Turkish strikes in Syria cut water to one million people
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EternalMayhem01@reddit
Turkey blocked UN aid to Kurdish held areas in Syria. Turkey is targeting civilian infrastructure in the kuridish areas of Syria. Isn't Turkey criticizing Israel for these tactics? Where are those calling out the Genocide of the Kurds for these moves as they so Israel? Arab countries and the UN on mute.
Kazataniplayer@reddit
When it's Muslim on Muslim violence, the world is silent.
When it's Arab on Arab violence, the world is silent.
When it's Muslim on non-muslim violence, the world tends to back the Muslims because of the "religion of peace" lie.
When it's Muslims on Jewish violence, it's jew hatred disguised as antizionism.
Arab/Muslim money has creeped into many aspects of many countries, and it's gotten to the point where challenging those financial providers is equal to financial suicide. They've made their beds and they need to be reminded of that.
HamunaHamunaHamuna@reddit
Oh please. No other country or group of people get as many excuses for atrocities committed than Israel.
BlueFrozen@reddit
You misspelled palestine
roydez@reddit
Oh look! Calling out African on African violence to distract from Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa was a common tactic of these regimes to deflect from their atrocities.
worldm21@reddit
Oh, here we go. Except the world isn't silent because it's being reported right now, here, on reddit, via an article from the BBC.
fxmldr@reddit
What the fuck are you talking about? There's a massive body of work detailing Turkey's history of genocide denial. The key difference is probably that the Armenian genocide happened over a century ago. It's a bit late to stop it. It's not too late to stop the Israeli genocide in Gaza.
swelboy@reddit
I think it’s because people basically expect nations like Turkey (read Muslim) to do things like this, not “western” nations like Israel. Not being an Islamaphobe just to be clear, it’s just that’s how westerners view Muslim nations.
. Not to mention support for Israel is very popular in American politics, so anti-establishment figures pay more attention to it.
republican_banana@reddit
Has Turkey ever not hated the Kurds?
Sad the Kurds don’t have their own country, and even sadder that the US (under Trump) threw the Syrian Kurds under the bus.
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-syria-ap-top-news-international-news-politics-ac3115b4eb564288a03a5b8be868d2e5
HummusSwipper@reddit
Erdogan constantly criticizing Israel while taking advantage of the distraction to commit his own war crimes is classic hypocrisy. I can’t wait to see him removed from power. On another note: How long will it take the corrupt politicians of South Africa to file a suit against Turkey in the ICJ? I'm betting never.
Crafty_Gain5604@reddit
I’d be thrilled to see an ICJ suit against Turkey if it also meant that Israel is punished for its crimes. We should strive for equal justice, not equal impunity.
HummusSwipper@reddit
Definitely won't happen. People seem uninterested to care for more than one minority at a time and most are currently infatuated with the Palestinians.
CriticalReneeTheory@reddit
Can you explain to me how many of our tax dollars are currently going toward any of the other genocides? I think this "infatuation" is relative and wholly appropriate.
Not to mention your stupid little army keeps tiktoking itself doing war crimes.
Yes, we're more directly invested in the genocide that is being taken out of our paychecks. Big shocker, I know.
Chanan-Ben-Zev@reddit
Turkey is a NATO member with American military bases and nuclear weapons on its soil. But good job showing how self-important ignorance can be ;)
dood9123@reddit
Yes but those weapons are purchased from American companies. Money comes from Turkey to the US
With Israel the US gives them billions of usd to spend on American arms. Its the US government buying from itself to give to Israel
Israel is a net loss Turkey is a net gain
j0hnDaBauce@reddit
This severely understates the technology sharing and research programs that we benefit from in our close partnership with Israel. Its not that simple of a situation to analyze with such a reductionist framework.
dood9123@reddit
Turkey pays the us for the weapons it uses in its genocides
A huge portion of the weapons used in Israeli genocides are bought from the us with money given to Israel from the us
The difference is stark Technology sharing or not, galils and missile detection and countermeasure suites are not worth 30,000 children
Technology sharing from firms who are also paid for by the us, are not predicated on allowing genocide to occur
You can uphold international law whilst still benefiting from technology sharing.
You're creating a a reductionist framework by not following up on your lines of logic and simply hand waiving away as 'severely underestimating " instead of actively following up on the conversation
j0hnDaBauce@reddit
I wasn't only talking about military technology, but sure lecture me on my reductionism :)
dood9123@reddit
Sorry, does the fact that is is consumer technology mean it's worth more than the lives of innocent people?
j0hnDaBauce@reddit
I never made the claim as such. I simply said you were understating/ oversimplifying the relationship. I meant purely in a dollars in and out method via contracts.
Tw1tcHy@reddit
Israel also spends its own money on American weapons, in addition to what the US gives them, so this argument is moot.
dood9123@reddit
It certainly does But the domestic purchasing of weapons is far under what the us spends on cash injections
Israel is still a net negative for the dod on the budget, regardless if some of the purchases are with domestic funds the majority is not.
eran76@reddit
The US government is currently running a $1.83 Trillion dollar deficit. I don't know whose money the US is sending to Israel, but it ain't the taxpayers'.
$1,830,000,000,000... that's a whole lot of treasury bonds right there.
Longjumping-Jello459@reddit
Well that figure would be smaller if tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations didn't consistently happen over the last 45 or so yrs along with both sides shipping jobs over seas.
HummusSwipper@reddit
Hilarious to see an American speaking as the representative of the entire world. My comment refers to the broad pro Palestinian community, not just the Americans.
Fine, I'll bite. Did you forget the US also sends billions to Gaza and the West Bank/ Let's review the US funding to both sides real quick:
The US has donated billions to the Palestinians and the majority of it was used to either line their leaders' pockets(Both Hamas and the PA's leaders are all multi-millionares) or construct terror infrastructure and concrete tunnels (estimated to span 500km in total length). Hamas has used these tunnels to initiate a surprise war against Israel, smuggle hostages and conceal aid within it while barring civilians from taking shelter in them.
Meanwhile, US funding to Israel is mostly done in the form of coupons, meaning Israel can only use the funding to buy US made equipment (thus creating jobs for Americans and improving your own economy) as well as binding contracts that prevent Israel from buying equipment from other sellers.
"Funding genocide" is an ignorant take pushed by the ignorant crowd that has nothing better to do than hate on someone they've never met in a country they've never visited. The war against ISIS had 55k civilian casualties, was that a genocide too?
Hoeax@reddit
Ahahaha the classic Palestinian = Khammaz nasty lies. Love to see the "Israel states" and "Person accuses" articles, they must have learned from JPost.
HummusSwipper@reddit
Certified unhinged comment right there. No one said all Palestinians are Hamas and the rest of your comment is incoherent. I guess you're one of those who think "Everyone who doesn't agree with me is wrong and stupid".
Affectionate_Plum126@reddit
Who’s the “we” there? Beyond American aid, the EU also paid Turkey billions to stem illegal migration.
Crafty_Gain5604@reddit
It’s the most impactful cause. If you can get a decision against U.S.-Israel, then that seriously strengthens the legitimacy of international law in a way that a decision against RSF in Sudan or Turkey in Syria wouldn’t.
CharmCityKid09@reddit
The fact that this even happened won't register with even half the noted accounts that lurk here ready to take every negative opinion piece about Israel at face value. Once they can't find a way to argue against your point, expect the flood of downvotes when all their accounts miraculously go active at the same time.
HummusSwipper@reddit
Let the influx of downvotes begin
OnlyRadioheadLyrics@reddit
Happy to oblige!
HummusSwipper@reddit
I'm gonna use this opportunity to inform you r/Global_News_Hub is a new subreddit polluted with anti-Israel bots who downvote any opposition, promote strictly anti-Israel narrative and its mods ban anyone trying to argue for Israel. It's a terrible echochamber and I wouldn't advise participating in it. Same goes for similar subs like r/GlobalNews and r/internationalnews.
cheers
OnlyRadioheadLyrics@reddit
Sure
karateguzman@reddit
Not supporting Israel here but they’re right, those subs all popped up around the same time and have the same user base
TurkicWarrior@reddit
That’s because some subreddits like worldnews became a Zionist echo chamber. A fair criticism of Israel treatment against Palestinians will get you banned
Aromatic_Sense_9525@reddit
You’re literally posting this comment in an alternative news-sub dedicated to not being an echo chamber.
There’s no need for pro-HAMAS subs that can only criticize the IDF, all in an effort to spread willful ignorance.
Just call out stuff in an unbiased manner, and support subs that avoid being echo chambers.
OnlyRadioheadLyrics@reddit
Okay
karateguzman@reddit
Just keeping it a buck, no bias here
It’s not like the stuff they post is false, but to me news that only focuses on one thing, from one angle, whilst stifling everything else isn’t really news anymore
boobiesbro@reddit
i'd argue it's because all the larger and more established subreddits have taken on an extremely bias view to the other extreme, so of course other places to talk about it would come up eventually.
HummusSwipper@reddit
Disclaimer: I'm bored and sick and I know you don't care but here are some fun statistics. Sorry for the stalking in advance.
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Also I see you're frequently visiting Mehdi Hasan subreddit and it quotes Ilan Pappe, a fake historian imo, so let me just say the following: Ilan Pappé's distortion of historical facts is extensive. This includes cases of mistranslation, omission, obfuscation of sources and sometimes even outright fabrication of evidence. You can read some examples here, here, here and here.
Anyway I'll leave ya alone now, cheers.
OnlyRadioheadLyrics@reddit
Jesus fucking Christ dude fuck off
Tw1tcHy@reddit
Lmao what a baby, you’re the one who initiated talking to him.
HummusSwipper@reddit
Rude. Here I'll do it for you and block you off
Salty_Jocks@reddit
Amen, and strongly second that
Zrva_V3@reddit
Not comparable. Turkey has killed less civilians in 40 years than Israel did in 1 month (I'm not even kidding). Turkey fights far cleaner. Let's stop equating the two.
HummusSwipper@reddit
Turkey has committed three actual genocides my dude. "Turkey fights cleaner" yeah nah bro, I tend to disagree.
Four thousand villages have been destroyed since the 1990s, 35,000 Kurds and 5,000 Turks have died, 119,000 Kurds are incarcerated and more than 17,000 Kurds have disappeared.
According to the Humanitarian Law Project, 2,400 Kurdish villages were destroyed and 18,000 Kurds were executed.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/04/27/turkish-border-guards-torture-kill-syrians
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/03/full-costs-turkeys-bombing-campaign-northeast-syria
Obviously I can go on, I mean it seems the Kurdish insurgency has had over 70k casualties thanks to the conflict with Turkey, right? All of these numbers and articles are from the last 40 years, by the way.
Will you say those 70k are mostly combatants while you clearly think most casualties in Gaza are civilians? I love your double standards, really.
Zrva_V3@reddit
All of these are in fact, bullshit. The number of actual confirmed civilians that died in the entire Turkish-PKK conflict less than 7000 let alone 70k (not even combatant deaths are anywhere around this number), and these are civilians that were killed by both sides combined.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers%27_Party_insurgency
If you want data about the recent conflict (after 2015) crisis group has a pretty good page.
https://www.crisisgroup.org/content/turkiyes-pkk-conflict-visual-explainer
So yeah, even if you attribute every single civilian death in this conflict, even those that were killed by the PKK, the number is still lower than civilians killed by Israel in Gaza after one month of bombardment.
What double standards? Civilian casualties in its operations have exceptionally low civilian casualty rates compared to similar conflicts. So yes, most people killed in Turkey-PKK conflict are combatants and most people killed in Gaza conflict are civilians. There are no double standards here, only differing militaries and rules of engagement. Even IDF claims that 2 out of 3 people they kill in Gaza are civilians, and they see this as a good and tolerable percentage. For comparison, let's look at Hendek operations that happened in a similar urban environment:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9E%C4%B1rnak_clashes_(2015%E2%80%932016)
117 Turkish casualties 1464 Total deaths on PKK's side. Per human rights groups 94 of which were civilians. That is less than 7% civilian casualty rates compared to Israel's +60% which was admitted by themselves.
Nethlem@reddit (OP)
You are probably aware, but Syria and Israel are still officially at war to this day.
It's why Israel also bears some responsibility for the current state of Syria, down to supporting the very same questionable militants Turkey uses as proxy and the US DoS describes at "fighting on our side" in Syria.
"Our" side in Syria, the Western side in Syria, is the side of Turkey, the US and Israel.
eran76@reddit
Yeah, Syria chose to attack Israel in 1967 from the high ground of the Golan Heights... and lost, then did it again in 1973 having learned nothing... and lost again. Syria's current position has nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with Assad choosing to cling to minority Shiite/Alawite rule in Syria despite the clear desire of the majority of Syrians for political change starting with the Arab spring.
If any external power is to blame for Syria's current state it's Russia and Iran, both of whom support Assad for their own geopolitical reasons, breathing life into a horrific dictatorial regime which is only exceeded in its brutality by their own.
HummusSwipper@reddit
I've seen suggestions to rally the Druze community in Syria to side with Israel as well. It makes sense for Israel to support the groups that fight against the Iranian influenced Assad regime.
An8thOfFeanor@reddit
South Africa, one of the only nations in the world that can't immediately condemn other countries because it has to wait for its power to come back on.
HummusSwipper@reddit
More like wait for funding from Iran and Qatar For Immediate Release: The South African ANC Government’s Dangerous Alliances with Iran, Qatar, and Hamas » ISGAP
Exchange Between Qatar, South Africa President Confirms Leaks | MEMRI
waiver@reddit
So your sources are a "think-tank" that received 80% of their funding from Israel and which has an IDF general on their board and a Propaganda organization? MEMRI has a LOW CREDIBILITY score
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/middle-east-media-research-institute-memri/
Now, maybe it's just me but I don't think those are the best sources.
HummusSwipper@reddit
Where did you get the 80% funding number from? A propaganda organization?
Organizations being biased is always a thing but unlike the majority of them, this one is at least upfront about it. Their research is backed with sources and shooting it down because they support the side you dislike is concerning.
Your link about MEMRI says "MIXED" credibility, not LOW. It's literally marked with color, how did you get this wrong?
waiver@reddit
lol, from the Forward, which is a Jewish news website if I recall correctly:
https://forward.com/israel/453339/israel-antisemitism-isgap-think-tank-foreign-funding/
And no, they didn't disclose that they had received a large part of their funding from Israel anywhere in their website.
Ohh look, they also have a former Knesset member in the board.
HummusSwipper@reddit
You're attacking and discrediting the thinktank because it publicly admits to be funded by Israel, it even states so on their website. You're also making a logical leap by saying if Israel funded 80% of the organization in 2018, then they must be doing that EVERY year. I find these mental gymnastics concerning.
This is not a hill I'm going to die on, if you don't like the sources don't trust them. You're a big boy.
Naurgul@reddit
Erdogan is absolutely awful, he literally wanted to start a large-scale war to ethnically cleanse Turkey of Syrian refugees. His plans make the average far-right-winger in Europe blush.
With that said, shouldn't you, as a committed pro-Israel supporter, be saying "What about Sudan? Why are we accusing poor Erdogan and poor Turkey when there's even worse atrocities being committed elsewhere"?
HummusSwipper@reddit
Oh I frequently mention Sudan as well as Mynmar, Yemen, China and so on. I'm glad you brought it up actually because Reuters has a great article on the matter
How Arab fighters carried out a rolling ethnic massacre in Sudan
fxmldr@reddit
I guess people have gotten pretty good at seeing through transparent whataboutism.
Naurgul@reddit
Where did you use whataboutism to make Erdogan seem not that bad, the same way you do it to whitewash Israel?
Seems like you only care about atrocities when it comes to whitewashing Israel and blaming Arabs.
tappitytapa@reddit
I love how we're in a thread about Syria, and the argument is about Israel... /s
The Syrians cant even get attention to last 2 comments. Seems like you only care about atrocities when you can scream about Israel.
Naurgul@reddit
You're right, I'm sorry I derailed the topic. I just got a bit angry when I saw a typical pro-Israel supporter who justifies similar atrocities on the daily pretend to care while dogwhistling about how the problem is muslims/arabs.
tappitytapa@reddit
I appreciate the response. Maybe this can also show you that people view the issues differently and be a signal that the reason our conversations go round in circles is cause we are not listening rather than one person being bloodthirsty and hateful.
People can actually care about what is happening in Syria and condemn it, while viewing different situations in a different light.
Think about the sheer amount of info coming out, each with contradictory info leading ppl to try and choose which sources they believe - and respond so emotionally.
Lets hope that we can all come together and find a way to make a better tomorrow - for everyone. And considering this thread... hope that the atrocities against the Syrians are stopped.
StukaTR@reddit
He did what now? If Turkey wanted to remove Syrian refugees from Turkey, it could just ship them off to Syria, you know.
Guy that made his country the largest refugee camp on the planet is a right winger.
Keesual@reddit
Accepting refugees does not magically make hom not a rightwinger when every of his other policies and core values align with turkish religious conservative authoritarianism
(besides the fact he uses the refugees as political capital in europe, and not out of good will)
Naurgul@reddit
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/27/turkeys-plan-to-forcibly-relocate-syrian-refugees-gains-momentum
StukaTR@reddit
Yes, as i said he could just ship them off.
And no, sending refugees away back to their homeland is not "ethnic cleansing."
stoiclandcreature69@reddit
He’ll just be replaced by someone the Turkish deep state supports
AniTaneen@reddit
If Erdogan was pushing for Ukraine’s NATO membership, then maybe we’ll see SA bring charges against Turkey.
Stubbs94@reddit
Both Israel and Turkey should be brought up on charges of war crimes.
chatte__lunatique@reddit
Man I'm tired of Turkey fucking over Rojava. One of the few modern examples of leftist (or leftist-adjacent, depending on your viewpoint) theory in action and of course the goddamn Turks can't abide it because of their hate of the Kurdish people
ChaosKeeshond@reddit
Having a massively powered up PKK right over the border is a massive security threat. Kurdish separatists in foreign countries want to annex Kurdish-majority parts of Turkey which want to remain in Turkey.
Thank you for confirming what I've always suspected though. White champagne socialism don't give a shit about Kurds, it just wants to see another commie experiment. The most telling part of this is how nobody ever seems to ask us what we think or what we want. We're always complete passengers in this conversation.
themightycatp00@reddit
This post has been up for an hour and barely has any comments.
where are those totally real humans whose hurt won't stop bleeding over every little thing that happens in the region? What happened? Is it shift change time at the farm?
Longjumping-Jello459@reddit
This is the 2nd post on this using the same article the 1st one was derailed quite quickly by the arguement you are making which to me seemingly serves only to distract from the needed conversation about what to do with Turkey's actions.
HummusSwipper@reddit
Can't blame Israel for it so why bother promoting the thread
eran76@reddit
iT's A gEnoCiDe!!!
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Icy-Cry340@reddit
Well, those seem like legitimate targets in any war.
ReadinII@reddit
No surprise they are going after the Kurdish allies that Trump deserted.
This turn of events certainly doesn’t make America look good. Will probably cause deaths of Americans in the future by making it difficult to find allies.
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
This is absolutely terrible and wrong. This is as bad as denying water and aid to Palestinians by the Israeli government… and I hope this does not escalate into bombing innocent children like the Israelis do every day.
Netanyahu and Erdogan are the same people, just speaking different languages and praying with different books to the same god, their tactics are also the same.
I do hope we are free of him, he’s done nothing help deteriorate everything in the country over the last 22 years.
CluelessExxpat@reddit
Not the last time we are going to hear about this region. I highly doubt Turkey will let PKK establish a country in these lands.
They also control both major rivers so if they can not solve the issue with military means, they will do so by other means.
Iraq and Syria's future looks horrible when we consider global warming and water issues.
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