RUSSIAN DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS UKRAINE HIT RUSSIA WITH ATACMS MISSILES - RIA

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bigntazt@reddit

Nuclear War by Annie Jacobsen. Read it and realize how ill equipped everyone is to deal with the realities of nukes popping off.

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Ghostwoods@reddit

There is no 'dealing' with nuclear war.

There is only quick death or slow death.

Personally, if it goes nuclear, I'm hoping for a ground zero blast.

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bigntazt@reddit

Dealing with nuclear war, deescalate, mitigate, obliterate. We are just speed running it for se reason though, and it's absolutely crazy how many reddit bots seem to promote total annihilation

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Papabear3339@reddit

Honestly i hate where this is going.

Russia might be planning on nuking Kiev after Trump takes office...

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

I don't know why the down votes this site makes no sense to me anymore.

Trump was elected to avoid World war 3 and he will do that at any cost necessary even the destruction of Ukraine.

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Due_Satisfaction2167@reddit

Trump’s far more likely to cause WW3 than to prevent it. Trump-style appeasement doesn’t stop a war, it just makes the war larger once it starts anyway.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

Apparently he just got lucky his first term..... By your logic.

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Due_Satisfaction2167@reddit

Why do you think all these world powers started positioning themselves to take advantage after he got elected the first time?

It takes time to get your country prepared to invade another. They were anticipating the chance to use it in a second term, but COVID threw everyone’s plans into a shredder.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

That's absurd. People seem to forget Ukraine was invaded under Obama.... And there was no response.

That was the green light.

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Due_Satisfaction2167@reddit

Ukraine was invaded under Obama, and they implement very harsh sanctions on Russia.

Trump came to office and immediately tried to end those sanctions, and it took an act of Congress to keep them going.

Trump’s first impeachment was about him misappropriating funds to deny military aid to Ukraine.

He has repeatedly gone on record taking a disgustingly sycophantic position with respect to Putin, and has more or less promised to bring an end to any resistance to Russian aggression, including threats to dismantle NATO.

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123ihavetogoweeeeee@reddit

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No_Science_3845@reddit

Trumps a retard, but he already had a hostile power use WMDs under his watch and it was an embarrassment, he's not gonna want to go 2 for 2.

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flying_wrenches@reddit

NATO article 5

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm#:~:text=Collective%20defence%20means%20that%20an,of%20the%20North%20Atlantic%20Treaty.

Nothing will happen. Nothing ever does.

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es_crow@reddit

why are you in prepper intel if nothing ever happens

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flying_wrenches@reddit

Civil unrest, natural disasters. Supply chain disruptions.

Things far more common than global thermonuclear war.. don’t you remember war games?

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es_crow@reddit

I see. Most of the time I see the "nothing ever happens" claim made to reference all sorts of catastrophe. Either way, while civil unrest and natural disasters are more common, you must admit we've been getting closer to a major war every month. throughout history, peace is the anomaly.

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J-E-S-S-E-@reddit

“U.S.” strikes Russia from Ukraine territory. There corrected it for you

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schlongtheta@reddit

This is the correct take. I feel like this sub has been overrun with what can only be described as US liberals (vote blue democrats specifically) who are cheerleading WW III. John Mearsheimer explained the backstory behind Ukraine/Russia and predicted the exact future outcome we're seeing today, back in 2015 after the US coup in Ukraine. NATO expansion + US coup in Ukraine = very dangerous situation that benefits nobody on planet Earth. Used to be in the old days, people were wary of nuclear war and did what they could to avoid it. Odd to see so much nihilistic enthusiasm for it.

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MayorWestt@reddit

If you are looking for someone to blame this on, i would suggest putin is the most responsible for ordering his army to invade their neighbor

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

Yes he is, but that in no way negates our responsibility.

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Snakepli55ken@reddit

What?

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

Everyone involved has responsibility. That goes for any conflict. Despite the fact that Russia invaded, the powerful countries arming Ukraine are aware of the intersection of what is Putins sabre rattling, and what is a system actioning as designed. These are not small incinsequential decisions.

The more complex weaponry requires western people to oversee its use. This is escalatory by definition. Obviously, so is what Russia is doing, but we need to have eyes open as we all sleepwalk towards eachother. We have known that respnding to Russias escalation with our own would see them turn to theur allies for help, and commit war crimes on a larger scale in Ukraine. We can say, but they started it, and that would be correct. However, that does not relieve us of the responsibility to forecast the results of our actions.

If we guage it to be worth it in a coast/benefit analysis, then ok. There will be things that do not pass that test. We will see when we get there.

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MayorWestt@reddit

We aren't sleepwalking, we are all aware of what has been happening the last 2 years. Russians killing and raping their neighbor while we sit and decide if we have the balls to end this or not.

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

Thats the short lens yes, and it is a true snap shot. However, I was referring to decades of lost opportunity, and the other things we could have done. It is not a binary either, we could do much along side showing balls. Some statesmanship along with it would help.

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MayorWestt@reddit

We have tried being friends with russia, look where it has gotten us

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

No we have not. I was not talking about being friends either. I am talking about statesmanship. That is why I said statesmanship. There are concerning differences between now and the cold war in terms of leadership, politics, channels of communication, complexity of systems etc.

All I can say is despite the obvious criminality of Russia, Sun Tzu would roll his eyes at the west.

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MayorWestt@reddit

Not sure what you think we could accomplish with statemanship? Any agreement with the Russians isn't worth the paper they are written on. The will lie to get what they want, how do you negotiate with someone who doesn't who can't be trusted?

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

Ive been saying for decades that we need to do this. I agree that a single attempt now in isolation is not likely of itself to be successful, but that is not what I am advocating for. For the record, everybody lies. The U.S is not exactly trustworthy either. Russia has no reason to trust them.

To bring Sun Tzu into this I would say that an enemy who wants something clear, is predictable. The enormous offramp he encourages is easier when dealing with a predictable enemy. This offramp btw, is the only thing we have not tried. I am not saying we should trust Russia. I am saying we need leaders who know how to play chess.

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MayorWestt@reddit

Do you honestly think nobody tried this before?

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

Ive been watching very closely since the Soviet fall. If the last thirty years counts as trying, I'm out.

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MayorWestt@reddit

Well we did sign a bunch of treaties and agreements when the soviet union fell and when we convinced ukraine to give up thier nukes. We all know how that worked out. Maybe it's time we teach russia a lesson they won't forget

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

Giving up the nukes was a huge mistake. I remember it well. Regarding the treaties etc, that was the left hand. The right hand undermined the efforts at the same time. This was all politics and posturing. Encouraging Ukraine to give up nukes was a similar double sided posture that more reflected security interests of the west than that of Ukraine. This was never really about Ukraine. If we gave 2 shits we would have encouraged them to keep them.

Regarding the teach Russia a lesson bit, we need to be careful about this. We might succeed, we may not. Ukraine will suffer though. A big lesson for Russia will mean suffering and death in Ukraine. I feel like I am the only one I know who believed Putin when he said he would sooner see Ukraine destroyed than in NATO. I remember watching Bush in 08. I wanted Merkel to tell him to shut his mouth and sit down.

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MayorWestt@reddit

I don't see how us driving russia out of ukraine would be worst than what russia is currently doing to them

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

Really? Why do you think weve been so slow to provide weaponry? That has been a huge concern from day 1

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MayorWestt@reddit

This is like talking to a bot. How would it be worse than what is currently happening?

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

A bot? Ok fine. So from the very beginning analysts have calculated tjat the only way to have Russia kicked out by Ukraine militarily is to end up in a situation where Russia losing badly, pushed back to the border with vadt amounts of western weaponry following them. This would likely mean large numbers of mercenaries aswell.

They judge that the fighting would likely not end there. By the time Russia got to that point, China wpuld be involved like the U.S is, and nrth Korea would be all in. Not only does this mean everything and the kitchen sink would be thrown at Ujraine, but the idea of an imminent Russian implosion would be when Russia uses a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine.

The U.S is worried that this is when Putin finds a window to fall from, and we then have a group of warlords compwting for the nuclear arsenal, and his job. It is agreed that most of the hawks around Putin would be worse than him, and more erratic. The U.S has said at certain stages that this is why they are going slowly. Russia is not going to be beaten by Ukraine and shake hands and say jolly good show have a nice day. Theyll rain death down on them first. There is a chance that a controlled implosion of Russia could work, but I have zero faith in that.

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MayorWestt@reddit

It would be an air campaign, we tell russias they have a few days to leave ukraine before we clear them out. After the deadline, every Russian asset still in ukraine starts getting taken out in airstrikes. China and Nk decide after seeing what's happening decide to abandon rusia. Russia is forced back within thier border.

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

Doctrinally that would not work, would not be contained.

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MayorWestt@reddit

What are you talking about?

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

If western air power is going to do that, doctrinally they must destroy that which is coming at them. Guess where that is coming from. This idea of border integrity as we slap Russia out of Ukraine is about as silly as whats going on in the middle east.

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MayorWestt@reddit

So we shoot down any Russian jet attacking Ukranian land or our jets. Russias can't even begin to compete with us in the air.

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

That is exactly and precisely why we said no to Ukraine about the closing of the sky, and they shut up about it. It would mean air and missile war with Russia.

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MayorWestt@reddit

No shit

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

Right, this is why it will not be contained.

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

You are not listening. Doctrinally we would destroy their air base.

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MayorWestt@reddit

Sounds great, what's the problem

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

I do not know how old you are but I think you have nothing to say.

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

Do you remember the no fly zone situation? Some of these issues came up then. There are reasons why that was a firm no.

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No_Science_3845@reddit

Parliament voting your president out of office after he murders a number of your civilians then flees the country in disgrace under the protection of a hostile power isn't a coup.

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J-E-S-S-E-@reddit

These people are either government bots or fools.

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Snakepli55ken@reddit

Yes just let the invaders take whatever they want that’s the answer…/s

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Ornery-Sheepherder74@reddit

COOL THANKS FOR THE UPDATE, HOPE YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY - ME

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fecal_encephalitis@reddit

WOTS YA NAME?

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Aromatic-Deer3886@reddit

SLAVA UKRAINI

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Spartanfred104@reddit

WHY ARE WE YELLING?

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Naive_Thanks_2932@reddit

SAY THAT AGAIN I CANT HEAR YOU

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HotdogsArePate@reddit

THAT AGAIN I CAN'T HEAR YOU

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MagickalFuckFrog@reddit

I KILLED A MAN WITH A ~~TRIDENT~~ ATACMS

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JagBak73@reddit

https://i.redd.it/n7vmtlntgx1e1.gif

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hruebsj3i6nunwp29@reddit

WHAT?

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4r4nd0mninj4@reddit

NOT MY CABBAGES!

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Breath_Deep@reddit

LOUD NOISES!!

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sirlearnzalot@reddit

HUH? ‘WIRES BE MELONS?’

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theRealLevelZero@reddit

GOBBLESS

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

UK PM STARMER'S SPOKESPERSON: IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY THE NUCLEAR DOCTRINE MOVE FROM MOSCOW IS THE LATEST EXAMPLE OF IRRESPONSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE SEEN FROM THE DEPRAVED RUSSIA GOVERNMENT

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Flat-Jacket-9606@reddit

If we bow down because NuCleAr missiles then, Russia can for the most part take another country and use nukes in response.

It’s not great, but what do you do when someone threatens nukes while taking another country. What time of message do you think sitting out sends?

So yeah let er rip tater chip. Fuck Russia

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WreckitWrecksy@reddit

I mean, what am I gonna do about it. I just hope it lands directly ontop off me so I don't have to deal with rotting to death.

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Boring-Philosophy-46@reddit

A lot of people are depressed due to lack of prospects. If your entire income is going to rent with spouse/roommates, transportation and food and primary necessities, and it's looking like it's only going to get worse and not better, you can never hope to retire, if you get sick you lose everything, can't afford kids, don't have time/energy/money for hobbies, what is there to live for?

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IrwinJFinster@reddit

Video gaming.

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TheBushidoWay@reddit

Also drinking and drugs

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IrwinJFinster@reddit

All at the same time? Yes, please.

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TheBushidoWay@reddit

And sex if you can get it

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mortalitylost@reddit

I'd argue social media is the worst. Their algorithms literally do statistics to figure out what is most likely to get you to stay in the app, and that usually is rage and fear bait that specifically scares you.

Why is it that Democrats always hear about how many kids died in a school shooting, and conservatives don't? Algorithms figured out that's what scares them. Why is it that conservatives will talk about some child somewhere that identifies as a squirrel and uses a litterbox? That weird as fuck story is only told to people who will keep reading and talk about it and engage with it, not those that laugh and skip it. Engagement with fear drives the stories you hear, literally the way most people perceive reality and the world around them.

We have ended up in a split world where people are in different realities and all we can agree on is that the world is ending. So when you hear that nuclear war is happening, it's finally one thing that everyone can nod their heads and say, fuck it, the world was already fucked anyway.

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ignoreme010101@reddit

what you describe- living to make ends meet- is literally the norm for 99.99999% of every human who has ever existed.

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Squantoon@reddit

That's still bad though lol.

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Past-Piglet-3342@reddit

Stop normalizing suffering.

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fleeingcats@reddit

This is totally false.

Most people in older cultures had a lot of free time most of the year. They suffered from plagues, famines, and wars... But when that want an issue they did just fine.

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ZeePirate@reddit

Rich people did. Everyone else was slaving away trying to survive day to day.

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fleeingcats@reddit

No, they weren't. Go read some anthropology textbooks.

Tribal cultures especially had very little inequality. The abundance of natural food sources meant most people barely needed to work at all to feed themselves.

Agriculture changed that slightly, but not by a whole lot. Famines happened, but besides during times of unusual stress people were able to feed themselves in small communities with relative ease.

Feudalism and a few other systems changed that again for the worse. But people, in average, still worked far less than modern people most of the year. During harvest and planting times this wasn't true, but otherwise it generally was.

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Holy-Beloved@reddit

I’m not so sure

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Western-Sugar-3453@reddit

Not really It has only been true since the industrial revolution. Even the lowest class in the middle ages where working half of what we work nowadays.

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Boring-Philosophy-46@reddit

While making ends meet was certainly an issue, it was in the context of a strong community, while raising families. So if you had money left you would help out your brother, sister, nephew, parents, and then count on the same if you found yourself sick or old. It's not in the current context. Income inequality too.

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IAmMuffin15@reddit

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kingofthesofas@reddit

If anything blame it on Putin as they have said many times if the west does X then they will use nukes and then the west does that thing and no nukes. You can only cry wolf so many times and rattle your sabers before people realize you are bluffing. Perhaps there really is some red line out there but it's highly unlikely that a very limited supply of American weapons striking Russia is that red line because it will not have any real material impact on the war at this point so why risk a nuclear war over something that really doesn't matter.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

The red line is any real threat to Russia.

None of this shit actually has been. Even now this changes nothing in reality. Putin will wait for Trump.

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SnooBananas37@reddit

The red line is any real threat to Russia.

Nothing about this war ever has been, and barring twitchy trigger fingers on nukes, ever could be. Putin does not want Russia to be destroyed in nuclear war. Ukraine is not, nor could it ever be an existential threat so long as Russia is a nuclear state.

Every Russian threat to NATO has been nothing more than political theater, either for consumption in Russian media markets to keep up morale at home about how tough Russia is and how magnanimous Putin is for letting NATO continue to breathe Russian air. Or it's a theater to scare Western politicians into ceasing support to Ukraine.

If Ukraine managed to physically remove Russia from Ukraine's internationally recognized territory, Putin would claim that he succeeded in denazifying and demilitarizing Ukraine, and had withdrawn as a goodwill gesture while proper negotiations were made. Russia does not live in reality, reality is dictated by state media. It's why the pace of Russia's advances after the first month or so of the invasion have literally been slower than a snail. Because no amount of media manipulation can dislodge a dogged Ukrainian defender from their trench. It won't produce enough tanks or missiles. Russia has always had more bark than bite.

Nuclear Armageddon was never on the table. The only thing that is up for kinetic discussion is Ukrainian statehood, and Russian appeasement.

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kingofthesofas@reddit

This window of time before Trump takes over is sort of an escalation jubilee for the west since unless it completely turns the tide of the war the west can authorize all sorts of things and gamble that Putin will wait for Trump to take over. It's actually a good idea to send all the stuff we can now because even if Trump pursues some awful one sided capitulation to Russia putting Ukraine in as strong a position as we can now will help.

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Breath_Deep@reddit

Because we know China won't let him use nukes. China controls Russia now, not Putin

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ballskindrapes@reddit

We aren't close to nuclear war.

This is no different than the saber rattling that north Korea does.

People treat it cavalierly because this has long been known. It isn't a serious threat. It's just used to act justified. They know that if a nuclear weapon would be used, they would be the first to die.

Plus, I believe their stockpiles are very old, and nuclear weapons need upkeep. Not sure how much upkeep has been done.

It's just completely improbable

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WaspWeather@reddit

“Let it rip, potato chip”, while fatalistic/misanthropic to be sure, struck a chord of recognition in my Gen X soul.

It’s not our first rodeo, and we’re just so tired.

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DaNostrich@reddit

If nukes started going off in American cities tomorrow most of our bosses would still expect us to be at work

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life_hog@reddit

Not enough people are thriving to care imo. It’s not so much a survival fantasy as a preference to death to continuing to work a dead end job, or even an okay job, with no prospect for ever owning a home or having kids except after decades of work.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

I think this is a factor for sure.

Also many don't understand how good these times are even if they feel like shit.

Like they can still go buy food and watch TV. Nukes means bye bye all that.

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thr0wnb0ne@reddit

i'd rather have to scavenge for food if it means not having to pay rent and taxes to the death machine

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HumanFuture7@reddit

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IsItAnyWander@reddit

I feel you. Thanks for being courageous enough to say it out loud.

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ignoreme010101@reddit

nobody's stopping you from doing that any time you want, lol

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IsItAnyWander@reddit

Lol it's sooooooo funny.

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IsItAnyWander@reddit

No matter how good the times are, the human soul is being crushed and people can feel it.

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It_is_me_Mike@reddit

People have an odd romanticization of repopulating the earth after. When in reality even just from a physical fitness side 75%? Won’t last more than a couple weeks.

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Girafferage@reddit

Not just that, but there won't be a lot to repopulate if we are waiting for fallout to subside. Nowhere viable to plant, no animals to hunt, nowhere to live easily with a family.

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a_wascally_wabbit@reddit

Personally on the beach is my Bible for nuclear war

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dwaynewayne2019@reddit

How about "The Road " ?

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s1gnalZer0@reddit

I really need to read that book again (On the Beach, not the bible)

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

I find it interesting because the movies portray the build up to nuclear war as filled with tension and fear.

Granted I don't believe nuclear war is going to kick off right now. So maybe that explains that people on an innate level don't think it's really serious right now I don't know.

The scary part is when everybody thinks it's not serious and won't happen, that's when a mistake actually can happen. You could end up in an almost accidental nuclear war.

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IsItAnyWander@reddit

Our brains are fried from reddit and other social media. We've been at steady war for 50+ years. The ups and downs of our market economy has worn us down. Living in the imperial core brings us small luxuries, sure. But our subconscious knows we can't go on like this forever. SOMETHING has to give, and we know we're powerless to kick it off. So, as bad as it will be, there is a glimmer of hope in that maybe, just maybe, we'll be out from under the rule of elite psychopaths. I could be way off here admittedly. Lol

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IsItAnyWander@reddit

Maybe it's just me.

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Historical-Rain7543@reddit

I honestly wonder how many of those cavalier comments are real. I’m worried that they’re all real, and there really is just an uneducated majority of folks who are 10% informed & feel like we have some magical system to stop the Russians if they do start nuking.

Folks there may be interventions for certain high strategic importance places but all it takes is for one bomb to land somewhere and everyone will start bombing & it’ll be over. Pray nothing happens

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loopnlil@reddit

GOOD

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IdontOpenEnvelopes@reddit

Good, fuck Russia.

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jdthejerk@reddit

Hit Moscow.

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Advanced_Meat_6283@reddit

JUST HIT THE BIG RED BUTTON ALREADY

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Strange_Lady_Jane@reddit

WE CAN READ JUST FINE IN NORMAL CASE LETTERING.

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intothewoods76@reddit

Well if you don’t want consequences, don’t start wars.

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Ho_Advice_8483@reddit

This is bad

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AdCharacter9512@reddit

Russia is getting what they deserve. Why is that bad?

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ScorseseTheGoat86@reddit

Because they have nuclear weapons and a nuclear conflict will destroy our world in minutes

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AdCharacter9512@reddit

And you think Russia is gonna do that over some missile strikes? Especially when they are on the cusp of winning this war?

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Snakepli55ken@reddit

Why?

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ghosttrainhobo@reddit

For Russia

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doctazeus@reddit

We need to be sending Ukraine tomahawks and taurus. This should have happened two years ago.

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firestarting101@reddit

So, I've been saying this since the get-go. Go ahead, try to press the button. Suddenly Putin's inner circle realizes they've got skin in the game because their families would be vaporized in a retaliatory strike. Putin starting the process to launch nukes is signing his own death warrant.

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Ok_Box3304@reddit

"Why do we need a world if Russia is not in it?" - Russian state TV presenter Dmitry Kiselyov.

As has been said before, the red line is an existential threat to Russia itself.

Hopefully we are far from that. And yet, some would rather the West attempt the destruction of the Russian state than make any concessions in Ukraine.

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firestarting101@reddit

It's a lot of rhetoric. They've consistently shown they're full of hot air. I'm certain they're bluffing, as they've always been bluffing. But none of this our decision to make.

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vlntly_peaceful@reddit

You think they're bluffing when it comes to the survival of their state? So they're just gonna let whoever destroy their country without any fight? C'mon.

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LOLunlucky@reddit

Nobody is destroying their country though. They could either A) use nukes and get wiped off the map, or B) Gtfo of Ukraine and be left alone to drink mouthwash and beat their wives.

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vlntly_peaceful@reddit

Nobody is destroying their country though

That's why there's no nukes. And Putin won't stop. He didn't stop after Chechnya, he won't stop now.

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firestarting101@reddit

I think if they were serious, they wouldn't bother with this big show of voting on it in the duma. Because Putin wouldn't give a shit what regulations his country has if he was going to pushing the button. It's complete performance.

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vlntly_peaceful@reddit

Performance for us.

As a country you kind of have to go through these steps - to make your threats believable and give your state some kind of legitimacy. If you don't tell people you're gonna nuke them if they do XYZ, you won't have them change their minds beforehand. That's literally the basis of the whole nuclear deterrence/MAD.

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firestarting101@reddit

I mean, that's fair. Fair point. I really think though, if he ever opts to push the button, somebody is going to nix it. And he's going to end up dead.

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Ok_Box3304@reddit

Russia's invasion of Ukraine was not a bluff.

Best believe there does exist a set of conditions under which Putin will use nukes. We inch closer to it with each escalation of this war.

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Righteousrob1@reddit

They never said they were going to invade. Remember they kept building up forces and saying they wouldn’t do anything. To me I worry when they aren’t blistering

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firestarting101@reddit

I guess my point is, if we're up to me, I wouldn't worry about what Putin says he's going to do because I don't believe him. That's, ultimately, my viewpoint.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

This logic is bizarre because exactly the same thought process applies to US officials.

Imagine Russia nukes Ukraine.

And Biden goes. "Time to nuke Russia." 😭

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TheBushidoWay@reddit

If russia nukes ukraine. Im nearly certain we will respond with conventional weapons first.

If he orders a first strike on nato countrie, then yeah we will respond accordingly

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LOLunlucky@reddit

Unfortunately the US will only follow that strategy for another few months. Once trump gets in russia can do whatever it wants and if we're really lucky maybe the UK or France will still have the balls to do something.

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firestarting101@reddit

Bottom line is that, if Russia uses nukes, they're fucked via nukes or conventional warfare.

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Enzo-Unversed@reddit

If Russia uses nukes, either the US backs off, or the world goes up in flames.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

Again your logic is mind boggling.

Bottom line is we ALL are fucked.

Russia can take out US and EU..... Both.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

That something Bloomberg terminals or news flash devices due I'm not sure why. I just copy and pasted it.