My Summary: The author, Izzy Muerte, is really sad and frustrated by Current C++ Path.
Izzy has strong disagreements with C++ modules and the "Safe Profiles" idea,
and prefers Sean Baxter Circle compiler approach:
+ A C++ compiler implemented from-the-ground with Lifetimes and Borrow Checker.
Izzy has a hard time seeing a good future for C++ because the Committee, and the People with power to make decisions, are stuck in the past and showed a terrible track record (in the blog author perspective).
Izzy also accuses some persons of rap* (showing proof), naz*sm, and toxic masculinity. Also mixes a lot of politics in the post, like saying that your Rust code might be used by the military to kill people.
To the benefit of Boost folks, they stripped the image away because it was indeed an SS symbol and they're very frustrated that the agency they paid lots of money to design it didn't see it.
Why do people always suggest that talking about politics is wrong? Is that because they usually raise uncomfortable points that you'd rather pretend don't exist?
I doubt that engaging with the standards conference turned their soul any brigther.
Also, while I don't know about C++ social internals, I have learned the hard way that things like bullshitting and gaslighting in corporate environments are not just errors of judgement of a specific person, but they are power constructs, and they are really harmful. For any nice person, it is just smart to invest their energy elsewhere. And on the other hand, when confronted with such stuff, there is a limit of how long being nice is appropiate. The author of the blog has very clearly reached that limit.
Interesting how the article predicted these reactions:
... this post is going to violate the Tech Industry Blog Social Compact. People get uncomfortable when you have a tech blog and then talk about topics that aren’t purely technical (I have some bad news for you and it is that nothing is purely technical ...
I feel like that's a really unfair comparison. People click on an article that they expect is about language design, see a rather extreme trigger warning at the top of the article, and naturally back out without reading the article because wtf. That's intentional. That's what the warning is for.
I agree with the "nothing is purely technical" bit you've quoted, especially because the people shouting the loudest about keeping things "nonpolitical" are typically the worst and just trying to shut down real issues and hinder inclusivity while covering behind a veil of feigned neutrality. But that's completely unrelated to the above commenters going "yo why does this programming article contain mentions of rape, I'm not gonna read that!"
Even briefly skimming the article would make this very obvious. For example, the very second paragraph states that it talks about committee members, and in case you skipped the beginning to go straight to the end they say
This article was never really about C++ the language. It was about C++ the community...
And shocker, organizations sometimes contain bad people who do bad things.
FWIW, the mentions of rape and sexual assault referred to the attempts of the C++ committee and organizers of CppCon to protect Arthur O'Dwyer---later convicted for rape of a drugged victim and possession of child pornography.
Also found very interesting how Microsoft used the dysfunctionality of the C++ commitee in order to command market dominance and now that they are surplus to requirements, they and the US government are ditching them for Rust.
C++ is an old-boys club protecting each other, even if they are pedos
Sometimes it feels like a vocal chunk of software development industry, as a whole, is an old-boys club protecting each other when doing (or at least, saying) creepy stuff. Uncle Bob and Stallman come to mind.
There was a long time where there was so little software expertise that all you needed a firm handshake and authoritative white man face to sell your books, and that's how Robert Cecil Martin got his career as a person who never wrote any software but talked a lot.
There are cases where hexagonal architecture can work, it's not Robert's invention.
What is Robert's contribution however is also calling it "The One Architecture" (in addition to Clean Architecture) and advising an absurd version of it, as in:
advising it use it everywhere, even when making a webapp, so you pay costs for all of the portability of hexagonal architecture while never getting benefits of it
advising people who use a framework like rails to not use the framework directly but instead decouple your application via a hexagonal boundary, so you get none of the benefits of using a framework, and pay all of the cost of designing a framework yourself for talking to the actual framework
Literally everything that man touches turns to shit.
Huh, I thought Clean Architecture was about taking the hexagonal approach and adding layers to it (lower layers can call upper layers directly, upper layers can only have lower layers injected).
For web development, I think it's used in Go? At least that's how Go was taught to me.
I tried it with Rails, and it's doable, but I think most of the time you just don't need it. Rails is a very different beast which specifically is built around "ActiveRecord ~~fucking everywhere~~ as often as we can".
Well, as any salesman will tell you, "clean architecture can be whatever you want it to be as long as you buy it from me".
Here's a talk from a student of Robert's about decoupling a webapp from rails: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg5RFeSfBM4&list=PLEgQacEucCFF4r3SdzLzqIm-EoyGTf_d7&t=299s
The specific linked timecode speaks about how Robert C Martin has been selling his advice for years while only implementing it once on an application he couldn't share (courious that, isn't it?).
The student calls out the approach as unworkable, but he is much less negative about it as I personally am.
Those are pretty much correct yeah. You can argue on the edges about e.g. how much of 2) is bad faith versus just plain old self-centeredness, or how much is the leadership inept, vs looking out for their personal career at the expense of the language long term health.
But since Izzy picked format of meandering journey and evoking emotions, it might pay off to keep in mind that she would also like to take you on a journey to believe Ukraine is aggression by USA against Russia.
Anything valid here is buried in hormonal rage. Author is clearly more invested in smearing C++ as a language based on some stuffy suit types' misbehavior and the sociopolitical discourse of redditors, than conveying information.
Bjarne storming out of an ISO meeting after his feewings got hurt - masculine, stable, worth emulating.
Izzy ranting on her own blog about a myriad of issues that C++ committee has - feminine, hormonal, embarassing.
I was too busy judging the way the article was written to give a rat's ass about who the author is. Humans are hormonal in their developing years as puberty ramps up. Men and women alike. During these stages, they're still acting in an infantile manner but turned up to 11 by hormones.
If your last sentence is suggesting what I think it's suggesting, sounds like someone got to experience puberty again, explaining their immature, hormonal behavior.
No emotions allowed on your watch, very mature indeed. I guess any excuse is good to justify the preconceived disagreement with perceived criticism of C++. Turns out, the author actually likes C++ apparently (they say something along the lines of "C++ is still the closest to my perfect language", they just don't like the committee. Feel better now, with your mature feelings?
The percent of the article that isn't trying to turn you away from C++ based on the feels is... Immeasurably small. And the committee's just doing what a committee does for an old language that needs to remain stable as it continues to be the dominant language. They're not nearly as stuck up as Bussy with his "what's the use case for , fuck it, removing it"
If this is meant to JUST be a rant and not really be related to programming, perhaps nobody should be posting it to r/programming , but I'll leave that up for mods to decide. Regardless, it's not just the presence of emotion that bugs me about this article, it's how it's ALL about the emotion.
people were resigned from the committee for addressing that issue and disagreeing with it, people as influential as Chandler Carruth
there was an operator . proposal lol
bjarne is even more of a stubborn baby than I thought, he has a history of throwing tantrums
microsoft is working on a rust frontend for their compiler
misra members confuse java's volatile semantics with c++ volatile lol
Andrew Tomazos is an idiot who puts chatgpt logs in his paper as main content; and a liar
In fact most of C++ committee is in denial and lying about rust (but that I already knew)
C++ alliance is just as shitty as C++ committee
25% of C++ programmers don't automatically test their code
stories of various C++ papers
as it continues to be the dominant language
Sorry, but C++ was never dominant, it had a chance but it lost it once Java, C#, Python, Ruby and JS ate all of the server side programming while C++ was worried about Ada
the committee's just doing what a committee does for an old language that needs to remain stable as it continues to be the dominant language
The point of the article is that the committee is doing a shitty job, everything they can is jack shit.
The percent of the article that isn't trying to turn you away from C++ based on the feels is... Immeasurably small.
But you're supposed to be feelings immune, yet you are so antagonistic to the post based on your little feewings.
I don't know what country you live in where hormonal is a feminine term rather than a gender neutral one. If I see a man frustrated by puberty or roid rage, I consider that hormonal just as much as when a woman's hormone levels are up. It's the same to me.
Yes, it's used to refer to puberty and steroids. Neither is really applicable here, while the obvious applicable situation is that the article is by an adult woman. I can believe it's possible you didn't mean it that way, but digging in your heels and claiming you have gender blindness is making me less inclined to.
Now you're just perpetuating gendered double standards.
Hormonal means hormonal. I didn't even give enough of a rat's ass to look up the author because all I cared about was how pubescently out of their mind the author is, putting feels before reals and trying to discredit a programming language based on the behaviors of some very stupid people.
On second note, my honest about this piece (and using the same tone as the article, which is making frequent use of accusations and curses) would probably get me banned / it's not something I want to post publicly. It would be a poor example of the standard I like to believe I hold myself to.
However, I think it's a good example of why rhetoric was taught in ancient times as a specific, important, recognized subject.
If there are points that should be convincing in it, they are made in way that I find not convincing.
If it's a joke, I am happily admitting that I don't get it and someone can explain it to me, please? Thank you.
I did not read the content, but I noticed you can not easily select the text. Not sure why, but in general I found webpages that do some fancy stuff in regards to not easily allowing copy and paste to work, to not be worth one's time to read - even though the visuals are interesting, even though way too distracting to want to focus on content.
Unfortunately this post has so much cramped into it that it's hard to get any one point across. Maybe different posts with different focuses would be clearer
That said, I recently watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08gvuBC-MIE and goddamn this was unhiged. In summary, the talk is about all the shitty characteristics of C++ and why they are like that. The punchline being "because this is C++". As if that was a valid reason
That talk made me realise that those of us that care about security and C++, are indeed doing a quixotic endevour, and should better spend our efforts helping to improve other ecosystems, unless one identifies themselves with being a C++ developer to the bone.
Read about half of this, and I've got to the point where either I just don't understand the context of this debacle enough, or if this is a schizo post. I'm leaning towards the latter given the Reddit segment.
To be honest, this reads like some valid points mixed with overindulgence in pettiness, which probably comes from finally releasing what was emotionally stockpiled for years. But it does not help in bringing the points across.
I don't want to touch any of the rape accusations/whatever because I know absolutely dick all about any of it to have an opinion.
But I always find it rather hypocritical when someone has something like this:
By the way, I feel like I need to bring up that this constant
infantilization/bizarre emasculation(?) of languages and their users is an
extremely emotional response and kind of the schoolyard equivalent of
whispering the f-slur over the mic in counter strike so your mom doesn’t hear
you. I’d expect nothing less from committee members. I promise you, this
aside is relevant and will come up later.
embedded between huge rants about other people, basically doing the exact same thing.
Like the whole thing is a huge emotional argument, but it's not allowed to used elsewhere?
> I don't want to touch any of the rape accusations/whatever because I know absolutely dick all about any of it to have an opinion.
Same. But sounds like the jabroni mentioned here served their time and/or satisfied his obligations to the state for release back into society. So going on some crusade against the organizers of a public conference about that particular person's inclusion seems like a moralistic motive more than a legitimate "safety" concern. It's not like there's a lot of underage kids hanging around CPPCon. Besides, the organizers of CPPCon aren't expected to monitor the criminal background histories of other participants much less adjudicate which classes of prior crimes should / should not be allowed to participate.
> Like the whole thing is a huge emotional argument
The trigger warning on top should have been a dead giveaway of where this rant was heading.
On that note, I feel that the the lack of a proper epileptic seizure warning before exposing me to that color scheme was very unsafe and non-inclusive of the author. I do hope that the CPPCon organizers strongly consider the author's non-inclusivity when they attempt to register next year. If not, I am definitely going to write at least 18 pages about it on my blog!
This is not a feel good post, and to even call it a rant would be dismissive of the absolute unending fury I am currently living through as 8+ years of absolute fucking horseshit in the C++ space comes to fruition, and if I don’t write this all as one entire post, I’m going to physically fucking explode. 💥
She literally says this is an emotional argument, but what she's calling out there is that they don't accept they're also doing that. So it's not hypocritical at all, again, she starts saying that this is emotionally driven.
This is a loooong "article". I didn't read past the first couple of sentences because it smells like some LSD-fueled rant of some coke head who couldn't stop writing. Maybe it's not but I'll never know.
Wolfspaw@reddit
My Summary: The author, Izzy Muerte, is really sad and frustrated by Current C++ Path.
Izzy has strong disagreements with C++ modules and the "Safe Profiles" idea,
and prefers Sean Baxter Circle compiler approach:
+ A C++ compiler implemented from-the-ground with Lifetimes and Borrow Checker.
Izzy has a hard time seeing a good future for C++ because the Committee, and the People with power to make decisions, are stuck in the past and showed a terrible track record (in the blog author perspective).
Izzy also accuses some persons of rap* (showing proof), naz*sm, and toxic masculinity. Also mixes a lot of politics in the post, like saying that your Rust code might be used by the military to kill people.
Minimonium@reddit
To the benefit of Boost folks, they stripped the image away because it was indeed an SS symbol and they're very frustrated that the agency they paid lots of money to design it didn't see it.
Nicksaurus@reddit
The logo is still there on boost.io
Minimonium@reddit
Oh, then I was misinformed. Haven't seen it from mobile
IAmARobot@reddit
https://www.boost.io/static/img/boost-toon.png first thing I see when I open the page
Alexander_Selkirk@reddit
That does not look "safe" on multiple levels...
Minimonium@reddit
Yes, I was misled by the answer here https://github.com/boostorg/website-v2/issues/1465
ClownPFart@reddit
Why do people always suggest that talking about politics is wrong? Is that because they usually raise uncomfortable points that you'd rather pretend don't exist?
Psychoscattman@reddit
I'll pass, thank you.
MechanicalHorse@reddit
Why in the ever loving fuck would a post about C++ need to contain that?!
Nicksaurus@reddit
What do you mean? This is a post about dark souls
Alexander_Selkirk@reddit
I doubt that engaging with the standards conference turned their soul any brigther.
Also, while I don't know about C++ social internals, I have learned the hard way that things like bullshitting and gaslighting in corporate environments are not just errors of judgement of a specific person, but they are power constructs, and they are really harmful. For any nice person, it is just smart to invest their energy elsewhere. And on the other hand, when confronted with such stuff, there is a limit of how long being nice is appropiate. The author of the blog has very clearly reached that limit.
simon_o@reddit (OP)
Interesting how the article predicted these reactions:
regendo@reddit
I feel like that's a really unfair comparison. People click on an article that they expect is about language design, see a rather extreme trigger warning at the top of the article, and naturally back out without reading the article because wtf. That's intentional. That's what the warning is for.
I agree with the "nothing is purely technical" bit you've quoted, especially because the people shouting the loudest about keeping things "nonpolitical" are typically the worst and just trying to shut down real issues and hinder inclusivity while covering behind a veil of feigned neutrality. But that's completely unrelated to the above commenters going "yo why does this programming article contain mentions of rape, I'm not gonna read that!"
peripateticman2026@reddit
Take your SJW elsewhere.
lolimouto_enjoyer@reddit
An unsafe post for an unsafe language...
Mathuss@reddit
Even briefly skimming the article would make this very obvious. For example, the very second paragraph states that it talks about committee members, and in case you skipped the beginning to go straight to the end they say
And shocker, organizations sometimes contain bad people who do bad things.
FWIW, the mentions of rape and sexual assault referred to the attempts of the C++ committee and organizers of CppCon to protect Arthur O'Dwyer---later convicted for rape of a drugged victim and possession of child pornography.
green_tory@reddit
He was convicted in 2011. The CppCon happened after.
They were protecting him after his conviction, not before.
Mathuss@reddit
My mistake---edited.
Minimonium@reddit
The more important part is how people react to that!
Dragdu@reddit
Read to find out.
jhirn@reddit
Next level unsafe pointers.
Coperspective@reddit
Warning for Dark Reader users: This website does not work with dynamic mode. You have my warning ⚠️
simon_o@reddit (OP)
What I got from this:
OPUno@reddit
Also found very interesting how Microsoft used the dysfunctionality of the C++ commitee in order to command market dominance and now that they are surplus to requirements, they and the US government are ditching them for Rust.
RockstarArtisan@reddit
"There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses" - Bjorg Strogonof
vytah@reddit
Because he cannot lose.
tuxwonder@reddit
Great post, thank you for submitting
art-solopov@reddit
Sometimes it feels like a vocal chunk of software development industry, as a whole, is an old-boys club protecting each other when doing (or at least, saying) creepy stuff. Uncle Bob and Stallman come to mind.
RockstarArtisan@reddit
There was a long time where there was so little software expertise that all you needed a firm handshake and authoritative white man face to sell your books, and that's how Robert Cecil Martin got his career as a person who never wrote any software but talked a lot.
art-solopov@reddit
To be fair, I kinda like the clean architecture approach.
To be also fair, as far as I understand, it's basically evolution on two ideas (hexagonal architecture + layers).
RockstarArtisan@reddit
There are cases where hexagonal architecture can work, it's not Robert's invention.
What is Robert's contribution however is also calling it "The One Architecture" (in addition to Clean Architecture) and advising an absurd version of it, as in:
Literally everything that man touches turns to shit.
art-solopov@reddit
Huh, I thought Clean Architecture was about taking the hexagonal approach and adding layers to it (lower layers can call upper layers directly, upper layers can only have lower layers injected).
For web development, I think it's used in Go? At least that's how Go was taught to me.
I tried it with Rails, and it's doable, but I think most of the time you just don't need it. Rails is a very different beast which specifically is built around "ActiveRecord ~~fucking everywhere~~ as often as we can".
RockstarArtisan@reddit
Well, as any salesman will tell you, "clean architecture can be whatever you want it to be as long as you buy it from me".
Here's a talk from a student of Robert's about decoupling a webapp from rails: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg5RFeSfBM4&list=PLEgQacEucCFF4r3SdzLzqIm-EoyGTf_d7&t=299s
The specific linked timecode speaks about how Robert C Martin has been selling his advice for years while only implementing it once on an application he couldn't share (courious that, isn't it?).
The student calls out the approach as unworkable, but he is much less negative about it as I personally am.
__some__guy@reddit
What I got from this:
Dragdu@reddit
Those are pretty much correct yeah. You can argue on the edges about e.g. how much of 2) is bad faith versus just plain old self-centeredness, or how much is the leadership inept, vs looking out for their personal career at the expense of the language long term health.
But since Izzy picked format of meandering journey and evoking emotions, it might pay off to keep in mind that she would also like to take you on a journey to believe Ukraine is aggression by USA against Russia.
i_invented_the_ipod@reddit
Unfortunately, this matches my (infrequent) interactions with the C++ committees, as well. So I find it completely believable.
reallokiscarlet@reddit
Anything valid here is buried in hormonal rage. Author is clearly more invested in smearing C++ as a language based on some stuffy suit types' misbehavior and the sociopolitical discourse of redditors, than conveying information.
derangedtranssexual@reddit
Here’s the misogyny I was expecting
RockstarArtisan@reddit
Bjarne storming out of an ISO meeting after his feewings got hurt - masculine, stable, worth emulating. Izzy ranting on her own blog about a myriad of issues that C++ committee has - feminine, hormonal, embarassing.
reallokiscarlet@reddit
I was too busy judging the way the article was written to give a rat's ass about who the author is. Humans are hormonal in their developing years as puberty ramps up. Men and women alike. During these stages, they're still acting in an infantile manner but turned up to 11 by hormones.
If your last sentence is suggesting what I think it's suggesting, sounds like someone got to experience puberty again, explaining their immature, hormonal behavior.
RockstarArtisan@reddit
No emotions allowed on your watch, very mature indeed. I guess any excuse is good to justify the preconceived disagreement with perceived criticism of C++. Turns out, the author actually likes C++ apparently (they say something along the lines of "C++ is still the closest to my perfect language", they just don't like the committee. Feel better now, with your mature feelings?
reallokiscarlet@reddit
The percent of the article that isn't trying to turn you away from C++ based on the feels is... Immeasurably small. And the committee's just doing what a committee does for an old language that needs to remain stable as it continues to be the dominant language. They're not nearly as stuck up as Bussy with his "what's the use case for, fuck it, removing it"
If this is meant to JUST be a rant and not really be related to programming, perhaps nobody should be posting it to r/programming , but I'll leave that up for mods to decide. Regardless, it's not just the presence of emotion that bugs me about this article, it's how it's ALL about the emotion.
RockstarArtisan@reddit
I disagree, I've learned plenty of stuff from it:
Sorry, but C++ was never dominant, it had a chance but it lost it once Java, C#, Python, Ruby and JS ate all of the server side programming while C++ was worried about Ada
The point of the article is that the committee is doing a shitty job, everything they can is jack shit.
But you're supposed to be feelings immune, yet you are so antagonistic to the post based on your little feewings.
vinura_vema@reddit
I mean, not necessarily former. We only know that he got convicted, but not if he got help for his love for children.
reallokiscarlet@reddit
> Sorry, but C++ was never dominant
Troll identified
RockstarArtisan@reddit
Look who got their feewings hurt again, please tell me at what point was C++ the dominant programming language. Link me to the popularity graphs.
reallokiscarlet@reddit
You... Do know men have hormones too, right?
derangedtranssexual@reddit
Come on don’t give me that bullshit, men aren’t called “hormonal”
Chillbrosaurus_Rex@reddit
Insane "I didn't mean it that way!" going on here. Thanks for calling it out.
reallokiscarlet@reddit
I don't know what country you live in where hormonal is a feminine term rather than a gender neutral one. If I see a man frustrated by puberty or roid rage, I consider that hormonal just as much as when a woman's hormone levels are up. It's the same to me.
Chillbrosaurus_Rex@reddit
Yes, it's used to refer to puberty and steroids. Neither is really applicable here, while the obvious applicable situation is that the article is by an adult woman. I can believe it's possible you didn't mean it that way, but digging in your heels and claiming you have gender blindness is making me less inclined to.
reallokiscarlet@reddit
I was definitely blind to the author's gender til now, thanks to a certain person's misogyny in interpreting the word "hormonal".
But the irony is which hormone I thought was overdosed here.
reallokiscarlet@reddit
Now you're just perpetuating gendered double standards.
Hormonal means hormonal. I didn't even give enough of a rat's ass to look up the author because all I cared about was how pubescently out of their mind the author is, putting feels before reals and trying to discredit a programming language based on the behaviors of some very stupid people.
not_perfect_yet@reddit
On second note, my honest about this piece (and using the same tone as the article, which is making frequent use of accusations and curses) would probably get me banned / it's not something I want to post publicly. It would be a poor example of the standard I like to believe I hold myself to.
However, I think it's a good example of why rhetoric was taught in ancient times as a specific, important, recognized subject.
If there are points that should be convincing in it, they are made in way that I find not convincing.
If it's a joke, I am happily admitting that I don't get it and someone can explain it to me, please? Thank you.
REMOVE_KEBAB@reddit
For whatever reason those who get filtered by C++ end up changing their genders and switch to rust.
peripateticman2026@reddit
Hahahahaha!
derangedtranssexual@reddit
Common rust W
Pharisaeus@reddit
tl;dr: leftiest psychotic meltdown loosely sprinkled with highly opinionated takes on technology
shevy-java@reddit
I did not read the content, but I noticed you can not easily select the text. Not sure why, but in general I found webpages that do some fancy stuff in regards to not easily allowing copy and paste to work, to not be worth one's time to read - even though the visuals are interesting, even though way too distracting to want to focus on content.
Yamoyek@reddit
I think you can select/copy text, the website just doesn't highlight the selected portion.
_nobody_else_@reddit
What the fuck is this?
Looks like just a stream of consciousness.
teerre@reddit
Unfortunately this post has so much cramped into it that it's hard to get any one point across. Maybe different posts with different focuses would be clearer
That said, I recently watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08gvuBC-MIE and goddamn this was unhiged. In summary, the talk is about all the shitty characteristics of C++ and why they are like that. The punchline being "because this is C++". As if that was a valid reason
pjmlp@reddit
That talk made me realise that those of us that care about security and C++, are indeed doing a quixotic endevour, and should better spend our efforts helping to improve other ecosystems, unless one identifies themselves with being a C++ developer to the bone.
Dragdu@reddit
Jon Kalb had three options:
Now we all know which one he picked.
Appropriate_Cat5316@reddit
Idk what to make of this except
"Not me. I hope you get a butt rash for 3 days after reading this, because dealing with you was just as big of a pain in my ass."🤣
Haven't gotten further yet...
aghast_nj@reddit
Izzy is rarely coherent, but always entertaining. This is some good internet lore. Maybe not "now you have TWO problems" but still top-50.
Tratiq@reddit
I think this qualifies as a screed lol
tomz17@reddit
At which point does it cross into manifesto?
aghast_nj@reddit
I think a manifesto has to have some concrete goals or objectives.
Tratiq@reddit
My mistake. It’s at least a polemic.
DarkNeutron@reddit
Two pages down and I feel like I'm reading House of Leaves.
frud@reddit
I got about 5% into that book and felt like I was being conned.
grulepper@reddit
In what way? It enjoyed it, although I'm a psychological horror fan.
nnethercote@reddit
I got all the way through that book and it wasn't worth it.
favgotchunks@reddit
This is one of the canonical pieces of C++ lore. There’s no real way to summarize it. I don’t know how long this will take me to fully process.
favgotchunks@reddit
The author is right. There’s no real way to summarize the article. No idea how long all of that will take me to process
csrcordeiro@reddit
Now that's how you rant.
Sakkyoku-Sha@reddit
Read about half of this, and I've got to the point where either I just don't understand the context of this debacle enough, or if this is a schizo post. I'm leaning towards the latter given the Reddit segment.
dasdull@reddit
To be honest, this reads like some valid points mixed with overindulgence in pettiness, which probably comes from finally releasing what was emotionally stockpiled for years. But it does not help in bringing the points across.
fireflash38@reddit
I don't want to touch any of the rape accusations/whatever because I know absolutely dick all about any of it to have an opinion.
But I always find it rather hypocritical when someone has something like this:
embedded between huge rants about other people, basically doing the exact same thing.
Like the whole thing is a huge emotional argument, but it's not allowed to used elsewhere?
tomz17@reddit
> I don't want to touch any of the rape accusations/whatever because I know absolutely dick all about any of it to have an opinion.
Same. But sounds like the jabroni mentioned here served their time and/or satisfied his obligations to the state for release back into society. So going on some crusade against the organizers of a public conference about that particular person's inclusion seems like a moralistic motive more than a legitimate "safety" concern. It's not like there's a lot of underage kids hanging around CPPCon. Besides, the organizers of CPPCon aren't expected to monitor the criminal background histories of other participants much less adjudicate which classes of prior crimes should / should not be allowed to participate.
> Like the whole thing is a huge emotional argument
The trigger warning on top should have been a dead giveaway of where this rant was heading.
On that note, I feel that the the lack of a proper epileptic seizure warning before exposing me to that color scheme was very unsafe and non-inclusive of the author. I do hope that the CPPCon organizers strongly consider the author's non-inclusivity when they attempt to register next year. If not, I am definitely going to write at least 18 pages about it on my blog!
N911999@reddit
I think you missed the very start of the post:
She literally says this is an emotional argument, but what she's calling out there is that they don't accept they're also doing that. So it's not hypocritical at all, again, she starts saying that this is emotionally driven.
nice-view-from-here@reddit
This is a loooong "article". I didn't read past the first couple of sentences because it smells like some LSD-fueled rant of some coke head who couldn't stop writing. Maybe it's not but I'll never know.
SemaphoreBingo@reddit
Skill issue.