The Porsche 911 Carrera T Proves Horsepower Is Overrated: First Drive Review
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Posted by Key_Construction5336@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 165 comments
UnloadTheBacon@reddit
Horsepower doesn't matter in a car that weighs less than Jeremy Clarkson does soaking wet.
What matters is acceleration and handling. Horsepower is just a means to an end.
-serious-@reddit
Seems like a good review. I've got a Cayman GTS 4.0 with a manual and I put a deposit down on a T the week it was announced. Seems like I'm going to have some tough decisions to make.
Kyaaaaaaaa@reddit
You'll probably like it better. I feel a cgts at pecla and ended up with a 992 c2s. Better daily to me.
-serious-@reddit
I'm leaning towards keeping both and trying to spec the T in such a way that it feels different enough from the GTS 4.0 that I could justify it. My Cayman has lots of extra leather options and Burmester, and I'm thinking that I can keep that as a nice luxury sports car that my significant other won't mind being in. For the T, I think I'll go for the carbon buckets, carbon roof, Carrera exclusive design wheels, extended range fuel tank, and Bose sound system without any of the extra leather or appearance packages. I'll make that a car for me to just drive by myself without a destination in mind. I think if I do that I can probably make them feel different enough that I can have them both. If they end up feeling the same, I don't know that I could justify keeping the T when I already have the CGTS with a better engine.
MrEwThatsGross@reddit
What was the ADM like in your area?
-serious-@reddit
Luckily for me, $0.
yellowcroc14@reddit
It’s a 340 horsepower car, not necessarily a Miata
neodymiumex@reddit
The T has 388 HP. This article uses an incorrect number.
yellowcroc14@reddit
Oh it’s only got nearly 400 horsepower? /s
jondes99@reddit
How do you even merge safely with only 388 horsepower?
yellowcroc14@reddit
Exactly how I feel, this is why I drive a 5 speed Versa
Lamborghini4616@reddit
Woah there careful with that supercar!
caterham09@reddit
Yeah I mean it's less than you'd expect for $120k base anywhere else, but it's also exactly what you'd expect from Porsche
bestselfnice@reddit
I mean it's also like 3,200 lbs.
Trollygag@reddit
3250, 3330 with PDK
In comparison, the 460bhp C7 stingray was 3300-3400 depending on trim.
Tight_Olive_2987@reddit
It’s 3347-3535 and would get absolutely smacked around any track by a carrera T while the T driver is thinking damn this is a nice interior instead of damn this boat looks like shit from in here
bestselfnice@reddit
And hasn't been sold in half a decade. The C8 starts around 3650.
I'm a huge GM guy (my last car was a 17 Camaro SS 1LE) but Porsche is doing a better job of offering legitimate sports cars at light (by modern standards) weight.
Would be all over it if they wanted to go full C5Z and make a weight focused Corvette again though, especially with a stick.
Eli_eve@reddit
Yeah, I have an M340i on order with the same HP for half the cost - but the BMW also weighs 4000 lbs so… LOL
Tight_Olive_2987@reddit
Yeah 800lbs is a lot… how tf is it that much heavier?
skrotumshredder@reddit
German hp too. So its likely over 400 at crank
masterventris@reddit
And if you hate warranties the current turbo engines only need an exhaust and will chip tune to 560bhp. Litchfield have posted loads of examples on their instagram of customer cars with this done to them.
NotsoNewtoGermany@reddit
This is a great point I had forgotten about. The horsepower listed is usually the horsepower you will achieve in the most realistic and harshest condition. I keep forgetting this fact. I drive one once and was floored that the amount of horsepower it had could feel like that, I was near a shop at the time, it easily had 50 horsepower more than listed. No mods. No tuning. I'll have to remember this when Cartubers mention these numbers.
imjoeking69@reddit
Yes that’s how all engines work
gumol@reddit
and 500 at the wheels /s
OpenlyBiCoastal@reddit
600hp when you’re bench racing your buddies.
kholin@reddit
And my lotus is "underpowered" people are so jaded these days. You'd think by some reviews it was a miata competitor. BTW nice GTS4.0, that's what I was saving for before the Emira!
Kmaaq@reddit
That's nothing in this day and age
yellowcroc14@reddit
Compared to what? The 911 has never been the most powerful car on the market
D4rkr4in@reddit
Miata proves horsepower is overrated
RamenWrestler@reddit
Agreed, my old shitbox has about the same power/weight and it's pretty quick
GentianGT4@reddit
Orrr buy a 4L cayman for less with more power and the engine in the right spot... And it weighs less.
Kyaaaaaaaa@reddit
I'd get one but I just bought a 992 c2s and can't imagine downgrading to an interior without Android Auto on a daily driver. One of the reasons I bought the 911 over the cgts.
GentianGT4@reddit
I get it. The point of OP's article is about focusing on a Porsche that's designed for a focus on driving and dynamics of the car. If you can't imagine an interior without Android I don't think the 992 T or any cayman is meeting you're needs
parker2020@reddit
Good luck finding a manual cayman GTS 4.0
NoctD@reddit
Getting an allocation right now shouldn't be any more difficult than one for the new T, but act NOW if you want a new GTS 4.0. Or you'll regret it for life.
parker2020@reddit
I can’t get an allocation for a GTS but I’m on the list for a T. Yes you can find GTS 4.0’s but you can’t get a new one at this point. They’ve moved on
Kyaaaaaaaa@reddit
My dealer said I can get an allocatio in January. But I just got a 992 and don't feel like wasting more money. It's barely smaller and has no back seats for my kids.
NoctD@reddit
No they haven't - you just got upsold by the dealer. You'll have to call around to get a GTS 4.0 allocation, also there's new dealer specced ones I see right now incoming to the US. If it shows up on the Porsche US inventory, there's no buyer associated with the car, and there's 4 6MT GTS 4.0s incoming at the moment. If you really want an allocation and don't want to bother calling around, use a broker, you'll have to pay their fee but its not terrible, and they should be able to get you an MSRP allocation (+ their fee).
IGuessSomeLikeItHot@reddit
Why not walk into a dealer and get one? Asking for a friend.
DummyThicccThrowaway@reddit
I don't have first hand experience but I've heard it's in high demand. That paired with the fact they're already out of production means it'll probably be very difficult to just get one from your local dealer
IGuessSomeLikeItHot@reddit
They are out of production? As in they are not building any new ones? Why not?
DummyThicccThrowaway@reddit
Cayman and Boxster platforms are switching to EV only due to regulations :/
I believe it starts 2025, and they've probably already adjusted the factory lines for this
bomboyage@reddit
They are still being made for the us market production will stop October of 2025
DummyThicccThrowaway@reddit
Ah thanks wasn't sure... Also do you have your gt4 bored out a little to 4.25 L? Is that with DeMann's shop?
bomboyage@reddit
No I’m in the process of rebuilding it myself I’m a dealer tech, using LN engineering to bore it to 105mm and then a OEM base 991 3.6L crankshaft which is a stroker crank from factory which is what DeMan used to do before the 4.5L but they use a special crankshaft that you can’t just buy for the 4.5Ls. And I’m not paying 50k for a rebuild I’ll be into it for around 15k
IGuessSomeLikeItHot@reddit
oy
parker2020@reddit
I did actually try this and ended up on a waitlist for a careera t
IGuessSomeLikeItHot@reddit
How long have you been waiting?
SprackenZieEnglish@reddit
There's one on CarMax in the US right now
WildWildcat@reddit
Lol I’d love to know what person traded that in for on Carvana
AdministrationIcy368@reddit
You don’t have to trade. Carvana buys.
WildWildcat@reddit
I’m aware I just can’t imagine someone choosing to sell that car to Carvana vs private sale unless they had a car they wanted in a trade.
goaelephant@reddit
Carvana buys from auctions also, not just direct from consumer
AdministrationIcy368@reddit
If Carvana offers you a solid price, you take it for the convenience versus having to deal with 50 tire kickers low balling you for weeks, PPI, shipping, blah blah.
Keellas_Ahullford@reddit
Some people don’t want to deal with the hassle of selling privately, and probably make enough money that they don’t really mind getting less in return
parker2020@reddit
Fair but you can’t get a new allocation and they’ll even pop up on BAT
hidetheclown@reddit
Are they rare in the US? I wish it was the same here, as an owner… prices are dropping a fair bit in comparison to GT4 or 991.2 GTS models.
shmeeshmaa@reddit
Yeah. I’ve only seen 2 other than mine in 3 years. And I’m in SoCal. Not counting GT4s.
caterham09@reddit
Not to mention it's also going away so the point becomes mute once you start comparing prices between new and used cars.
TerrorDact@reddit
moot
foolear@reddit
Those are not very hard to find tbh
Musabi@reddit
Was on the waiting list for a GT4 for two years when they killed it so went for a 992.1 T instead as the list for the GTS 4.0 was another 2 years at that point :,(
AlgernusPrime@reddit
If you really want a 4L Cayman that’s more affordable, get the 987S with the bore scoring on the engine. Probably goes for less than $10k. Get that engine rebuilt and bored out to 3.9/4.2L depending on your budget. There’s a shop that does that near me. It’s $20k if the crankshaft is still good. Can’t guarantee how long it would run for outside of that 1year warranty.
SenhorSus@reddit
But muh gear rashioes!!!
EL_JAY315@reddit
Gear ratios have a huge effect on the driving experience though
Slimy_Shart_Socket@reddit
Drove a V8 Vantage 4.7L. On paper its over 400hp, but when first gear goes to 50mph it doesn't feel fast. Fuck was it ever loud.
caterham09@reddit
Porsche has been making a living selling cars with less than desirable Hp figures, but brilliant driving dynamics for literally decades at this point.
parker2020@reddit
I don’t understand this argument. The car has plenty of horsepower and an amazing driving dynamic. If you want a high horsepower car get a 5.0 mustang but you’ll get smoked by a GTS 4.0 or a base 911 on a track.
New_Inside3001@reddit
The argument stems from people’s inability to differentiate agility from acceleration as two separate leading metrics
Truthfully having both is better but how the cars experience actually effects you depends a lot on where you live and how you drive
For Americans, straight speed is generally very important, as the vast majority of roads aren’t as complex and convoluted as the European ones. For the latter, for most countries top speed is secondary as technical roads are generously present and better suited
ZannX@reddit
Because it's easier to measure horsepower and acceleration. There isn't a universal agility metric.
Animanganime@reddit
What about the moose test?
New_Inside3001@reddit
Nurburgring laps are my go to for this
Weary-Perception259@reddit
M5 will spank a Cayman GT4 on the ring.
But what would you rather drive?
New_Inside3001@reddit
Again, one compare between similar cars
Compare a GT4 with a supra, a 400z, a lotus exige,
Weary-Perception259@reddit
My point is your metric sucks
New_Inside3001@reddit
Not for me
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
So, you look at Nurburgring lap times when you are searching for a daily driver?
New_Inside3001@reddit
Sporty ride, kinda
I live in a very mountainous area that mimicks the ring
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
OK, Misha.
xlb250@reddit
The Cayenne laps the Nurburgring faster than a Miata. Is it more agile?
New_Inside3001@reddit
A modern cayenne gts or turbo is extremely agile for an SUV, so actually yeah
But you compare by class and typology of car, ring times definitely are a good representation of how well a car handles the turns
xlb250@reddit
I would compare with similar power to weight ratio and tires to minimize acceleration influence on lap times. There aren't many "enthusiast" options on the market. Very likely you will be comparing across classes and weighing trade offs. Like should I deal with the impracticality of a sports car or just get a hot hatch?
I think this is OK for assessing braking and handling performance on a track, but I don't think it represents "agility". For me, agility is how fast the car can shift its weight. Problem with track driving is that they are quite large and there's not much time spent in weight transfer compared to everything else. Differences in agility get lost in the noise.
JackTwoGuns@reddit
I bet a ram 2500 with a hellcat laps a Miata too.
ItsAndwew@reddit
With all the high speed straights and corners?
The_Duke2331@reddit
The green hell: 'am i a joke to you?'
noodlecrap@reddit
the argument stems from people that know nothing about cars and only want horsepower as if that was the main metric. they’ll buy 500hp 2tons cars when literally a 20hp go-kart is more fun (meaning, they should probably get a low weight low hp car to have fun)
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
What?
It's not for Americans, it's for auto journalists. They fixate on two objective figures:
Many/most of them judge and rank cars based heavily on those two figures.
FriedChicken4Dayzz@reddit
The base 911 and GTS 4.0 would also beat a Mustang in a drag race too
caterham09@reddit
I do think it has plenty of power, but it's undeniably less than you get from basically every other manufacturer.
I'd also like to challenge you on that track performance statement. While C&D's lightning lap isn't the be all end all, it's a pretty good yard stick as to how a car will perform. The 2018 911 Carrera T ran 2:53.4 around VIR, while the 2018 Mustang PP2 pulled 2:53.8. Very comparable track performance for ~1/3 the price.
Granted that was 6 years ago, but that was the newest "base" model 911 they ran.
Slimy_Shart_Socket@reddit
I'm a huge Mustang fan. But if you put the average auto enthusiast in both cars, they would be a good chunk faster in the Porsche.
6carecrow@reddit
Right, as a GT owner, they’re definitely quick, but i feel like you couldn’t just put any one into one and have them hit a track and set a decent time
Duct_tape_bandit@reddit
You should go to a pca track day and then say this again
6carecrow@reddit
I don’t get if that means they handle better than i think or worse than i think 😭
parker2020@reddit
That second point is fair it would depend on the options
caterham09@reddit
I think personally for me it's far less about track performance than it is about driving dynamics. A base 911 is probably going to outshine literally everything at or below it's price range in terms of feel and just overall driving pleasure.
It may be low on power but it's more than you will ever need on a road.
parker2020@reddit
You keep saying low on power… and it makes almost 400 horsepower. I completely disagree but okay.
strongmanass@reddit
It's a relative statement. It's low on power compared to other coupes at that price point. These days there aren't many, but the LC500, BMW M850i, and even the AMG GT43 that people relentlessly made fun of last week all have more power than the Carrera T. To prove OP's point, the Carrera is more dynamic than those three as well.
megacookie@reddit
It does help that the Carrera is something like 500-1000lb lighter than those others. Were it the base with PDK, it'd give them a run for their money in acceleration figures.
geezwow@reddit
Shdtou that say 1:53.x. a Honda fit can do 2:35.
caterham09@reddit
No. My numbers are correct. The 2015 fit they had ran a 3:37.7
geezwow@reddit
What course at vir? I was just there for full course and did a 2:11 in my car.
caterham09@reddit
They have it listed on their website for you to look. It's the "Grand course"
bestselfnice@reddit
The PP2 is on stupid Sport Cup 2s that basically every owner takes off for reasonable street tires.
obeytheturtles@reddit
And 99.9% of people who own both cars will never race them on a track.
osofresh98@reddit
“69% of Carrera T owners participate in driving events” https://jalopnik.com/2025-porsche-911-carrera-t-is-perfectly-tailored-for-di-1851702446
Exotic_Pollution8346@reddit
"smoked" is a leap, dark horse is only 1 second off the gt4 - https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a23319884/lightning-lap-times-historical-data/ mustang puts down solid lap times.
democracywon2024@reddit
Yeah, but this is a 135k car (149k convertible).
You're gonna smoke this on the track with a base model Corvette around 80k, and have room to option that out to well over 100k.
135k also gets you into beginner used hypercar territory. I know personally, if I had 135k (I don't) I'd probably buy a used Acura NSX second gen for around 120k. I think the market is soft on those, only 2,908 were made and for whatever reason the market never responded well to them. I think that's a car that is almost certain to make you money in 20 years lol.
caterham09@reddit
NC1 NSX are a decent value, but it's an expensive car to maintain. 75k service requires an engine out valve job, which is somewhere between 10-20k to do. That's why they start to depreciate very quickly as they approach the service.
democracywon2024@reddit
Even considering that, the low end on those is around $110-115k so you could even throw in that job on one of the cheaper examples and be around $135k.
I just can't find an example of any other comparable car priced that low and at one point these even bottomed below 100k briefly.
The biggest risk I saw with them was if those early hybrid hypercars as a whole had a soft market, but everything else has performed ok.
Idk, if I win the lottery I'll buy one lol so I won't.
_The_Real_Sans_@reddit
While it's not as unique and doesn't really have the same 'wow' factor of the NSX, I wonder how the E-Ray stacks up in terms of just performance and daily livability.
caterham09@reddit
I mean just off the top of my head for comparables in that price range you have
C8 z06, 991 Turbo S, Amg Gt R, r8 v10, final gen viper, McLaren 570s, or an Lc500.
Not saying any of those are clearly superior options, but they all can be argued as being a better car in certain ways than the NSX. There's a ton of options once you get to that price point
Separate_Sleep_3335@reddit
A straight track, sure a base Corvette would ‘smoke’ the Carrera T but really that is limited to the C8. A base C6 or C7 are similar in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.
Pick a tight and more technical track and the Carrera is a much better performer than any of the base Corvettes to include the C8 even optioned with the Z51 package.
DummyThicccThrowaway@reddit
So like a 918? Or P1
PBP2024@reddit
Meh, I wish my 718 GTS 4.0 had a bit more HP, maybe around 440 or so... Just guessing but maybe it's also because I'm normally at altitude lol
BWFTW@reddit
You can get huge power out of headers and a tune for those cars from what I've seen online.
PBP2024@reddit
Yep, deciding on a full exhaust system now! There's the software upgrades but I'm very wary on how much that actually works for a N/A engine.
BWFTW@reddit
Do it and post some before and after dynos, I'm super curious. Given how much power the poster in the thread I linked gained from just headers I'm curious if the factory tune is extremely conservative for emissions reasons. Because you usually don't get 50hp just from headers. What are companies saying you can expect from just a tune and no other mods? Also, how have you been liking your GTS 4.0 in general, is it your first sports car or porsche?
PBP2024@reddit
I've been waiting for other people to do that because they claim they will and then they never do. I lean towards it's more of a waste of money.
BWFTW@reddit
That is awesome! I hope you enjoy it in good health.
cloudofevil@reddit
Context matters. This is a $120k sports car. You can get a Supra for half the price with the same power and still handles very well.
Bombaysbreakfastclub@reddit
So you do understand the argument
GoBSAGo@reddit
Decades? Well over 70 years at this point.
jqueef500@reddit
One could even say decades
GoBSAGo@reddit
Months even!
Educational_Age_1333@reddit
I can see both sides of this conversation. I'm sure it's a very enjoyable car but I'm also sure that people spending $135,000 Don't like to see a three at the start of the horsepower figures.
VEGA3519@reddit
The Cayman still exist, just saying. $72k is still not the cheapest, but it's still $63k less
KyledKat@reddit
I wonder how many people actually cross-shop the 718s and the 911. Feels very Camaro and Corvette in their dynamic, especially when the 6th gen ZL1 was absolute track monster at the base price of a C7. Like the Corvette, I would guess most poeple buying the 911 are doing it for the brand prestige or they're just 911 folk.
skerpz@reddit
I’ve owned both a Cayman and a (991.1) 911. I ended up going back to the Cayman platform.
The 992 just doesn’t interest me. I’ve test driven a 992S, and I was bored. It’s too big, too quiet, too composed, and has too much gloss black. The retro-futuristic tach was neat, but now they’ve replaced it with a screen for the 992.2.
My GT4 is small, rowdy, and manual. It’s kind of like a 997 with Carplay and a more up to date exterior. I love it.
AlgernusPrime@reddit
The folks that are buying the 911s are buying it for prestige, utility, luxury and power.
The folks buying the Cayman are Miata owners that cares about the driving dynamics and the fun aspect of a real sports car….
J/k we’re too broke to buy a 911, (there’s some true to it tho)…
KyledKat@reddit
Hey, I can absolutely afford buy a 911!
^Just^a^used^salvage ^^^^title^996...
kid50cal@reddit
But a top spec miata is 40k and is 90% the fun (if you fit) /s?
PanzerPeach@reddit
it makes over 400 at the wheels, porsche underrates their numbers
Bad_Karma21@reddit
I'm sure there will be a tune to boost those numbers pretty high as well.
Sneakystrong86@reddit
It's 388hp in a 3200lb car. That makes for a power to weight ratio 99% of cars on the road would be jealous of. It's also twin turbo so the low end torque is massive compared to a naturally aspirated 388hp. All this to say, this car is still very much about horsepower.
strangway@reddit
“We totally shatter the myth that a car capable of going from 0–60 in 4.3 seconds is overrated.”
Uh huh
WendysChiliAndPepsi@reddit
Based on car enthusiast attitudes these days I'm clearly in the minority but I'd go as far as arguing 340 is even too much. Although maybe not with how porky the 911 has gotten now. For the street power and gearing you can max out regularly is way more enjoyable than a higher HP figure. Add to that a car that actually has character and lets you feel something and that's a way more compelling proposition to me. Couldn't give a shit about the HP honestly. The ND was supposed to be the savior for that but unfortunately took too many steps back from the NC. You really can't get a good characterful street car now without getting an Emira. And even then the engine isn't that great.
SophistXIII@reddit
I agree - I think people shopping the T aren't spec sheet shopping.
The spec sheet buyers are getting the Turbo S or a Z06 or something else with a billion hp.
388hp sounds just about right here - not sure you need more than 400hp on the street, especially with a MT.
I expect T buyers are just looking for a good MT experience at a relative discount to a GT3 Touring.
Final_Winter7524@reddit
There’s an old saying that Porsche HP „count double“ on the race track. Through leightweight building amazing suspension design, Porsches have always been able to outrun much stronger cars.
objectivePOV@reddit
Why do you almost never see people use power to weight ratios to compare cars?
Just a peak HP number without any other specs about the car is almost useless.
Exotic_Pollution8346@reddit
911s aren't that lightweight anymore if we're being honest
_galaga_@reddit
It sounds awesome, and I'm sure it is in person, but I'm not sure its 2x as awesome as a manual Z4 for 2x the price. I know that won't matter to most buyers but I've been driving an older Z4 lately and everything the author described as fun in the T is also fun in the Z4 at the lower price point and it's less "precious" of a car, if that makes sense.
mr_lab_rat@reddit
But I think it’s important that Porsche keeps building good cars like this.
BMW is too focused on crazy hp numbers, everything is too big, too heavy, too stiff.
_galaga_@reddit
The Z4 is lucky in that it’s avoided most of the bloat elsewhere in BMW’s range. An advantage of being a model with a low sales target, probably.
ScipioAfricanvs@reddit
One reviewer, I think maybe Matt Farrah, called it a fast, luxury Miata and that’s actually pretty high praise. It may not be as light and nimble, but I do think it’s ignored quite a bit for what it is. I guess the new manual Z4 is just in a rough price bracket, though I think a base or S 718 is just not a super interesting product for the price.
_galaga_@reddit
Yeah, I can see Matt saying that. The Z4 is a bit pricey but I agree it's compelling vs the base/S 718. The progression seems to be Miata -> Z4 M40i -> Boxster GTS 4.0 -> Carrera T in price tiers with a ~$30k gap between each, give or take, amongst manual convertibles. Feels like there's diminishing returns paying the Porsche tax, though, when the B58/manual Z4 is so good all around.
jeffh19@reddit
I always get excited to read and talk about 911 things as I fantasize about getting one someday…but every time I read how great the 911 is I always think in my head all the people I trust who talk about cars always say the Cayman is a more fun/better driving experience
WarDEagle@reddit
Guess you just have to drive them both to make the decision!
NFA_Cessna_LS3@reddit
Almost 400 HP in a light car...proves HP isn't needed wtf?!?!
SomestrangerinMiami@reddit
Fun
DrTurb0@reddit
Why is the cabriolet 15k more expensive??? That can’t be justified.
Xiinz@reddit
Old people like cabs. Old people have money.
TheNonExample@reddit
Here’s hoping that the T Cab follows the typical accelerated 911 depreciation curves (more expensive than hardtop new, cheaper used) so I can afford one in a decade.
vexx786@reddit
Love the shift knob
BalancedGuy1@reddit
A 380hp isn’t a c8 corvette in terms of HP but it ain’t no Miata either
mauijosh_87@reddit
Oh look it starts at 135k… and it doesn’t depreciate… guess I’ll never own one.
Big-Smoke99@reddit
It definitely depreciates
anonymousbystander7@reddit
…modestly
a-jasem@reddit
Porsche hp is something different for sure. Mat Armstrong beat a 700hp W205 C63 in a manual 992 GT3
CMDR_omnicognate@reddit
- "horsepower is overrated"
- looks inside
-394 PS
Competitive_Effort88@reddit
People tend to forget that 388 horsepower and 388 Porschepower are two different things.
unsaltedbutter@reddit
I got a '24 T with the 7spd and I love it. On the waiting list to buy another. Could have easily bought something with more power but I don't need it.
DrTurb0@reddit
The coupe is 135k$ and the cabriolet is 150k$. Holy moly. I would have gotten the cabriolet. But actually the 911 is such a huge car. And I’m not fond of the 2+2 seater, realistically you don’t use the rear seats at all, maybe for luggage. A proper 2-seater would be better. And one with the perfect weight distribution of a mid engine.
That’s why I have gotten a 718 Boxster GTS 4.0. it’s a blast to drive! So agile on curvy mountain roads. I love it. It’s not as modern as this 911 but I love the big shifter knob (have PDK) and all the buttons on the cluster.
It’s not the legendary 911 but it’s lighter, more agile and more fun on public roads.
Rotor4@reddit
On the right roads or track I wouldn't need or want any more power to enjoy driving a capable car like that.
Pahlevun@reddit
Lmfao yeah horsepower is overrated, you only need 400 hp from a twin turbo 6!
/s
mmartino03@reddit
This is 100% my "realistic" dream car.