Prime air just went off the runway at YVR.

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sfw918@reddit (OP)

Seems like they are paving a way to the airplane, and I assume they will be towing it back onto the runway and to a hangar. May have to offload the cargo there.

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dj_flora@reddit

Thank you. I was wondering in terms of how soon will they be operating the aircraft again.

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dangtheman93@reddit

I listened to the ATC recording and they had an asymmetric flaps indication while inbound. They had to come in fast

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Brillica@reddit

Where did you listen to that? Is there a site that hosts recordings?

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drs43821@reddit

VAS aviation on YouTube usually do their cuts and commentary shortly after an incident

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Brillica@reddit

Yup, and blancolirio just put up his video on it.

Here’s an ATC recording that has from first declaring a pan pan through to being off the runway https://youtu.be/0lf7sWo5pOw?si=VD6XAUwmtaYCElFb

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dangtheman93@reddit

Liveatc.net you can listen to archive recordings back to a certain time. Not sure how far back it goes but since this incident happened today it was easy to find

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Individual_Laugh1335@reddit

What is the procedure for this? Is it landing without any flaps?

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If the computer detects a flap asymmetry, the flap motors cut off and the flaps are now stuck in their existing position. So you're landing with whatever flaps were deployed when they stopped working.

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Puravida1904@reddit

Obviously the runway was slightly wet which affects things, but how much distance would you typically need to land without flaps?

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poemdirection@reddit

Probably that runway length + at least 1880 ft.

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flightist@reddit

With the added benefit of lithobraking in the last 1880’.

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Puravida1904@reddit

Lmao

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MrEatinBeaver@reddit

I don’t fly the 76 but on the 74 a flap up landing is flown at vref 30 + 70 so that’d be 220 knots on final. Auto brake max is 9200ft for the stopping distance.

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Over-Conflict6231@reddit

It depends on the flap setting they were able to get out of it. It could easily double or triple the landing distance.

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Notonfoodstamps@reddit

Hopefully the pilots are ok

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Amazing-Fennel-4515@reddit

short term good, long term bad! lol

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Aquur@reddit

That’s second incident in three days. Couple days ago they got main gear stuck in grass.

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HumanContinuity@reddit

Sounds like maintenance problems

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Amazing-Fennel-4515@reddit

piloting considered a maintenance problem? lol

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Junior_Ice3291@reddit

Same AC too

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Advanced_Leather_819@reddit

Definitely going to investigate if there was a thorough inspection and test of the gear in question — They were buried 2 feet in the grass. 48 hours is a quick turnaround.

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Aquur@reddit

They did have all of the wheels removed after getting it out. This time, the aircraft overran the runway, and the nose gear collapsed.

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Advanced_Leather_819@reddit

Wonder if it was a combination of the flap issue meaning it came in fast, and surface conditions making it slick?

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Palstorken@reddit

Was a rain/snow mixture here last night

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FlamingBrad@reddit

I was told they replaced the mains and brakes which were full of mud after getting stuck.

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Barihawk@reddit

Fairly sure my package was in that one because I got an email lol.

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Feeandchee@reddit

I saw an online report (can't find it now) that showed the speeds of this airplane as it crossed the runway threshold and then at various intervals down the runway (and beyond) to its final resting spot. I see other posters discussing the approach speed for clean configuration and whatnot, but the report I saw showed it was well under 200 kts at the runway threshold and still well above 100 kts as it exited the end of the runway. Even with no spoilers, shouldn't 'the pilots have been able to slow the plane significantly more than this? I see that Runway 8L is 3,000m (9,900 ft). I'm not criticizing the pilots, I'm simply quite surprised that the airplane couldn't be slowed more than it was, given the runway length. Interested in people's observations on this.

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canada11235813@reddit

https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/cargojet-767-overrun-vancouver/

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E_Hellbrand@reddit

She landed at yhm just fine after her wheel and brake replacement yesterday afternoon when I offloaded her. Admittedly 1.5hrs late

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speed150mph@reddit

Rumour has it she went off the runway a few days back and that’s why the wheels and brakes were changed.

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E_Hellbrand@reddit

The 1st time was pilot error while taxiing

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E_Hellbrand@reddit

Source: me, i work for that particular operator of that CARGO JET and offload prime with azi and azf regularly

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LargeMerican@reddit

They came in fast as fuck. Asymmetric flaps is no joke. Probably came in at 200+ knots not surprised they overran

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xena_70@reddit

It said 175, still fast. Here is a story: Accident: Cargojet B763 at Vancouver on Nov 19th 2024, flaps problems, overran runway on landing, nose gear collapse

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SubarcticFarmer@reddit

175 kts over the ground with winds at 10 gusting 15. So 185-190 kt approach speed if they got the speed based off an actual ground speed. 175 kts for reference is 200mph.

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Shantomette@reddit

What would be the ideal landing speed for that aircraft? (FYI, I’m a novice who just enjoys aviation).

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SubarcticFarmer@reddit

Closer to 140 kts or less is my guess.

The big key here is what the braking action really was. Some runways are incredibly slippery when wet and when you land faster than normal the landing distance is exponential

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Shantomette@reddit

Gotcha and wow. I’d never think a large aircraft would be landing at that speed. I guess I always assumed something under 200kts. Thanks.

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Chaxterium@reddit

On the 757 (smaller aircraft yes, but still big) if we were light our ref speed was 109 knots.

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LargeMerican@reddit

JESUS!

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Raul9394@reddit

Dude 😂😂😂 you're classic

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Airf0rcee@reddit

They’re not in their prime :(

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Lostsonofpluto@reddit

Just my luck that something like this happens when I'm out of town. I'm sure they'll have towed it away when I fly back in a couple days

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ApprehensiveToe4129@reddit

767F operated by Cargojet CJT2387 YHM-YVR slide off the end of 08L

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Dependent-Ring-5758@reddit

Airport emergency crew needed a ladder to evacuate pilots, who were OK. Took a while to open south runway where overnight work was underway. Inbound Carson air medieval flight delayed and TaiPei departures delayed

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PuddlesRex@reddit

I'm picturing a medieval flight as a bunch of guys in peasant clothes pedaling a bicycle-ttpe contraption that flies DaVinci's helicopter.

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DashTrash21@reddit

No it's Medieval Times on a King Air

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TxtC27@reddit

Do they replace the horses with hobby horses in this case?

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Ok_Advisor_908@reddit

Horses don't fly we all know that! They used Santa's reindeer of course!

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fivegallondivot@reddit

Don't let Pegasus see this.

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octoreadit@reddit

Subprime.

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penelopiecruise@reddit

Better photos here: https://www.instagram.com/p/DCjRRocJjbC/?img_index=6&igsh=dW8zcWU4MXA1aG5z

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wrongwayup@reddit

Judging by the mud everywhere, they went off pretty fast

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cyberentomology@reddit

Looking at the overhead imagery, they’ve got EMAS at that end of the runway?

The other end doesn’t need it, it’s got natural mud for that.

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IlikeYuengling@reddit

So many late dildoes.

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avimakkar@reddit

We just got some fresh snow here. It's like 1cm but it's fairly wet, so probably black ice.

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dogwoodFruits@reddit

Definitely no black ice. It was 5 degrees.

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sfw918@reddit (OP)

Don't know if YVR does anything with the runways. But if they do I didn't see anything tonight.

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avimakkar@reddit

Somebody else below pointed below they live close to the airport. There was no accumulation down there. Probably just the flap issue got compounded by wet runway.

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FlamingBrad@reddit

There was no snow crew out, it was slushy rain leaning towards rain all night.

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tunisianobserver@reddit

Why is this downvoted?

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CitizenBanana@reddit

Not cold enough for black ice. It's just 2 degrees out and very wet at sea level. Frost line on the north shore mountains is at about 600m or so.

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dv20bugsmasher@reddit

Sorry guys I guess my latest order was too heavy

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Saint-Broseph@reddit

My balls? /s

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AutoModerrator-69@reddit

Toy for your mom? /s

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spiritual_delinquent@reddit

3000 gallons of lube? /s

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Thick-Home6767@reddit

Amazon Prime lmao…the same company that employed that idiot who drove a truck down a sidewalk at 45 miles per hour.

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Brillica@reddit

Amazon owned aircraft but operated by a different company

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majoroutage@reddit

They don't own the aircraft either I don't think. They just leased the entire company.

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Brillica@reddit

I was going off of this https://cargojet.com/2021/04/06/cargojet-expands-relationship-with-amazon/

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majoroutage@reddit

I stand corrected then. Amazon does in fact own some of if these aircraft themselves.

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Brillica@reddit

I'm sure it varies by market, whichever option makes them more money.

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Temporary-Fix9578@reddit

Oh yeah, probably the same guy eh!

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1MrAim@reddit

Well this is unexpected

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Other-Ship-195@reddit

silent protest in support of canada post haha

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accountforbadpost@reddit

That doesn’t look like a prime parking spot.

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geocapital@reddit

Any news if the cargo survived the incident?

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Designer_Buy_1650@reddit

Difficult situation for the pilots. If a higher speed is required because of the asymmetric flaps, calculating an accurate landing distance is almost impossible. Dry runway, no problem. With a contaminated runway things get dicey. If there was a recent RCR, a fair assessment of the runway could be made. But still difficult.

Sounds like one of those situations where you say to yourself, “Glad I wasn’t the crew involved.”

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propell0r@reddit

I mean, not really. Not sure about the 763 but the Airbus I fly has an entire QRH chapter dedicated to getting an accurate factored landing distance taking into account failures, runway conditions and increased approach speeds.

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Designer_Buy_1650@reddit

A chapter? Wow.

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egguw@reddit

2 days ago they went off the taxiway...

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Tusan1222@reddit

KSI and Logan Paul fell off…

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Old-Employee1780@reddit

Glad to hear everyone is safe. I was the YVR Manager at Cargojet for over 10 years. I can attest to the high standard of safety, and maintenance reliability in this organization, true professionals who are at the top of the game. My thoughts go out to everyone involved, and within this organization.

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