Putin approves changes to Russia's nuclear doctrine
Posted by Logical-Race8871@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 308 comments
Posted by Logical-Race8871@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 308 comments
Aromatic_Physics_559@reddit
I think people tend to brush this off because they don't really understand how an escalation to the nuclear level would play out in reality. The NYT article from a couple days ago confirms that people in the pentagon have serious concerns but the Reddit generals must know better.
TrueBrush3287@reddit
could you send that article?
FireHamilton@reddit
They had serious concerns since the beginning, that’s their job.
livlaffluv420@reddit
The irony of you demonstrating the exact point the poster you’re replying to was trying to raise tho 😝
JASHIKO_@reddit
Nothing will come of it.
They know that nukes flying out of Russia is an invite for just as many to come flying in.
Steven_Seagull815@reddit
I wouldn't poke the bear too much. These people are insane and they will just sit quietly in their bunkers. The only thing they need is for one of them to go: "Well, we can always rebuild, lol" and they'll push the red button.
Tearakan@reddit
Yep. And Putin wants to rule over an empire. He doesn't want to have his legacy be the guy who doomed humanity to extinction.
deepdivisions@reddit
I don't think this should be controversial, but if Biden had done 10% of what Putin has done for his country's people, he would be celebrating an election win.
Biden has been garbage on both foreign and domestic policy.
mooky1977@reddit
Unless, and hear me out, he's collapse aware and psychotic and wants to do the bandaid off because he knows he can bunker up and then rule over the ashes of a diminished population and world. Dictators generally don't care about the plight of the people they rule over just the number of them and the power over them.
It's not a good theory, but a theory nevertheless.
Tearakan@reddit
Eh, yeah he doesn't care about people in general but he clearly cares about ruling over Russia. He could've just left power decades ago if he didn't.
If he was psychotic he would've nuked everything a while ago. Especially before gutting his own military in Ukraine. Hard to rule over ashes if your military can't make it into bunkers.
mooky1977@reddit
In a way he's weeded a lot of the corruption in the military, not all obviously but a lot. And though a lot are just canon fodder, I'm going to assume he now has a fair number of battle hardened troops with solid combat experience and experienced loyal generals by playing favourites and supplies his favourites with what they need. 🤷♂️
As for nuking things earlier. That doesn't necessarily mean that. Psychotic people never play but the expected norms.
Tearakan@reddit
Naw he lost his best troops early in Ukraine. He thought they'd just steam roll Ukraine kinda how the US just blows through nations in the middle east that it invaded. Sure the US occupations never succeeded but the initial attacks did.
He is caught in the dictatorship trap. He's killed so many members of his government and gotten rid of rivals for power that now he only has sycophants around him. All telling him a distorted view of reality.
Trump is already headed down that path too for his second term. It's why I think economic collapse is gonna happen then when he rips out the administrative state that keeps the US stable regime to regime.
Guilty-Deer-2147@reddit
That doesn't make any sense. The Russian army of 2024 is far more experienced in modern warfare (drones, EW, mobile warfare) than the Russian army of 2022. They had and still have the ability to rotate troops since they have manpower reserves while Ukraine does not.
mooky1977@reddit
I'd argue a lot of his "best troops" early were on paper. Did he lose some "good" ones? She yes, especially in the assault on Kyiv, but combat like they've endured in Ukraine will toughen the F out of the newer recruits as well nearly as fast as years of drilling and training.
In the end it's a bad theory about why he's doing what he doing. He's probably just playing poker and bluffing, but even a bluffer is called sometimes and has to show their cards.
Logical-Race8871@reddit (OP)
I don't think it's accelerationism so much, but I do think he's collapse aware in that he's lived through it already, and Russia has very limited time to gain ground and resources before the next one.
He is an expansionist for egomaniacal and nationalist reasons, but he's also quite smart and doing it for "practical" reasons as well. Russia's economy and food supply looks to be completely fucked by climate change in one way or another.
Ukraine has always been a chess piece for empires because of its fields. For like a thousand years.
mooky1977@reddit
That is true. The breadbasket of Europe.
Soggy_Ad7165@reddit
I mean. Until something comes of it.
I don't know why everyone thinks that a nuclear power isn't beyond the law. Of course it is. The international law only exists because of nuclear weapons and it's worth not much for a nuclear power itself.
The only thing holds back Putin from bombing Kiev is that China would hate that. It's not like he cares about Kiev. The game of risk can be played from both sides. And we are just betting on China not agreeing with a "warning shot" somewhere in the Ukraine.
Just because nothing came out of it for three years doesn't mean at all that nothing comes out of it next year.
6rwoods@reddit
I agree with you overall, but just want to point out that Putin probably does care about the land in Ukraine being at least mostly in tact. It's likely that one of his reasons for wanting Ukraine is that it's a major agriculture hub in the area (one of the world's major "breadbaskets"), and Russia might be big but a lot of its land is not very productive. Additionally, wth Russian population diving off a cliff's edge, the added Ukrainian population (in the most agriculturally viable area nearby) would be at least a temporary boost to Russia's numbers. So I do think Putin has good motivation to try to preserve as much of Ukraine as he can, and particularly the agricultural land even if not all of the infrastructure in major cities.
That said, I do think the most likely way Putin would consider going nuclear is by dropping a smallish nuke somewhere in Ukraine. That way the damage is minimised but it sends a very clear signal to the world that he's willing to do something like this.
The other alternative is to drop a bomb somewhere else in Europe, or the US itself, but both these scenarios would lead to massive escalation and I don't think even Putin is willing to do that.
The last option is bombing some other strategic area, likely where a "east-west" conflict is already taking place, but where the West is less likely to escalate to all out nuclear war. Probably in the Middle East, where Iran and Israel are already at each other's throats.
Soggy_Ad7165@reddit
Initially yes. Not anymore. Not at all. They purposely risked a melt down of the largest nuclear plant in europe. He is insane and he will do anything.
I already quoted Fiona Hill in this thread because it fits so perfectly:
This was 2022. Fiona Hill is btw the person who is most likely the biggest reason Ukraine still exists as a state as she was responsible for massively upgrading the Ukraine military between 2016-2020 under Trump. And she also thinks that Trump is of course insane.
I really hope you are right and that Putin is still a rational actor on some deep level. It would be the best for our world. I just don't believe in that anymore.
6rwoods@reddit
That is indeed terrifying to consider. Frankly, why is no one shooting down the man's plane when he leaves the G20 meeting or something? One strike to end it all, and then the rest of the Russian govt will be too busy running around like headless chickens to put up much of a fight. Instead we keeping ceeding ground to more and more Russian violence and insanity, all while their puppets infiltrate the US to make disrupt any potential Nato response. F*ck Putin, but also f*ck all of the West for being so useless against him.
imreloadin@reddit
I mean nothing will definitely come out of it next year as Trump is just going to hand Ukraine to Putin lmao.
PierreFeuilleSage@reddit
I see this parroted but i doubt it. His anti-intervention rhetoric was proven wrong in his first term. He delivered lethal military equipment to Ukraine when it was a red line Obama didn't want to cross. He called for other NATO members to increase their military spending. He backed US imperialistic MIC interests all over the world, for whom forever wars are the goal.
jbiserkov@reddit
He also assassinated Soleimani https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Qasem_Soleimani
Mandelvolt@reddit
I really thought that was going to be the start of ww3, but then Kobe crashed in a helicopter and there was a global pandemic. History is strange.
jbiserkov@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Varzaqan_helicopter_crash
mrblahblahblah@reddit
didn't congress have to force his hand with veto proof numbers?
Soggy_Ad7165@reddit
I wouldn't be so sure about that. All Trump does is add a lot of uncertainty. And that's not reassuring. And it's also the reason why the answer to the question "does Putin wants to have Trump as president" could be clearly answered. Even on Ukraine side there were some voice for Trump.
And asi said, the simple reason that the only thing that he already does by his pure presence is to shake up things and probably will add a ton of chaos.
I, for my part, am not happy about Trumps election because of that. The thing that this whole situation didn't need is more uncertainty.
Eatpineapplenow@reddit
hm. Until now I always took for granted that a Trump would just do what Putin says, thus moving us(temporally) away from Nukes flying.
Are you saying he could have an interest to keep supporting Ukraine?
Soggy_Ad7165@reddit
How the fuck do I know? This guy is insane.
However the argument that was made by some that sounded kind of reasonable is that Trump is a narcisistic asshole with a god complex. Those guys haaaaate to loose. And maybe by some chance he will get into a position in which it looks like he looses against russia. In that case he just might further escalate.... Whatever the fuck that would mean.
After all, it was Trumps administration that upgraded the Ukraine military between 2016-2020 MASSIVELY. This was probably due to Fiona Hill who was the presidential advisor at the time. She isn't exactly known as a russian supporter...And she is pretty knowledgable. Thats what I mean with super random movements on Trumps side. Sometimes they are by pure chance pretty possitive.
Oh and about that Fiona Hill. She compared both Trump and Putin and about Putin she said:
Just to underlie my point about the "certainty" we have in a "rational" Putin. Its insane to think that he still reacts rational. And what Trump does to this is adding another absolutely not rational actor on the other side. Amazing times!
Eatpineapplenow@reddit
Thank you for taking your time to write this. Got smarter!
I never thought of Putin as rational - I was always in the camp that felt he will go nuclear if pressured.
mikemaca@reddit
Putin won't hit Ukraine at all in this scenario. It is next to Russia and after taking out NATO Ukraine has zero financial or weapons support. Ukraine simply becomes part of Russia after Europe and the US are leveled.
Soggy_Ad7165@reddit
What do you mean? Russia takes out NATO? Now that's pretty far stretched. It's called MAD for a reason
trumptrain-2020@reddit
They can launch nuclear warheads to literally wipe out the entire US in less than 30 minutes if launched from Russia. That’s not counting if they have nuclear submarines surface on our coasts, it could be minutes. Most NATO targets in even less time. They currently hold the most warheads at almost 6000. They could effectively wipe out any competition in less than 30 minutes.
ec1710@reddit
If they are backed into a corner, with no other options, they would launch nukes no doubt.
zapembarcodes@reddit
Historically, Russia has never lost when backed into a corner.
This will end badly.
angle58@reddit
Ukraine doesn't want to conquer Russia, it just wants Russia - the aggressor - out of it's territory and to stop killing it's people. Pretty fundamental right to take whatever means necessary to make it clear that's not okay. I'd hardly call that "backed into a corner." Russia can't be backed into a corner here, there is no corner, only them losing what they have stolen and are actively stealing from someone else.
ExistentDavid1138@reddit
Most likely if it was a matter of survival and Russia was in danger of being conquered or falling I assume they would nuke Ukraine.
jbiserkov@reddit
Russia keeps saying that if the U.S. of A hits it, it will hit the U.S. of A.
Why does everybody keep saying Russia will nuke Ukraine?!?
It's right next to Russia, with prevailing winds blowing from west to east, towards Russia.
Make it make sense.
6rwoods@reddit
It's a threat to the US for sure, but I doubt Putin would actually go through with it. Attacking the US directly means all out nuclear war with the world's greatest power. Attacking Ukraine while it's already at war with Russia is more localised, it still sends a message, but also the West's response would invariably be less aggressive.
Eatpineapplenow@reddit
Its because you are talking about strategic. They are talking about tactical bombs(very small). I presume
truth-informant@reddit
The day MAD goes out the window... mercy on us all.
herpderption@reddit
I can't nail down which we're getting first: The Day After or The Day After Tomorrow.
Laringar@reddit
I think we're making a strong case for Dr Strangelove.
Logical-Race8871@reddit (OP)
More than you could ever know. RFK Jr thinks the communists are putting fluoride in the water.
Fickle_Stills@reddit
I wonder if we can get the GOP to suddenly love fluoride by reminding them that Portland, Oregon has continually rejected fluoridating water for decades.
itsasnowconemachine@reddit
General Jack D. Ripper : Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face. .. Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream!"
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake : [very nervous] Lord, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper : You know when fluoridation first began?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake : I... no, no. I don't, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper : Nineteen hundred and forty-six. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake : Uh, Jack, Jack, listen... tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?
General Jack D. Ripper : [somewhat embarassed] Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake : Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper : Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake : Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper : I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake : No.
General Jack D. Ripper : But I... I do deny them my essence.
MistyMtn421@reddit
I still can't believe they made us watch The Day After when I was little. That movie fucked me up. I was 10.
herpderption@reddit
I just rewatched it the other night and had the exact same thought. That blurb at the end didn't help...hoping that terrifying the people least in charge would somehow mean jack shit to the one's threatening nuclear armageddon. At best that movie was a gross miscalculation, at worst it was the most cynical kind of disaster porn.
That all being said I was impressed by the mushroom cloud effect and for what it was I think it still holds up decently well.
truth-informant@reddit
The asking of that question scares me.
Tygenii@reddit
I think he's referring to the collapse of the AMOC
Top_Hair_8984@reddit
The magazine?? Certainly can't be correct, what's MAD?
kylerae@reddit
MAD stands for mutually assured destruction. It is a big reason nuclear war hasn’t happened. If one nation shoots off their nukes they will be returned and then it will be all out nuclear war.
zedroj@reddit
there is no war, just everyone dies
SnideJaden@reddit
The lucky ones die from the bombs.
itsasnowconemachine@reddit
Nitpick: The lucky ones are incinerated instantly or at least quickly from the initial effects of the bombs.
zedroj@reddit
being right in the center, very true, I wish for myself that kind of luck if I need it
I_Smell_A_Rat666@reddit
As visualized by that scene in *WarGames* (1983).
Inside-Palpitation25@reddit
I am reading about this right now, and it's some scary shit, and the fact we will have a complete idiot for president in Jan, man, we are in some deep trouble.
Top_Hair_8984@reddit
Thank you.
Logical-Race8871@reddit (OP)
Oh we're completely fucked.
boop_gotcha_nose@reddit
Considering that we're talking about Russia, that is an ... interesting choice of words 😂
Any_Fault_2404@reddit
And who has more to lose from a MAD? Russia already won the war before it even begun. Only ret*rds from anti russia pro west faction don't see this senario happening and kept cheering for more ukrainian deaths. Once the first nuke starts flying out you can bet my life that all western countries that youre so proud of will all of a sudden want peace with russia
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IsuzuTrooper@reddit
Not with lapdog Chump at the helm. The US will not retaliate
ItzMcShagNasty@reddit
If Trump vows to not respond to "Isolated attacks from a very persecuted country desperately trying to defend itself" then yes, they will nuke Kiev, or one of the other primary targets within Ukraine to cripple the remainder of their military forces and try and procure a surrender. Trump is a Russian asset. The whole deal is he will end all aid to Ukraine and allow them to seize it and other eastern european countries. Ukraine will be used as an example, and then the threat will be given to any non nuclearized counties in the region. Surrender or your capital will be nuked. Moscow will be your country's capital next.
There has been a massive movement of military strategists in both the U.S. government and Russia to promote the idea that a tac nuke can be used without MAD being invoked.
As unlikely as I would hope and one less informed might expect, yes, it's very likely that a puppet government here will cause "tactical" nuclear deployment to be normalized.
AHRA1225@reddit
Like Putin cares. The world ending would be him winning in his book
mclimax@reddit
You know you are actually thinking what Putin wantsyou to think?
Eatpineapplenow@reddit
that dosent mean its wrong
AHRA1225@reddit
Bruh him or climate or water wars or food wars. Pick one…..
ifcknkl@reddit
Fearmongering
AHRA1225@reddit
Bruh him saying increasing and threatening nukes for the 100th time is fearmongering
Drawing_Block@reddit
Also I’m realizing this is a genius move on the part of the administration. Russia won’t do anything too crazy when their puppets will be installed in two months. Biden can do whatever he wants
worldestroyer@reddit
I mean, if Trump is in the white house and refuses to respond to a nuclear attack on NATO, Putin would, in essence, have complete domination over Europe. In the end the orange man has the football. And he'll flaunt it like he's saved the world from nuclear Armageddon, which technically he might have, but MAD only works if everyone believes the others are trying to win that game of chicken, so in essence, by being complicit with Russia, he would've actually facilitated it in the first place.
The UK has withdrawn from the EU, and whole still a NATO country, become more isolated due to Brexit. Then you have Marine LePenn in France, pretty close to the presidency. Neither of which have the full nuclear triad, but do have subs.
Europe has over relied on the US in the name of anti nuclear proliferation, for better or worse, and in this case, worse.
Beneficial-Strain366@reddit
France and Great Britain both have enough nukes to obliterate Russia if the USA doesn't respond they certainly will.
PierreFeuilleSage@reddit
Le Pen is getting an ineligibility sentence as we speak for embezzling EU funds. The left has won the legislative elections even if Macron pulled a soft coup to keep his grip on power. UK not being in the EU doesn't mean they're not in NATO, or part of Europe. France has nuclear subs and A LOT of nuclear warheads. Trump called for more military spending by NATO members on his first term. The idea that the two-sides of the one party system in the US are much different when it comes to foreign policy is ridiculous. It's imperialistic neocons on both sides, ones that are in the MIC pocket and for whom US wars, instability and interventionism is profitable. Trump is not the anti-interventionist he claims to be, i thought his first term would have made it clear to everyone, he even sent Ukraine lethal weapons when Obama didn't want to cross that line.
willisjs@reddit
Nuclear submarines alone are enough to end human civilization.
worldestroyer@reddit
Totally fair, but there's a reason you want the tirad typically. Who knows what kind of ASW-tech or jamming tech Russia might have or has been able to procure. You're right though, but it doesn't preclude that England and France might not be on the level due to internal political circumstances that Russia has been edging over the past 10 years.
mikemaca@reddit
Hits on silos and naval bases and nuclear armories will come from subs not ICBMs and there won't be enough time to respond. This will leave the US's subs as the only ones able to respond, and not in place to do so meaningfully given range issues. US leadership with the launch codes will be unable to communicate with them. Guam, DG and a couple other places will also be taken out by Russian subs during the first move, destroying most of the US sub fleet. The only responders will be deployed subs which will have one volley. Which will do much more limited damage than the US has. In the meantime the second move will be to launch from the ICBM sites in Russia. They have stated all collaborators, including all NATO signatories, are targeted.
T17171717@reddit
But this is a threat of nuclear war. Or, as Putin now refers to it, a “Tuesday.”
YeaTired@reddit
Once trump is sitting behind ours I'm quite sure he will watch idly by while nato eats it. If putin uses icbm's I'm sure our compromised officials already know what's coming.
dgradius@reddit
And for Kim Jong Un, right before lunchtime
Sweaty_Zone_8712@reddit
you think west will nuke russia after russia nukes ukraine?
redditmodsRrussians@reddit
If it’s one thing my time in the never ending shitshow has taught me, it’s that war….war never changes.
Taqueria_Style@reddit
Yeah this is all just mommy and daddy are fighting man. In the side of the United States he did this shit so that Trump couldn't just waltz in there and hang Ukraine to the Russians. Typical tactic, it's like you just fucked up the foreign policy but right before the new guy came in. So okay cool that's like whatever and then the Russian thing is just for internal consumption. It's all bullshit. I know I would previously have been shitting potatoes over this but like at this point if anybody was going to in this war they would have already.
JewelerPowerful2993@reddit
We joke about Russia's last warning. But it just takes one missile to start a cascade of bullshit our grandchildren will study and remember with ashen faces.
Annatastic6417@reddit
We won't have any grandchildren if nuclear war breaks out.
SlyestTrash@reddit
How would New Zealand or Patagonia be safe? All out nuclear war would carry radiation allover the globe wouldn't it? Not to mention the thousands of nuclear power plants either melting down or being blown up.
finndego@reddit
What is taken into consideration is that most targets for nuclear weapons are in the northern hemisphere and because of the Coriolis effect trade winds don't tend to cross the equator. Nuclear fallout would be limited to mainly the northern hemisphere. There is more to it but that's why they say that.
SlyestTrash@reddit
Guess I'm moving to New Zealand
livlaffluv420@reddit
Tbf your point about nuclear facilities around the world simultaneously experiencing uncontrolled meltdown is honestly probably the bigger concern over the thermonuclear exchanges themselves.
You better have a well stocked bunker or know where to find one…
zapembarcodes@reddit
maybe
Those places will be destroyed too by whatever is left of competing nations.
SilentNinjaMick@reddit
I live in NZ but have plans to visit Europe next year :( please no nukes until after July/August 2025 Mr. PutinMcCuntyFace
infant-@reddit
It's funny that everyone thinks Putin is some pushover that won't eventually do what his war doctrine says he has to do.
I guess, whatever, why bother to take him seriously, shrug.
Grindelbart@reddit
Shouldn't have forced children into this shit show in the first place.
digdog303@reddit
yep!! not my grandchildren!
Chirotera@reddit
Can we stop trying to speedrun all the apocalypse scenarios at the same time, please? Between climate hell, H5N1, WWIII, nuclear war, and the wave of right wing populism gripping the world, it's getting hard to keep my bingo cards straight.
Specialist_Brain841@reddit
you forgot AI images of women with 3 breasts on instagram
Velvet-Drive@reddit
Link pls.
Velvet-Drive@reddit
Wtf, is anyone still playing bingo. This has clearly become a Yahtzee situation.
Grand-Page-1180@reddit
I think we're playing Jenga with shards of glass.
PrimalSaturn@reddit
This is what collapse is, everything collapsing all at once.
TanteJu5@reddit
You're exaggerating, especially with "the wave of right wing populism gripping the world". Trump will stop the chaos in the ME and Ukraine. This mess has started with the Demonrats.
Intelligent_Spite390@reddit
It’s insane you’re getting downvoted when all of these wars have started during Biden admin and the biden admin literally just escalated the risk of nuclear war with Russia yet “ring wing populism” is somehow to blame😂😂
TanteJu5@reddit
I don't like Trump. However, he was right when he said that no war started during his administration.
Intelligent_Spite390@reddit
I’m left leaning but I don’t have delusional support for democrats or delusional hate for republicans like the people on this Reddit page seem to have
TanteJu5@reddit
Totally agree with you. I am the same
Hypnotoad25@reddit
Honestly I'd take a speedrun over this slow agonizing descent that we can see happening and know we're in, but can't really do anything about.
One_Umpire9039@reddit
Don’t forget AI and misinformation, maybe not as obvious as the others listed, but definitely big problems.
Morel_Authority@reddit
Catabolic collapse, my dude. They're all connected. A lack of stable climate and a lack of resources makes all other problems harder to solve. Money spent in one area means less means to solve another.
cool_side_of_pillow@reddit
Don’t forget Kessler Syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome
ok_raspberry_jam@reddit
Ugh, AI is a total disaster. Especially since Google hardly works anymore and people are using it instead of searching, getting context, and evaluating sources.
I've been talking politics with Chat GPT and its biases are intense. It can't know that America's Overton window is a mess, and you have to specifically tell it if you want to use evidence-based reasoning or bring in international perspectives.
One_Umpire9039@reddit
One thing I’m genuinely worried about is the intersection of Deep fakes and AI. Think about how many people, especially women, have social media full of pictures of their face and bodys.
We’re slowly getting to the point where we can make hyper realistic nudes or pornography of anyone. That’s a whole Pandora’s box of problems waiting to be unleashed in my opinion. What a bizzare world we live in :(
rainydays052020@reddit
I’m surprised there weren’t more deepfakes during this US election season. Maybe it’s 2028 when they’ll be unleashed.
Ravenkell@reddit
Not so much deepfakes but there were a lot of hilariously shitty AI pictures, mostly of Trump with people he'd otherwise prefer not to be around. And him faking the Taylor Swift endorsement
BeardedGlass@reddit
My goodness I remember the McDonald's thing. I thought that was AI, it was so unreal. Literally.
ok_raspberry_jam@reddit
I think they don't need them. All misinformation needs is a potato-quality photo from 2009 and some incorrect text.
rainydays052020@reddit
True!
horror-@reddit
Why bother when the truth was stranger than fiction? Seriously, we got some bonkers shit this time around.
L3NTON@reddit
Tinder just created a new policy that for a verified profile the user needs to basically let them do a 3d scan of their face in good lighting and then matches it to the pictures they've uploaded to their profile.
Tell me that's not going to be used to AI training right? Not to mention how much info people already put on their socials just for funsies.
slvrcobra@reddit
I think it's guaranteed, Tinder has been losing money and they might be able to save themselves for a little longer if they can sell as much user info as humanly possible
PracticableThinking@reddit
How tf are they losing money?
I don't use Tinder, so don't know what their costs or monetization look like.
BeardedGlass@reddit
Bloated middle management usually.
Instead of investing earning into growing a business, it gets divided by the higher ups as bonuses and salary increases. Like a sort of "pat in the back" for the revenue that the lower ranking people have done for them.
L3NTON@reddit
What's weird is Tinder is owned by match.com who owns a number of dating sites and apps including Hinge which I also use. No word from that app about any such thing. But the tinder user base is huge by comparison and they might just be focusing on it for that reason.
deepsixz@reddit
"didn't get a match? here, have a simulated relationship with them anyway"
L3NTON@reddit
There is a weirdly high number of AI chatbot dating apps that don't pretend to be anything else. There are also a bunch of fake dating apps that do pretend to be real but it's either more AI chatbots or it's basically a phone sex worker but on a dating app.
AlwaysL82TheParty@reddit
Not sure what you mean by slowly - we (and I mean myself and others in ML/CV) were creating this tech a dozen plus years ago. The things you're outlining have been available in many circles for the last 5+ years and is extremely easy to find today. Deep fake imagery is passe - it's deep fake videos that are essentially crossing the finish-line at this point.
I'm on the research side and we've been warning about this for a long time. It's pretty horrific that there are no safeguards in place for what's been developed.
virtualadept@reddit
We're already there. Have been for a while.
MycoMutant@reddit
It's like the dumbest version of an AI apocalypse where rather than a sentient AI actively striving to eradicate humanity it's just deranged CEOs cramming barely functional chat bot algorithms into everything to try and appeal to shareholders who never actually use the product.
I did a food order for home delivery from Sainsbury's a couple weeks ago, same as I do every 1-2 months. Except this time half of what I searched for didn't come up at all and the other half of the results was like playing word association with a five year old. ie. I searched cheese and the first results were all biscuits including chocolate biscuits. Searching for something simple like 'burgers' turned up only one result for burgers, one for buns and then a bunch of frozen chicken products that were not even chicken burgers. Yet scrolling down to 'see similar results' or clicking rest of shelf turned up dozens of burgers. It was like this for pretty much everything and took twice as long as usual.
Sure enough a quick search turned up articles from a few months before about Sainsbury's partnering with Microsoft to incorporate AI into their online shopping experience.
ok_raspberry_jam@reddit
Exactly. They know what you're searching for, but their objective isn't to give it to you, it's to sell you as much as possible. The algorithm figured out that people who search for cheese are likely to buy those biscuits, which are a higher profit margin.
MycoMutant@reddit
I'll keep that idea in mind next time I order to seer if that might be what's going on but it didn't feel like that. There are multiple products literally called 'biscuits for cheese' which would have come up normally in a search for cheese, though would not be prioritised above cheese yet those were missing from the search entirely and the biscuits it was coming up with weren't really anything that would go with cheese. Also every fifth search or so it was just breaking entirely and throwing up a random error.
Now when I search burgers it seems even more broken and is only coming up with one product for chicken burgers then literally everything else is in see more related results and you still have to hunt for burgers there because it thinks chicken kyivs are more related to a search for burgers than burgers are.
If it's still like this when I come to order again I'll probably order elsewhere instead. Their website has always been bad with numerous errors and annoying design features but it's now been rendered largely unusable.
I think they've just crammed some barely functional AI into the search and are counting on it eventually working rather than admitting it's a stupid idea and removing it. Same as how AI has completely and obviously broken Google's snippets but they keep pushing it on us anyway. CEOs think shareholders think AI is the next big thing so fear abandoning it will impact the share price negatively.
overkill@reddit
You can change your Google search to ditch all that AI stuff. I did it in my phone by adding a new search provider. The search strong to use (in Firefox mobile at least) is
The trick is the &udm=14 at the end.
teamsaxon@reddit
Why go through the trouble to use a tracking search engine? Just use duckduckgo.
killerbanshee@reddit
Copilot lists the source for every statement it makes
cdollas250@reddit
AI free Google: https://udm14.com/
IsuzuTrooper@reddit
except you can't talk to it. you still have to type. wtf?
ok_raspberry_jam@reddit
Someday. And when that day comes, it better speak with Majel Barrett's voice by default, or I'm gonna riot.
cabalavatar@reddit
AI drones will soon be massive problems unless someone devises an effective countermeasure. The ones being used in the Russo-Ukraine war are already game changers.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a62717263/could-ai-drones-take-over-war/
PracticableThinking@reddit
Fucking Skynet
PracticableThinking@reddit
Naive me as a university student was very interested in machine vision and machine learning. We didn't call it "AI", but I suppose it was a sort of stepping stone.
I'm glad I didn't go down that path because I would be facing a very serious ethical dilemma.
Extention_Campaign28@reddit
fear is a weapon of mass destruction
misinformation is a weapon of mass destruction
Perfecshionism@reddit
And crypto.
And vaccine skepticism.
DownwardSpirals@reddit
Nah, I saw on Twitter that misinformation is fake news. /s
rmontreal07@reddit
Current AI is more of an enabler of all of the above
robotjyanai@reddit
Seriously. In another subreddit a majority of people think that not much has changed has changed in the last decade and will change in the next 10. It’s insane how disconnected people are from reality considering everything that’s happening.
teamsaxon@reddit
Are they brain dead? Nothing changed? Covid didn't happen? The Russia Ukraine war didn't happen? Fuck people are stupid.
PracticableThinking@reddit
On election night, there was a surge in searches about whether Biden was (still) running for president.
A significant subset of the population is woefully uninformed.
Someones_Dream_Guy@reddit
You forgot the Great Cat Revolution of 2025.
Extention_Campaign28@reddit
They.are.the.same~~picture~~scenario.meme
Abyssal_Aplomb@reddit
You mean fascism?
virtualadept@reddit
No. We can't.
A whole lot of idiots who think that right after the world ends they'll be gifted a brand new paradise world just for them are doing their level best to get to the end of the game.
And those idiots have money and power. Those of us who aren't idiots don't.
verstohlen@reddit
With all that going on, what a time to be alive.
MesozOwen@reddit
I like how in some apocalyptic movies the people living in them have no idea how it actually happened. Maybe that’s how it’ll happen. Where there are just rumours and no one really knows what started it. Maybe it all happens at once.
get_while_true@reddit
Kind of like how many people live today.
winston_obrien@reddit
Leave the World Behind
ScarlettPixl@reddit
Tell that to christofascists, they're CRAVING the rapture to happen
dfox2014@reddit
Apparently we’re doing coverall rules for this bingo game.
overkill@reddit
Does that mean my "human to human transmission confirmed" box works both on the H5N1 card and the right-wing populism card? Good news if true.
kensingtonGore@reddit
UAP/UFO hearing is this afternoon.
Texuk1@reddit
Fermi’s paradox 101
Kaining@reddit
Yes, i have a giant backlog of steam games and i'm starting to grow concerned by my ability to finish it even if i die of old age, let alone very soon from any of the above.
Outside_Public4362@reddit
Calm down algorithm on internet is designed this way to segregate echo chambers.
It's enhancing the worries and misinformation, always check back on sources in the age botnet.
Delete the profile and restart and don't intract with your worries.
Drake__Mallard@reddit
Well, if global and interstate travel collapses, H5N1 won't spread far. Silver linings.
herpderption@reddit
Seriously! How are we gonna know which one did us in if we run them all at once? This isn't just global omnicide, it's bad science.
ihateme257@reddit
Yeah this is getting dark. I literally have zero hope at this point that we are not going to self destruct within the next decade.
WallyofBeans@reddit
Just dot it all up, blackout bingo is nearly done
SanityRecalled@reddit
Hey, look at the bright side, nuclear winter will probably help offset global warming from climate change! /s
aluode@reddit
Go tell that to Putin.
hikereyes2@reddit
I know right? Choose one and stick to it! (Sometimes it really feels like we're all still children. Except these are very adult problems)
Critical_Walk@reddit
The western shitshow continues.
Shoddy_Reality8985@reddit
But they were changed months ago so why restate it? Are they really running out of material to the point where they have to restate old nuclear threats?!
thekbob@reddit
As always, report content if you think it should be reviewed.
Shoddy_Reality8985@reddit
Hey thanks for the response! My quarrel is with the media who are spamming this (again) for clickbait/profit reasons rather than the people simply reposting it, they can't really be blamed IMO
pan-re@reddit
Do we think it’s to get us (the west) to agree to give up on Ukraine?
MtNak@reddit
Of course.
MtNak@reddit
It wasn't changed months ago, back then they "started to review it". Yesterday they signed these changes.
zapembarcodes@reddit
I see it as they're just flashing warning signals.
I don't think Russia is effing around. I do hope we never have to find out.
When it comes to the conflict in Ukraine, I've always found Biden to be a warmongering ideologue. But with this new level of escalation, I can't help but think the man has lost his mind.
Aromatic_Physics_559@reddit
They were proposed changes which are now in effect
lehs@reddit
That is, if Ukraine attack Russian nuclear power plants, Russia will probably nuke Ukraine, US and several European countries and we'll all get nucleare winter on the northern hemisphere. Almost every one will starve or freeze to death.
AppearanceHeavy6724@reddit
As someone who actually lives in ex-USSR and knows Russia very well, it won't happen. Klerptocrats will never nuke anyone; they are not ideologists.
lehs@reddit
So it would be safe to destroy Russian nuclear power capabilities?
AppearanceHeavy6724@reddit
Why? What is the point? If you implying that this will make Russia nuke the West, no it won't. So yes it is "safe", in that respect.
lehs@reddit
So that's Biden's plan...?
AppearanceHeavy6724@reddit
I do not know.
Logical-Race8871@reddit (OP)
SS: related to collapse by nature of greatly increased risk of nuclear conflict.
Vladimir Putin directs Russian Federation to consider an attack by a nation, who is themselves supplied or backed by a nuclear armed state, an act of war by the third party country. This is in response to President Biden's decision this week to allow Ukraine to use it's US-supplied long-range missiles on targets deep within Russian borders. This was previously denied, in most part due to the risk of ballistic missile attacks on a nuclear-armed state provoking an accidental miscalculation or nuclear escalation.
I couldn't even start to have an opinion on Biden's approval of these strikes. This whole war sucks a dirty asshole, but we're getting a little hot here. Putin is a troll, but even trolls can fuck up.
toomuchmucil@reddit
My name is Vladimir Putin, I’m allowed to use drones from Iran, satellite imagery from China, Troops/shells/guns/ammo from North Korea. That’s all fair game. But what’s not fair is anyone helping Ukraine, that is an act of War.
Biden did the right thing. Should have done it sooner.
AppearanceHeavy6724@reddit
Absolutely. Surprisingly both tankies and libertards seem to oppose helping Ukraine; however early aggresive actions by the West could've stopped the war.
justadiode@reddit
Hi, I'm Zelensky, I destroyed one of your nuclear deterrence radars and damaged another one, and no one knows why. I also sent troops to the Kursk NPP, no one knows why. Now I also have weapons that share a radar signature with nuclear ones, and I also talked about assembling my own nuclear weapons. I wonder how long it is until everyone understands I just want to escalate this regional conflict to WW3 as fast as possible
Chill_Panda@reddit
Bro no one knows why?
Are you smoking crack?
They are at war, a war which Russia started.
We do know why, it’s ruzzia!
justadiode@reddit
And why exactly would you attack nuclear fucking deterrence infrastructure? It doesn't contribute to the war until it goes nuclear, which y'all apparently wait for like it's Christmas
Oh, just so this comment won't get deleted for "information quality" again:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/05/29/us-ukraine-nuclear-warning-strikes/
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2024-07/news/ukraine-strikes-russian-early-warning-radars
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LordMongrove@reddit
He’s not just using ammo from North Korea. Hence the escalation.
Logical-Race8871@reddit (OP)
If anyone's wondering what's so different about these missiles vs the drone strikes or even the incursions of Ukrainian ground forces into the Kursk region, it's this:
The missiles in question are essentially small-ish ballistic missiles. They fly at a maximum altitude of 40-50km and come down at mach 3+. They're not nuclear-armed, but they share a flight profile with basically every battlefield nuclear missile ever made, including the ones that sparked the Cuban missile crisis.
All this is to say, when you see a ballistic missile headed for a city on the radar screen, you don't know if it's nuclear or not. That's the huge risk we're taking here. If a volley ends up looking like it's headed for Moscow or a strategic military site, that triggers a chain of rapid nuclear retaliation decision making that we do not want to ever enter. There be dragons.
Deguilded@reddit
I can think of a great way for Russia to not worry about what these small ballistic missiles might be.
Get the fuck out of Ukraine.
zapembarcodes@reddit
The problem with this notion is that it makes it seem like Russia invaded for imperialistic reasons.
Historical facts and documentation contradicts this view.
To us, it's as simple as Russia GTFO. To Russia, this is an existential threat, life or death.
Regardless of who you think is right, maybe we shouldn't start gambling with thermonuclear war on this. Russia is NOT threat to the US or NATO.
skuzzkitty@reddit
This! It is so weird that the conquering aggressor keeps whining about the war being unfair. There is no red line when it comes to defending one’s people and sovereignty, all options are on the table.
diedlikeCambyses@reddit
It is attitudes like that that will see continued escalation.
Deguilded@reddit
The current "don't do anything that might frighten them" sure seems to be working great.
diedlikeCambyses@reddit
We are doing many things that frighten them. Why do you think they are turning to China and North Korea, and threatening to blow the world up? I know what you are saying though. We are not decisively applying force. There is much to say about that.
skuzzkitty@reddit
Absolutely, because we have never seen a conquering aggressor just keep going after he got what he wanted right? There’s no chance he’ll claim a chunk of Ukraine, then immediately pick a new target, because that would be brand new and absolutely doesn’t happen every time such an invasion is allowed to be successful.
No. The age of conquest is long over. We shut it down, or it escalates, as it always does.
diedlikeCambyses@reddit
Perhaps we should move towards shutting it down then?
Errick1996@reddit
We aren't going to cool off by letting Russia do whatever they want anymore than we did in the 1930s by letting Germany eat Czechoslovakia. Russia's been brutally invading former Soviet territories since the 90s, and engaging in acts of sabotage and murder of civilians on at least British soil.
It absolutely sucks ass, but sometimes a fight's coming whether you want it or not. Keeping the peace is hard work requiring mutual cooperation, but all it only takes one determined aggresor to break it. Russia already acts as if it's at war with the entirety of the collective West; pretending they don't won't change it, and caving to their demands and blackmail will only teach them they can just keep going without consequences.
Just-Giraffe6879@reddit
Really wish the west had moral superiority in this scenario but we don't. What we have is the belief that we're superior and the fact that we have also invaded peaceful countries and killed literally millions of civilians in the process. Neither side worth defending at face value; escalation is the worst possible outcome with no net positives. And without even entertaining negotiations, how can we claim to have ever supported the idea of de-escalation?
proweather13@reddit
Moral superiority based on the past is not relevant here.
Just-Giraffe6879@reddit
It is when I'm responding to people trying to contrast russia's actions with our own and using that to build a moral argument to justify broader war
skuzzkitty@reddit
You see it well. Bullies don’t back down when they’re appeased, they back down when they get a bloody nose.
errie_tholluxe@reddit
But Ukraine isnt an attacker. They are counter attacking.
Yeah I know, semantics.
Logical-Race8871@reddit (OP)
Y'all are completely missing the point. None of what's important about this latest development has anything to do with intent or bluffs, but with a change in conditions of a system. There's now a major doctrine shift in both sides of a war with regards to ballistic missiles, be they nuclear or conventional.
Pyotor Pyotovichny, drunk-ass 21-year-old radar operator in the outskirts of Moscow does not give a fuck about threatening nuclear war, but he's now being legally told one is imminently possible, and he definitely doesn't want to die or get sent to the front for fucking up. That changes how he will respond to incoming ballistic missile fire, which is maybe now coming for him or his family. That's a new set of conditions in the nuclear command structure. That's not a good thing.
The world has hung in the balance of drunk-ass 21 year-old Pyotor Pyotovichny before, and we came extremely close to it all being over.
idiotpuffles@reddit
The world is ending anyway, what does it matter how it happens.
Deguilded@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov
infant-@reddit
Do you think it's just redditors and unhinged democrates that want us to die?
Fuck Trump and his gang but he's the only one on the planet talking about wanting to end the war.
Everyone else wants a full on escalation.
Deguilded@reddit
You think Russia will just... stop?
infant-@reddit
The war will end with Russia likely taking the Russian speaking regions, that I think they mostly hold now. This is likely the same outcome now as it is years from now.
I_Smell_A_Rat666@reddit
Let’s hope competent engineers still work for Putin and have the common sense and courage to say when a bad call is made. Typing that previous sentence out made me feel a bit nervous.
Logical-Race8871@reddit (OP)
You obviously haven't seen enough Russian apartment block bungie jumping videos.
Frog_and_Toad@reddit
This is the correct take. And you can see from some of the comments in this thread that many dont take MAD seriously anymore. It was like a vaccine that has lost its effectiveness over time.
There was a network of nuclear limitation treaties that have been in place since Reagan. They have been dismantled. So there are no brakes any more, only an accelerator.
Indigo_Sunset@reddit
https://thebulletin.org/2022/02/us-defense-to-its-workforce-nuclear-war-can-be-won/
Per_Sona_@reddit
What is the NATO alternative in your own view?
Russia often threatens to nuke Europe unless they get what they want (Ukraine, the Baltics, Poland and more influence etc). I live in this ares. How much should we give Russia before it is too much? Would you like to live in Russia or under Russia rule?
SkiG13@reddit
This. I don’t believe anyone will be purposely starting a nuclear exchange. It’s probably way less than a hundreth of a one percent chance Putin willingly starts an exchange. Russia will be over competely along with the US and Putin knows it and anyone with a brain knows it.
The thing that scares me are the stupid people, the kid that’s on duty to turn the keys to launch missiles or some guy at the Russian equivalent to NORAD will pick up a random US jet doing an exercise and interpret it as carrying a nuclear bomb.
lyonslicer@reddit
It's also important to remember that Russia's military is HEAVILY structured in a top-down order. Russian troops, even those halfway up the chain of command, do very little without explicit orders from the people above them. And you can be damn sure launching a nuke would need direct orders from above. If some radar operator sees what they think is a NATO plane, the word will be sent up the ladder, and they will be waiting for orders to respond.
It's certainly possible that some true believer somewhere in the chain decides to YOLO it and launch, but that's a light switch that you can't unflip. Others will be there to question what's going on and check with the higher-ups. Remember: Russian mothers love their children just as much as Western mothers love their's.
This whole thing is a ploy to make Trump look tough when he "successfully negotiates" with Putin to deescalate the situation. In return, Putin will get Trumps help in dealing with Ukraine. Not direct help, of course. But cutting off intelligence, funding, or some combination of factors that makes Ukraine unable to keep defending itself will be enough. That and Putin has to keep looking tough to his own people to keep them under heel. When Ukraine starts hitting military targets in Russian territory using NATO weapons, this gives him a show of response.
diedlikeCambyses@reddit
Yes I am disapointed by the comments.
HannahBananaBuTt219@reddit
Anytime aliens ANY FUCKING TIME 🤣
UncleBaguette@reddit
Don't worry when they are loud and boasribg. The eerie quietness - that'll be the signal thst the deuce is in the free fall towards fan's blades...
pangs3798@reddit
How old were you when you realized the world is ran by jackasses
GrimmKat@reddit
With the preparations manual landing in my mailbox today..I just foze...I am so terrified of war with russia..I just..am fully anxious, depressed and stressed out... I told my husband, exactly how i felt...and that id like to prepare at least a little ...but hes like na fk no, nothing is gonna happen... and that hurts alot...I dont have alot of money on my own but im going to try anyway... I almost dont want to wake up anymore with how the world is going..
Alphadestrious@reddit
Nothing gonna happen it's fear mongering
Temporary_Second3290@reddit
They're also saying they're ready for an arctic war.
extinction6@reddit
Russia has more than 40 icebreakers and they are escorting commercial ships through the northwest passage.
Taqueria_Style@reddit
Yeah they just got in their order of Arctic snow trooper stormtrooper uniforms from Amazon
dgradius@reddit
They say it’s from Amazon but they really ordered it from Temu.
pants6000@reddit
No, really, they're top quality XQZIEMBO brand!
etsprout@reddit
Just as soon as the ice caps finish melting 🫠
ebostic94@reddit
Wash your nose if they touch that button just one time they will become a parking lot very quickly.
PenguinPetesLostBod@reddit
I've used this a lot before but it illustrates the point perfectly. A man who is so scared of being assassinated that he has to sit this far from a democratically elected leader, is not someone who will order a nuclear strike and sign his own death warrant.
lostfungus@reddit
What if he knows he's terminally ill?
Deguilded@reddit
He wouldn't be sitting that far.
lostfungus@reddit
No, I mean, what if at some point in the near future he finds out that he's terminally ill?
FireHamilton@reddit
Aren’t we all?
JacksGallbladder@reddit
Russian nuclear threats / nuclear doctrine at this point are just continued saber rattling.
Either the world powers are gonna send it, or they're not. No point letting the fear mongering grab you.
FireHamilton@reddit
Plus hey yknow if it happens it happens. Life is okay. If I’m gonna get fucked so be it
Hilda-Ashe@reddit
Won't that means, even some South Korean soldiers accidentally firing at the general direction of North Korea, will be responded with rain of Russian nukes upon Seoul and perhaps Tokyo?
I fucking hate this timeline.
GrimKiba-@reddit
Boomers get to die before WWII.
Double-Hard_Bastard@reddit
I will hate Russia until the day I die.
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Nadie_AZ@reddit
I see the Western Propaganda machine has spent its money well.
Creasentfool@reddit
They really are like an alien breed.
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pradeep23@reddit
I love Russian culture and literature. Its influence on world. But yeah I do hate Putin.
jaimealexlara@reddit
Don't blame all the people. Many don't want this. Those who speak up or talk against get jailed. That reality is not far off here as well.
Double-Hard_Bastard@reddit
Where is here? Are you assuming that you and I are in the same country? I'm pretty sure that we're not.
Lawboithegreat@reddit
Given the way things are going globally the statement is pretty effective even blanket honestly
Double-Hard_Bastard@reddit
No it's not.
Lawboithegreat@reddit
Alright, if you’re in Europe, North America (except Mexico), South America (except Brazil), most of south east Asia, broad swaths of Africa and the Middle East or Australia then your country is either currently shifting right, has a right wing movement picking up steam, or has already been having a rough go of it politically. If you’re still not listed in the above, congrats on being a statistical anomaly and may your next 5 years bring anything but the shit show in store for the rest of us.
toosells@reddit
Lol, if one country launch acual ICBMs it doesn't matter what country your in. Cause everybody will launch and were all done.
bachrodi@reddit
They have SATAN II and you don't
Purple_Puffer@reddit
Won't be long now.
AlwaysL82TheParty@reddit
Capitalism and the current state of the world is...lol sadface.
Extention_Campaign28@reddit
"Old man does things that don't cost him money because he is out of things he can do that would cost too much money"
Shorttail0@reddit
A NATO official farts and Putin threatens nuclear war. Like buddy, get some new material.
throwaway264269@reddit
Neumaschine@reddit
Russia once again fucked with the US's elections. This is Bidens response, and now that it is over the political fallout has been weighed, pun intended.
DIABLO258@reddit
He's doing this so when Trump steps in, he can back off, which will make Trump the "I prevented a nuclear holocaust" president, giving his followers more of a reason to follow him
Yamama77@reddit
Well if he fancies getting Russia erased off the map in an hour.
Logical-Race8871@reddit (OP)
Apparently Russia's getting erased off the map by AMOC, anyway
Unfair_Creme9398@reddit
No, Russia’s too big and too far from the Atlantic for that to happen.
LordTuranian@reddit
Meh. Humanity is screwed anyway.
KernunQc7@reddit
Last century: Last Chinese red lines This century: Final Russian nuclear warnings
Translation: I need a timeout of 2-3 years to rearm, let me keep what I have, so I can more easily get the rest later.
nullzeroerror@reddit
Do it pussy
space_manatee@reddit
What the fuck is wrong with you? We do not want a nuclear war. It is mutually assured destruction.
machineprophet343@reddit
Probably don’t actually want it — it’s likely more borne of how Putin has literally threatened to use nukes over every so called red line for three years now and yet has never done it each time such a line was crossed. And many of us are sick of his threats and the cowards around us who want to appease him over the fact he has nukes.
space_manatee@reddit
Calling his bluff isn't a win.
ifcknkl@reddit
It is. Trust me, its much more likely they ll get rid of him. Didnt you know, he ordered a nuclear test in 22, wasnt carried out. Imagine he ordered to use a nuke on ukraine or even nato... He is a very small man, with walls which are getting closer from every side.
Frog_and_Toad@reddit
> its much more likely they ll get rid of him
like we got rid of Trump?
Suspicious-Bad4703@reddit
Say they get rid of Putin, then what? The US wins? The US appears to be losing total control of the Middle East and China is on the ascent. If Putin is gone and then there's some favorable western president... It won't amount to a hill of beans for the US on the global stage.
jbiserkov@reddit
I pulled the trigger once and I didn't die! 🎶
I pulled the trigger twice and I didn't die! 🎵
I pulled the trigger THREE TIMES and I didn't die! 🥳
Surely there are no bullets in this revolver, I can keep pressing the trigger as often as I want!!! 🌌🧠
Suspicious-Bad4703@reddit
It blows my mind how liberals and the Democrats have become the party of war, and they wonder why their base didn't show up to the ballot box. Fucking mind numbing at this point.
ThunderPreacha@reddit
Tell me how you negotiate with crazy people. Putler should be in a straightjacket but he is a terrorist with a nuclear belt threatening to blow himself up because he can't fulfill his insane fantasies.
space_manatee@reddit
Blue maga man. Fucking pisses me off
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nullzeroerror@reddit
Wow it is? No way. He’s not gonna do it, shut up.
ishitar@reddit
I live close enough to a major military target so its instant vaporization right here. I call that a mercy. Also, you are on r/collapse. Most people here have already come to terms with human extinction but before that a horrifically cruel next few decades where they will be imprisoned and or impressed into war and or rape/tortured and or marched out into the woods and shot and or watching their kids slow starving death and or eventually offing themselves if they survive long enough. So it's a natural reaction: Tired of his posturing. Press the big red button. Let's see how good the US missile shield is. Fuck you Russia, endlessly annoying country full of raping murderers. And so on
Logical-Race8871@reddit (OP)
I'm honestly kinda amazed at how jingoistic everyone in here is being. Really brought out the gleeful accelerationists with this one.
Yes fuck Russia, yes they must be stopped, but this is ballistic missile strikes on a nuclear superpower (yes, superpower, they still have 5,500 nukes), and a concrete legal change in the nuclear decision making process of that superpower. People with fingers on buttons will be more twitchy worldwide.
It's not good for the world. It's a deep existential moral problem, not a team sport. Christ.
Storm_blessed946@reddit
yes please nuke me pussy, it makes me feel so ALIVE
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Listen, you all can and should discuss the ramifications of a nuclear-armed nation amending their doctrine towards utilization in current conflicts.
But you cannot advocate for nuclear war or propose any other support or glorification for violence per Rule 2.
Any commentary about elements of the conflict should come with supporting works, since disinformation regarding the Ukraine conflict is exceedingly high.
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The following submission statement was provided by /u/Logical-Race8871:
SS: related to collapse by nature of greatly increased risk of nuclear conflict.
Vladimir Putin directs Russian Federation to consider an attack by a nation, who is themselves supplied or backed by a nuclear armed state, an act of war by the third party country. This is in response to President Biden's decision this week to allow Ukraine to use it's US-supplied long-range missiles on targets deep within Russian borders. This was previously denied, in most part due to the risk of ballistic missile attacks on a nuclear-armed state provoking an accidental miscalculation or nuclear escalation.
I couldn't even start to have an opinion on Biden's approval of these strikes. This whole war sucks a dirty asshole, but we're getting a little hot here. Putin is a troll, but even trolls can fuck up.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1gux5ge/putin_approves_changes_to_russias_nuclear_doctrine/lxxbs3q/
want-to-say-this@reddit
Just do it already
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Painkiller2302@reddit
Waiting for the day this psychopath suddenly dies by falling off a window.
WestGotIt1967@reddit
The brains of a lot of posters on here have obviously already collapsed
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AnAncientOne@reddit
Not sure what the point of doing that is tbh. It's not like he'd ever use them because that would be game over for everyone. That's the pointlessness of nuclear weapons, once one goes off then they all start going off and that's it. The end.
Alfa-Hr@reddit
Its likely nothing , by the start of the entire shit . The russian idiots at kremlin treathened the world 91 times with nukes .
CanOfUbik@reddit
Normally I would hold the same opinion, but a nuclear use is much more plausible at this point in time as it has been in a long while, and especially because he has threatened it so often.
The use of ATACMs on russian territory gives him a plausible excuse.
with Biden on the way out and the failed german government both the US and Europe are in bad shape to formulated a coherent response
he just needs one strike to reinforce his "red lines" and badly shake up the discourse, seemingly proving people who said ATACMs would lead to escalation right.
If the ATACM decision had been made months ago, I would have been very sure that russia wouldn't use nukes. But now we are in a short but frightenigly plausible window of time for a "nuclear demonstration". I'm not talking about all out nuclear war or a huge wave of attacks. Only a strike with comparably "small" nukes on ukrainian positions to put the West into panic.
I hope it doesn't happen, but the risk hasn't been this high in a long time.
Promethius6969@reddit
He will not use them. Bluffing. He already toppled his arch rival the US even if the US does not know it yet. The west will fall from within.
911ChickenMan@reddit
The entire point of building nukes is to never use them:
-Martin Amis
wildrabbit12@reddit
Stop spreading Russian propaganda
wildrabbit12@reddit
There won’t be nuclear war jesus, is one of this assholes redlines.
leo_aureus@reddit
Let's get some popcorn ready, can use the flashes to cook it all in an instant!
simondrawer@reddit
US and the west in general need to call him on it and get in the game. Immediate NATO membership and immediate NATO troops inside Ukraine to push Putin out. Make it very clear that an attack on any NATO troops could make it very sunny in Moscow. At the moment Putin controls the narrative and he’s winning. He is making the narrative that Russia is the one being attacked, not being the attacker.
HaveaTomCollins@reddit
I doubt their nukes are that effective after the fall of the Soviet Union.
Logical-Race8871@reddit (OP)
We literally paid them billions to keep their nukes maintained through the 90s & 2000's...and helped them do it.
It's the one part of Russia that wasn't allowed to collapse or degrade.
They've done a massive modernization program over the past 15 years and restarted production.
We had to follow suit with our own modernization program and new missiles. It's not going well.
RebelFemme47@reddit
Better add some more “red lines” while you’re at it. 😆
BTRCguy@reddit
Putin has been saber-rattling on the matter of Ukraine for so long it has become a "day ending in Y" event.
Besides, "Putin approves changes"? Really? Like he was somehow hamstrung and prevented from doing whatever the hell he wanted by the previous nuclear doctrine?
rinkoplzcomehome@reddit
If Kursk getting invaded by Ukraine didn't trigger a nuclear escalation, neither will this.
All in for Nothing Ever Happens
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The following submission statement was provided by /u/Logical-Race8871:
SS: related to collapse by nature of greatly increased risk of nuclear conflict.
Vladimir Putin directs Russian Federation to consider an attack by a nation, who is themselves supplied or backed by a nuclear armed state, an act of war by the third party country. This is in response to President Biden's decision this week to allow Ukraine to use it's US-supplied long-range missiles on targets deep within Russian borders. This was previously denied, in most part due to the risk of ballistic missile attacks on a nuclear-armed state provoking an accidental miscalculation or nuclear escalation.
I couldn't even start to have an opinion on Biden's approval of these strikes. This whole war sucks a dirty asshole, but we're getting a little hot here. Putin is a troll, but even trolls can fuck up.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1gux5ge/putin_approves_changes_to_russias_nuclear_doctrine/lxxbs3q/
mastermind_loco@reddit
Good job, Biden.
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