trying to hide anything, its very apparent what my stance is… I don’t like innocent people dying and whole groups of people being treated in a racist manner.

It’s wrong and backwards, and islamophobia has no place in the civilized world, just like anti-semitism.

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OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)

Youre proudly displaying your ignorance. Good for you mate, good for you.

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warnie685@reddit

You posted a fake headline

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OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)

You posted a fake headline

First off, i cross posted a post from a different sub. Secondly, and more importantly, its literally the headline of the linked article you absolute weapon.

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warnie685@reddit

I don't care, it's your responsibility what the headline is because you posted.

How am I a weapon for pointing out you posted a false translation??

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OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)

Dude, are you slow?

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warnie685@reddit

Kannst du ned lesen?

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OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)

Okay, you are slow.

I cross posted a post from a different sub, who in turn linked an article. The headline of that damn article is what you call "false headline".

Get your act together you nugget.

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warnie685@reddit

Na und? Du hast die Verantortung denn du hast es gepostet. Lösch es dann afach und mache nen neuen mit der richtigen Headline.

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OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)

Funny that youre more concerned with a single word, than you are with the damn chief of police telling jews and gays to be careful in majority muslim neighborhoods.

Sums it up well.

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Unit_with_a_Soul@reddit

our (german) police is very invested in stoking islamophobia in the country, because the less safe the populace feels the more likely they are to receive support and funding for more drastic policing measures.

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ZealousidealClub4119@reddit

This wouldn't surprise me in the least. Aussie police have been known to do the same thing, most notoriously twenty years ago under John Howard when an illusory plague of paedophilia & domestic violence among Aboriginal people in the Northern Territory was used as a pretext for the NT Intervention: a broken windows style police crackdown which was used as cover for taking leases and local government out of Aboriginal hands in their townships. Very grotty stuff.

This Berlin story reminds me of nothing less than the fabricated 'police no go areas in Birmingham because Muslims have taken over' stories that Fox was peddling a few years ago.

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EnergyPolicyQuestion@reddit

I mean, despite only making up a tiny fraction of a percent of Germany’s population Jews still suffer the most hate crimes, not just per capita but in general. It’s not like there isn’t a very real, very significant problem with antisemitism from both far-right and some Muslim communities in Germany.

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travistravis@reddit

Do they release demographics on perpetrators of specific segments of crimes? I haven't seen any yet, but searching German isn't very quick for me.

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Ok-Elk-3801@reddit

Sweden has the same issue. The police department desperately wants more surveillance so that they can cut back on actual officers out on patrol. It's a vicious cycle since the police is becoming alienated from the public which makes their job more difficult. Police work, when done properly, is about building relations in order to create a sense of safety. But the focus on surveillance only makes people feel more unsafe.

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Zipz@reddit

Just looking at stats

https://hatecrime.osce.org/reporting/germany/2022

Jews are targeted more than every other religion combined in Germany

1,422 anti Semitic crimes in 2022

220 anti Muslim crimes in 2022

The Jewish population is 125k

The Muslim population is about 5.3 million

You’d ever think that maybe Jews aren’t safe ?

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Ornery-Feedback-7855@reddit

Why do you think it’s Muslims and not German neo nazis?

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Zipz@reddit

When did I attribute it to Muslims?

Funny your the second person who lied about what I wrote

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Ornery-Feedback-7855@reddit

The comment you’re replying to is about how Germany is stoking Islamophobia. Not sure why your commenting then if it isn’t about that

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Zipz@reddit

Yes the guy made a crazy conspiracy claim.

That’s a problem. It’s funny your not upset at the guy making up a claim. Your upset at me for showing statistics how bad an issue hate crimes against Jews are.

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SufficientCommon9850@reddit

Yes the guy made a crazy conspiracy claim.

This conspiracy is literally being peddled by Berlin's police as per the linked article.

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joevarny@reddit

Yes. Those statistics are clear, obviously there's nothing to the idea that Jews are being targeted.

The wheel of time turns for Germany.

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SufficientCommon9850@reddit

Talks about statistics. Fails to present said statistics...

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Ornery-Feedback-7855@reddit

Why would I be upset that he said that the german government is encouraging Islamophobia if I agree with it? No one is mad that you showed Jewish hate crime stats calm down with the victim complex it’s about falsely attributing it to Muslims.

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OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)

Yes, its a policr conspiracy.

Feel free to make a self experiment with a kippah or being openly gay in one of the areas in question and report back.

(Dont actually do it because, as the chief of police, its not exactly safe)

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TheDoomMelon@reddit

What the hell are you on about man. That is classic alt right conspiracy nonsense. There's only one group that has been roaming the streets beating people for having different views and that's the German police.

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yshywixwhywh@reddit

You don't even have to be in the streets, German morality police are happy to do housecalls. From March of this year:

Earlier this month, Berlin police raided a 41-year-old woman’s apartment for writing “from the river to the sea” four times on social media. This was reported by police as “usage of anti-constitutional symbols”, the same law that bans displaying the swastika, the symbol of the Nazis.

Though if you are on the streets it will go worse for you:

German-Israeli activist Iris Hefets was arrested for the first time in Berlin just a few weeks after the start of Israel’s war on Gaza last October – for holding a sign which read, “As a Jew and Israeli, stop the genocide in Gaza”.

That time, the police told Hefets, a 56-year-old psychoanalyst who is a member of the anti-Zionist activist group Jewish Voice for Peace, it was down to a blanket ban on pro-Palestinian demonstrations.

She was released shortly afterwards but says: “I didn’t think I would get detained for that – I was naive it turns out.”

She was arrested a second time on November 10 for “inciting racial hatred” when she held the same sign – her charge was recently dropped. Her third arrest was for a sign warning that “Zionism kills”. Again, she was released soon after but, this time, her sign was confiscated.

She believes that, for the latter two arrests at least, the decision to detain her was made on the advice of a new special police task force which “is the contact point available for all police forces in connection with the Middle East conflict”, a Berlin police spokesman confirmed to Al Jazeera. The task force was set up on October 30 last year – shortly after Israel’s war on Gaza began.

And to really drive home the level of historical irony going on here, this is how this new "task force" describes itself:

This “Besondere Aufbauorganisation” (BAO) task force, which is part of the Landeskriminalamt (LKA) – the police intelligence centre – keeps an eye on “left-wing and foreign ideologies”, including communist groups and pro-Palestine groups, the police spokesman confirmed. It issues guidance and instructions to police forces about what phrases and words used by activists may be deemed illegal. For example, the Berlin police spokesman told Al Jazeera that, in Berlin, using the phrase “from the river to the sea” is currently considered a crime.

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BiCloverly@reddit

He just SAID to avoid them. The article itself throws doubt on the actual threat and says there have been no incidents. You’re just assuming it’s a valid warning because of the Islamophobia baked in to the culture around you (not your fault)

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redditing_away@reddit

Bullshit, as if the Islamists would need the help for that. The regular terror attacks, regardless of foiled or successful, do the job just fine. Not to speak of the general unease the majority is feeling since everyone agrees that something has changed and not for the better. Go read Özdemir's letter to get an idea of what it might be.

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AtrusHomeboy@reddit

"Do you have a single fact to back that up?" - J.C. Denton, 'Deus Ex'

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fourmi@reddit

Same in France (if you can read french):

"Racist and anti-religious attacks in France between January and June 2024 highlight the extent of antisemitism as a form of hate expression. Although Jews make up less than 1% of the French population, antisemitic attacks now account for 57% of all racist and anti-religious assaults in the country."

How long will Europeans tolerate this?

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suiluhthrown78@reddit

Its not happening, its a conspiracy theory

It might be happening but its too rare to care

It is happening and its good

We are at number 1 in this subreddit at the minute

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Another_WeebOnReddit@reddit

instead of telling them that, you could have started by mass deportion of Arab immigrants who refuse to integrate into German society

also fuck the 150 rule.

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