No tax on Overtime possible, Leave Trucking?
Posted by misterwillaz@reddit | Truckers | View on Reddit | 294 comments
Since Trump won the election anyone else considering a move out of Trucking? Most of us get miles and are not hourly.
Gandlerian@reddit
I would wait for this to pass before rushing into a new industry. This won't go into effect in January, it may be years, if ever (such bill are politically complicated.) Many Presidents promise all kinds of stuff on campaign trails that they never even make an effort to start once actually in office. So don't spend your life over a random offhand campaign promise.
J3wb0cca@reddit
The problem is that if a bill gets any kind of bipartisan support, it means it’s a massive multi billion dollar bill over a thousand pages thick and is full of both things their constituents want and garbage. So that way IF it doesn’t pass then the politicians can say they tried and keep their fight going for another term. It’s all theater and like you said everything takes forever to finalize and implement with Covid vaccines being the exception.
UrbanGhost114@reddit
It doesn't need bipartisan support it just needs Republican support. They have all four branches of government lockdown.
We are screwed
SilvermistInc@reddit
You guys freaked out in 2016 when this happened, and nothing went down. You'll live
Sir_Uncle_Bill@reddit
They'll live better than the previous 4 years too. Just like after 2016.
SlipperyPigHole@reddit
The first 4, the economy was still riding Obama's coattails. By the time trump left office, it took a shit. The last 4 years were spent getting everything somewhat normal and stable and in trumps true fashion, like anything else he touches, it's gonna go to shit.
That bitchboy takes everything he touches and turns it into shit. The US is gonna be 50 trillion in debt by the time he leaves office most likely.
ShoddyRaisin4042@reddit
Honestly trumps economy was doing really good until covid. The covid response was horrible and draconian with overbearing unconstitutional govt mandates and not allowing doctors to treat their patients
SlipperyPigHole@reddit
It was because he fired the pandemic team put together for situations like that. Experts that knew how to deal with things like COVID
The worst thing that happened during the COVID era was that COVID was politicized and people died because it.
Nobody was stopping doctors from treating patients, ever. Hospitals were swamped with people needing care and treatment wasn't being refused. Wearing a facemask so you don't get someone else sick should have never been an issue.
ShoddyRaisin4042@reddit
Doctors absolutely were prevented from giving their patients life saving treatments like budesidine which is a common asthma treatment. The treatment protocols from the cdc were to stay at home until you were so sick you can breath then go get put on a ventilator and get shot up with experimental remdesiver. This is not a conspiracy it's written fact. Many Doctors who tried alternative treatments were stripped of their medical lisences for simply following the hippocratic oath. This medical tyranny is a large part of why the death rates in the US were so staggering high. Dr Robert Malone, Dr Francis Boyle and many others have tried to rail this point home for years now
rbstewart7263@reddit
Facts don't work well w the cults need to be glaze daddy trump.
Bibbimbopp@reddit
Yeah, that "Cash for Clunkers" really turbocharged the economy. Probably the most impactful initiative Obama pushed for the economy.
Sir_Uncle_Bill@reddit
Yea we're still figuring out how dumb an idea that was.
StolenRage@reddit
4 branches? I only know of three.
UrbanGhost114@reddit
House, Senate, scotus, POTUS
StolenRage@reddit
House and Senate are the same branch of government called Congress. It is also known as the legislative branch.
UrbanGhost114@reddit
Heya!!
Wanted to share the bit of news that the house passed a bill that would allow the Trump administration to silence decent and go after political enemies... Are we worried yet?
UrbanGhost114@reddit
Yet they are treated different practically speaking.
If you don't control BOTH right now, you don't get anything done, and they control all leavers.
das745@reddit
It would seem you know not of the fillerbuster
UrbanGhost114@reddit
😂 they are going to change the rules for that before the first session starts.
das745@reddit
It could happen. I've been against it for a long time. Let's just see how popular some of their bat shit crazy ideas are. Many people don't pat attention till it effects them. Well a whole lot of people are fixen to be affected.
CoolFirefighter930@reddit
He could do an executive action and just sign it in to law. But yeah I need to absolutely wait and see.
Quelix_@reddit
Executive orders are worth less than the paper tgey sre printed on. The mean jack shit to 95% of the country and only actually affect the Executive branch of the government, the military, and entities with government contracts. The last one is also provisional and is based mostly on what part of the government oversees the contract. If it's a Congressional contract (like those involved with the covid vaccine and overseen by the FDA) then it doesn't affect them, but on the flips side, any contract overseen by the DoD or any law enforcement agency, then they are affected by an Executive Order.
CoolFirefighter930@reddit
We will know in about two months if we not in WW3 by then.
Quelix_@reddit
There is nothing to know. Even if he does it as an EO, it means absolutely jack shit. Then, the current Biden fuck up with the missiles in Ukraine, if he's not mentally competent to run for president again, then he should not have the authority to give approval for acts of war.
jvt1976@reddit
The question with biden another 4 more years of competency. Just because someone doesn't decide to run for another term doesnt mean he should have all his powers stripped. Between andrew jackson and lincoln none of the presidents ran for reelection.
Quelix_@reddit
He didn't decide not to run. His party stripped him of his eligibility. Biden did everything in his power to undermine Kamala's campaign in retaliation
Kamala: i played no part in the failure of this administration!
Biden: Kamala was instrumental in the day to day activities of my administration.
It was like this the entire time. Every time Kamala either confirmed or denied her involvement in something that happened during her term as VP, Biden was right there saying the exact opposite.
jvt1976@reddit
Lol thats hardly undermining her: undermining her would of been to tell what the truth was....she was a typical vp and really had no major responsibilities....that would of undermined her
daemonescanem@reddit
In 6 months, you will realize we will be living in an authoritarian state, with the God King your leader for life.
Quelix_@reddit
You act like Biden isn't trying to start WW3 in an attempt to forcibly keep himself in office.
daemonescanem@reddit
So Biden giving Ukraine permission to use long range weapons is going to start WW3?
Quelix_@reddit
Then apparently, you don't know your international politics. Ukraine has been asking for permission to launch missiles into Russia since the 90s. Every president and the UN have basically said "oh hell no" until Biden. That means Ukraine has been BEGGING for this chance for 30 years. Still think Russia is the only guilty party here? This is also the reason why Putin keeps demanding the unconditional surrender of Ukraine. He got tired of the petty bullshit and saw an opportunity to end it once and for all after Biden oversaw a failed bailout of the Middle East.
daemonescanem@reddit
All you gave there was MAGA/Russian version of international politics.
So it's Biden's fault Putin invaded Ukraine?
The mental gymnastics need to come up with that is world class..
Quelix_@reddit
When did Putin invade? 5 MONTHS AFTER WE PULLED OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST AND GOT 13 SERVICE MEMBERS KILLED AND ABANDONED US CITIZENS STILL STUCK THERE! The other thing you so conveniently ignore is the fact that Ukrainian leaders are all former KGB....... they are literally fucking Russian MILITARY!!!
daemonescanem@reddit
Lord, you're a nut job.
Make sure to take your meds..
If you cared about American citizens you wouldn't vote Trump.
Quelix_@reddit
Oh ya cuz flip floppy Harris was such a great choice. Tell me where did she stand on issues like Isreal/Hamas or illegal immigration or even the 2A debate?
Bibbimbopp@reddit
Oh baby, oh baby. Can we add advanced medicine granting him quasi-immortality to this story line?
daemonescanem@reddit
Med-beds remember the med-beds?
But seriously, when someone talks about purging the military, that's someone who wants the military loyal to then over the law. Trump loves authoritarians, he wants that and has been open about it for years. 2025 is his chance.
Smooth_cream@reddit
Yikes. Getting down voted simply because you wish for less taxes...definitely a Reddit power move. 😆
daemonescanem@reddit
Executive orders are not laws or legislation.
Gandlerian@reddit
Kind of, but that is very unlikely and would be quickly overturned for something on taxes. I would not count on him exemption OT via executive order.
shadowmib@reddit
Yeah look at all the shit trump promised last time that never happened
hititstiff@reddit
Please name 3 things pledged and not delivered
SlipperyPigHole@reddit
"He won't have time to play golf as president" - golfed an estimated 261 times.
Repeal the ACA - failed, thankfully.
Cut your taxes - the fuck he did.
Boost economic growth by 4 percent every year - the economy stalled and he had the highest unemployment levels since the great depression.
Promised to be the voice of American Workes - set us back 20 years in workers rights.
Promised to eliminate the federal deficit - increased it by record levels.
Promised to only hire the best people - hired a bunch of fucking morons and is doing that again.
Promised to bring down prescription drug prices - drug prices soared.
Promised to revive coal - the fuck he did.
Promised to "drain the swamp" - he is the swamp.
Mexico would pay for the border wall - cost us $11 billion dollars.
Promised to bring peace to the middle east - the fuck he did.
Lock up Hillary Clinton - yeah, the fuck he did.
Promised to "whip the federal government in shape" using his "business experience" - the fuck he did.
Six weeks of paid maternity leave for mothers who's employer doesn't already provide the benefit - fucking liar.
End Kim Jong Un's nuclear program - fucking lied again
End the opioid crisis - the fuck he did
Release his tax returns - the fuck he did
Enact term limits for congress - the fuck he did.
Protect American Steel - continues to take a shit to this day
qualmton@reddit
This is a nothing burger
Turnvalves@reddit
Couldn’t the president just walk in to congress and say sit your monkey ass down then proceed to make it law?
japandrew@reddit
Not really, there's this funny little piece of paper called the Constitution.
lord_nuker@reddit
Nobody has told him about it🤷♂️
BrassMonkey-NotAFed@reddit
There are several people, politicians and otherwise, that don’t know what the constitution is nor how it works.
OldBrokeGrouch@reddit
I think at least 40% of America thinks that getting fired over something they said is a 1st amendment violation.
BrassMonkey-NotAFed@reddit
I’d wager that it’s more than that lmao
OldBrokeGrouch@reddit
Yeah I was trying to be generous. I worked with a guy who had a big rebel flag on his truck. The owner of the company, who also owns the land, told him he didn’t want that flag on the property of his business so he can either take it down or park elsewhere. So the guy told him he was violating his constitutional rights. He ended up getting himself fired over it, but that’s what happens.
BrassMonkey-NotAFed@reddit
Yeah, it’s clear as day that the 1A prohibits the government, federal and state, from retaliating for speech within reasonable bounds. It does nothing to stop private employers from canning your ass over speech.
Though, there is an argument to be made that the government pushing for quasi-government companies like Meta, X, etc. to restrict speech and remove posts that the government disagrees with as “misinformation” is an infringement upon the 1A. The people have the right to speech without government interference, even if the government labels it as misinformation or hate speech. Their only recourse is to counter the speech with facts and the government ain’t too keen on being honest over the past 80 years.
Yz-Guy@reddit
Checks and balances. No one branch has ult8mate power. And can be over turned by another. Think of it like rock paper scissors.
stephenlong202@reddit
His first campaign, he promised that Mexico was gonna pay for a wall and it was gonna drain the swamp, neither one of those happened. To me, he made a ton of money off the swamp
Dry_Lengthiness6032@reddit
If they eliminate tax on overtime, they'll also make it almost impossible to get overtime, I guarantee it
jvt1976@reddit
Why would the company care if youre paying tax or not?
Dezzolve@reddit
This is what people don’t understand, the companies are not spending any more money than they already are.
The worker benefits and nothing changes for the company.
Waisted-Desert@reddit
That depends. Is the government just going to lose all that revenue? Or do you think it's more likely that they'd require the employer to not only continue to contribute their regular share of taxes on that OT, but to now make the employer contribute the employee's share instead also?
I'm betting they'll make the employer pay. That incentivizes the employer to stop allowing OT and to hire more part time employees instead.
jvt1976@reddit
Remember this is income tax....not fica (social security/medicare)...thats not going away so employee and employer will still both be contributing 7.65%....employer still paying workers comp on that ot but its calculated to take into account the extra pay from ot....state withholding stays the same. Only difference is no federal withholding....or hell they might still withhold and you get it back on your taxes....typing all this to say it aint gonna happen
Waisted-Desert@reddit
I understand exactly what it is. And the government is not going to NOT get their money from somewhere. Every time there's a tax break, there's a replacement revenue stream.
Every
Time
Dezzolve@reddit
I do not see the point in getting so up in arms about something you don’t know.
It could be great, it could be not so great.
Is it not worth doing at all because there is a possibility that they could fuck it up? What kind of pessimism is this. There will never be any meaningful change if you aren’t willing to set aside politics in order to admit that something might be a great idea.
Waisted-Desert@reddit
I said nothing about politics. I don't care which side of the aisle you choose, look at the facts. Ever since the IRS was established in 1862 their total revenue has only dropped 4 times, and those were during recessions where both GDP and household income have dropped.
Do you think they're going to forego taxing individuals and NOT get that revenue from another source?
Dezzolve@reddit
It’s only taxes on overtime, not all individual income.
Overtime pay tax probably makes up less than 0.01% of the IRS’s total revenue. Gotta think maybe 5% of workers get overtime every week, and then maybe only 10hrs per person max. Say they make $20/hr standard time so $30 at time and a half so that’s an additional $300 they are earning weekly.
You can expect about 20-30% of your income to come out in taxes so that’s like $90 a week they are missing out on per overtime worker. And that’s being very generous and saying every worker is getting 10hrs which is rarely the case.
Waisted-Desert@reddit
There's 162 million workers. Assume 1/2 are getting OT. Also assume that your $90 estimate in taxes is correct. That's $379 billion per year. You think the government isn't going to find that $379 billion somewhere else?
The easiest place to find it is from the employers. And that will make many employers decide to cut back on OT since it would be cheaper to hire a part timer to work those 10 hours a week at the going rate rather than pay you the going rate plus the OT taxes on your behalf.
Turbulent-Pay1150@reddit
Not gonna happen. Trump’s record is clearly pro-business anti-employee over many years.
sonofd@reddit
I can see it becoming an issue for the company (at least initially) due to the influx of folks wanting to work overtime.
Dezzolve@reddit
Choose one
balancedchaos@reddit
Some journalist read where Trump said he would cut federal overtime, and then that got reconfigured to Trump would cut ALL overtime. I don't know how they think this works, but here we are.
A_Little_Wyrd@reddit
Well, he already increased the amount you need to earn as a salaried worker to get overtime protections already, which cut a lot of people off from earning overtime, let's see how high he is going to raise it this time
https://www.epi.org/press/the-trump-administrations-overtime-rule-leaves-millions-of-workers-behind/
balancedchaos@reddit
I never knew a single salaried employee that earned overtime as a teen, so...okay. That's something new evidently.
A_Little_Wyrd@reddit
I never knew any teens making 35k either, so that's new as well
spyder7723@reddit
It's just like he said Cheney wouldn't be such a warhawk if she was the one getting guns pointed at her, and the left wing media took that and said trump is planning on having her executed by firing squad.
goofzilla@reddit
Do you mean "people who can read" when you say "left wing media"?
"She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK?” the former president said at a campaign event in Glendale with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson. “Let’s see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face.”
I just looked up what he said. It's not hard.
Teknicsrx7@reddit
Wait… so you read his transcript and still think that’s what he was saying? Watch the clip or something if you can’t find a full transcript, it’s extremely clear he was saying she wouldn’t be a Warhawk if she went and fought in a war
Turbulent-Pay1150@reddit
It was pretty mUche a direct quote from the orange chaos godlet.
balancedchaos@reddit
Is it? Or is it a game of journalism telephone?
Turbulent-Pay1150@reddit
Trumps pretty straight forward about what he is. Poor are losers. Handicap are losers. Veterans who were captured are losers.
adamdoesmusic@reddit
The plan is to make overtime a monthly thing rather than a weekly or daily thing.
balancedchaos@reddit
It might be. That would be opt-in for companies, from what I've read.
Smooth_cream@reddit
Why? The main reason most companies have a strict no OT policy is because Uncle Sam taxes the shit out of them for it. If anything, we'll see MORE OT if this passes.
BadAtExisting@reddit
I read that they’re “floating the idea” of recalculating OT from weekly to monthly, so you can pound 90 hours one week then have hours cut the rest of the month. We shall see, but people will riot if they do
Onzaylis@reddit
I actually, genuinely, don't hate that. I despise most trump/maga/p2025 ideas, but this is one of the few exceptions. There have been a good few times in my life is have gladly traded extra work one week for less the next because I wanted time off.
I do think it needs incredibly clear strong guard rails. I don't know exactly what ask it would take, but I think a start would make it voluntary only, and that consent from both parties must be made in writing (digital accepted). Consent must be for a defined time frame, the time frame may only be for a limited period (3 months?), after which consent is automatically withdrawn, though the employee may renew. Define a harsh punishment for any reprisal against the employee, like equivalent full time pay for however long the maximum consent period is. I would maybe allow a carve out for jobs that clearly state up front that they require these kinds of shifts, but they would be required to provide a schedule at least a month in advance or something like that.
BadAtExisting@reddit
It will fully depend on your situation. I make my money with OT. I work 10-12 hour days. I fully expect my work to adjust our days/hours accordingly and my paychecks to get significantly smaller. I am union, but in a blood red right to work state where unions are neutered
Dezzolve@reddit
You know that the company doesn’t pay more money because you aren’t taxed on overtime right? They still pay the same amount. The company is not losing anything, why would they reduce hours?
BadAtExisting@reddit
My employers are pretty famously losing their collective asses right now, and since OT is having a moment they will weasel it away from it. They’re already doing so by sending most of our work overseas claiming we are too expensive. Any work that stays will play by new rules
Dezzolve@reddit
I’m confused where exactly you are conflating the shitty company you work for and a policy that would benefit employees across the nation.
From what you’ve said it sounds like your company is already going under and sending work overseas to cut costs, I would imagine they are not currently offering any overtime. Why do you think that just because you are working for a shitty company that this policy would make anything worse? It’s a shitty company, they are going to be shitty no matter what. Find a new job if you have an issue with it, literally as easy as that.
BadAtExisting@reddit
Stay confused. I don’t work for a single company. My industry is outsourcing. You like it? Wonderful for you. It hurts others. Whatever fuck me
MahoneyBear@reddit
Come to the moving industry during the summer and see how long you keep that attitude lol. One day you’re working 7am until 3am, the next few days you only get a few hours so they don’t have to pay you over time for that 20 hour day.
flatdecktrucker92@reddit
That trade off has only ever been worthwhile if you get overtime for the busy week to offset the loss of hours on the slow week. If you get straight time for 60-80 hours, and nothing the next week, you're twice as tired without any benefit
KilljoyTheTrucker@reddit
A week of work followed by a full week off, with a check that covers both isn't a benefit?
Who's your dope dealer, I need his number.
flatdecktrucker92@reddit
It's not a week of work though. It's two weeks of work crammed into one week of time. If you aren't getting overtime, you're losing out.
If you like the 7 on 7 off schedule then by all means, get a job that offers that, but don't work for less money because that drives down the value of labour and other people will also have to settle for less
KilljoyTheTrucker@reddit
No, it's still a 2 week period, you're just getting the work done up front, so that you get your free time all packed together later.
You're not doing more work for less money, the work load remains the same, but instead of an hour or two free per day, you have entire days free, which has benefits over spreading the work out.
The OT after 40 became a standard when work and pay was looked at on a weekly basis. That standard is long gone in most industries.
If my paycheck remains the same every 2 weeks, but I can get my work done week 1, my options for what I can get done in my free time week 2 are exponentially greater. Personal projects and tasks won't face the same time constraints for time sensitive tasks.
Obviously this system won't be everyone's desire. But there's tons of people that would absolutely thrive with this system too, and it's not a quantitative reduction in labor value either. In fact, it's arguably the opposite, since the longer hours you'd work up front to get that free time later, would result in a lesser quality output per hour worked more than likely.
flatdecktrucker92@reddit
But the current system still allows for this, except you're getting 50% more money for the hours beyond 40. So you're working 80 and getting paid for 100.
What you are asking for is to work 80, get paid for only 80, then have a week off. That's a net loss
jvt1976@reddit
This is insane lol. Theres a reason unions fight for ot after 8. If you were 50 hours one week and theres a holiday/sick/vacation day in there now youre not getting OT as its hours worked ....so any month you take a vacation that almost guarantees you no ot that month despite how much you might work a given week....its a terrible idea
Onzaylis@reddit
Ok, so vacation pay needs to be worked around. That's a good point. Require pto to be counted as regular hours for determining over time.
N661US@reddit
This 100%. I’m not holding my breathe on it
Koltynbm77@reddit
Working in construction will be one of the best ways to get overtime same with a lot of trades
ninj4b0b@reddit
Overtime yes, overtime pay no.
KilljoyTheTrucker@reddit
So the employee net will be about the same/hardly any lower in that situation.
You'd still be taking home more.
But even if the 1.5 rule went away, most companies would still be paying it.
Hell, in conjuction with deportation actually creating more job openings to compete for fewer workers, wages would see an increase from the competition. Or just giving out more OT to who is left.
graciebaddog@reddit
Glad you’re now good with inflation. I’m confused because I have been hearing that it’s bad.
Koltynbm77@reddit
Try getting a group of construction workers to work overtime without pay and see how long it lasts before you don’t have anyone on the job site by 6 o’clock Wednesday afternoon. None of the guys I work with or have worked with will do anything after 40 hours if they’re not being paid
ninj4b0b@reddit
Sorry man, that's what y'all voted for in the states. Just wait, before 2028 overtime pay will just be straight time.
balancedchaos@reddit
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fact-vs-fiction-project-2025s-proposal-for-overtime-calculation/
You have omitted that it will be opt-in, not required.
I dont love it, but let people who see a benefit to it work for those companies.
famcz@reddit
It already is for me. Remember, kids: that only applies to employees. We, as drivers, are not employees but contractors. So even IF you’re hourly like I am, overtime pay is not a thing. The only companies that pay overtime to their drivers do it out of the goodness of their hearts or because their unions fought tooth and nail for that benefit.
Good_Sailor_7137@reddit
Hahaha, never say absolutely. I work hourly, non-union, OT after 40. Tanker is easier than the OTR I used to do.
Whyaremykneessore@reddit
It’s what they voted for
privatelyjeff@reddit
You’re being paid, just not at 1.5 times your rate
BrassMonkey-NotAFed@reddit
Unionized construction, I just got the call for outdoor lineman apprenticeship and it starts at $30 per hour with 5-10’s, OT over 8 in a day and 40 in a week. So, 18 hours of OT per week plus base pay and free health, vision and dental insurance.
No_humperdu@reddit
lol how old are you?5?
Dry_Lengthiness6032@reddit
Since Trump's team is already looking into changing ot rules to anything over 160hrs over 4 weeks, I'd say how old are you? 2?
Dezzolve@reddit
Where is your source on this. You keep parroting this comment with nothing to back it up.
Dry_Lengthiness6032@reddit
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/project-2025-160-hour-work-month/
Dezzolve@reddit
Literally how many times does Trump have to publicly denounce that. It was written for exactly this purpose, to misinform and fear monger. Look at Trump’s Agenda 47 or all of the YouTube videos he’s released if you want to know how he’ll run the country.
As soon as you mention p2025 whatever argument you’re making is invalid.
Dry_Lengthiness6032@reddit
Then why is Trump giving the authors of p2025 cabinet and head of department positions?
Dezzolve@reddit
He’s literally given one cabinet chair to someone from the Heritage foundation, who wrote one chapter of a publication that’s been out since 1981.
Might need to grab a step ladder if you’re going to reach that far.
No_humperdu@reddit
You’re a fucking fool if you think that’s actually going to happen
ikillsheep4u@reddit
The company doesn’t pay any extra for your taxes this is a boost for any employees that are net tax payers
Dry_Lengthiness6032@reddit
They pay extra for your overtime and Trump's team is already looking at changing overtime from anything over 40hrs in one week to anything over 160hrs in four weeks to give employers more flexibility. With that employers can work you like mule for 2-3wks then no work for the rest and you'll be screwed out of up to a full weeks pay. Or in other words you're essentially paying your employer for a week or two off every month
ikillsheep4u@reddit
Yes they pay extra for overtime that is indeed how wages work. But cutting the taxes does nothing to the business as they already paid the full wage.
J3wb0cca@reddit
Sometimes you can’t avoid it with the geography in the West and Midwest. 3 times a week I had to go from Spokane WA to Kalispel MT and in a truck governed at 62 I could be dropping off a box at a residential and it would still take 9 hours round trip in good road conditions. Winter with chains on and off 2-3 times in the same day it’s more like 10.5 hours, let alone actually installing appliances and products time slotted.
Yz-Guy@reddit
If you live in a high density area. Most truck9ng jobs are hourly and work a full 60 hours a week. The OT is always there bc no driving job will dispatch you for 8 and send you home lol
Dry_Lengthiness6032@reddit
Theoretically, with a couple of rule changes, a company could make you work 80hrs every other week and have another driver do the same on your weeks off. Then they wouldn't have to pay anymore OT.
If I was a huge greedy asshole that owned a company, that's what I would do.
Yz-Guy@reddit
Most local companies work on a 60hr/7 day log tho. So you'd still only get 60 per week. At 120 a month. Which is shy 40 of a full time 160. So people would quit.
BrassMonkey-NotAFed@reddit
I mean, wouldn’t getting rid of overtime be a good thing as long as a proper wage was paid? I’d argue more than half of the financial issues people have stem from bad budgeting and the rest is medical debt.
spyder7723@reddit
A few years ago you would have been spot on. But inflation and the housing shortage changed things.
BrassMonkey-NotAFed@reddit
That’s fair, prior to 2022, it was likely 60% bad budgeting, 25% medical debt, and 15% shit luck and cost of living. Now it’s closer to 40% bad budgeting, 40% cost of living, and 20% medical debt.
Filamcouple@reddit
I think you're wrong. Remember, employers pay in on overtime hours also. If they illuminate the employer contribution, it would be an incentive for overtime.
cplog991@reddit
The government cant dictate how a company operates.
Ok-Account-7660@reddit
DoT, Osha, fda, fmcsa, epa, etc would all like a word about that.
cplog991@reddit
My bad. Presidents
Crushed_95@reddit
Lol. I remember when my current employer tried that. They put it in a memo that us local drivers have to just do 40 hours. I would say that lasted 2 weeks but the customers got on the CSR asses about where are their products. Got another memo 2 weeks later that pretty much said "Nevermind the memo from two weeks ago!"
Ultimagic5@reddit
I'm already there at my job lmao, you literally have to call super corporate to get even minutes approved
TwoToadsKick@reddit
Who's they and why would they make it impossible tonl get ot. Just work more than 40 hours. Easy on most local jobs
Critical_Opening_526@reddit
Local jobs do NOT have to pay overtime. Trucking is exempt already.
Things like unions protect it, and so you're non- union places follow suit.
If they can do away with overtime they absolutely would.
Dry_Lengthiness6032@reddit
People on Trump's team have been talking about changing OT to anything over 160 hours over a 4 week period to give employers more flexibility
cable_provider@reddit
Until they change it to over time after 160 hrs in 4 weeks. Small but massive difference
HunterShotBear@reddit
Because they will change the rules on overtime.
They could make it so the days all have be in a row, so they could just give you a day off here and there but still make you work six days a week 8 hour days.
Or make it so it’s not just 40 hours in one week, it could be made to 80 over two weeks. Then implement the consecutive days rule.
Vin1021@reddit
They are already trying to change what overtime looks like. For instance, it would be calculated on a bi-weekly or monthly basis. If it is bi-weekly, you could work 60 hours one week but then cut your hours to 20 the next. So no overtime is paid out.
Responsible-Baby-551@reddit
You’re more likely to see an end to overtime as spelled out in project 2025 than you are no tax on overtime
YellowOne5358@reddit
he has nothing todo with project 2025 turn cnn off
Responsible-Baby-551@reddit
That’s why he’s appointed at least one of the authors to his cabinet. Ps I don’t watch CNN or any other news media. I read my news from multiple sources. I do find it hilarious that you and others think he has nothing to do with it when it was created almost exclusively by people that worked in his administration
Lopsided_Quiet6273@reddit
Every person who says that they don't want MSM and gets their news from "multiple sources" means Facebook and TikTok
Responsible-Baby-551@reddit
Wrong I read my Apple News, I am not on facebook or Tik Tok, remember when you assume it makes an ass out of you
Lopsided_Quiet6273@reddit
I honestly don't know how to reply to that. You've got to be one of the most delusional people I've ever seen.
Responsible-Baby-551@reddit
I’m delusional because I read multiple news sources and I don’t listen to talking heads on left leaning or right leaning news outlets ok whatever buddy. The point I was making that project 2025 was created by former members of trump’s administration is fact. Look it up
Lopsided_Quiet6273@reddit
You're delusional because you think apple news makes you better than everyone else.
Responsible-Baby-551@reddit
Never claimed to be better than anyone
Outlandah_@reddit
Yeah what are your sources lmfao 😂
Responsible-Baby-551@reddit
Reuters, Forbes, AP, The BBC and every other actual News source that comes up on Apple News
Outlandah_@reddit
Ah, so not a single independent news source to speak of. Also calling it “The BBC” just LOL
Outlandah_@reddit
And also calling them “actual news sources” is comedy at best especially in this context
Mr_bungle001@reddit
Nothing to do with project 2025 yet everything he said he’s going to do so far is written right in those pages. Get off that felon’s dick you simp.
Macawed@reddit
Its reddit bro you cant tell them nothing
aCausticAutistic@reddit
Bold of you to assume any president would ever fulfil campaign promises. Stay where you are until you know for sure what's going on. Never ever uproot your life because of some shit a politician says.
mwonch@reddit
All this industry’s man-buns are in this particular thread. Funny!
spyder7723@reddit
It's reddit. All the man buns flock to reddit so it makes it look like there are more than there actually is.
Individual-Fee-5027@reddit
They are
CyrilFiggis00@reddit
It doesn't matter who is President.. I'm leaving trucking for a while.
I'm currently earning 500+ per night as a local driver. Jan 1, my employer is losing the current contract that I was hired for and I'll probably never find a local company job like that again.
My body is in constant pain and I'm ready for a change.
SlipperyPigHole@reddit
99 percent of what comes out of Trumps mouth is bullshit. Not gonna happen. The next 4 years are probably gonna be the worst 4 years America has experienced in a long, long time.
The words that come out that dumb piece of shit's mouth are pretty much worthless.
ChiDaddy123@reddit
Fuck it, I’ve got time to waste and I’m actually genuinely curious… how exactly is it gonna be worse than the last four years?
Jtskiwtr@reddit
No tax on overtime means companies won’t have to pay overtime. There will be none to tax. Trump bragged that he hated paying any overtime to people working for him so he would just stiff them.
YaBoiAggroAndy@reddit
Yeah, he’s a politician and like any politician that shit sounded too good to be true so I didn’t believe it then and I don’t believe it now.
This is partly my problem with presidential candidates just SAYING they’re gonna do stuff, they don’t just have the power to just go in and start making policies like that. Many people don’t seem to understand that that’s not how it works.
Honestly, I’d say maybe it’s more just time to look into other options for driving. I did almost 10 years in automotive where my drive to and from the plant was like 5 miles, plus I was home everyday and hourly (which did include overtime and if we worked a 7th day of our week it was double time.) Now I’m paid a flat daily rate. Which is honestly the best. Don’t have to worry about breaking down or anything affecting my miles and thus my paycheck. It’s great. I would suggest maybe looking to get into a gig that just doesn’t pay by mileage since that’s kinda what it sounds like the main complaint here is.
And just as an aside, we should be coming together to fight for an end of mile-based pay. That shits so archaic and it just gives employers way too much power to fuck over employees they don’t like until they quit. We should be fighting for a new standard of at least hourly pay.
Sir_Uncle_Bill@reddit
There are trucking jobs that are hourly. I've had one for 2.5 years now. My state got rid of state income taxes on overtime last year. Seriously hoping this happens lol.
THEDarkSpartian@reddit
I get paid by the hour. Just gotta look for those jobs, they are out there.
notquitepro15@reddit
The thing is it won’t be “no tax on your earned overtime” it will be “we overhauled the overtime laws so that it’s accrued biweekly or monthly, so you can work 80 hours in one week and 20 the next and earn no OT (at best, if they don’t manage to remove OT protections altogether)”
exveelor@reddit
There is basically zero chance of them doing away with taxes on overtime.
Feel free to make me eat my words in however many years but for now, do not make career decisions on anything related to ostensible tax code changes.
Altruistic-Cable-489@reddit
If my company doesn’t change their no OT until 60 hours policy and the proposal gets through, I’m leaving the day of.
toxic_adventure@reddit
The one thing I hate about Trucking the most is that if you're paid hourly they don't have to pay you overtime. I don't understand why this still exists in the trucking industry.
Adventurous_Bag_1490@reddit
I drive a recycling truck and anything over 8 hrs is 1.5x, never knew it was possible to deny OT wtf
flatdecktrucker92@reddit
That's weird. In Canada even a trucker paid salary is entitled to overtime after 60 hours in a week
Complete-Area-6452@reddit
Federal trucking regulations predate and overrule overtime requirements.
Every company I've worked for pays overtime though
beastlike@reddit
My last company didn't pay overtime. So id just steal an insane amount of time napping and fucking off, we had an understanding.
flatdecktrucker92@reddit
I had to fight with my previous employer because they were dodging the overtime rules in Canada.
Necessary_Might1432@reddit
I get overtime after 8 in a day, 40 in a week. Idk bout yall getting shafted
Beekatiebee@reddit
Same here, but I’m Union.
If I work 4 days it’s OT after 10hr/day, if I work 5 days it’s OT after 8.
toxic_adventure@reddit
Some companies are different. I run Regional and leave the house Monday at 7:00 a.m. and I'm usually home by 5:00 on Friday and I gross around $2,000. Easy miles
GroundbreakingSir386@reddit
Needs to be banned. At least from an LTL standpoint my company pays overtime anything over 8 hours worked and we typically work 10 hours days so with new legislation this would be a really nice refresher to my paycheck.
Songgeek@reddit
If only we got over time. Imagine at least getting paid at least our miles plus half after 40 hours. Then again it all comes down to companies giving us loads. If we even had a chance at overtime you can bet your ass carriers wild lobby tf out of politicians to double down on a driver shortage and they'd give out cdls in quicker than they are now. Suddenly wed be working 40 hours a week 7 days away
BB5er@reddit
Do your homework and search out the niches. Theres good money to be made out here with hourly or base weekly pay. Even within the CPM world, there are very profitable dedicated runs. Not dedicated accounts, but dedicated runs. I haven’t been paid by the mile in years and I make more than Walmart drivers. And I only drive 60-65k miles per year.
Mister_Meenor@reddit
Why don't ppl just leave the US if they're unhappy. Make it easier on the rest of us 🤘
DocHenry66@reddit
There will never be no tax on overtime. Never in a hundred lifetimes
cCueBasE@reddit
Just go hourly. The no tax on overtime is actually huge. This will easily add hundreds of dollars to your check if you’re working 50+ hours.
jvt1976@reddit
I bet you think that youll have no income tax and we'll just rely on tariffs? You know trump just says words that come to him. Doesnt mean any of it will happen
cCueBasE@reddit
No. I don’t think that at all.
Look, I don’t care if you don’t personally like Donald Trump. I wouldn’t necessarily invite the guy to Thanksgiving dinner either. But right now, his policies are far better than anything that the current administration or Kamala Harris had to offer.
Turbulent-Pay1150@reddit
Try to believe that. Trump’s fairly transparent that his interest lie in big business, lack of employee rights or compensation, and whoever is yanking his chain this week. As a chaos guy he’s not necessarily the risk - it’s the people he surrounds himself with and Project 2025 is fairly well laid out and some of the authors are on his announced cabinet.
dick_wool@reddit
>Just go hourly. The no tax on overtime is actually huge. This will easily add hundreds of dollars to your check if you’re working 50+ hours.
Until companies catch on and reduce hourly rates so you're essentially working more for less pay.
Cardinal_350@reddit
Why would a company do that haha. No tax on overtime has absolutely no bearing on the company's bottom line.
dick_wool@reddit
If you don't pay taxes on overtime and end up taking home more money, companies might lower your regular pay to save money.
ie It might look like you're earning more, but you could actually just be working more hours for the same pay. Hope that makes sense.
cCueBasE@reddit
Let’s say you make $30/hr and work 55 hours a week.
Even if the company dropped your wage to $28/hr, you would still make more under Trumps no tax on OT proposal compared to the current system.
It’s not a perfect system, but for right now, it’s a good way to bring the blue collar income level up.
Also it’s more reason to find a union job. Most union contracts forbid wages ever decreasing.
ExplanationThen747@reddit
Also, most of the LTL home daily drivers have OT after 50 or 55 hours and you never really hit that. When you start waiting around trying to get your hours they catch on and fire people like they do at my job
cCueBasE@reddit
That a bad employer. The government can’t do anything to fix that. People need to just not work for those companies.
Filmfan7427@reddit
You do realize that he also wants to abolish OT completely right?
Crashy1620@reddit
The project 2025 plan says that it will change the hourly system from 40hr/wk to 160hr/mo. Meaning that you can be forced to work back to back 80 hour weeks, then have 2 weeks off, with no over time pay.
cCueBasE@reddit
The project 2025 is nonsense. Let’s not even bring that in this sub.
peffer32@reddit
"Something contradicts my worldview. Let's pretend it doesn't exist"
cCueBasE@reddit
I just said it was 900 pages long. How does that even remotely seem like it doesn’t exist?
peffer32@reddit
Oh. You're just a troll. Got it. Have fun.
cCueBasE@reddit
Interesting thought process you have.
peffer32@reddit
Yeah. It's called reality. Get some deprogramming and rejoin the real world.
cCueBasE@reddit
Have a blessed day.
peffer32@reddit
"Have a blessed day" from the guy with a profile picture of a person who had sex with a porn star when his wife was at home with his newborn son. Can't make this stuff up.
cCueBasE@reddit
What is the point that you’re trying to make?
Crashy1620@reddit
There are many facets of project 2025 that affect our daily lives, not just work related. You can ignore the source of many of Trumps agenda items if you choose, but you can’t credibly say it’s nonsense. And no I have not read every single page of the 900+ page document. However it easily searched for items that I consider important.
cCueBasE@reddit
You can also google search the Earth being flat and you will find plenty of well written articles that could lead you to believe that the Earth is flat.
However, most of us know that the Earth is not flat.
But it is what it is. Obviously, you are free to believe what you wanna believe. Personally, I am not well-versed enough on the topic to discuss it in detail. Not sure why it was brought up here in the first place.
Crashy1620@reddit
I’m not sure why you would want to conflate the 2 issues of flat-earthers and project 2025 other than to try to dismiss the document itself. You can choose not to believe that trump has any affiliation with the project or not. The association with the authors and creators of it are not deniable, other than by a choice to not believe reality.
Project 2025 was brought up because of the overtime laws-policies -regulations are being discussed and that was put into a political context by another commenter.
Likelybuzzed1@reddit
How many cabinet appointments has he made so far that helped author parts of Project 2025?
cCueBasE@reddit
Project 2025 is about 900 pages long. Have you read it?
Likelybuzzed1@reddit
No. I'm a trucker, but I commend you on getting through all 900 pages and being able to discern what is nonsense and what isn't.
I was just asking because you said it was nonsense. If he's appointing the people who wrote it, it would seems SOMEWHAT sensible that their vision is taking place. I keep seeing articles pop up that he is appointing these people who he claimed he had no idea who they were getting these cabinet appointments.
Likelybuzzed1@reddit
No. I'm a trucker, but I commend you on getting through all 900 pages and being able to discern what is nonsense and what isn't.
I was just asking because you said it was nonsense. If he's appointing the people who wrote it, it would seems SOMEWHAT sensible that their vision is taking place. I keep seeing articles pop up that he is appointing these people who he claimed he had no idea who they were getting these cabinet appointments.
cCueBasE@reddit
I mean………..that’s just not true.
OrangeYoshiDude@reddit
Yeah, not enough to know.
Maybe its over 40 hours, they got to he aware of the tax laws on freight. Lots of truckers are trumpers, its a big base. Lots of trucking companies voluntarily pay OT and this may be a way for them to get to promote it more because its possible the companies wont pay the extra taxes on their payroll too.
If I understood all this stuff I'd work be a tax code worker, but I'm just a truck driver. Its way to complex to just think its going to be a black and white blanket that covers everything
ExistentialFread@reddit
Lol have you not read what the policy actually is?
Visual-Ad-6396@reddit
Shit at ups were getting 70 something an hour after 8 hours a day I fucking hope that shit goes through
LegitimateImpress336@reddit
Oilfield trucking is mostly hourly and I can't fucn wait to not get taxed on all my overtime!!! Avg 110-140hrs every 12 day shift...
funshinecd@reddit
np tax on overtime because no overtime. See how that works. It is written that he wants overtime pay after like 160 hours a month. Real OT starts after 8 hours in a day, or on Sat or Sunday, even if you did not work all week.
Born-Onion-8561@reddit
that’s more on a company by company basis for instance nurses work 12 hour shifts and they’re not doing eight straight and 4 ot every shift
rugerscout308@reddit
I get hourly, anything after 8 is ot. Local driver
Super1297Man@reddit
This is like all the people who thought they weren’t going to have to pay their student loan debt with Biden.
DaRealMexicanTrucker@reddit
Well, they also want to change to a 160hr work month. Where you will not begin to generare OT until you hit 161hrs.
speedybilly10@reddit
This needs to be higher up people didn’t read Project 2025.
Mr_bungle001@reddit
If the people who voted for that clown could read they’d very upset right now
Comfortable-Mix-873@reddit
On another note, does anyone think Transportation will get better for drivers under Trump?
Will we get professional pay and have the White House step in from the fags who keep wanting to bend drivers over financially?
justdan76@reddit
Lol no.
If Wall St surges because it thinks Trump is good for them, then orders may go up and we may he busier. Otherwise no, I don’t expect anything positive for labor from the people coming in in January.
OkArm8591@reddit
We are going to a 160hr work month instead of 40hr a week you work 50 one week 50 next week than 30 next and other 30 next week than those 20 of overtime vanish that's what trump wants you big dummies
Competitive-Face8952@reddit
Good time to be an hourly truck driver here 😎
Airstrikeayers@reddit
Trump is a man of his word /s
Fokazz@reddit
Even if he is a man of his word it's not within the authority of the President to do that. Congress would have to make that change and even then it would only impact Federal taxes, the state tax rules would be unchanged unless Congress also did something to change how states can set taxes, but that would likely require a Constitutional amendment.
YellowOne5358@reddit
alabama already untaxed overtime at state level
Onthecrosshairs@reddit
but have they changed the definition of what OT is?????
YellowOne5358@reddit
nope thats liberal lies
GroundbreakingSir386@reddit
Is Congress the same one profiting off the Ukraine war buying military options and stocks? My Nancy pelosi insider trades have been doing so well. I beat the market at least 200%
Zeon_Pilot83@reddit
El Jefe tells me what I wanna hear.
NJPokerJ@reddit
Nope. I get hourly pay. I'll wait till I see it before I believe it though
unregrettful@reddit
Where I'm at alot of drivers hauling for the oil field are being paid by the hour. Not all, but a good amount.
DonaldKey@reddit
Because Trump has never lied…….
Dense_Particular3134@reddit
And never ever screwed his workers
Dm-me-a-gyro@reddit
Or tradesmen!
Onthecrosshairs@reddit
Sounds like tRump needs some of P Daddy's petroleum jelly.
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that.
Rudyscrazy1@reddit
More and more companies are switching to hourly. I can't see why anyone would accept a CPM job. Between cameras, e logs, and governed trucks, the companies we work for know exactly what they are getting. We dont. CPM is an outdated industry standard that only serves to negate risk on companies. If you run your clock out and aren't averaging 30+ running OTR, you are out of your mind. (I genuinely have no idea what OTR guys average when they figure it)
Dm-me-a-gyro@reddit
I’m super sure this will pass right infrastructure week.
Y’all got grifted by the grifter king. Bout to find out.
vault151@reddit
They really think he’s going to give tax breaks to anyone but the ultra wealthy and huge corporations.
He already got your vote, that’s all he needed. Now he won’t give a fuck about you.
zipperknees420@reddit
You’ve got a better chance of seeing Jesus than Donald Trump delivering on this or many other promises he pulled out of his ass to appease his base. Mexico is going to send that check for the wall any day now…
cm2460@reddit
Same thing I told the giddy bunch of drivers in the office the day after the election when they asked me if I was excited
“Oh I’m not dumb enough to believe anything he says”
P3asantGamer@reddit
Get a local job that pays overtime
SuchTax1991@reddit
Yes, I want to pursue law enforcement. I’ve wanted to get out of this field for some time now.
YungSandy@reddit
No tax on OT in AL for hourly. Some places will accept class A and only require class B. Had an offer in January for $20/hr running electrical parts around my city full time plus extra hours as needed
Miserable-Bridge-729@reddit
It’s not as big a thing as people may think. Good for those who get overtime but if you work 60 hours through multiple jobs you don’t have overtime. Since the ACA, lots of businesses already reduced the amount of hours people receive so as to not have to pay benefits. If you are exempt from overtime rules then you don’t get overtime. These would include groups such as salaried and many contract workers. Workers paid per diem or by the piece. And certainly all those workers working gig jobs wouldn’t get it. The groups likely to benefit the most would be union groups with specific overtime rules that have been baked into their contracts.
SmooveKJ@reddit
Don’t be a doofus. Overtime is going to be hella regulated now. YOU won’t pay tax on it but your Employer WILL.
daemonescanem@reddit
Sure, they are talking about no tax on OT, but Project 2025 wants to remove provisions for OT pay. So it's a bait & switch.
Project 2025 is proposing a 160-hour monthly work schedule. So employers could force you to work 70 hrs one week and not pay OT, then 10 hrs the next week. Then repeat the same schedule again. Thus, they would be within the 160 hr limit. Essentially, you'd be a full-time employee two weeks a month for straight time pay.
Plus, Project 2025 is going to attack union rights, and it is seeking to give companies ways of breaking contracts.
Don't fall for the coming regime lies. Any new laws on labor will not be favorable to workers.
Ton_in_the_Sun@reddit
Boy you can’t even say Trump MAY not do something without getting them boys riled up
celtics1up@reddit
Hey. So do you remember the wall red herring? Just think of this as the opposite message with the same net outcome.
just_me1969@reddit
You realize the reason there won't be tax on overtime is because there will no longer be overtime. It's gonna be straight time all the time. People gotta start reading the fine print.
tidyshark12@reddit
No, no. You seem to be misunderstanding his proposal here. You see, the income tax you owe is an ever present number. However, it will not be removed from your paycheck.
It will still all be due on April 15, ofc.
And trumps plan is to raise taxes for the people who make less than 600k/yr. So, you will actually owe more in taxes than ever before.
Mountainear99@reddit
For one an hourly trucking job exists. Just get out of the OTR bubble. Secondly if and when it actually happens, it doesn’t mean you and everyone else will get overtime.
trabv@reddit
I see things thrown out like 160 hours in 4 weeks or whatever.
Im a truck driver, I'm used to putting in 70+ hours a week as is when OTR. Hel yeah, let me work two weeks busting my ass for 140 then 20 hours on the third and have every 4th week off. Sounds good to me.
buzzmandt@reddit
It also says companies can get rid of overtime pay. Just sayin
ForcesEqualZero@reddit
No tax on overtime, because there won't be overtime anymore 🤪
DenseCommunication82@reddit
No tax on overtime, because there won't be overtime "pay" anymore. Believe me, there will still be overtime to work.
RedlineM5@reddit
Lol you think there will be OT. Trump himself said he would rather hire others than pay OT. It means nothing.
hugothebear@reddit
No tax on overtime is probably more geared to your employer not paying fica on overtime, overall screwing us all over and making it sound nice
I-xan-not-remeber2@reddit
Or just work for an hourly company.
Shoo-Man-Fu@reddit
Yeah, sure, they will just make it so companies don't have to pay overtime. Base pay and 100 hours a week, boys. They don't give a shit about you, and would shoot you in the street if it made the stock price go up.
SignatureNo5302@reddit
How would this influence you at all?? You thinking you can make more at Wendy's? Lol
Educational_Tea7782@reddit
It's what you voted for. Get used to getting your pussy grabbed.
Conscious_Weasel@reddit
Truckers in generally don’t qualify for OT to begin with. Even hourly employees. It’s up to the company if they want to pay OT. You can thank “The Motor Carrier Act of 1935”. OOIDA is trying to get a bill passed to fix it but it hasnt gotten much traction from what I see.
livinglavidaloca82@reddit
If I’m not getting paid ot I’m working 40 and going home. Peace out
Rikishi6six9nine@reddit
Not a chance in hell that ever goes through🤣 more likely trump will fight to get rid of over time then to pass any overtime tax exemption.
TylerYax@reddit
Fucking lol
firewall2604@reddit
Shit as a log trucker I work 60-70 hours a week. Hello paying off the wife’s minivan early af
GroundbreakingSir386@reddit
I got into trucking because of overtime. Friend of mine works for a LTL company and they pay hourly. After one year I will be on max pay at $38 an hour Right now I am at $29 an hour and getting 10 hours of overtime every week minimum. Just find a trucking outfit that pays hourly. I think a lot of companies like JB Hunt will probably do some restructuring based on new legislation. I highly recommend ABF freight or XPO and driving for a local LTL company in a major city.
SquarePhoto1869@reddit
This
Just leave OTR. Let someone else deal with it and enjoy your life. When the Fedex guy makes more than you and is home every night you gotta question it
(Enough people do, and they will HAVE to solve the problem but local drivers already have for themselves and don't have to care)
GroundbreakingSir386@reddit
Hopefully Trump changes a lot with how hourly and none hourly employees get paid. We are all contributing to social Security and yet hear that there will never be enough for everybody. Government just keeps spending and spending and it's getting out of control we need people like Elon musk to come into government and fix corruption of the money printing going brrrr
GroundbreakingSir386@reddit
Yes! Agreed 💯 working over the road is so difficult financially unless you're making over six figures you're spending that just on gas station food. And then you just getting fat. I go to the gym everyday I go home everyday I can relax. In the winter my station even closes so I don't have to use chains and I just stay home and go to the gym then I work a lot of overtime in the summer which always makes up for the lost days in the winter. Unless you are doing car hauling or something that pays extremely well to go over the road I wouldn't do it. A lot of LTL companies will actually use you as a line haul driver and pay you pretty good cent per mile + hourly and your still home everyday. I would never work over the road unless I was making above $5,500+ month. It's just not worth it. A lot of guys though from my CDL school were from prison and had nothing really to do other than work so it was better for them to earn their CDL and they got their CDL for free from the government after asking companies like Schneider and swift for a job then took a letter to the employment office saying that they could have a job with a big trucking outfit if they get their CDL and then the government actually pays for your CDL.
SawGoodMang@reddit
It’s already been pushed and no chance it’s ever going to happen. Also the orange man loves to break promises.
Bo1622@reddit
If anything don’t be surprised if they eliminate OT pay and make everything strait pay. Maybe I’m just a skeptic but I don’t trust a bankrupt game show host
constrman42@reddit
Trump is a bullshit artist and a pathetic pathological lying piece of garbage. He can't just make a law to not tax overtime. If it was that easy. Presidents decades ago would have done it. Stop believing him.
GroundbreakingSir386@reddit
I guess we'll just have to wait and see. 😄
VoiceIll7545@reddit
That would be amazing. I make 32.25 with overtime after 40. I get 50-55 hours a week. So no tax on all that overtime would be good for me.
GroundbreakingSir386@reddit
Same!
beefbytes77@reddit
Project 2025 calls for elimination of all overtime pay. That’s why you won’t pay taxes on it…it won’t exist. Overtime will just be regular pay WITH taxes taken out.
Ok-Tea6843@reddit
Get into road construction not only do you get decent pay but damn good overtime
butchengland@reddit
Just find a delivery type of job that pays hourly and rake in that overtime.
ValuableShoulder5059@reddit
He's also talked about trying to get rid of income tax too... The other thing you have to realize if it goes as such, many companies that pay over minimum wage will be switching to hourly with loads of overtime pay if possible. For us that means take your pay right now, assume you will get your 70 hours per week, so about 42% of your pay will be tax free, for about 10% more then you make right now and it doesn't cost the company anything.
DumatRising@reddit
No tax on overtime isn't gonna benefit the working class. If IF a law to that effect is passed, I guarantee that it will come hand bundled with some kind of rider that makes it basically worthless. Maybe changing the rules so OT is after an implausible amount of hours, maybe reducing the rate of OT so that workers effectively get the same amount or maybe even less but employers pay less. Either way no tax on OT might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard so I really hope he doesn't.
Plus, you're in the career for a reason, those reasons aren't going to change. Any job this change would bump up to above us in pay you 100% would be doing right now if you could even without the hypothetical OT change...
ikillsheep4u@reddit
100% any net tax payer is getting a major boost
Useful_Badger6021@reddit
I get paid hourly, I'm on ot by Wednesday night
BoostedLexus@reddit
Lmao... A Trump appointed federal judge, Sean Jordan, just blocked OT pay for Texans and they'll be referred back to pre Biden era pay. Meaning they won't be paid OT, they'll work the same hours and they'll go from $44k, and next year it would've been $53k, but it'll be back to $35k the same pay in 2019 during trumps first term when he passed it.
He lied to you guys...
dances_with_fentanyl@reddit
Project 2025 is just Qanon for libs.
Redsoxdragon@reddit
Bro a lot of people on this sub are local. If anything this is a great opportunity for you guys to get off otr and make 🅱️read
MetsPenguin@reddit
Another variable not mentioned is how “overtime” will be defined for purposes of taxation. Laws can be rewritten. Overtime for purposes of taxation may be defined as over 55 hours a week. The IRS can create their own definition of overtime for tax purposes that differs from employment law or the Feds can change both the tax and employment statutes. Never trust the Government to give you back a huge chunk of your money unless you have “hire a lobbyist type of money.”
SpankingGT@reddit
Did yall not see what a Judge in TX did? This will follow suit on Overtime.
davidcornz@reddit
Well most won’t qualify cause they are 1099 as well lol
Baconated-Coffee@reddit
No tax on overtime would be great. A few weeks ago I had a 74 hour week but only 24 hours were straight time, the rest were overtime. Union CDL job with my local IUOE.
Nozerone@reddit
Wait it out. It may happen, it may not. Candidates always make a lot of promises during their campaign, many of which will never see the light of day. Save up some money, and wait and see what happens. No point in making a big decision like that because of something that may not even happen.