Source: Google is turning Chrome OS into Android to compete with the iPad
Posted by Existing-Code-1318@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 81 comments
Posted by Existing-Code-1318@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 81 comments
alien2003@reddit
Downgrading desktop OS to mobile?
johncate73@reddit
Basically, yes. And it will work about as well as Windows 8 and Ubuntu Unity did.
alien2003@reddit
Windows and Ubuntu have full-featured apps
johncate73@reddit
You missed the point. Windows 8 in its original form and Unity were attempts to "converge" the desktop and mobile experiences and they both were terrible. I was talking about the UI, not applications.
alien2003@reddit
IDK about 8, never used it. Unity was OK, I used it on my tablet
johncate73@reddit
On a tablet, it was fine. On a desktop, it was hot garbage and was the last time I ever tried running Ubuntu.
ilovepolthavemybabie@reddit
There’s profiteering to be done when every K-12 school district now needs an MDM license for every device.
BoltLayman@reddit
Starting since Android3 tablets probably many users and tech-fans were contemplating to have Android for PCs as soon as 2014, instead they (we) received a hell of TV-boxes designed specifically for one exact version of Android without much possibilities to upgrade Android (N+1).
ExaHamza@reddit
The Year of The Linux Desktop is certainly coming.
xte2@reddit
Allow me to be rude and clear: ChromeOS was the nth FAILED tentative of pushing 2030's Agenda "you'll own nothing" in IT, meaning "tie yourself to us giants and be happy for our will". In hw terms the nth FAILED tentative of deny users a real computer pushing instead modern version of dumb terminals (Netbooks was another failed one). Android is another one that will fail.
What does work is a DESKTOP, because the desktop is made both for consume and produce, all tentative of imposing no-substantial-spread-ownership fails because push the consumption-only mode.
Aside we know we can't give a craptop to any human on earth due to it's limited service life and natural resources constraints. We also know we can give a desktop, because for generic use a GOOD desktop could last 10+ years so actually use less natural resources not more than mobile crap. Aside we know we could not enlarge datacenters much more.
Long story short it's one of the many sign too many fail to see about commercial IT death, that will happen sooner or later in 8-10 years maximum, at least the current commercial model. I'm very serious: the possible sustainable digital development we have is FLOSS and with spread ownership, essentially a homeserver per home, ranging from a simple raspi-like device for those who do not know to a full rack for someone who know, coupled with a bit of energy storage and p.v. for those who know and work and FTTH for anyone. This model could REPLACE datacenter/cloud model to a new-old distributed internet of desktops where IT would be back in-house for most companies.
It will sound very strange for many, but try to imaging yourself in a home, rooftop/garden p.v. and storage to have very reliable electricity supply not only the grid, FTTH, 4G and maybe StarLink backup to have very reliable connectivity, a home rack cooled cheaply thanks to p.v., for most workers of a generic company. You get likely geographical proximity, no need for a CDN, hw with FDE-disks could be sent via generic parcel service, in a society where companies could only compete in tech and customisation not much in marketing being many and SMEs. Strange, sure, but perfectly realistic in technical terms.
LowOwl4312@reddit
I like your utopian vision! But I'm more pessimistic.
xte2@reddit
Well, I'm pessimistic as well, but that's a possible future SOME will made, and in a way or another technically correct solutions sooner or later happen, even if often very far from the vision of the pioneer who have designed them first.
autogyrophilia@reddit
Fuck me man, you can't be serious ticking every check box of insane right wing about something niche.
Chrome OS works with webpages because google does webpages and a browser as their primary products.
xte2@reddit
Well... Actually I'm not right wing, and... Those who state to be left wing (parties) tend to appear to my eyes very right wings...
Anyway, read this fresh news https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/19/microsoft-built-a-pc-that-cant-run-local-apps/ and try to remember what Google (back than, before Alphabet) ask those who want to participate to the ChromeBooks launch "developers only": the promise to live on ChromeOS and Google services with the said device. Then try to see all the tentative to integrate Android on desktops, the continuous design push toward childish UIs and so on.
Really, try.
sunkenrocks@reddit
It likely allows running apps off the companies windows server then I'm guessing as well as the Microsoft suite.
xte2@reddit
Maybe or maybe not, in any case THEY LIKELY ALLOW means it's up to Microsft because they are the owner in control, not "the customer". This means it's not up to you the choice.
You can state it's the same for a fridge: you could buy it or not, the design it's not under your control, and that's true but partially, first because you could anyway own the fridge, there are normally no software updates under vendor controls for most fridges so far, no connection so no vulnerabilities etc. More importantly so far anyone knows a bit fridges and there are countless vendors not just few giants, you can even buy components and assemble them in a custom fridge. That's definitively not the case for modern software, even some open source one (let's say good luck to maintain your chromium fork)...
sunkenrocks@reddit
This is a device for enterprise though not the home... The lack of expandability is literally a selling point and a feature. Thin clients have already existed for decades and decades. Do you really think it's a good point if the evidence is completely misinterpreted?
I don't use locked down systems, I've been using Linux for over 20y. But in this instance it's literally a product companies want and ask for.
Brilliant_Curve6277@reddit
your on reddit, sir. People deny here that dark forces exist in companies and around the world that do want a globalist-no private property agenda.
xte2@reddit
Unfortunately... The main issue is that "the masses" drags essentially anyone else. Me included. A stupid example: the current trend in some countries to gives tax forms etc with a Qr code to pay tied to a mobile app, so far all I've seen could be read witch zbar and they just code a URL so it's possible if you know how (and most do not) po pay without a mobile, tomorrow?
Banks mandating apps to login, with the side effect that banks piracy that was essentially ZERO with RSA tokens, smart-cards etc now are very common?
The list of simple example is long, only needed to be seen.
autogyrophilia@reddit
Again, Microsoft business (the branch that is growing) is VMs and cloud services
xte2@reddit
Never said it's a conspiracy, it's just a choice of some interested party against the interest of the many. It's not hidden, not done in dark room, it's public fully known their targets even refuse to see the trend.
VoidDuck@reddit
I disagree: although low-end, most netbooks were proper PCs running Windows or GNU/Linux. You weren't tied to a closed ecosystem of cloud-based services.
xte2@reddit
They was, and they fails because too underspecced and ultimately useless to produce anything due to the too little screen and keyboard. The commercial idea was build fast tech, so systems with very limited shelf life and regular replacement to ensure revenues for the OEM while pushing people to use "the cloud" because of course there is not enough storage nor bogomips to do anything.
Another example are "in-browser apps" for anything, meaning not a locally served UI but a third party service. These are attempt to push people to zero ownership transferring what they need to do "on someone else computer".
LLM push is on the same line, see: https://youtu.be/5yy6XvuO2aM substantially saying "if we made LLM the sole UI users know we could drive users life an answered prompt at a time", not much different than the old Brin & Page talks about the Google Glasses and the "demasculinizing smartphones" pushing something ahead of time but in the same LLM line: voice-UIs.
Any of these attempt have a similar outcome: people "posses" but not own remote controlled devices/devices dependent on third party services and can only use them at the price and condition the substantial owner impose and change as it want. Cars? Modern connected ones, some even without "local keys" you can only unlock and start with your mobile, the same. Smart door bell? Idem.
Aside you see people keeping pushing the Franklin dream of taxes on curtains and a cannon in every street to wake up people in the morning, like the last statement from Indian Infosys founder "against the weedends, people must work 70 hours/week" https://x.com/HSajwanization/status/1857914277576732677 also https://x.com/MehulFanawala/status/1857096635647394145 etc. This is the trend toward smart-cities (even if ALL of them experimented from the old Fordlandia to current Neom, Innopolis, Arkadag etc are FAILURE) where the inmates
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inhabitants own nothing living "IoT surrounded" in a well developed "great narrative" a fictional world where they live to work consuming stuff to live but the much they could earn the more they spend to sustain psyco-physically their unbearable life.On the other side it's the old FLOSS model, where there is the Bazaar, not the Cathedral and anyone cooperate owning their own.
You might state that's beyond the unique device/service I've cited, and yes it is, but is the trend the Σ of them offer as outcome to the society. Just for you: let's say you've had a netbook, and you have a smartphone: where are your photos stored? On your iron or on Google Photos/iCloud? Your contacts are managed my Google/Apple or with a personal Baïkal/Radicale/Sabre/Davis+DavX⁵? Do you own your financial transactions thanks to OpenBank and alike (signed XML/JSON/PDF from your banks etc) or you just see them on third party website and you can't prove anything if something happen? Your money are locally stored cash/taler (GNU) you can exchange P2P or you are bound to Visa/Mastercard/Amex/*? Could you control your car's OTA or the vendor from remote have a much more powerful access than yours? That's meaning having no ownership.
Now try to imaging what those who want these agenda need to achieve their goals? How they can convince you to give up ownership or force you without retaliation? Something you can't own.
Brilliant_Curve6277@reddit
kinda true actually. Based.
Whig4life@reddit
The opposite would be better.
omniuni@reddit
I have literally been thinking they should do this practically since ChromeOS was released. They're both essentially custom OSs built on top of Linux, Android just has a lot more features.
Also, if a desktop were a more primary target, more apps might finally try to support larger windows.
Top-Classroom-6994@reddit
Why is more apps supporting windows a good thing may I ask?
CommercialPug@reddit
They mean windows as in windows, not the operating system. Windows allow for multitasking such as taking notes from a website/ slideshow etc. very useful for productivity.
Ok_Leadership_4613@reddit
Windows is not the only operating system that allows for multitasking.
smirkjuice@reddit
dawg
SealProgrammer@reddit
Have you considered glasses? They might help you to read better.
vmaskmovps@reddit
Arch user moment
CommercialPug@reddit
No. The concept of a window in computing. As in a rectangle containing a program which can be moved around and resized. I specifically said I wasn't talking about the Microsoft Windows operating system.
KalilPedro@reddit
Ofc it is
NatoBoram@reddit
Because multitasking is great
DazedWithCoffee@reddit
Windows the UI style, as in true multitasking with multiple configurable viewing panes
finbarrgalloway@reddit
Not a terrible idea. Android tablets have always been garbage and zero progress ever seems to get made.
Tablets have kinda already taken over the ” check my email/read the news “ space that Chromebooks used to be good for.
milanove@reddit
I was surprised to find how good they’ve gotten since the snapdragon 8 chip came out. Samsung’s flagship tablets and Lenovos Y700 are killing it. The UI no longer feels like they just upscale the phone UI and hoped for the best. The desktop mode built into most of these tablets is also really cool. The iPad is really nice too though. I think the Android tablet really shines for emulation, and side loading apps.
finbarrgalloway@reddit
Performance has never been the main issue with Android tablets (although you are right, it was pretty bad for a while), it’s always been the app integration. For better or worse Apple is generally able to force devs to actually develop tablet apps rather than allow them to just blow up their phone apps.
If google can make an actually good starting point for a tablet OS it should hopefully give devs the kick in the butt they need.
pfmiller0@reddit
Google can't even force themselves to develop tablet apps rather than just blow up their phone apps.
notonyanellymate@reddit
Yes some of their apps are numpty. Google have a guide for Android developers to check their apps against for the advantages that are in the ChromeOS' Android, which are currently being merged into the regular Android: https://chromeos.dev/en/android
pfmiller0@reddit
I just have a hard time trusting Google to take this seriously since I remember when they focused on making a great tablet experience with Android Honeycomb, and then a year of two later they undid it all for years, until this new effort.
notonyanellymate@reddit
There are risks, win some lose some! I jumped on board with Chromebooks at the start for both work in business critical environments and home, they just get better and better, absolutely amazing things, I hope they don't suffer with these changes, but what they've merged so far has been an improvement.
I disliked Android tablets, not because of Android but because of the numerous under-powered ones, Chromebooks have the same issue, but the new "Plus" models means that you know you'll get something powerful.
Ezmiller_2@reddit
Oh, I don’t know. My tablet that I try to use only has 1gb RAM. I’m going to get a better one good year.
irasponsibly@reddit
I wouldn't even mind a blown up phone app so much if so many of them didn't force Portrait mode
spysgyqsqmn@reddit
App integration and manufacturers actually standing by their products for the long term life of the product. How many android tablets are still plenty powerful and haven't had their batteries die out but their manufacturer stops giving them updates and their deprecated versions of android become less compatible with apps and become security concerns? I know Samsung seems to be finally getting around to service their phones and tablets for a greater amount of time, but having the Android ecosystem become associated with manufactuers who don't give a crap about products once they are in consumer's hands is part of the why the growth trajectory of Apple in the U.S is what it is.
MegamanEXE2013@reddit
Instagram on iPad disagrees
parttimekatze@reddit
iPads already had excellent hardware (and desktop-grade apps) before the whole Arm Mac devices. The file management is crap, and now both iPads and Macs have the same chips, Apple is deliberately handicapping iPads for the sake of segmentation.
Android tablets have had decent hardware for like, 5 years too now. Even though Android has better file management, and is in general more open/usable - the app catalogue for tablets is dogshit (in comparison to iOS/iPadOS). And even android mobile variants on tablets are mostly half arsed. All that compute power is good for nothing, if there are no killer apps to take advantage of them.
kdlt@reddit
It's why I went to surface forever ago.
Costs same as an iPad or any decent tab, can do the same stuff, but is also a real x86 computer when you need it to and can just run programs, not extra apps that need to be extra created for it and might still then only do 10% of their x86 counterparts.
The moment the tablet prices exploded to 4 digits my decision was vindicated.
CortaCircuit@reddit
Samsung maked pretty good Android tablets. Even Lenovo is pretty good now. I don't know what you're talking about.
Untagged3219@reddit
I'm curious what's going to happen down the line since the DOJ declared Google a monopoly.
kuroimakina@reddit
I mean, the incoming administration won’t give a fuck about that, so, probably nothing.
natermer@reddit
Nobody really gave a fuck in the first place on either side of the isle. I've worked for companies that had to deal with these sorts of lawsuits and the idea that the government is actually concerned about monopolies or anti-competitive practices is a joke.
I've seen it play out first hand and I can look at historical examples.
Basically somebody is looking for a pay-day or special concessions. It is about politics pure and simple.
What will probably happen is that Google will give the government special discounts for Google Cloud hosting and they'll invest a shitload more in lobbying. The money will end up going into the political party through politicians using the lobbying money to pay their fees for sitting in committee seats. The more money they get, the more they can pay, the better access to more important policy committees, etc etc.
That is how things work on the Federal level.
Then, mysteriously, in a couple years after news papers stop reporting on it and people stopped caring it will get dropped or have the punishment dramatically reduced in some appeals court somewhere and it'll be the end of it.
If you want a historic example of this you can look at Microsoft's own anti-trust cases. 1997, the year they filed the first lawsuit against Microsoft the total lobbying spend from Microsoft was $100,000. 1998 they were sued by Justice Department and 20 separate states directly.
By 1999 they (Microsoft + subsidiaries) had ramped up to 4.8 million in spending on lobbyists.
The final result? No more breaking up Microsoft. No more forcing their applications not to rely o special APIs. No more any of that. They were required to provide documentation on their APIs for 5 years and paid some small fine.
This stuff isn't about justice or protecting the free market or punishing Google for being dominate. It is just a shake down.
ElTacoSalamanca@reddit
The investigation started under Trump
intelminer@reddit
Microsoft showed us how a Republican DOJ operates
nils2614@reddit
It might be helpful in that regard. Android system components like WebView depend on Chrome by default but Android without Chrome is at least feasable. ChromeOS without it isn't. So if Google has so sell off Chrome at least Android could survive on it's own and ChromeOS turned into Android might too
AndrewNeo@reddit
they wanted to boot Chrome out but said nothing about Android so this might be intentional to keep it in house
TeutonJon78@reddit
It wouldn't surprise me if this was being done to address that.
ChromeOS is pretty dominant in its area, but make it an tablet OS against the iPad, and it's market share drops like a brick.
northrupthebandgeek@reddit
What ever happened with Fuchsia? Seems like it's long overdue at this point to supersede Android and Chrome OS in one swell foop.
Working_Sundae@reddit
Fuchsia development is still taking place, but the development pace has slowed after downsizing, it's still being developed nonetheless, but it's still early
https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/fuchsia/+log
June 2024
https://fuchsia.dev/whats-new/release-notes/f20
ZuriPL@reddit
So... they're just killing Chrome OS?
CortaCircuit@reddit
I just want an operating system where I don't have to use Google services by default.
Tasty-Awareness-5281@reddit
Good!
Thangleby_Slapdiback@reddit
I've been toying with getting a tablet before the new administration takes office and starts putting tariffs on everything. I like the iPads, but don't want to be tied to the Appleverse for obvious reasons.
ChromeOS doesn't sound good to me as that just ties me to another ecosystem.
I love my android phones - especially app availability. I really haven't seen a competitor the iPad out there. Of course, I've just started looking.
Anyone have any suggestions for a good Android based tablet comparable in dimensions to the iPad?
vmaskmovps@reddit
Have you looked at any Samsung or Lenovo tablets?
Swizzel-Stixx@reddit
Don’t they have android for that already? I don’t understand this?
The-Malix@reddit
Basically they wanna make Android desktop-able
Swizzel-Stixx@reddit
Kinda like what samsung have done with dex?
T8ert0t@reddit
Dex isn't bad in a pinch.
The-Malix@reddit
Yes, but with more desktop things such as Crostini support
Suvtropics@reddit
What's that
The-Malix@reddit
ChromeOS built-in Linux VM
Prudent_Move_3420@reddit
So that is probably one of the reasons why Google wants a fully accelerated Linux vm in Android 16, to make it support additional desktop apps when it’s ready
The_real_bandito@reddit
I wonder if all they’re doing is adding the Desktop Chrome browser and calling it a day.
Samsung Dex works very good so they already had something to emulate, but the Chrome browser for desktop is just better in every way to the mobile version.
DownvoteEvangelist@reddit
Are tablets even in now? I feel like they have peaked in popularity long time ago...
underdoeg@reddit
does that mean fuchsia is now officially dead?
tamburasi@reddit
This would be great vut Google is not clever enough.
noonetoldmeismelled@reddit
Chromebooks were lesser options compared to android since at least Android 3 in my opinion. We'll see how that Linux terminal application works out. Don't know what would be better for Android, the Linux VM in Android that's being talked up or something like Distrobox
biquetra@reddit
They need to bring back the Andromeda name.
Ok_Antelope_1953@reddit
google probably had a management shuffle then
Pierma@reddit
that could be a terrible or good idea depending on what will be the hell to deal with existing hardware with chromeos running