Common W from Valve | TheaterFire

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HighDegree@reddit

I'm just glad that they finally openly admitted they fucked up and ultimately regretted not doing Episode 3 / Half-Life 3. If there's anything that makes me even the slightest bit bitter toward Valve, it's that they chose not to at least strike and wrap the series up when the iron was hot.

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InternationalTwo4581@reddit

I just don't understand at all. Like financially how is it a game they couldn't make? Even if it was shitty they still would have made a fortune

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WhyWasXelNagaBanned@reddit

Valve has Steam to print them as much money as they could ever want.

At this point they probably only make games that they're actually passionate about.

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CuTTyFL4M@reddit

I mean we saw them shift towards a hardware/software company too with the Vive and Deck, and all the little gadgets they also had like the Link and the weird controller, but also their participation to Linux being more accomodating for gaming. On a consumer front, it seems they do less for games, but technically, they are doing stuff that really is beneficial, like the "mod market" integrated to Steam making is super easy to add content. Just don't expect a game every year. Still a shame given they have some very interesting concepts like Portal, but again, people can just install new stuff through Steam, they don't even need to make more games.

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Dubl33_27@reddit

vive?? you mean index?

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CuTTyFL4M@reddit

Ah yes that. Although if I'm not mistaken the Vive was a partnership between HTC and Valve, wasn't it? I mean, they sold it on Steam.

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SoftwareOk30@reddit

Ah yes that. Although if I'm not mistaken the Vive was a partnership between HTC and Valve, wasn't it?

Yep, you're correct

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Own_Studio3878@reddit

so card games and slightly updated counter strike ?

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iEatFurbyz@reddit

Deadlock

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HighDegree@reddit

The funniest shit about it all is that Alyx was amazing and it was made by a bunch of the old guard that worked on HL2. So it's clear they've still got it. I don't know what they're waiting for. They really need to nut up and just take their shot.

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anonymouswan1@reddit

Half Life was never intended to be a loved series. Half Life was always a tech demo that was built to show off their latest engine features. Alyx was their latest release, which was built to show off VR hardware and software capabilities.

If they made another Half Life game right now, it would be just to shut people up. Until they make a new engine, or make significant changes to their existing engine, then there will be no new Half Life game.

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sharknice@reddit

Where are you getting this from? They didn't even really make their own engine.

They literally licensed the Quake ehngine from ID Software then added what they needed onto it for Half-Life.

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RandomUserGen@reddit

They are literally making HL3 right now, every time a Valve game gets updated on Steam a bunch of ‘HLX’ files get leaked and this has been going on for a while, they’ve been developing this HLX game since Alyx apparently.

Also Alyx’s ending and post credit scene basically confirmed they were gonna make HL3, not sure why anyone still believes it’s not coming soon. Plus at the end of the HL2 documentary Gabe says that Half-Life games are a great way to show off new innovations in the industry, and then he says there is no shortage of possibilities of those innovations in the industry right now

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n0rdic@reddit

this is the cope people have been using for decades. I loved Alyx, but even that side game was a complete development hell nightmare due to Valve's weird corporate politics. If you watch the "making of" documentary, it's genuinely amazing the thing ever shipped at all.

I don't doubt that they're making a new Half-Life. I also don't think it will ship any time in the near future.

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anonymouswan1@reddit

Half Life will always be developed in the background, but until we get a significant engine update, they won't be releasing anything.

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RandomUserGen@reddit

Agree to disagree. They have ramped up hiring experienced devs from a bunch of other gaming studios, I think the game will be announced next year

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dmpk2k@reddit

Half Life was never intended to be a loved series.

This was an obvious retroactive excuse by Valve. The fact the gaming community didn't role their eyes at this blows my mind.

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nikoll-toma@reddit

i fear that if they were to make HL3 in this era, it would woke the fans to death

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MyDogIsDaBest@reddit

I think it's kinda an ego thing. HL2 is hyped up so hard that it's one of the biggest video game releases ever and they feel they need to one-up that legacy. They made Half Life Alyx but wouldn't attach a 3 on the box for whatever reason. Maybe because they didn't figure out melee combat and the crowbar would have been absent? Or they were worried that nobody would play it or something? Whatever their reasons are, I think it's that they want something to be as big as Half Life 2 and are trying to find that thing, but they have basically unlimited money, so they can just keep going forever and never figure out what that is, while still raking in cash.

I hate to be like that, but art is never finished, you gotta abandon it at a stage you're comfortable abandoning it.

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Jack-of-Hearts-7@reddit

Didn't the ending of Alyx set up for 3 or am I tripping?

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HighDegree@reddit

To be fair, every Half-Life or Half-Life adjescant game after Episode 3 has set up for Half-Life 3.

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nihongonobenkyou@reddit

Bruh, Alyx was a well designed VR game, but it absolutely reeks of millennial writing, and that constantly took me out of it.

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RandomUserGen@reddit

HL3 is in development right now though, they aren’t waiting

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mollekylen@reddit

too busy adding skins to cs2

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-the-clit-commander-@reddit

A lot of the skins in the recent CS2 cases and arms update were community made so they don't even do that. They just sit around and watch the $$$ go up from young adults getting addicted to gambling.

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vix-@reddit

Honestly not even, thupdamoury update was like atleast a year ovedue

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snrup1@reddit

HL2 released when Steam was about a year old. Early Steam sucked pretty hard and probably took a ton of resources to fix. When they did, it became a money printer. No reason for them to dump time/money into it when they get a cut of every Steam purchase.

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MyDogIsDaBest@reddit

They got all in their heads that episode 3 needed to be revolutionary and then fucked around too long, so they thought they'd have to make half life 3 which had to be bigger than half life 2 and change the industry. They never got around to landing on something that they felt was impactful enough and then steam became a money printer for them, so they had no financial motivation to release the game.

VR got their dicks hard enough to build Half Life Alyx, which I'm pretty sure is their HL3 prototype. Whether they actually make HL3, I have no idea. I think the best time for it would be if they ever get around to finishing project Deckard and then have HL3 be the game that shows off their VR stuff.

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Dubl33_27@reddit

the talk is that valve uses half-life for showing off innovations, like 3d engines with the first games (idk what changed between the first and the 2nd exactly, but at that time the difference between the first's and 2nd's graphics might have seemed like a lot) and then half life alyx for VR.

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philmarcracken@reddit

they have money. they want to do something new each time, something that leaves a mark on history. HL1 did that, so did HL2. Alyx in VR did it as well.

Their half life series is operating on the mcdonalds model. They sell burgers(game) but their real business is real estate(tech demo).

Gabe wouldn't be satisfied with HL3 unless it was beamed directly into your fucking head

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AnotherScoutTrooper@reddit

Counter Strike made them a billion dollars in 2023, likely more money than Valve as a company had even made in the 10 years before Episode 2’s release. They have no reason to release anything that isn’t either propping up their existing cashcows, even creating a new one like Deadlock is a bit of a miracle.

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dasno_@reddit

As I understand it, Valve will not make HL3 unless the game has something to push gaming further. There were many "HL3" projects but none were deemed good enough and scrapped.

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DaveSmith890@reddit

Half life 3 wouldn’t make sense. You can’t have 1 and a half lives

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Krabloingus@reddit

When did they say they regretted not making it? Genuinely asking because i recall the documentary having gabe say he didnt feel the need to make a half life 3 jor episode 3 just for the sake of continuing the story or concluding it, and that half life should have big innovations to it.

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T3hJake@reddit

Yeah the response I heard was much more nuanced. They were excited to work on other projects like L4D and wanted to reserve the HL series for large innovations.

Yeah it sucks for people that love the story but I think it’s a smart move that makes Half-Life feel more special. Imagine if it had gone the Halo route with several mediocre installments and a tarnished brand.

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HighDegree@reddit

It was in the new commentary added to Half-Life 2 for the anniversary. They didn't say it exactly like that, but it was said in so many words and it's easy to read between the lines there. And it was the devs, not so much Gabe.

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Raccoonooo@reddit

Children gambling through CS:GO. They have money to spare

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Champigne@reddit

More so that they get a cut for every game sold on Steam.

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Dark_Pestilence@reddit

"A cut" is correct. But I think many people don't understand that it means at least 30cents of every dollar/euro spent on steam lands in gabes pockets. That's like... a shit ton

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dekusyrup@reddit

Hence why everybody puts out their own shitty game launcher.

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LimpMinded@reddit

Until the cost of their shitty launchers production + maintenance + upkeep - the smaller selling population leads them right back to Steam to sell their shitty games that suck ass because they make more money selling on Steam

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sharknice@reddit

The maintenance + upkeep isn't that big of a barrier, it's mostly just the selling population.

That's why you see a lot of games sell on their own launcher to get full cut from as many people as they can, then release on steam later. That's why so many games on Steam launch another launcher.

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MrRobsterr@reddit

AKA ubisoft

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Dmitruly@reddit (OP)

Warcraft 3 is 21 years older and Blizzard still wants you to pay for it

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-DeadHead-@reddit

Half-Life is 4 years older than Warcraft 3 and Valve still wants you to pay for it. What's your point here?

Also, GTAV has been free for several days on Epic Store as well at some point. HL2 is similarly free just for a few days. What's the point of your post?

Now if we consider that you were actually answering the comment you replied to, CS is free-to-play just like lots of other big games from other big companies (including Blizzard) because they make more money through the players buying stuff the games (in the case of CS thanks to gambling and skins) than through selling the games. Of course they're gonna have it free to play if it helps them have more players.

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Commie__Propaganda@reddit

can't afford 1 measly dollar? It goes on sale very often.

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Raccoonooo@reddit

Nintendo won't catalog their games and want you to buy an original console and physical cartridge or disk

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ProfessorCagan@reddit

That they don't get any money for, btw.

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pr000blemkind@reddit

I think it's based that Nintendo is forcing the community to invent ingenious solutions to game preservation and distribution around their IP. This way countless of emulators and hardware got developed that surpass anything that Nintendo could have developed in a rigid corporate structure.

Now that have converted thousands or Normies including me to learn how to use Emulators with modified game APKs that surpass any remaster.

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ElCamo267@reddit

countless of emulators and hardware got developed that surpass anything that Nintendo could have developed in a rigid corporate structure.

Nintendo could very easily make a perfect emulator for multiple platforms for literally any of their consoles. Same for the hardware. I mean, they designed the things being emulated.

It's about money. They decided they would earn more from new releases and trickling older games instead of spending resources on stuff they've already made.

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IWantMyYandere@reddit

Yeah. People really think they are doing something great preserving these games as if they are artifacts lmao.

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Dubaku@reddit

You would have a point if Nintendo wasn't going around suing emulator devs

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RADToronto@reddit

And what a god awful execution that was to revive it :(

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Rymanjan@reddit

Man I remember when one of my buddies got into cs skins. It was like talking to a 40yo man playing the stock exchange, he unboxed some super rare skin one day and made like $3k so he decided to go all in and reinvest most of it back into boxes. Hed talk to us one day and he'd be up a thousand dollars and he'd be treating everyone to free drinks and delivery. The next he has lost 1,200 opening junk. What a wild way to live lol

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Keyboardpaladin@reddit

Yeah but Valve is epic and based and according to the rules, we look away

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Dark_Pestilence@reddit

I mean the alternative is gambling without being based

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JoeBobbyWii@reddit

because the game is 20 years old and anyone that wanted to play it already has

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Danteska@reddit

40k replaying it xd?

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Nuanciated@reddit

What game is this?

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Morematthewforu@reddit

Last War. A viral new mobile game.

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likely_suspicious@reddit

Half life 4

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_Trafalgar_Outlaw_@reddit

Boku no Pico: The Video Game.

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alexis_1031@reddit

How compelling, now please face the wall.

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alexis_1031@reddit

Concord 😎

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HeroOfIroas@reddit

Concord

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Xhalo@reddit

Leisure Suit Larry: Quest for the Spaghettios with Extra Grundlemeat 😁😁😁

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Demmitri@reddit

Electric Boogaloo 3: Bungalife

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nodnodwinkwink@reddit

Crowbar vs Box crate simulator 3d pro

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Mammoth_Juice_6969@reddit

Castlestein Wolfvania 2: Episode Two

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Bobthemurderer@reddit

The Lost Vikings 3

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WendyLRogers3@reddit

Custer's Revenge XVII.

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_Diggus_Bickus_@reddit

Darude Sandstorm

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711WasA_Part-timeJob@reddit

Minecraft

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bagdf@reddit

Duke nukem

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Trayvongelion@reddit

Ricky Gervais's British Nightmare

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fiftyfourseventeen@reddit

half lambda 3

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Shark00n@reddit

Raid Shadow Legends

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Kanye_Is_Underrated@reddit

valve is the only company of any type i will fully bootlick for happily and defend them to the death.

theyre a beacon of decency and quality blazing out across a black sea of mediocrity, scams and shit.

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Lauris024@reddit

Gambling. Excessive fees. Popularizing season passes. Taking money from MS to release L4D2 as a seperate game, and not a free DLC. Practically makes games when they want to advertise their new engine features. Fought against governments for that 2 hour refund thing, but lost (many such small fights, where valve was forced to act decend, but somehow everyone assumes valve themselves wanted to), etc.

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Kanye_Is_Underrated@reddit

Gambling

i dont care about this, control yourself. i actually like financing games via a few degenerates' money instead of just charging everyone

Excessive fees

compared to who? its still by far the best platform for any dev to put their game out, if it was any of the other big companies they'd take twice as much

Popularizing season passes

wasnt them. and when they do it its cosmetic only/no advantages.

Practically makes games when they want to advertise their new engine features.

so what? when the games are good and the features are good this is a good thing.

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dekusyrup@reddit

Man I hate games fishing for whales funnelling you to the microtransaction store. I'd much rather just pay fair price for a good game than to get free access to a grind.

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Nova-Prospekt@reddit

You dont "grind" for anything in Valve F2P games. CS2 and Dota 2 only have cosmetic microtransactions. Sure you can "grind" cavern crawl for the cosmetics in Dota battlepass, but they dont have any gameplay effect.

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dunnowattt@reddit

Gambling.

Yeah you really need to gamble for the cosmetic skin to play CS. Else you are in a disadvantage....please fuck off with gambling.

Excessive fees.

Name 1 "excessive" fee that Steam has, that other stores don't.

Taking money from MS to release L4D2 as a seperate game, and not a free DLC.

Where is that? Are you getting confused with the L4D2 DLC that MS told Valve they need to have a price and not free? What are you even talking about man?

Popularizing season passes.

None of their games currently have a season pass. Not even Dota where it first started.

Fought against governments for that 2 hour refund thing, but lost

No they didn't, they just got sued by Australia only. And after that they are now offering refunds WORLDWIDE automatically, even though, in US for example, they just could not offer that.

All in all, you are regarded.

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aperturedream@reddit

I mean through that logic Epic Games would be the most based company ever giving away free games every week but nahhh

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alberthething@reddit

good point, but epic only ever gives away random garbage that nobody has ever heard of. the last good thing i remember them giving away was the arkham trilogy. also their launcher is shit.

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N1ghtshade3@reddit

They've given away most big-name AAA games including GTA V, what are you on about lmfao.

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alberthething@reddit

once in a blue moon

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aperturedream@reddit

They’re giving away Castlevania Anniversary Collection right now, wouldn’t say either that or Arkham is random garbage nobody has ever heard of. Launcher is indeed shit.

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Innomen@reddit

It's 49,000 years old. It should have been free and public domain five years after first sale. I hate this time line. We have No Idea what has been lost.

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tiamath@reddit

They gave the orange box for like 1 euro... that contained all valve games

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VOODOO511@reddit

3 valve games and one of them is a free to play game lol

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Tordek@reddit

TF2 wasn't free at the time (and it was the greatest because it wasn't full of bots).

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Shade_demon2141@reddit

There are basically no bots anymore.

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HDTurtle@reddit

Is that really true? Last I heard, it was still full of bots and was not getting updated at all.

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Shade_demon2141@reddit

It is true. There hasn't been any actual contents updates or balance changes. Just community maps and the same automated events. They've also started taking community bug fixes because the source code got leaked and dedicated fans have been fixing bugs.

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spiritofporn@reddit

Yeah, I actually paid for it. I bought that metal box collector's edition at release that also included a t shirt.

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Own_Studio3878@reddit

also tf2 no ?

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Dogwhisperer_210@reddit

The orange box I originally bought in late 2000s had all of those except Portal 2, but also included a deathmatch game with HF engine, and Team Fortress 2

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SatanVapesOn666W@reddit

"also included a deathmatch game with HF engine" you mean half life 2 death match?

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Dogwhisperer_210@reddit

Mate my brain was probably not working at the time I wrote that, cut me some slack pls

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9ver@reddit

I got a bundle with every Valve game for like $6 a few years back as well (again excluding Alyx)

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GeneralTreesap@reddit

You are confusing the Valve Complete Pack with The Orange Box

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NicotineTumor@reddit

It also contained counter strike 1.6, condition zero and source

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Master_Shopping9652@reddit

Bruh

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ThisZoMBie@reddit

3 Valve games

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in_elation@reddit

I don’t care how cheap they make it im still gonna pirate it

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Kirito619@reddit

common repost from Reddit

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Snoot_Boot@reddit

The post is referring to info from a documentary released during the HF2 anniversary this past week tho

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Kirito619@reddit

Yeah and it was already posted and got lots of upvotes like 2 or 3 times

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Arklese1zure@reddit

Valve is one of the last bastions against enshittification.

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N1ghtshade3@reddit

I mean, they skim 30% off every game. The greedier other studios get, the more Valve benefits because not only do they get bigger and bigger profits without having their name attached, they get to look better by comparison when Redditors contrast the latest AAA live service slop that took a billion dollars to make to the 20-year-old game they gave away for free which probably doesn't even sell copies anymore. And they're absolutely complicit in this but most people don't realize it because it's subtle changes they do under the hood, like blacklisting certain user tags such as "Gacha" so people can't filter out predatory gambling games (which make them a lot of money).

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atTeOmnisCaroVeniet@reddit

>top game ever

I never liked any of the Half Life games. I think it's more sad than anything that they make a 2h documentary about the making of HL2 rather than make another game.

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MoaningMushroom@reddit

That is just your regarded opinion, man.

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Theroux721@reddit

20 years since Half-Life 2 17 years since HL2:E2 17 years since Team Fortress 2 15 years since L4D 2 13 years since Portal 2 11 years since Dota 2 11 years since CSO 2

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dmpk2k@reddit

HL1 was better than HL2. Marc Laidlaw is an overrated hack; fight me.

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Mirroredentity@reddit

I'm sick and tired of the love valve gets, they used to be great but have long since fallen to corporate greed and shady business practices.

Pushing gambling on children in counter strike whilst refusing to address the games broken matchmaking system and cheating epidemic.

Releasing greedier and greedier Dota battle passes that abuse FOMO, whilst also taking a bigger and bigger slice of the profits despite them being advertised as their way to fund tournament prize pools.

Outright terrible Steam customer support and allows scam games and item scammers to roam free. Also charge developers 30% just to host games on their platform because they know they have a monopoly (and people wonder why games are so expensive these days).

They are a blizzard level shitty company, the only difference is people recognise blizzards fall from grace whereas they continue to suck Gabe Newells cock.

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cursed1333@reddit

you forgot to mention that Valve invented Battlepass system that plagues every game nowadays, they were also one of the first western company to implement loot boxes in games.

you also forgot to mention their epic fails like Artifact 1 and 2, Dota underloads and their game console called Steam machine which failed miserably which were just glorified expensive linux pcs.

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Mirroredentity@reddit

All very true, but I tried to steer away from criticizing their actual products too much and focus on their actual scummy business practices, because the common excuse (which you can see all throughout this thread) these dick riders use is that "because Steam is good, all the shit they pull is acceptable".

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SapiS68@reddit

/>Pushing gambling on children in counter strike

/>Game is literally rated M

Not teaching kids about the dangers of gambling is on the parents anyways...

/>they have a monopoly

/>EGS exists, Ubisoft Connect exists, EA Desktop exists and so on

Maybe if every other launcher didn't suck balls compared to Steam and had most features Steam has, more people would use them, but Valve has a two decade lead, in which they made a great product. But hey, feel free to make your own launcher.

/>TF2 is abandoned to bots

That was fixed 4 moths ago. MM is usable again.

Now idk about the Dota stuff (because I don't play it). I agree about the cs2 stuff, but eventually it will be fixed.

You are either Tim Sweeney or a massive idiot.

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Mirroredentity@reddit

All of these replies and the only thing people can come up with is "Steam is a good product, so therefore Valve's underhanded and shady business practices are okay". I guess Apple using child labour to build their good quality phones is also okay in your eyes?

I'll grant that "because parents exist it's okay for companies to offer unrestricted gambling to a young audience" is a new one though. If you genuinely think an M rating does anything or excuses this shit I don't know what else to say. Oh and I didn't even mention the fact that they are the pioneers of battle passes and loot boxes for real money, two things which continue to plague modern gaming today, and people still freak out whenever someone criticises this 8 billion dollar company.

And you know what, if Valve doing all this shitty stuff meant people recognised they are just as bad as EA, Activision Blizzard and the rest then I wouldn't even complain. It's the constant dick riding that annoys me.

I agree about the cs2 stuff, but eventually it will be fixed.

lol. Lmao, even.

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Special-Remove-3294@reddit

Low intellect take.

Steam is by far the best shop to the point its more convenient then going to the Fitgirl website and downloading a torrent....

Can't say I care about their games cause I don't play live service always online games so I don't care but Steam is good and that is all I care about.

Steam currently mogs Epic Games and the other stores. Only one that can compete with Steam is GOG but GOG dosen't have a Steam workshop so I still like Steam more.

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Mirroredentity@reddit

"Low intellect take"

makes an argument against a point I didn't even make

What does the quality of steam as a platform have to do with anything I said?

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Special-Remove-3294@reddit

And I said that I don't care cause it just works.

Steam works, Steam is convenient, therefore I lile Valve. It sure has flaws but it is what it is.

Its good enough that I like it and Valve.

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abnegatethesloths@reddit

Did you actually just say you don't care about a monopoly because it just works? Lmfao you both have regarded low intellect takes.

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Special-Remove-3294@reddit

Steam isn't a monopoly. Anyone could compete against it if they just made something as good as Steam. The fact that its competitors have a skill issue, dosen't make Steam a monopoly.
Plenty of good monopolies, though they are usually state owned, private monopolies almost always suck.
I only care about the consumer service. I can't say I care to much about what is happening behind the scenes unless its something really bad like slavery or pedophilia. Plenty of evil corps out there. I would rather take out my anger on the corps destroying the planet through pollution or the ones enshittifying everything rather then a online store that offers a good service.

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RNZTH@reddit

Pushing gambling on children in counter strike whilst refusing to address the games broken matchmaking system and cheating epidemic.

So the children gambling would be fine as long as you could get a good match and not deal with cheaters?

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Mirroredentity@reddit

Huh? No?

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Raccoonooo@reddit

Finally someone who doesn't suck valves dick. They also forced people who want to sell on their platform to price level them, meaning if it's on steam you'll never get it cheaper anywhere else

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zid0n2@reddit

Name better alternative than steam?

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Mirroredentity@reddit

Steam being better than competitor gaming platforms has less than nothing to do with their shitty business practices including pushing gambling on children.

Your argument is as mornic as saying Apple is a good company and we should all love them because iPhone good, despite them using child slaves to make them.

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zid0n2@reddit

Something that exists > something in your head

That how things works and we are not living in ideal world.

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Mirroredentity@reddit

Okay and now in English?

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zid0n2@reddit

Are you regarded? What specifically you have troubles to comprehend?

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Mirroredentity@reddit

I fail to see how "something that exists > something in your head" is remotely relevant to anything I said, but keep sucking off an 8 billion dollar company I guess.

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zid0n2@reddit

->First thought about is sucking off

Many such cases.

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Mirroredentity@reddit

takes Gabe Newell's cock out of his mouth

"F-f-first thought about is sucking off! That'll show him!"

And nice broken English again by the way.

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BesottedJewLord@reddit

Man works at Epic Games.

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Mirroredentity@reddit

"He doesn't like shitty thing, he must be a fan of opposing shitty thing!"

Classic

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BesottedJewLord@reddit

Man works at the saltfactory.

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Mirroredentity@reddit

Nah just not a fan of shitty multi billion dollar companies and find it mildly irritating that legions of spotty basement dwellers come out of the woodwork to defend said multi billion dollar company whenever anyone criticises it.

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