Jews and gay people should hide identity in ‘Arab neighbourhoods’, says Berlin police chief.
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Bastard_of_Brunswick@reddit
If one group in society is a clear and present danger to various other groups in society and has a track record for violence, intolerance and constant unreasonable demands; is it worth having them around where they can be violently intolerant and unreasonable? - or should they be given the simple choice to improve their behaviour, leave, or be kicked out if they do that crap again.
lilibz@reddit
I agree and since I am consistent with this logic, Israel should no longer be a country and everyone there has to leave.
neo-hyper_nova@reddit
I’m sure starting another 7 wars you can’t win to solve this issue will go so well! Just like the last 7 times.
lilibz@reddit
Unlike you, I am consistent with the logic that if one group is a clear and consistent threat to other groups in the surrounding society, they should no longer be around. How that should be handled is a different story, I am simply coming to the most logical conclusion
neo-hyper_nova@reddit
So Muslims? What society? The Arab countries can’t even get along them selves lmao. The most developed of them still beheads gay people. Again, you can’t remove the Israelis. They’ve tried. And they lose, everytime.
Bastard_of_Brunswick@reddit
Fine by me. That whole region has been a shitshow for thousands of years.
Green_Space729@reddit
Name a region that hasn’t?
Bastard_of_Brunswick@reddit
Scandinavia
the-bladed-one@reddit
HAHAHAHA YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS
Bastard_of_Brunswick@reddit
Have you been there?
the-bladed-one@reddit
Yeah uh the Russo Finnish war just in the last century. Further back you get all the wars between Denmark, Norway, and Sweden. Even further back you get, yknow, the Norse.
Doc_Hollywood1@reddit
Found the nazi
Sunbeamsoffglass@reddit
I’d say that also describes America….
Raze_the_werewolf@reddit
So, the rising far-right white supremacists like the AfD supporters should all be kicked out of Germany. I agree. But where? Canada might take in more Nazis if we all ask nicely.
Bastard_of_Brunswick@reddit
Extremists from any political movement or cult should be kicked out of civilized society. If they cause more harm than good then they have clearly outstayed their welcome.
Raze_the_werewolf@reddit
Who decides what constitutes extremism, though? If it's violence, then you already have a justice system that takes care of that. Is it just disagreeing with government policy because that seems rather silly. What about peaceful protest? There has recently been quite a violent crackdown on peaceful protest in Germany. Is that extremist? There are a lot of old people that still don't like LGBTQIA2S+, what about Christians who don't accept them. Where would you like to send citizens who don't espouse the same views you hold?
Bastard_of_Brunswick@reddit
If a group creates scapegoats and promotes violence and intolerance against them, then i would firstly send them for deprogramming out of whatever ideology is promoting violence and intolerance against their scapegoats and have anyone calling for violence against others sent to jail and anyone participating in violence against others also sent to jail. That sounds like reasonable first steps to me.
snuggiemclovin@reddit
The German government should definitely expel entire ethnic groups. Worked great for them last time.
Bastard_of_Brunswick@reddit
No, that would be racist. Perhaps anyone who continues to subscribe to dangerous, intolerant, bigoted, violent, scapegoating cults. People can leave cults if they choose, but they cannot choose their ethnicity.
apistograma@reddit
I'd say a country where AfD is projected to get 1/4 of the vote has a larger problem than alleged radical islamism, but I understand that using minorities as an scapegoat is just irresistible for Germany. It can't be Jews since they got too far last time, so it has to be Muslims now :(
FantasticMacaron9341@reddit
Try to dress like a typical jewish man with a pride flag and walk around in these neighborhoods at night.
lilibz@reddit
Try to wear keffiyahs with your friends anywhere near a German police officer
Exostrike@reddit
Clearly you need to dress like a typical jewish man, carry a pride flag, and the keffiyeh. The result is totally mental confusion.
killersnail2417@reddit
That's just the average Brooklyn resident.
lilibz@reddit
But even the NYPD beats less protestors than German police
kronosdev@reddit
In Brooklyn they’re all arguing in Spanish.
yiang29@reddit
That’s not an issue 😂. Name another country who has let in as many Arab refugees. Cry victim
lilibz@reddit
You have no clue what you’re talking about 😂 but go ahead and do it and show me some video proof
Hobgoblin_Khanate@reddit
Hyperbole
Happy-Bad-7226@reddit
You’re probably American
theonlymexicanman@reddit
wtf is a typical Jewish man…
A typical Jewish man is a regular guy with sometimes a kippah.
I’m guessing you’re thinking all Jewish people are like Hasidic Jews who dress in traditional cloths, which in that case you’re generalizing them in a almost racist manner for your own benefits
snuggiemclovin@reddit
Zionist ideas of what it means to be Jewish are more antisemitic than the people they accuse of antisemitism.
apistograma@reddit
Idk what is gonna happen? You tell me
MarineKing1337@reddit
2 Hebrew speaking people were attacked by 2 arabs. You shouldn’t speak Hebrew in Neukölln. I also don’t know why you’re doing the whataboutism with the AfD
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/berlin-neukoelln-mann-und-frau-sprechen-hebraeisch-und-werden-koerperlich-angegriffen-a-d3de8cbc-d288-46ef-9779-a961027312a9
apistograma@reddit
What about people who are attacked for being Arab? Would you say this is just as bad or less bad?
Do you think that Israel claiming Zionism is the same as Judaism is raising those attacks and helping spread hate and violence?
mdedetrich@reddit
I live in Berlin, this happens far more rarely than Jew's getting attacked or harrassed. As was said by the Polish commissioner, the vast majority of race based violence (whether verbal or physical) is against Jewish people, and in countries like America the FBI says that >60% of race based hate crimes are against Jews (which if you take into account they are sub 1% of the population gives you an indication of how severe it is).
Some of my Jewish friends had to actually leave Berlin after Oct 7th because they lived in these Arab-majority areas and they weren't safe.
Falcao1905@reddit
Does Berlin really have Arab-majority districts though? Maybe some that are Turkish-majority but I really didn't think there were that many Arabs living in Berlin. Especially in areas like Neukölln that are known for having a lot of Turks/Italians
yiang29@reddit
It’s a very easy google check. Germany has let in millions of Arab refugees
Falcao1905@reddit
The numbers still not enough to form a majority in a district.
yiang29@reddit
Why would you respond to my comment without doing a simple google check first 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs_in_Germany#:~:text=The%20largest%20concentration%20of%20Arab,of%20Neuk%C3%B6lln%2C%20Kreuzberg%20and%20Gesundbrunnen.
Falcao1905@reddit
"significantly higher concentrations" means nothing, especially since Kreuzberg has a giant ass Turkish sign in the middle of the district, and not a lot of Arabic stuff.
yiang29@reddit
What are you quoting? I shared a map of where the Arab majority districts are in Germany. 😂😂😂😂
Falcao1905@reddit
Are you really implying that Berlin is a majority Arabic city?
yiang29@reddit
I’m not implying anything , I’m showing actual data of Arab majority districts(some of which exist WITHIN Berlin) Berlin has 12 districts. Not only are you being ignorant and not looking at the sources I shared but you don’t even know the difference between a district and a city
Falcao1905@reddit
The link you posted does not lead to a map of majority Arab districts in Germany
yiang29@reddit
Yes it does. It CLEARLY states the dark blue is 50% and higher.
Falcao1905@reddit
It literally doesn't? It implies the population density of a nationality, not the proportion of a given nationality among the total population. I know those maps, I can also understand German
DHNCartoons@reddit
I was just in Berlin about 2 months ago. I heard Arabic more than I heard German and English and there are entire large sections of Berlin where all the storefronts are in arabic.
Falcao1905@reddit
Coincidentally I was also in Berlin 2-3 months ago. I seldom heard Arabic, outside of German I usually heard Turkish or Russian/Ukrainian. I actually hear more Arabic in my home city, which houses around 150,000 Arabs from various nations.
apistograma@reddit
So it's ok because it allegedly happens less?
Are you gonna tell me that race crimes in the US are majority towards Jews when the black population is much higher?
Come on, not even you believe that
redditing_away@reddit
Dude, there are far less Jews in Germany than Arabs/Muslims, yet the number of attacks on Jews is higher than on Arabs/Muslims. Is it that hard?
No need for some whataboutism for the poor Arabs when they're a big factor in the rise of those incidents. Nothing more, nothing less.
apistograma@reddit
So you're going to ignore the fact that your data is obviously biased.
You literally believe blacks are attacked less often than Jews in the US lol
MarineKing1337@reddit
There are 225.000 Jews and 5.6 million muslims in Germany. In 2023 5164 antisemitic and 1924 antimuslim crimes were committed.
https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/pressemitteilungen/DE/2024/05/bka-pmk-2023-pm.html
You’re doing whataboutism at its finest
apistograma@reddit
What that says is that Muslim hate crimes are underreported
MarineKing1337@reddit
😂😂😂
apistograma@reddit
I guess it's a normal reaction when in your mind Muslims are dangerous violent savages like you're doing
GushingAnusCheese@reddit
you are correct, good observation
MarineKing1337@reddit
Your whataboutism is just hilarious
Benzodiazeparty@reddit
this is peak whataboutism. the subject at hand is attacks on JEWS, not arabs or muslims.
apistograma@reddit
Well, the attackers are Muslims so your argument is pretty weird.
Benzodiazeparty@reddit
bro you really really need to give up. you look pathetic scrambling in these comments. is it THAT hard for you to acknowledge a minority group experiencing hate based on religion? or does it only count if the minority group is muslims? (they’re not even a minority anymore). some self reflection could do you VERY good. also consider logging off for a day and living your life instead fighting over whether jews get attacked or not. (spoiler: we do).
seriously. this is not a healthy nor necessary argument. it’s also not an argument. the fact is jews expérience a lot of hate crimes in certain areas. you can’t just decide that isn’t true. give it up.
apistograma@reddit
If I can make you dance for me and write two entire paragraphs that I'm not bothering to read I'd say my work is good.
Benzodiazeparty@reddit
you’re a joke.
mdedetrich@reddit
Yes, because blacks are around 14% of the US population which is much higher than <2% so in absolute numbers that may be possible, but it still means as a Jewish person in US you are much more likely to be a victim of race based hate crime.
Go learn some statistics.
apistograma@reddit
You're max deluded if you think that. Most Americans will laugh at you
redditing_away@reddit
What the fuck? I'm not talking about the US, I'm talking about Germany. Do keep up, will you?
mdedetrich@reddit
Yes thats the actual reality, from https://www.ajc.org/news/ajc-warns-staggering-fbi-hate-crimes-data-likely-represents-under-reporting-of-anti-jewish#:~:text=With%20the%20FBI%20reporting%20that,widely%20underreported%20across%20the%20country.
I believe in actual data, not anti sematic conspiracy theorists. The fact that this is ridiculous to you rather eloquates quite well what the core issue is.
Airowird@reddit
Do you have any data on how much hate crimes go unreported?
mdedetrich@reddit
No, but there is no evidence that
So sorry to say this, but you are spreading vibe based conspiracy theories.
And to drive the point home even more, in almost all German synagogues are the only place of religious worship that have Police patrol it 24/7 because of high disprortionatly likely it is for Jewish people to get attacked there.
Airowird@reddit
So, I read the article you linked, but either you didn't, or already forgot about a part of it.
So atleast 79% of hate crimes against jews go unreported. I see no accuracy data, but if that number for anti-black crimes would be as much as 11% higher, then antisemitic hate crimes are no longer beating anti-black in pure numbers. Whether that's statistically probable or not I can't tell, because I don't have data on unreported anti-arab crimes to apply statistics on. Until then, it's all "vibe based".
Oh, and German police actions are irrelevant to the US data. But considering there is a far stronger correlation between judaism and jewish ethnicity than any other religious gathering place with black people or even arabs or caucassians. So yeah, there is a far greater risk for buildings that congregate nearly only jewish people, when calculating risks, "large group of potential targets with near-zero collateral" just automatically ranks higher and deserves more protection. Statistically speaking ofcourse. But I'm sure that's what you meant and "only synagogues get police protection" wasn't intended to be a vibe based argument, right?
Aggressive_Log139@reddit
“Antisemitism” is not the same as a “hate crime.” In the United States, most antisemitism—using slurs, etc., is not a crime. There is nothing to report to the police. So the statistic you cited has no bearing on the discussion, which is about being victims of actual hate crimes—vandalism, assault, etc.
apistograma@reddit
So you believe Jews are more oppressed and attacked than Blacks lol
mdedetrich@reddit
No I said they receive more race based hate crimes, thats a strawmen you just created.
Its possible to be less oppresed but still be a victim to race based hate crime, I know thats a hard concept for you to understand.
apistograma@reddit
So you think they receive less hate crimes? Come on get out of here you clown
mdedetrich@reddit
Its not what I think, its the current reality based on most up to date facts
Go look in the mirror ;)
fajadada@reddit
You don’t believe the numbers FBI released. Ok we know you’re stupid. What other arguments are you going to put up other than US Government conspiracy. Because we need entertainment.Wait , let me The World Jewish Secret Government is pulling the strings against peaceful Islamic expansion. That’s always a good one
Rikoschett@reddit
Anybody that gets attacked because of their ethnicity, religion or sexuality is wrong.
apistograma@reddit
Glad that we're on the same page but you can see that most people replying to me don't share this opinion right
Rikoschett@reddit
No you seem to try to change the subject in weird ways. I don't get what your problem is?
apistograma@reddit
Ok now I see that you're not really a moderate but a islamophobic pretending to be one
Rikoschett@reddit
Why am I islamophobic?
apistograma@reddit
Because you're clearly acting to divert my accusations towards islamophobes in this conversation.
The fact that you think this is going to fool anyone says a lot about your IQ.
Rikoschett@reddit
With that logic your an antisemite that try to divert accusations of antisemitism.
So I guess we are just to hateful guys having a chat online! Cheers 🥂
apistograma@reddit
Lol you must have gotten very salty to answer like that
Rikoschett@reddit
No I just don't discuss with nazis.
yiang29@reddit
I’d say it’s far less prevalent statistics wise.
apistograma@reddit
So are Jews compared to Muslims.
yiang29@reddit
That proves my point even farther. They are a minority compared to Arabs and are still attacked far more. You shot yourself in the foot with that one
apistograma@reddit
No, my point is that according to you we shouldn't even talk or care about Jews since they're tiny in the world population.
yiang29@reddit
No that’s the point you’re making. I’m saying Jews are attacked and persecuted far more than Arabs in Germany. You’re the one that has problem with Jews for some reason
yiang29@reddit
That proves my point even farther.
Vaders_Colostomy_Bag@reddit
Do you think that Islamic extremists globalizing the intifada is creating Islamophobia and helping spread hate and violence against Muslims?
FantasticMacaron9341@reddit
Try it and let us know, I am guessing you will be beat up.
apistograma@reddit
How do you know that? Have you tried?
FantasticMacaron9341@reddit
Not dressed up like a jew with a pride flag but something less obvious and I was verbally assulted and almost physically assulted.
apistograma@reddit
Care to tell me the exact situation and context?
I'd also like to know your opinion on the rise of the AfD
FantasticMacaron9341@reddit
I don't know much about the AfD, and I am gay, with gay friends and we are sort of visibly gay, thats the situation.
apistograma@reddit
So you're gay living in Germany, and you have no opinion on the AfD but you're telling me "trust me those Muslims beat me up but I can't tell you anything about it".
Totally not faking a story to push your far right agenda.
gravitologist@reddit
Are you aiming to suggest the dogma of Islam is not uniquely violent in the present day and age?
apistograma@reddit
Is the IDF islamist?
gravitologist@reddit
What are you unwilling to answer the question?
apistograma@reddit
Well you said islamism is uniquely violent. But the IDF is commiting genocide as we speak and they're not islamist.
gravitologist@reddit
The suggestion that there is some sort of moral equivalence between Islam and the IDF is laughably absurd. Stay in school lol.
apistograma@reddit
Well most islamist aren't genocidal but the IDF is
gravitologist@reddit
Hilarious. Please, try literacy.
FantasticMacaron9341@reddit
I don't live in germany
apistograma@reddit
Huh. Where you were allegedly attacked?
FantasticMacaron9341@reddit
In berlin, next to a gay bar.
Started yelling at us for no reason.
apistograma@reddit
Do you think the rise of German fascism poses a similar problem to radical islamism for gays in Germany?
FantasticMacaron9341@reddit
Again, I have no idea about german politics, just saying I believe this problem is real.
apistograma@reddit
So you don't think German fascism is a danger for gays?
Beagle_Knight@reddit
Your mental gymnastics to avoid the issue are Olympic level
apistograma@reddit
So it isn't a problem that neonazis are getting powerful in the German parliament.
Ok
Beagle_Knight@reddit
And you keep changing the issue being discussed, I wonder why
apistograma@reddit
Well that's a pretty clear indictment that you do like neonazis in Germany
Beagle_Knight@reddit
Nope, again why are you trying so hard to change what is being discussed?
apistograma@reddit
Because you literally don't care about gays or are literally homophobic
Beagle_Knight@reddit
I do, you are the one trying very hard to change the subject for some reason
Barbara Slowik said: “There are areas of the city, we need to be perfectly honest here, where I would advise people who wear a kippah or are openly gay to be more careful“
apistograma@reddit
Yeah and a week ago they compared hooligans in Amsterdam acting like animals with the kristalnach.
If you take every clownish take seriously idk what to tell you
Beagle_Knight@reddit
Sounds like you are trying very hard to diminish antisemitism and bigotry
apistograma@reddit
No, I call out fascists that want to use antisemitism as a way to promote islamophobia and rise.
They're the real danger for Jews.
Beagle_Knight@reddit
No, you are trying to hide antisemitism and bigotry because you fear that it can be used to promote racism. But it doesn’t make it any less real or dangerous.
apistograma@reddit
Never done that.
I stated that fascism in Germany is more dangerous since they have political power unlike Muslims.
You're somehow very invested in worrying about those barbaric Muslims because you're a racist
Beagle_Knight@reddit
You are calling them what? So not only you are a bigot and antisemite, but also a racist
apistograma@reddit
ero reading skills
Beagle_Knight@reddit
Sorry, I don’t understand bigotry and antisemitism, sadly is the only language that you speak
FantasticMacaron9341@reddit
And just because this is a problem doesn't mean you need to vote for extremists obviously
apistograma@reddit
Which one is a larger problem?
FantasticMacaron9341@reddit
Why not try to solve both problems?
apistograma@reddit
Say it.
FantasticMacaron9341@reddit
I would guess Islamic extremism is a bigger issue right now, but as I said I don't know much about German politics.
FantasticMacaron9341@reddit
Probably is big issue as well but I have no idea of any details
conflicteddiuresis@reddit
Seeing as you are Israeli you didn't by chance act like most of your fellow countrymen when they are abroad?
cytokine7@reddit
You accusing others of pushing an agenda while actively gaslighting all Jews and Gays for your own clear agenda is ironic.
apistograma@reddit
Gaslighting? I'm not the one pretending the European far right is harmless lol
gerkletoss@reddit
Nobody said that
apistograma@reddit
Press X to doubt
gerkletoss@reddit
How about you press enter to link me to a comment that proves me wrong?
cytokine7@reddit
Neither am I... That's not the topic at hand though.
apistograma@reddit
Oh, I'm pretty sure this is a very uncomfortable topic for you
yiang29@reddit
The rise of the AFD happened after one the most tolerant societies in human history were taken advantage of after saving millions of lives
apistograma@reddit
What? You're calling Germans tolerant lol
PhoenixNightingale90@reddit
Dude everyone knows it’s not a good idea right now to be obviously Jewish in a Muslim neighborhood. Antisemitic crimes are on the rise.
apistograma@reddit
Everyone knows?
Why is antisemitism raising according to you?
Does Israel claiming Zionism and Judaism are the same and Jews support the genocide in Gaza be part of the problem in your opinion?
mstrgrieves@reddit
Because sectarian supremacist opinions are widespread in these populations and is a cause of, rather than a result of, the current conflict.
apistograma@reddit
Which populations? Israelis? Jews? Muslims?
mstrgrieves@reddit
Muslim populations in Europe.
apistograma@reddit
Not for European far righters and Israelis?
mstrgrieves@reddit
Are there Jewish or right wing neighborhoods in Europe where Muslims are unable to walk safely? I know a German-Iranian who is a big AfD supporter and while I despise his views, he is vocal about being accepted in these circles.
apistograma@reddit
So it's less dangerous than having literal neonazis in the German parliament?
I don't care much about your imaginary friend.
mstrgrieves@reddit
Both are issues, but you're pretending only one is. And ignoring that issue is the biggest possible gift to AfD
apistograma@reddit
The biggest gift to AfD is ignoring their fascism and focusing on Muslims which is what you're doing
mstrgrieves@reddit
If sane people aren't going to discuss a real problem, then voters will turn to insane people.
apistograma@reddit
So the AfD having neonazis in their ranks is not a real problem according to you
mstrgrieves@reddit
I explicitly said it is a problem. And that your dismissal is indicative of why they're gaining support.
Assassiiinuss@reddit
Why does this even matter at all? There are countless Muslim majority countries with objectively worse policies than Israel, that doesn't make it ok to attack random people because they share the same faith or ancestry. Were you also justifying islamophobic attacks a decade ago when the Islamic State was still around?
apistograma@reddit
Really? There are countless Muslim countries where they're enforcing genocide? I'd say it's Saudi Arabia and maybe Sudan.
Judging by your words you probably think Gaza is fine.
Assassiiinuss@reddit
The Syrian Government alone killed more than twice as many civilians than the overall death toll in the Israel Palestine conflict. In the entire conflict since 1948, all deaths included, civilian or military, on all sides.
apistograma@reddit
That would make 3 then?
And this means Israel is ok?
Please can you put yourself a clown mask already
Assassiiinuss@reddit
No, I'm saying it's completely irrelevant.
apistograma@reddit
Huh
grantelius@reddit
You’re trying so hard in so many comments and looking so pathetic in all of them.
apistograma@reddit
Come back when you're able to make an argument rather than being hostile in frustration
grantelius@reddit
Hmmm…no, dummy.
Britstuckinamerica@reddit
You have got to go to these places before you spout shit on the internet. Much of Berlin-Schöneberg, and Neukölln for example, are simply not places where you can be openly gay or proudly Jewish. If you go for yourself you'll find out why
apistograma@reddit
Do you think Israel is fueling this problem by claiming all Jews support the genocide in Gaza?
Britstuckinamerica@reddit
This was already a problem; of course that increased tensions but this didn't start being a dangerous area in October 2023
apistograma@reddit
But the news about antisemitism appeared after Oct 23. So what is happening here?
Britstuckinamerica@reddit
Please, just search "Antisemitismus Neukölln" and you will find incredible numbers of articles for a PART of a city. Here's a little list of some antisemitic events in Berlin that's filterable by year (Jahr). It's objectively incorrect that anti-Semitism appeared after October 2023
apistograma@reddit
My point is, why are we seeing an explosion in articles abroad about those cases of antisemitism if they existed before Oct 23.
I'm not saying they didn't happen. But why they've become a problem now rather than before.
MarineKing1337@reddit
„As early as 2013, Rabbi Daniel Alter from the Jewish community in Berlin pointed out on tagesschau.dethat, in addition to the danger from the right, there was also “strong anti-Semitism in the community with Turkish, Arab and Islamic migration backgrounds”. Entire neighborhoods have become no-go areas for Jews, where they must at least expect mobbing or verbal attacks.„
A German left wing media reporting: https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/juden-deutschland-antisemitismus-1.3921657
cytokine7@reddit
Because the police chief literally just said so? You're saying this is a completely anti arab conspiracy? They aren't even saying they are going to protect Jews/gays, just that they shouldn't go to these areas and expect safety.
But somehow it's discrimination against the majority group in these areas not the minority groups who can't safely go there?
Ornery-Feedback-7855@reddit
Nothing would happen
parallax_wave@reddit
Show me a single video of a police officer doing anything to a protester unprovoked. A single one.
Daryno90@reddit
I can’t tell if this is a joke or not
FantasticMacaron9341@reddit
That is not what we are talking about?
Hans_lilly_Gruber@reddit
Do you live in Berlin? Or is this just racist rethoric? Because I do and I literally saw a man orthodox jew with an Israeli flag walk around neukolnn a month after last year October'S attack. He was well alive. Not to deny that it might not be the safest thing to do, but it's also an inflammatory gesture that didn't receive any murderous spree.
Also, Berlin is the most gay friendly city in Germany. Again, you might get bad looks from religious fundamentalist, but there's no gay hunt in the streets
Cafuzzler@reddit
As a country, maybe. But dealing with far-right political parties isn't suddenly going to make Mulsim-majority areas in Berlin safe for LGBTQ+ people. If its unsafe then that needs to be publicly stated either way.
apistograma@reddit
I'm very suspicious of those arguments because 99% of the times are just trying to push a far right agenda.
They never bring out how European fascists attack Jews or how Israel is spreading antisemitism all over the world.
Cafuzzler@reddit
As a gay European I'm not very suspicious of it. People need to know where they will be safe.
hasdunk@reddit
what do you mean alleged? have you seen Muslim interaktiv's caliphate protest in Hamburg? sure, not all Muslims are Islamists, but Islamism is a growing problem.
apistograma@reddit
What do you think about one fourth of the German votes going for German fascism?
Would you place that as a larger problem, a similar problem, lower problem, or no problem at all?
Deepfire_DM@reddit
1/6 to 1/5 are voting fascists - currently not 1/4, fortunately
naidav24@reddit
The rise of the Afd is a bigger problem. So what? Most adult humans can hold more than one thought and be worried about more than one problem at any given time.
apistograma@reddit
Why is your country helping the far right then? They support Le Pen and the far right in my country which I know for a fact that has numerous amounts of antisemites in their ranks.
naidav24@reddit
Hello, I'm a person not a country. What's your question?
hasdunk@reddit
I didn't argue about AfD, my argument was just about your comment saying "alleged radical islamism", which is not, alleged.
Both are against the idea of liberal democracy, so I'm heavily against both. And the german parliament is on the way to ban the party anyway.
apistograma@reddit
So which one is more dangerous?
hasdunk@reddit
that's like saying which one is more dangerous, a lion or a tiger.
apistograma@reddit
So you think that a fascist group supported by 1/4 of all Germans is less dangerous?
hasdunk@reddit
I like how after reading my analogy, your conclusion is one is less dangerous than the other, and even specifying which one.
apistograma@reddit
So you claim a group that has significant political power is equally dangerous as one that has zero
joevarny@reddit
Except one is a reaction to another. If the billionaires didn't want lower wages enough to create the refugees welcome movement, the people wouldn't need to choose extremism to feed their families.
Gaslighting governments caused their own downfall, as sad as it is to say, but its not as if the vast majority didn't make their opinion known before the government chose to ignore the people, as usual.
ville_boy@reddit
Almost like the rise of Islamism in Europe leads to the rise of Far-right politicians as a reaction. Shocking, I know. The two problems are firmly intertwined.
parallax_wave@reddit
Afd is just a normal party, despite radical leftists like you trying to slander them because they’re not pro islamofascism.
apistograma@reddit
Mask off Speedrun
fajadada@reddit
A lot of that percentage is radical Islam support. You don’t get that?
apistograma@reddit
Which percentage?
fajadada@reddit
Of right wing afd vote . The 1/4 you stated.
apistograma@reddit
Wait. Are you claiming Muslims support AfD
fajadada@reddit
You don’t know Muslims support far right parties and groups in the west?
apistograma@reddit
Yes dude. Muslims loooooove the far right parties in Europe whose entire campaign is to demonize Muslims.
fajadada@reddit
The Muslims in the US voted for Trump because of Jewish support. Same for Germany . just because the German right hates immigrants that doesn’t mean the Muslim immigrants don’t identify with the racist right . They are the racist right everywhere else.
apistograma@reddit
When I'm in a being wrong competition and you're my rival
fajadada@reddit
Yep a afd politician just converted to Islam how ironic. And he’s still a party member.
marigip@reddit
I’d never defend the AfD in any capacity, but scapegoating minorities is not really an exclusively German problem lol
apistograma@reddit
Not really but Germans are silver medal here.
marigip@reddit
Is that like a Spanish idiom bc I’m not sure what you mean
apistograma@reddit
The joke is that Israel is gold
marigip@reddit
Ah ok well historically I’m sure we’re taking gold just for the contemporary situation I don’t think we even take silver within Europe - which is not to downplay the very real issues minorities still face within Germany but it feels like minimizing the situation in other places
apistograma@reddit
Nah I'd put you in first place in Europe for being the most Zionist country.
marigip@reddit
Maybe, just that we were talking about minority scapegoating and not zionism
mahemahe0107@reddit
Naw pretty much any Muslim majority country takes the gold in oppressing minorities these days.
Technoxgabber@reddit
Bro you live in India..
mahemahe0107@reddit
I live in America but am of Indian decent. And India has had Muslim and Sikh leaders. Meanwhile Pakistan bans Hindus from having office, Bangladesh is backsliding into a fundamentalist regime, Afghanistan is under Taliban rule.
Technoxgabber@reddit
Caste system still exists..
Bro I am Indian too living in Canada.
Acting better than others when we both know the prejudice and bigotry that exists in India is laughable.
I know you hate Muslims but glass houses
mahemahe0107@reddit
Caste system is bad and needs to be abolished. I personally don’t adhere to it. And yea considering India hasn’t exterminated its minorities I think it can take some moral superiority. Especially when most Muslim countries of all but eradicated their native non Muslim populations.
Technoxgabber@reddit
Okay you are just blatantly misinformed and deluded.
Good luck mate..
"Personally don't adhere to it"
mahemahe0107@reddit
You’re probably the misinformed one if you’re defining Islamists 🤷🏾♂️.
Technoxgabber@reddit
No one is defending anyone I am just pointing out when you are the rape capital of the world with the caste system don't try to feel superior.
mahemahe0107@reddit
India has a rape problem but it ain’t even the worst in its own neighborhood. Pakistan literally has rape as a form of legal punishment, Afghanistan and Bangladesh are also worse. People just don’t care because they expect it from them at this point
Technoxgabber@reddit
Man so you don't think that's worse????
A supposed developing country with educated population is same level of rape as a "backwards country with islamists"
You are defending the dumbest point here..
mahemahe0107@reddit
It’s not the same level though.
worfres_arec_bawrin@reddit
So is it acceptable to you that LGBT people cannot walk around parts of their own country?
apistograma@reddit
Please tell me where I said that.
What is unacceptable is that you pretend to care for gays but it's just an excuse to hate on Muslims.
If you ignore or even support the far right with arguments like these you're not LGTB friendly you're a fascist in disguise
worfres_arec_bawrin@reddit
Your comment sure gave that impression but ok. If you don’t think it’s acceptable for that to happen to LGBT folks in their own country, then the radical Islamism would not be “alleged,” would it? It would be real. It’s not scapegoating when there’s an actual problem. Pretending that a REAL problem doesn’t exist only gives AfD more sound bites.
You show your true colors with a statement like that. I’ve been protesting for gay rights for 20 years, but nice try. Calling out radical Islam is not hating on Muslims. Just like I’m 100% sure you’d agree that being anti Zionist doesn’t make you an anti semite. Right?
Anyone with a brain would agree that it’s unacceptable for citizens to be barred from areas of their own country due to immigrant communities refusal to abide by the values and laws of their new home. You do not help your cause when you refuse to grapple with the problem of Muslim extremism and try to handwave it away.
apistograma@reddit
Too much text read it diagonally.
My point is that if you think you're helping gays or anyone by feeding this narrative you're a fool.
Read the comments here they're mostly fascists trying to get support using islamophobia. Those are the people that will fuck the country for real
worfres_arec_bawrin@reddit
You know what would be an easy way to take this ENTIRE talking point away from the fascists? By making sure LGBT people are able to freely move about their own country. That should be SIMPLE.
Just because fascists and AfD are a problem doesn’t mean you ignore an obvious issue. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Thats part of the reason they’ve attracted 1/4 of the voting block ffs. People claim Islamophobia to justify instead of dealing with unacceptable behavior, then you end up with this scenario gift wrapped with a bow for the AfD to use.
apistograma@reddit
That's false, you're just some braindead liberal and that's why you lost against trump.
You don't engage with the arguments of fascists you call them out.
worfres_arec_bawrin@reddit
You can’t figure out if I’m a fascist in disguise or a brain dead liberal lol. Speaking of brain dead you’ve put forth a very convincing argument, thanks for sharing.
gazing_the_sea@reddit
Alleged? Come on man, don't be delusional...
apistograma@reddit
How many radical islamists do you reckon there are in Germany?
redditing_away@reddit
Too many. Next question.
apistograma@reddit
Are they more numerous than German fascists?
redditing_away@reddit
No, but you've got about 40 k for the far right, compared to about 27 k Islamists.
Given the far smaller share of Muslims it is quite something to see so many of them, don't you think? All numbers straight from the Verfassungsschutz (our inland intelligence).
apistograma@reddit
Well then you claim that 25% of supporters for AfD are not fascist sympathisers?
redditing_away@reddit
What are you on about? If you try to claim that every supporter of the AFD is a fascist, then no, that's bullshit. Their voting base is based more on populism and protest than solidified fascism.
8% of the population have a solidified far right point of view, which you could label as Nazis and fascists. Maybe slightly more, but definitely not a quarter of the population. Ironically the biggest far right organisation is made up of "foreigners," the Turkish Grey Wolf's .
Nice of you not even mentioning the discrepancy in the number of mainstream Germans & far right people and Arabs/Muslims & Islamists in the previous post though.
ApollyonDS@reddit
Islamophobes have made muslims into a monolithic force hellbent on taking over the Europe apparently. Sounds very similar to something a certain Austrian painter said about Jews.
Just ignore the fact that only 6% of EU's population are immigrants and that includes Ukrainan refugees.
Beagle_Knight@reddit
Are you saying the police chief is lying?
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
No, he's just being blown out of all proportions
Beagle_Knight@reddit
Why?
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
Because that's how the far-right media strategy works online.
They take any news they can work with and then post it over and over and over until the news is posted everywhere and endlessly discussed, which then gives the impression that the issue is catastrophic and extremely dire.
In most accounts the police references a few specific blocks. It's not like all of Germany is being overrun with radical muslims conspiring to replace the German constitution with Sharia... Which you might believe from all the discussions
Beagle_Knight@reddit
What part of what she says is “overblown “?
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
Note the grammar: Being blown.
Others are the ones that post this for mass outrage and rabblerousing to make the situation the police chief describes seem far more catastrophic and threatening than it is.
Beagle_Knight@reddit
Barbara Slowik said: “There are areas of the city, we need to be perfectly honest here, where I would advise people who wear a kippah or are openly gay to be more careful“
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
Yes. And read the debates in this thread and elsewhere. People think this statement makes it perfectly OK and rational to vote for neonazis
That is my point
Beagle_Knight@reddit
That on them and doesn’t change the fact that what she says is true. The fact that other use it to disgustingly support neonazis is a different matter.
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
You have not once actually addressed my point.
I argue that the REACTION to her statement is wholly overblown by design, not that HER statement is overblown about the situation in a few cityblocks
Beagle_Knight@reddit
It’s not overblown, this should have zero tolerance and trying to diminish its impact because the right will use it is extremely cowardly
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
It is pretty fucking overblown to vote for a party that wants to remove fundamental liberties... just because there are aliberal groups in a Berlin cityblock
I'm even going to say that it is the very example of over reacting
Beagle_Knight@reddit
So we should ignore antisemitism and bigotry because of what neo nazis might say?
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
You know this is a moron argument and that it has nothing to do with this situation.
You do not vote for fascists because you are upset about aliberal poeole, för if you do you have conpletely lost the plot. It is as simple as that.
Beagle_Knight@reddit
Never said you should vote for one, what I’m saying is that you shouldn’t try to diminish antisemitism and bigotry and they should be squashed.
apistograma@reddit
The police being biased?
Are you crazy, that never happened
Beagle_Knight@reddit
Can you disprove what she is saying
apistograma@reddit
Can you prove I'm not Netanyahu's nephew?
Beagle_Knight@reddit
You made the claim, can you back it up?
And why are you trying so hard to change what is being discussed?
apistograma@reddit
But I did. Aren't you seeing my message?
Beagle_Knight@reddit
Nope, we are discussing about lgbt+ and Jewish people having to hide their identity in Arab neighborhoods, while you are trying to change it to the AfD.
apistograma@reddit
I have addressed my points in a message. Can't you see it?
RespectMyPronoun@reddit
Police...lying? Now I've heard everything!
Beagle_Knight@reddit
So you are saying she is lying?
palidix@reddit
And Muslims have called any critics islamophobia to avoid criticism. But read their text a bit and you'll see how hateful it can get. Intolerance shouldn't be tolerated.
When a significant part of the population is conditioned to not even doubt about very problematic ideas, it is a problem. We shouldn't turn a blind eye to it. To quote a few: the prophet marrying a 6yo, slavery being normal (but under some condition so it's fine, right?), death being an okay sentence for apostate, jews deserving death,... Look at how many "moderate" Muslim reacted to terrorists killing for a drawing. I can't even count how many "moderate" Muslims I've seen considering drawing and killing multiple human beings as equally bad things.
Why should we fear fascism and criticise it strongly but be scared of speaking against such ideas. They can both lead to similarly bad things. No, Europe won't turn into Afghanistan, obviously. But even one step in this direction is unacceptable.
Resorting to the islamophobic accusation all the time is not helping anyone. It's only trying to protect Muslim like if they were children not being able to handle critical thinking. Which is not protecting them at all in the end
GameSensation@reddit
Atleast 25.000
apistograma@reddit
That seems rather low in a 80 million country. Way lower than the amount of fascists for sure
Devilz3@reddit
Probably a lot judging by world standards
apistograma@reddit
More than German fascists that hold 25% of the vote?
GermanDumbass@reddit
First of all, yes germany has a problem with islamophobe people. Second, you make it seem like this is a germany only problem, when europe as a whole, especially eastern europe, is very islamophobe these days. And third, you say "It can't be Jews..." implying either, that there is still a very big antisemitic problem, but germany cant blame the jews "again", which there isnt, just because you only hear the AfD and extreme right spout nonesense on twitter, doesnt mean all of germany thinks that way.
Or you are implying, that germany as a whole supports "the jews" regardless of their actions, when we practially cut military funding for the Netanjahu regime, which I assume is who you actually mean by "the jews".
And finally, it also rubs me the wrong way, that you generalise "the jews" as if they are one homogenious group, which they clearly arent, are you talking about Netanjahu supporters, orthodox jews or the normal not radical person that happens to be jewish?
This comment is extremely ignorant towards germans and jewish people. And if you truly think you represented germany good in your comment, you need to touch some grass and talk to some germans.
apistograma@reddit
You made like a million assumptions from a 5 line comment.
GermanDumbass@reddit
Excuse me? You framed all of Germany to be antisemitic, islamophobe and racist? And you dare to talk to me about making assumptions?
apistograma@reddit
Idk in Germany, but 25% is not all of them, just 1/4. Maybe it's different in Aryan maths.
GermanDumbass@reddit
Do I have to spell it out for you to understand, where you generalized all of germany into having the same opinion as 19% of people that have voted? ( general election poll survey, most recent one projected AfD at19% )
And now you accuse me of being a nz, who hurt you? Touch some grass please.
apistograma@reddit
I'm sorry for being offensive towards Germany, it's clear that you worry more about your public image than about solving the issues in your country. Which is the most German centrist take ever.
GermanDumbass@reddit
I aknowledged that germany has a islamophobic problem in the first line I wrote to your coment. When did I say I dont want to solve the issue? Are you this dense, do you not understand nuanced takes? Do you think just because I dont want people to take about germany as if everyone is a racist, I dont think there is a problem? Do you think there is only black and white to people? Because that is certainly how you act.
When someone is defaming germany, I am here to defend germany anytime and if someone wants to have a conversation about the islamophobic problem or antisemitic problem in germany, I am also here to talk about that. But I wont sit here and pretend like all of germany is racist and bigoted.
apistograma@reddit
I said it's just a huge minority so idk why you're so pissed like are you happy with you having a sizeable population sympathetic with the far right or what
GermanDumbass@reddit
Are you stupid or sth, here is you framing all of germany to be that "minority"?
yiang29@reddit
Really ironic coming from someone with a Spanish flag considering your history towards Jews and Muslims.
apistograma@reddit
Well technically that happened before Spain or the flag even existed.
yiang29@reddit
The cherry on the cake being Francisco Franco
apistograma@reddit
Who was supported by Germany, the US. And Israel is supporting the far right party in Spain who idolizes Franco.
Feel free to call out antisemitism in Spain as much as you want. The fact that it was tolerated that Franco was a literal antisemite but the international community protected him says everything about how the West is morally corrupt.
yiang29@reddit
Funny how when it’s in your country you take no responsibility and blame outside influences but not for Germany. There’s a strong sense of hypocrisy in all your comments
apistograma@reddit
Well idk if you're under the impression that I had a position of power during Franco's regime. I wasn't even born.
I'm calling out (some) Germans for still being trash in 2024.
yiang29@reddit
Glass houses my tapas eating friend
Tinhetvin@reddit
Things like islamism are driving people towards the AfD. The rise of islamism and the AfD are two sides of the same issue. Germany is becoming increasingly unsafe for Jews and gays, that is fact, and its because of Islam.
EH1987@reddit
Why do you think muslim immigrants come to Europe in such large numbers? Could it have something to do with centuries of imperialism destroying their homes?
OutsideFlat1579@reddit
The areas that are the most supportive of AfD have the least amount of immigration. It’s fearmongering, not reality.
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
Nothing is driving people towards the AfD.
Facists are simply going to support their facist party.
Nothing in Islamism makes facism a natural or good solution, that's just a convenient excuse to believe in simplicity in a complex reality.
apistograma@reddit
What.
So you're blaming Islam (the entirety of the religion) for the rise of German fascism.
Can you be more islamophobic please. Not Netanyahu levels yet
cutlarr@reddit
The AFD getting 1/4 of the votes is exactly cause of radical Islamists and migration into our welfare system, if the problem had been addressed sooner as many Scandinavian countries did it wouldn't have happened, they killed the fast rise of the right in their countries with harsh migration policies. Your whataboutism is quite hilarious, its not a scapegoat when many areas are nogo areas cause of them and when our crime statistics show that people from countries like Syria and Afghanistan are vastly overrepresented in violent crimes, group-rapes and such. Cope harder
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
I'd say it's because people are willing to vote for facsists, and nothing else. Sure, anyone can try to rationalize it, but if you are a German and vote for facists there are simply no excuses.
Happy-Bad-7226@reddit
Maybe that’s the reason peoppe are voting AfD?? The mental gymnastics is insane
apistograma@reddit
So you sympathize with people who support neonazis?
Happy-Bad-7226@reddit
What?? 😂😂 When did I say that what kind of question is that 😭😭😭😭
apistograma@reddit
You write laugh emoji but you down vote me at the same time
Happy-Bad-7226@reddit
That wasn’t me but there, I gave you another
ralts13@reddit
If you're worried about AfD things a huge concern. It would just give them a target to blame for any problems they're facing.
Exostrike@reddit
Looks at the source, oh it's gbnews that means it's mostly junk/extremely biased.
Seriously on r/ukpolitics they are infamous for being being far right envelope pushers
mdedetrich@reddit
Nice try but this is being reported in local German media by outlets of various leanings.
I mean the article is directly quoting the Police Commissioner, its not lying.
mork212@reddit
They moan about gbnews being junk and biased then listen to the bbc
lightningbadger@reddit
We really comparing GBnews to the BBC?
mork212@reddit
Yep
lightningbadger@reddit
Ok well ateasr try not to let the dumb spread to anyone else
mork212@reddit
I'll leave the dumb for the IDE people
wewew47@reddit
Are you for real? All news outlets have bias but to try and make out like BBC is more sensationalised and biased than gbnews is fucking mental
mdedetrich@reddit
When it comes to the topic of the middle east its hard to argue that the BCC is not biased
wewew47@reddit
That is the exactly opposite of what I said.
I said all news orgs are biased but BBC is not at all comparable to gbnews. I did not say BBC are not biased.
DanDan1993@reddit
Would you rather the news media downplay terrorism?
Or the news media commission a report on their bias, and then not publishing it?
I agree both are bad, which is why "attacking" the news media who published the article and not what's written in the article is always dumb in my opinion.
wewew47@reddit
Where did I say that?
Once again, because reading comprehension is abysmal here apparently, I have not once said BBC news are unbiased. I actually don't particularly like the BBCs news coverage very much but to put it on par with gb news is just absurd.
As for your first link - the BBC referring to war crimes committed by Israel more often than to war crimes committed by hamas isn't anti israel bias. It's because Israel is currently ongoing with its war crimes. Obviously they'd get mentioned more because they've been alleged to have committed more. Same with the other keywords they used like genocide. It's a bit of a nonsense report tbh. The other aspects about specific BBC members having an antiisrael bias stand up a bit more but the core of the article simply doesn't. Actually quite disappointed to see that reported by haaretz so uncritically as they're usually quite good.
Your second link is just a Wikipedia page about an unreleased report so not sure what there is for me to comment on as the report is unreleased.
I haven't attacked gb news. I had simply just responded to someone claiming BBC news was more biased than gb news. That is blatantly untrue.
DanDan1993@reddit
Sorry if it sounded or looked if I accused you of the things I wrote. the last bit is totally an opinion by me and not an accusation against you. I just tried to added more context to the chain.
I might have phrased pretty much everything wrong. :) sorry!
Mysticalnarbwhal2@reddit
BBC, not BCC btw.The person you're replying to said word for word that the BBC is biased, so what the hell are you talking about?
lightningbadger@reddit
People say this but both sides seem to think the BBC is too biased towards the other
Theodore_Buckland_@reddit
Same on r/worldnews that sub only serves as an outlet for Israeli propaganda
redditing_away@reddit
Here's the original source. Berliner Zeitung
mstrgrieves@reddit
Someday soon, the same warning will be made about ex-muslims, Muslim minority sects, hindus, and even Christians. Sane politicians who refuse to address this issue are doing little but handing votes to AfD.
mahemahe0107@reddit
UK conservatives literally had a Hindu PM but alright. Meanwhile Muslim countries ban non Muslims from holding any office at all
JackAndrewWilshere@reddit
Which muslim countries?
mahemahe0107@reddit
Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Somalia, Syria, Malaysia, Jordan, Algeria, etc. Google is free my guy. And that’s just where it’s enforced by law, a majority Muslim country would never vote for a non Muslim leader anyways
meister2983@reddit
This isn't true in either Malaysia or Jordan. Not sure what you are talking about
mahemahe0107@reddit
In Malaysia it is illegal for a non Muslim to be PM. Same with Jordan https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2014/07/22/in-30-countries-heads-of-state-must-belong-to-a-certain-religion/
meister2983@reddit
The Head of State is a symbolic position in many countries. It's a constitutional monarch in Malaysia; the real power is with the PM.
Jordan is an absolute monarchy, so this law is kinda irrelevant as well.
In both countries, plenty of non-Muslims hold office. Ironically, as your link shows, Muslim-majority Lebanon requires their head of state to be Christian
JackAndrewWilshere@reddit
Has there ever been a non-christian president of the US? France? Germany?
mahemahe0107@reddit
I like how you left out the UK, and Macron is atheist, and Olaf Scholz is unaffiliated with any religion. So besides the US, yes. And even they have non Christians as governors, senators, and representatives.
JackAndrewWilshere@reddit
I love how you say 'muslim countries are more repressive' and think you are making a very smart point.
We all know that, the material conditions for that phenomenon is what is important and people like you fail every time when trying to analyse it.
What i was saying is that not every muslim is radical obviously and while it is bad that you have restrictions on political participation, the dominant religion being represented in every coubtry is nothing special
naidav24@reddit
Once in my life I would like to see someone who says other people fail in analyzing "material conditions" actually analyze them. Go ahead, we are all waiting to hear your scholarly opinion about the macro-economics of the middle east.
mahemahe0107@reddit
What exactly are the material conditions that justify Muslim majority countries being so repressive. I’d love to hear your justifications. India is 80% Hindu but has had Sikh and Muslim leaders. Why are you trying to excuse Muslims countries for being opposed to minority representation?
mstrgrieves@reddit
Exactly right. The far right Swedish Democrats have one of the most diverse candidate lists in the country as well.
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
Don't make the mistake to believe that those people have any power in the party. Sverigedemokraterna is exclusively run a gang of four ex-nazis who run everything top-down, and likely have so much kompromat on one another that they have to work together. Any minority that join the party will never ever be able to challenge that hierarchy.
Happy-Bad-7226@reddit
No it won’t
VicenteOlisipo@reddit
This article or memes based on it have been appearing all over European and News subs today, quite impressive how quickly spread. Also, man, OP posts about Iran a lot.
lightningbadger@reddit
It's like a realtime case study into how media is be used to manipulate perceptions
Find one thing that seemingly affirms one side at a glance and blow it the fuck up everywhere
dgradius@reddit
I mean, it’s a pretty bad direct quote from a city official.
Not sure how much nuance and context would help here.
VicenteOlisipo@reddit
She also says crimes against Jewish people are "few and far in between", which completely contradicts the implication of the headline that Jewish people live in fear of the scary Arabs while the police has given up protecting them.
TheUncouthMagician@reddit
[Esprit du corps] medium - success
Good job... harry
danyyyel@reddit
Yep, exactly as what happened in Amsterdam. It seems it is organised propaganda now.
benjaminjaminjaben@reddit
people thirsty for rage fuel gonna propagate the spread.
cocobisoil@reddit
Our way of life is under attack and the 'not bastards' are way behind. Either stupid or paid popular media is awash with these accounts eh
Atheizm@reddit
Germany admits it has lost control of the violent Jew-hating criminals in Berlin and instead pre-emptively blames the victims of future assaults they may suffer.
Synsano@reddit
They attack the victims or information source because they cannot attack the argument. Mass migration isn't working and they're running out of groups to blame.
There's also an element of identity politics they cannot divorce themselves from. As someone who has spent time in the Islamic regions of the world, it is undeniably a culture in direct opposition to western values, particularly in how they value (or don't) women and girls. Realization that the "diversity is our strength" mantra as we know it is false would shake too many other of their foundation beliefs. Cultural homogeneity has always been an evident predictor of a societies success.
CastleElsinore@reddit
A German friend says she has been advised not to go where there will be large amounts of jews "for safety reasons"
Because that's where we are at now
lightningbadger@reddit
Even worse, the Jew hating lot seem to be running for government over there
moondes@reddit
If I advise you to lock your car, am I victim blaming people who leave their cars unlocked?
Pale-Photograph-8367@reddit
Wow, I suddenly feel better about contributing to bombing their population and children regardless of their gender, religion, or sexual orientation. Thank you
DawnPixie@reddit
What are you on about?
CastleElsinore@reddit
"The jews in Germany deserve it because Israel" eyeroll
Latter_Security9389@reddit
This sub is funny;
Someone says: Arabs/Muslims living in the West have similar tolerance problems for Jews and LGBTQ as most Muslim or Arab countries. Evident by expulsion of Jews and inhumane laws for LGBTQ.
This sub: no, you are wrong, immigrants completely change when they go to a new country. They suddenly start becoming more tolerant of the groups they didn't like in their home countries. You are fear mongering, minorities are scared, your data is flawed!
lightningbadger@reddit
Problem is we've had this whole tirade for
-The Irish -Jews -The Polish -Indians -East Asians
And now we're supposed to believe this is "different" somehow from those mistakes the right has racked up over and over?
Latter_Security9389@reddit
This is not coming from the right though, the strongest voices for these concerns are the left leaning people who came to the West for more freedom. Painting everyone who brings up these legit concerns as far right or racist is wrong and only empowers the extremists on all sides.
Happy-Bad-7226@reddit
You can’t make it up
MarineKing1337@reddit
It’d so absurd 😂
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Vaders_Colostomy_Bag@reddit
Can't wait for leftists to start accusing people of "bigotry" for not "respecting the culture" of migrants whose culture involves beating up LGBT people and Jews.
gravygrowinggreen@reddit
are the leftists in the room with you right now?
Vaders_Colostomy_Bag@reddit
They are, actually. Can't escape the "globalize the intifada" left on this sub.
gravygrowinggreen@reddit
It just seems like you spend a lot of time bringing up "leftists" in conversations apropos of nothing.
Vaders_Colostomy_Bag@reddit
Gee, it's almost like leftists are the ones defending the ongoing Islamic colonization of the West or something.
gravygrowinggreen@reddit
Is the ongoing islamic colonization of the west in the room with you right now?
BarkleEngine@reddit
And if you join a political movement with the goal of addressing and reversing the policies which lead to this situation you will be declared the criminal.
Reasonable-Trifle307@reddit
The left wing doesn't really exist, everyone is a right wing fundamentalist zealot. Just side with the better right wingers who are from the west rather than the Islamists.
ZealousidealClub4119@reddit
This is the same article that was removed here by a mod citing rule 2.something: low quality.
It also is not original, as was the other post here which had an MSN version of the article, which was originally posted in the Telegraph.
axeteam@reddit
"The channel is described as right-leaning on political issues. It has been found to have breached Ofcom's standards on several occasions. As of 12 November 2023, it was the subject of 14 investigations into its compliance with Ofcom's due impartiality rules, including cases of potential breaches of the rule that apart from in exceptional circumstances, politicians should not act as newsreaders, reporters or interviewers."