What's the Black Swan Event No One is Talking About?
Posted by ---Skip_lntro---@reddit | preppers | View on Reddit | 676 comments
It's not what everyone is talking about that creates extreme global impact, but rather the rare and unpredictable outlier we're all overlooking.
The world didn't see covid coming.
We didn't see September 11th.
What are we not planning on that is slowly heading straight towards us?
tyler111762@reddit
I've got one i bet no one is considering. Objective proof of the existence of a human "soul" or an Afterlife. The wave of mass self deletes of people across the world who don't have a reason to keep going anymore would be catastrophic.
irritable_useful@reddit
Did you just watch that movie?
tyler111762@reddit
what movie?
irritable_useful@reddit
The Discovery
tyler111762@reddit
interesting. i was going based on some SCP foundation stuff.
Background_Wear_1074@reddit
I would say Trump’s re-election to a 2nd term could very well end up being a black swan event. I don't think anyone 15 years ago would have bet a nickel on it and none of us can predict what it will lead to. I for one believe it will be somewhere between bad to extremely bad.
Express_Donut9696@reddit
The scientists saw a pandemic coming. 9-11 was inevitable. Black Swan event is dying from falling in a bathtub.
PotnaKaboom@reddit
Bird Flu is already human to human and Trump is going to intentionally let it ravage everyone, regardless of how they voted
^^^^ Qualifies for a Black Swan right there 🦢
danceswsheep@reddit
The world did see something like COVID happening, it just wasn’t talked about outside of epidemiologists and public health officials. The COVID pandemic happened because of leadership failures; there was not a serious enough effort to stop the spread.. and then of course, the conspiracies and disinformation led to it spreading even faster.
My stepdad (who was otherwise an incredible and kind man) fell hard for the disinformation and refused to get vaccinated. I hounded him relentlessly, but he was legitimately convinced the vaccine would kill him. Unfortunately, he ended up getting COVID and unwittingly passed it on to my mom (who was vaccinated, but was immunocompromised, so vaccine wasn’t as effective). They both died within 3 days of each other. I used to think that propaganda somehow was only effective against the weak-minded, uneducated, mean-spirited, etc., but I’m no longer naive.
In any case, we have diseases which could become the next pandemic, and each is potentially deadlier than COVID.
There is the H5N1 influenza virus (aka bird flu), which has been gaining ground among many different species of mammals, but thus far there are only cases of humans getting the disease from other animals. The disease has now reached pigs. This is scary because when viruses reach pigs, it is more likely for the virus to mutate into one that allow human-to-human spread of the virus. There are vaccines, but their effectiveness is hampered by how frequently the virus mutates.
The other one is chronic wasting disease, which is caused by a prion - not a virus or bacteria - but a misfolded protein. Mad Cow Disease is the most famous prion based disease that can spread to humans, but Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease is the most common. There is no cure. CWD has not yet spread to humans, but it’s affected deer populations significantly. There is no treatment and it is fatal.
I honestly can’t think of any apocalypse scenario that would be truly unexpected outside of an asteroid that comes through one of our surveillance blind spots. Even that is known possibility though, as we already know there are blind spots.
coastguy111@reddit
I'm afraid the mrna vaccine technology is going to prove devastating. Especially considered that they made a booboo about the ability for it to change your DNA.
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/immunology/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2024.1336906/full
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987723000117?via%3Dihub
danceswsheep@reddit
I have no idea whether the sources you’ve shared are accurate representations of the current opinion of the greater public health community, but if they are, it demonstrates the importance of continuing the research. We have to mitigate risks based on the knowledge that we have at the time.
My stepdad’s belief that the COVID vaccine would kill him was based on what was fed to him on TikTok and YouTube - and there was no evidence to support that. The risk of dying from COVID was much higher. Had he been vaccinated, he would have lived. Had he been vaccinated, he might not have accidentally killed my immunocompromised mom. The conversations I had with him were along the lines of “Yes, it is a new vaccine and there are risks. However, we have a lot more evidence that COVID could kill you than that the vaccine would harm you. And COVID will absolutely kill mom.”
I was unfortunately proven correct in my judgment of the risks involved. I made a promise to them that I would tell their story and I will continue to honor that.
coastguy111@reddit
I am sorry for your losses. I couldn't even imagine what that's like for you to go through. So many questions, I hope the actual truth eventually comes to light for everyone to see it.
danceswsheep@reddit
Thank you, and I hope the same! I’m gonna be so mad if that dang vaccine causes problems for me long term though; I’ve had allllll the boosters, I’d get the supercharged version lol fml
technicolortiddies@reddit
I wish mad cow was studied more. They had an episode on boston legal in the late nineties/early 2000s that goes into it. Basically we can’t confirm or deny that dementia may be mad cow related & they don’t test cows enough in the US.
danceswsheep@reddit
Dang that’s scary! I looked into this because of your comment and found out that one of the ways folks can get Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease is from Mad Cow Disease, and CJD is indeed one of the ways folks can get dementia. So yeah Boston Legal was definitely on the case here
technicolortiddies@reddit
James spader & William shatner were ahead of their time 😂 if you haven’t seen it I recommend it! William’s character has dementia and desperately tries to cope. So he starts saying he has mad cow.
pm-me-cute-rabbits@reddit
Mt. Rainier eruption.
Disclaimer: I was a geology major in college but did not pursue a PhD and have not studied this specifically for about 10 years, so I may be out of the loop on more current research. But...
Yellowstone doesn't worry me at all, Mt. Rainier does. It's near a populated area, and from past eruptions we know the mud flows (lahars) are going to be very bad. Like one of the worst disasters in North American history bad. Now I know most people around the area are aware of this (and it's one of the most closely monitored volcanoes in the world), but realistically there's only so much we can do to prepare. And this won't just affect the west coast - the supply chain would also be heavily impacted. The effects will be felt all over North America.
Oh, and Vesuvius (of Pompeii fame) is also still a big threat, mostly due to the explosive nature of its eruptions and the fact it's so densely populated. The Italian government knows it's still dangerous and has tried to pay people to move further away, but without success. This doesn't affect me so much in the US, but worth mentioning. Big natural disasters are the ones that scare me the most, because there's just only so much we can do.
---Skip_lntro---@reddit (OP)
As a Washington state resident, Mt Rainer is a particularly ominous topic for me.
Yet despite the nightmare scenario this could be, I would still prefer a volcanic eruption here over a Cascadia Subduction Zone earthquake.
If you haven't already read this New Yorker article, the CSZ is on schedule to create a 8.0-9.0 earthquake sometime within this century - and the PNW isn't close to ready for it.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-one
BeneGezzWitch@reddit
Every once in a while I pull up the Oregon emergency plan for this scenario and just… panic. I don’t even live up there!
Fossilhog@reddit
You're correct about Yellowstone. It will not erupt in our lifetimes. It's been a long time since the dooming of early 2000s History/Discovery channels. We've applied a lot of geophysics to that place and have a very good idea of what's happening underground, and what needs to happen underground for it to have a major eruption. It is not a balloon waiting to pop.
monty845@reddit
I don't think we can promise it wont in our life times, but there would be years of build up that would certainly be detected.
Also, it very much isn't the end of the world people make it out to be. Nearest 2-3 states have areas that are in direct blast/giant falling rock danger. 4-6 States get ash-falls severe enough to destroy most things, at rates that people can't manage. Another dozen states have heavy disruption from Ash. About 35 states get enough ash to be a nuisance and damage agriculture...
Moderate volcanic winter will kill orders of magnitude more people than the impacts in North America, but only in areas with existing food security problems.
Fossilhog@reddit
No, I'm telling you as a geologist who has talked to the geophysicists who have worked at/on Yellowstone, we'll see the build up occuring over a century or more at the fastest. I'm pretty sure I could dig up podcasts where they've been interviewed saying this as well. And I should also be able to pull up the publications that discuss this. Hell, I bet I could find it on USGS's website somewhere.
DarkVandals@reddit
Vesuvius isnt the problem people think it is. Campi flegrei however is a supervolcano with a much more destructive history and VEI than Vesuvius. It will send us in to volcanic winter
smilescart@reddit
A volcanic winter sounds kinda nice. This summer was brutal
melympia@reddit
All part of the same volcanic system, as far as I can tell. Disclaimer: I'm not a geologist, just an interested layperson.
bigkoi@reddit
Yes. Crazy how the Napoli metro area is just.... volcanos.
smilescart@reddit
Having gone to Pompeii and then mt Etna in Sicily, it’s hard to undersell just how active the plates are under Italy. Pompei radically changed the coast line of that area if that’s any indication.
hremmingar@reddit
You heard about Grindavík?
New-Strategy-1673@reddit
What about Teidi? My understanding is if that goes properly, you can pretty much kiss goodbye to any coast that can see the Atlantic
Briax@reddit
do you think that is more imminent than the Cascadia megathrust? i always thought when that does go off it would likely trigger built up volcanic activity in the region
DeafHeretic@reddit
Pandemics, especially flu like variants, were predicted for years before Covid
I am given to understand that there were some indications of 9/11 like attacks before 9/11, but probably not that specific attack. I do not think it qualifies as a Black Swan type event because Black Swan events are either unknown or thought to be impossible - hence the name.
IllyrianWingspan@reddit
George W Bush had a pandemic plan when he was in office. IIRC, they were anticipating an avian flu pandemic 😬
technicolortiddies@reddit
Hopefully they can dust it off for H5N1. It has a death rate of 50% & has just passed onto humans. Covid was only ~1% IIRC
Uncle-rico96@reddit
I don’t think H5N1 will be able to spread as rapidly as COVID. As of today all reported cases have been in people who come into direct contact with infected animals… mainly farm workers.
It would take an infected farm worker to spread it to someone who lives in a city center for it to catch on. The most likely daisy chain of infection would have to have a few hand off points from a rural farm worker, to a small town person, to a suburban person, to a city person. A lot of potential to cut off that chain before it’s gets to a close contact place like a city. There is always a chance someone in a small town or a farmer travels to a city for vacation or something… but doesn’t seem likely.
COVID spread like wild fire because the first US cases were from people traveling from China to major city centers via airports.
I don’t know enough about human to human transmission of the H5N1 flu, but it seems less volatile than COVID
BeneGezzWitch@reddit
The US has had more cases in the last 2 months than the previous 20 years and there’s a teen in the ICU in British Colombia with no known contact with farms. Just sayin. I believe LA is now tracking it in their wastewater so that would be a good resource to see prevalence.
technicolortiddies@reddit
Was told the same thing by a Dr. Apparently we have some immunity with vaccines we already get. I feel way better about this.
DoubleEMom@reddit
Came here to say this. No one is paying attention to it.
johnnyringo1985@reddit
Just in the FWIW category, the death rate in humans has been much, much less than 50% in the US so far
IllyrianWingspan@reddit
They definitely won’t. It’ll be a eugenicist nightmare, all in the name of “the economy” and “personal freedom.”
technicolortiddies@reddit
I’m not ready for the world to change so much. I just can’t. Too damn tired of convincing my family we at least need a plan.
IllyrianWingspan@reddit
My family thinks I’m paranoid, despite living in a place where multiple types of natural disasters are probable. Three have occurred in my lifetime. I prep for all of those, and a future pandemic. They can roll their eyes and think I’m crazy, and maybe I’m like this because I’ve experienced significant trauma and have CPTSD. Maybe it IS hypervigilance. But I’d rather prep and never need this stuff, than need it and feel like I’ve let my family down by not prepping. What I’m saying is do it anyway. Hopefully, they’ll never have a reason to thank you for it.
technicolortiddies@reddit
Thank you for saying this. I could have written it myself. I’m still prepping but some plans are hard to make when your family isn’t 100% on board. Can’t exactly get a generator or extra freezer delivered or force them to have an emergency meeting point. Come to think of it, this topic would actually make a really interesting post. How to prep when your family thinks you’re chicken little.
Edhin_OShea@reddit
I have told my sister and my kids that her house is our emergency meeting place, even if her house isn't there anymore, that spot is still our meeting point. She laughed. But I think she realized I was serious. The reason is that she hates to move. She has been in that house for 19 years now. Whereas the rest of us have moved many, many times.
IllyrianWingspan@reddit
Big purchases are tough. For the meeting point, you can just tell them, “If X happens, meet me at Y.” Repeat it at intervals so they don’t forget. Then if it happens, they’ll hopefully remember. You can also print it out and have it in a binder with other info. Show them where the binder is and what’s in it. They don’t have to agree with everything, but they should know it’s available if needed. I have a little laminated card with all pertinent information that I put in my kid’s backpack, too.
technicolortiddies@reddit
That’s a good idea! I’m sure I’d get roasted for a binder but honestly it’s probably the smartest thing to do.
IllyrianWingspan@reddit
Let them roast you! I have no ego or shame when it comes to this.
spaceporter@reddit
I know this is morbid, but 50% death rate diseases tend to kill way fewer people than 1% lethality ones all else being equal. They kill the infected before they are passed on. There are exceptions, like HIV which is transmissible for months or years before killing, but most end up being like ebola, which is super scary if you are in a community struck by an outbreak but not really all that dangerous to the wider community as everyone dies before they transmit.
technicolortiddies@reddit
Is it sad that this is the best news I’ve heard all week? Thank you for brightening my day!
Responsible-Bread996@reddit
I seem to remember it being kicked up a notch with SARS-COV-1 was starting to give us a preview.
spaceporter@reddit
Obama took Bush's plan and expanded it. America had scientists deployed globally, including in Wuhan, trying to find new viruses with the capacity to jump species. Trump ended that program.
Given the number of epidemics related to avian and swine flus over the preceding two decades, it's highly likely that we didn't suffer at least one pandemic thanks to Bush and Obama. It's plausible, although maybe less likely given the level of contagiousness, that we only suffered through Covid thanks to Trump.
ST-2x@reddit
Covid spread rapidly across the globe. In reality nothing could have stopped it. Blaming it on trump is absurd
spaceporter@reddit
As I said, it's less likely that we could have stopped it compared to influenza-based epidemics due to the contagion level, but there were already reports locally in December and the world didn't shutdown until Mid-March. If America still had a team in Wuhan with the sole mandate of identifying viruses with the potential to rapidly spread across the globe, then it's plausible we could have isolated the area and shut it down (something China in retrospect was clearly willing and able to do).
Would it have worked? Who knows. We become more globally connected by the year. Maybe those early influenza viruses identified by the teams put in place by Bush and enhanced by Obama would not have been halted just 5–10 years later because of increased air traffic.
chris_rage_is_back@reddit
Funny... I remember him being called raycis for trying to limit flights coming from China and all the democrats going to Chinatown in ~solidarity~ for propaganda
Away-Map-8428@reddit
imagine not knowing more than one neolib party can do something bad let alone that each can have propaganda. seems like a poor prep on your part.
oh well is guess c19 suffers from being an enemy that is both strong and weak. Funny, I remember someone saying it was just the flu. Funny, I remember someone saying to Bob Woodward on tape that it was really bad.
Oh well, I guess I will just sit here with my government packaged masks that were given to me as a healthcare worker in march 2020.
chris_rage_is_back@reddit
I got covid (no stupid shots) and I had a headache for 4 days. No lung stuff and I was run down for another 4 days. I'll gladly take that instead of the myocarditis shots
gears89@reddit
Funny. I had a similar reaction when I got COVID. I was down bad for about a week. And I even had reactions to the initial shots, the ones nowadays not so much. And I would absolutely take the shots over getting hit with COVID again. I don't ever want to go through that again. Not to mention the lingering effect I've had of not being able to run at all without nearly passing out. Before I got COVID I could still run about a mile before feeling pretty winded, but when I started walking/running again after I got COVID, I found that I could barely run for 50' without nearly passing out. Now I've slowly been coming back from that but my busy schedule keeps me from being able to exercise as often as I would like.
chris_rage_is_back@reddit
I didn't really get any of that, I was back to normal in about 8 days but I was only sick for 4, I was weak for the other 4 days. I'll gladly take that over the questionable shots. They lost me when they gave the vaccine companies full immunity from liability
gears89@reddit
I can understand that but given the rate that people have had issues post-covid, and the higher risk of hospitalization and complications if you haven't gotten the vaccine and catch covid, verses the microscopic chances of having a serious reaction to the vaccine, I personally would rather take my chances with getting the vaccine than not.
Away-Map-8428@reddit
Yes thank you for proving my point; it is both strong and weak. A strongman mocks his enemies as being weak and ineffectual but also that they are dangerous and after you and that the strongman is the only one who can save you.
so either the c19 was dangerous and flights needed to be cancelled or it is something with minor symptoms. cognitive dissonance.
Dessertcrazy@reddit
On average, a single instance of Covid while unvaccinated lowers IQ by 6 points. How many times did you get it?
chris_rage_is_back@reddit
Once and I guarantee you I'll never get it again. I wasn't sick for 25 years before that. I just don't get sick, this was a manipulated novel virus so my body had no antibodies but now that I do it'll never happen again
Dessertcrazy@reddit
You clearly have zero knowledge of biology or viruses. It’s ok, I had a friend who said the same thing. I got vaccinated. She died. But she sure showed me!
chris_rage_is_back@reddit
I'll take my chances, thanks
MysteriousStaff3388@reddit
He was calling it the “China Flu”. Trump actively tried to make his followers vilify the Chinese (and by default all Asians). His dog whistles were heard.
chris_rage_is_back@reddit
IT FUCKING CAME FROM CHINA, WHAT DO YOU WANT HIM TO CALL IT, THE ARCTIC FLU OR SOME BULLSHIT? THEY'RE NAMED AFTER WHERE THEY CAME FROM
MysteriousStaff3388@reddit
I think Covid 19 was a pretty good name.
Why the fuck are you so angry? Calm down. You men are so emotional. It’s pathetic.
preppers-ModTeam@reddit
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TheseusOPL@reddit
He should have called in Covid-19. It wasn't the flu, so calling it the anything flu was dumb. Virus outbreaks aren't necessarily called by where they came from. The first case of the 1918 flu epidemic was in Kansas, yet we don't call it the "Kansas Flu."
chris_rage_is_back@reddit
Either way hes was trying to do something while actively being resisted by the left. And the Republicans weren't the ones trying to force me to get an untested medical procedure or lose my job, I'll never forgive them for that and as such I'll never vote D for anything as a result, regardless of the candidate or their position
spaceporter@reddit
There was a lot of unhelpful crosstalk at the time.
In Canada, many people were arguing that we need to "close the border", while others were rightly pointing out that it isn't possible. However, the "close the border" people mostly meant "close the border [to non-necessary travel]" and the "that's not possible" people mostly meant "that's not possible [but we should be limiting border crossings to necessary travel]", i.e. the same thing.
There were also loads of people absolutely being racist about the Chinese, which made it super hard for people who aren't racist to say "maybe we need more screening or border limits" and not be group in with that very hostile minority.
I lived in East Asia for a decade, mostly in Japan. I was visiting home when the swine flu outbreak occurred and was immensely impressed with how Japan handled that when I returned.
First, we sat on the tarmac until people in biosuits came on and took everyone's temperature. We all had to fill out forms stating where we lived. We also had to go through two sets of special outbreak quarantine stops in the airport between security and customs for followup temperature and symptom checks. Instead of regular public transport (mostly trains and highway buses), we were put on private buses that stopped at your local stations (even with intelligent groupings by area, this took a long time—which might have been half the reason as we got temperature checks, again). The government then paid us to sit in our apartments for five days and delivered us food daily to make it possible.
chris_rage_is_back@reddit
That would have been the smart way to handle it instead of the debacle they performed instead. And nobody talks about Fauci giving money to Peter Dazak to fund Eco Health Alliance that funded the gain-of-function research going on at the Wuhan lab that kicked off the whole pandemic when an employee was infected and brought it to the general public. Why isn't he being investigated? Was he getting direction from higher up the chain?
MysteriousStaff3388@reddit
But denying it was a problem. That it was contagious. That vaccines helped. Hoarding PPE. Sending ventilators to Putin. Not counting cases. Playing silly beggars with blue states.
Nothing Trump did, didn’t make it worse.
steelersfan1020@reddit
Source?
steelersfan1020@reddit
Would any downvoters care to share why I’m being downvoted?
AAAAHaSPIDER@reddit
https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/17/the-art-of-the-pandemic-how-donald-trump-walked-the-u-s-into-the-covid-19-era/
This is what I can find.
AAAAHaSPIDER@reddit
And this https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ap-top-news-virus-outbreak-barack-obama-public-health-ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a
preppers-ModTeam@reddit
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Coronel-Lingus@reddit
We’re prepared now, our president has a concept of a plan.
spaceporter@reddit
I've recently been thinking a lot about how McCain probably saved a lot of lives by saving Obamacare, and now there is a more compliant, stronger majority in the Senate. It would not have happened today. How many people who not have sought help and instead just spread their disease without nearly-universal healthcare?
What's happening next?
ComicCon@reddit
To be specific. Bush put together a pandemic plan because he read The Great Influenza and thought “woah, we’d be fucked if that happened again”. Kind of shows just how predictable something like COVID was. Even Bush, someone not known for his great foresight, realized having a plan in place would be a pretty good idea.
iridescent-shimmer@reddit
Yeah there was a swine flu outbreak (can't remember if it reached pandemic status) when I was in college during the Obama administration. Students were quarantined and sent home often that winter.
I also read the book Spillover right before covid started and there was a whole chapter titled The Next Big One. They literally talk about how something similar to SARS that had a little lower death rate could spread more quickly and be a significant concern, because that region of China (Wuhan) is now much more globally connected than it was in 2003. There are certain regions of the world that have more spillover events of zoonotic illnesses, that being one of them.
Legitimate-Article50@reddit
I worked ICU that year as a nurse. We were tagging and bagging multiple bodies a day. It was 2013.
Scary shit. I remember patients with fevers so high we’d have them iced down and fans blowing. They would still hit 106 degrees Fahrenheit. The leads on our cardiac monitors started malfunctioning. We learned that if we had to place a breathing tube it was over for the patient. No shit; we’d be intubate and their lungs were so fibrotic we’d have a hard time ventilating them.
It was as scary as Covid. But we didn’t shut down. It was a weird year.
Remarkable_Ad5011@reddit
As someone that refused to be put on a vent and survived c19.. this sent chills down my spine. (Dr had already informed my spouse that I was going on a vent and to start making my final arrangements).
Legitimate-Article50@reddit
I think that is probably what saved you. If it was delta variant and you needed to vent your chances of survival dropped significantly if you went on a vent.
My husband passed away from Covid related heart attack. We were able to keep him off the vent but the clots went to his coronary arteries. He had one heart attack and the hospital was able to get him to catch lab and place stents. But the second one occurred 2 1/2 weeks later and he kept coding.
Remarkable_Ad5011@reddit
Drs never “officially” diagnosed as Delta, but every nurse I spoke with for the 37 days I spent in the hospital all said it had to have been. Based on my health level, how quickly/hard it hit me, and lack of pre-x. I did wind up with a pulmonary embolism on the left side. I also had HCM, that did eventually subside, but now have a slightly leaky heart valve. 2 years later diagnosed with gall stones/sludge and before I could have surgery for that developed acute pancreatitis with infected necrosis. I’ve met so many c19 survivors that within 2 years had to have cholecystectomy. I figure my kidneys are next since I was given Remdesevir (or however it’s spelled).
Legitimate-Article50@reddit
Wow! That’s awful. I’m so sorry you’ve had to deal with that.
The first wave variant was slow. From first evidence of symptoms to time of needing hospitalization was average 2 weeks. It was more elderly and the lungs were more affected at the tissue level. Think pulmonary fibrosis.
The second wave/delta variant hit younger people. My husband was 42. The youngest death we had in my hospital was 19. The time from onset of symptoms to needing hospitalization was one week. The blood clots were insane. It was almost like DIC which is a coagulation disorder that occurs after trauma. Thousands of micro emboli.
What we observed with Covid delta variant patients was the large amount of patients that developed appendicitis. It was crazy. Before Covid we would see maybe one case of appendicitis a month. During Covid it was multiple in a day. It affected livers too. We knew if there was an elevation in liver enzymes there was going to be a worsening of the patients condition. All of this is anecdotal of course. We were learning as we went.
Remarkable_Ad5011@reddit
Sounds like I better learn to recognize any signs of appendicitis! I was 45 and the hospital told me they’d had a very heathy, athletic 25 year old male succumb to the virus. So sorry you lost your husband. I had to consider that situation at one point as my spouse had cancer many years ago. Fortunately, spouse is a survivor and doing well now. But even having to consider what my family would have to do after I was gone made me fight even harder to take every “next” breath. I wasn’t about to leave my teenage daughter fatherless and my spouse husband less.
abouttothunder@reddit
H1N1 2009 (swine flu). It was nasty and it killed people, but not on the scale they were expecting. The vaccine was out within six month of discovery of the variant, but the epidemic peaked a couple of weeks before the vaccine became available. Kid and I caught, and he ended up in the ER.
Blank_bill@reddit
Steven King's Bachman book The Running Man ended with the Mc flying a plane into a corporate high rise. This was many years before 9/11 and when it happened my first thought was they read Running Man.
Uncle-rico96@reddit
I did a research paper debunking 9/11 conspiracies when I was a junior in highschool.
The most interesting thing I read was that a major name brand telecoms company (can’t remember which one), was actually planning to expand cell service to Afghanistan and Iraq. The Clinton administration was going to allow surveillance of phone calls on known terrorist cells and associates, but the deal with the telecoms company fell through and never was implemented in those countries, so the government had limited access to terrorist communications.
Security experts think that if the deal went through, we would have caught wind of the attack via phone taps…
LastSonofAnshan@reddit
“Bin Laden Determined to Attack inside US”
brushyourface@reddit
Osama Bin Laden was on the cover of a major publication around 2000 with the caption "the most dangerous man in the world" and there was a great article about him and the terror cells around the world
Wild_Locksmith_326@reddit
Also listed on silence of the iambs sequel on the FBI most wanted page 3 months before the attacks.
Fantastic_Baseball45@reddit
Dan Rather interviewed him in Afghanistan. He was very clear about his intentions. I watched it on the news.
msdibbins@reddit
When the second plane hit, I immediately knew it was Osama Bin Laden, because I had just watched a 60 Minutes piece they did on him.
agent_flounder@reddit
And let's not forget the 1993 WTC bombing.
FatherOfGreyhounds@reddit
Tom Clancy's "Debt of Honor" came out in 1994. It features a fully fueled 747 being crashed into the capitol building... so, yes - 9/11 like attacks were contemplated prior to it occurring.
Wild_Locksmith_326@reddit
And the plans for the attack were found in Manila PI after a fire, but IS intelligence agencies didn't rate it as possible. So much for intelligence agencies Crystal ball.
DeafHeretic@reddit
To show my age, Dean Ing's "Soft Targets"
bigkoi@reddit
As early as the 1970's. In March 2000 I was just out of college and did work at a data center that was used for a lot of the UK government services and was originally constructed in the late 1970's. I recall the people saying it was built to withstand a 737....at the time I thought that's dumb why not build it to withstand a bomb.
JoeCabron@reddit
Probably 737 could cause some kind of crazy. I think one of them lost a nose wheel somewhere. Depending on where the parts fall could cause a chain reaction, I guess. From just what happened with Helene, I can describe one occurrence. The NOAA tower was on a nuke plant. Helene tore it off and it went into some transformer type enclosure . Resulted in one reactor shutdown, from chain reaction of short circuiting.
Suspicious_Bet1359@reddit
Think it was built to withstand a 717.
bigkoi@reddit
Maybe. The discussion happened almost 25 years ago.
Fickle_Stills@reddit
there was an x files spinoff show that used a 'terrorists try to hijack a plane and crash it in the WTC' plot in early 2001. At that point the plan was already in motion by the real terrorists... I wonder if they saw the show and if they did, what they thought of it.
Ruthless4u@reddit
Think I remember that one, been forever since I read it
Dumbkitty2@reddit
Same. And thought about it while in a tunnel under the Capitol several years ago - which was too small and narrow to allow many people to escape in the event of a disaster.
flortny@reddit
I remember reading a book where a guy used remote control cessnas to attack shipping hubs and used stock mkt to profit, late 90's. "lion's game" nelson demille
infiltrateoppose@reddit
In general the risk of one was predicted - just as the likelihood of periodic terrorist attacks can be predicted - but neither were predicted with much useful specificity.
seabirdsong@reddit
No, there were clear indications about the specific 9/11 attack. The "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." report that Bush and Condoleeza got from the CIA right before 9/11 was apparently very detailed.
Dumbkitty2@reddit
I remember reading there was a war game scheduled in 2000 that featured planes flying into the WTC but it was canceled for being unrealistic.
mamasan2000@reddit
Do we know if there are any war games post Covid that are something OTHER than a pandemic?
NiceGuy737@reddit
Have you read about the war games going on before and during 9/11
https://youtu.be/D7GrV2LUGGU?si=IiImsEJYXl0vJ0lg
Kerensky97@reddit
Exactly, pandemics come through pretty regularly. Covid was just the first one we really dropped the ball on stopping. H1N1, Bird Flu, Ebola, etc. All were snuffed out before they could spread.
Now bird flu is threatening again and I'm wondering if people are going to dismiss it and lead to a covid like spread. Covid has about a 3-5% mortality rate, H5N1 has 54% mortality rate. If people ignore the threats and let it spread like the last pandemic there would be a lot of deaths before people woke up.
After-Leopard@reddit
I remember dismissing the early Covid talk because the other ones always fizzled out and odds were that this one would too.
Comprehensive_Post96@reddit
I got Y2K vibes from the initial coverage in February 2020.
Wellslapmesilly@reddit
I was watching the coverage coming out of China in January and prepping for it by February.
mamasan2000@reddit
Same.
prepsson@reddit
SerpentZA and Laowhy86 were reporting about it early, so in december 2019 i had the gut feeling of "that doesn't look right" and stocked up on P3 filters and masks for my parents, and other necessities.
deadasfishinabarrel@reddit
It is transmissible to pets and the fatality rate in cats is 67% (though I previously heard 95%, which may have been based on data from older outbreaks, but may indicate how bad it will get). If nothing else gets peoples attention, that will. Though people don't like cats as much as dogs so... who knows.
LiminalWanderings@reddit
OP is really asking about Grey Swan events without realizing it
Fantastic_Baseball45@reddit
An EMP would fit this definition
LiminalWanderings@reddit
Yeah. Agree.
Syonoq@reddit
Today I was one of the 10,000. Thanks.
DeafHeretic@reddit
Miyake Events were Black Swan before 2012 or so.
Cascadian Subduction Zone earthquakes were before about 1980?
smilescart@reddit
No the White House had evidence that bin Laden and Muhammad atah were planning an attack in the U.S. using planes lmao. Cheney just slept on the warnings.
Kitchen-Till1512@reddit
I was a history major in college in the 80s. I knew with no doubt there would be a few pandemics in my lifetime since we were long overdue. It became a minor hobby to read up on any bird flu variant and Ebola strain and see if it was the "one". So when it did happen I knew earlier than most people.
BlakeClass@reddit
Warren Buffet even mentions it in passing in one of his shareholder meetings when asked why he doesn’t ever short stocks.
“It’s a miserable way to make money, I don’t want to sit around waiting for a flu epidemic.”
That was 10-20 years ago iirc.
DeafHeretic@reddit
Yes - history has shown us pandemics are a risk, for centuries.
dewdropcat@reddit
Bill Clinton knew that there was a terrorist plan in the works and tried to warn Bush but Bush wouldn't take it seriously.
Reduntu@reddit
herdaz@reddit
Now watch this drive
MysteriousStaff3388@reddit
Putting food on the families.
treelawburner@reddit
Exactly. And now we're essentially ignoring the climate crisis/ecological collapse that every indication is telling us is coming.
DeafHeretic@reddit
Or, the bigger issue that even those warning us about Climate Change are not mentioning (at least not in the MSM discussions/etc.); Peak Carrying Capacity.
Climate Change/etc., is just one of the symptoms of PCC.
In my remaining lifetime (15-20 years), or that of my children, we may not see, the "die off" on the predicted scale (hundreds of millions to billions of humans), but it is coming, and as the effects worsen over time, people who prep to be self-sufficient and locate away from population centers, will have an advantage over those who don't.
We are already seeing the issues around the world - drought, famine, other weather issues, social unrest in crowded metro areas getting out of control. Over time, it is only going to get worse.
JoeCabron@reddit
It’s definitely going to impact a good portion of waterfront buildings in Florida. Due to the drain on the aquifer, it’s causing sea water to intrude under large portions of the coast line. Many of the building’s pilings are showing signs of crumbling. Not anything that would cause a major event, though.
alphabarbie@reddit
Exactly, my old virology professor published a paper in 2018 about how the next pandemic will be caused by a coronavirus... Brilliant man, we should really listen to our scientists...
Curious_Papaya_2376@reddit
There were warnings of 9/11, some say, it is now discussed as an intelligence failure. Was not communicated properly.
ertri@reddit
SARS also happened under W which spurred some pandemic preparedness too
Low_Beautiful_5970@reddit
There was indications on both fronts. Yup.
hot_dog_pants@reddit
It's frustrating that people will act like another pandemic is a Black Swan event even though it's not. Scientists have been watching H5N1 since the late '90s due to its pandemic potential.
tehdamonkey@reddit
Those are wide paintbrushes though. It's like saying there is going to be an earthquake in California. Of course there is... but narrow it down.
Potential-Ad2185@reddit
They attacked the WTF with the intent to bring it down in 1993. There’s no telling who and how many are in the US now planning an attack.
CockyBulls@reddit
They’re all in Dearborn and they voted for DT, except… oops, he’s pro Israel. 😂
Oudedoos@reddit
The commercial rollout of affordable Sexrobots ....its coming soon and its going to be apocalyptic
EternalSage2000@reddit
Why did everyone suddenly stop having children?
CypherCake@reddit
Hyperbole. People are still having children, just not as many. More people do have none, but a lot of people have one-two when a generation earlier they may have had two-three. It all adds up. Attitudes have changed, because contraception means having babies is a choice and not just something that happens.
Pregnancy sucks, so does childbirth, with real risks of disability and death (yes even with good healthcare). Most women don't want to do that a bunch of times.
Producing and rearing human young is hard fucking work, no matter which way you slice it (the task, don't slice the babies). Western society doesn't want to support anyone with this endeavour e.g. by ensuring access to things parents need, or like how most boomer parents won't help despite relying on their own parents.
I know a lot of people only having one child because their experience with the first child was so difficult, and the lack of family support etc they just don't want to do it again. And these are people who are intelligent and economically secure, could certainly afford several more.
Fearless-Design-7259@reddit
Tldr: a variety of economic and social factors, varying between countries but summing to a global problem.
Too many reasons to count on reddit but lots of good research has been done. Off the top of my head:
Birth rates have always dropped with increases in wealth- you don't need kids for retirement/labor/dowries, but they still cost a lot to raise.
More widespread access to contraception and sex ed.
Lowering levels of sex hormones leading to lower libido and lower fertility - I don't think we fully know why this is but my money is on industrial byproducts and micro plastics.
In some countries there is a huge gender gap- like China when the one child policy led to many infant girls being killed so now there are many more young men than young women.
In some countries there is an oppressive work culture and economy that prevents real socialization or room for child rearing- Japan and SK come to mind.
In America we there are many more lonely isolated young adults, not meeting people, not having sex, and not developing the skills that will make either of those happen in the future. This is compounded by the perception of a harder dating market. Young men don't approach women because being seen as a creep or "simp" even with good respectful intentions will follow you for far longer than the possibility of a date is worth.
EternalSage2000@reddit
Dude.
I commented on a guy saying cheap sex robots were going to be the cause of the apocalypse.
I’m just laughing at the idea that we go extinct because we stop having children because of cheap robots.
kalitarios@reddit
“Why buy the cow…” /s
Carrie_1968@reddit
“… when you don’t even know how to milk it.”
kalitarios@reddit
You finished the sentence i had typed but truncated… nice!
tehdamonkey@reddit
You just don't know the right people. It's like Idiocracy. My smart friends aren't, but my cousins up in the hills all have 7 kids and one on the way...
wejustwanttofeelgood@reddit
Cuz no one can afford it 🥲
kaishinoske1@reddit
It will be apocalyptic to governments. Technology will further cement this because for men, they will have sex robots. For women there will be A.i. they will also have relationships they can text and talk to.
NanditoPapa@reddit
Women also enjoy physical sex. Men have a higher emotional attachment rate in relationships than women, hence the higher suicide rate after breakups. The reality of the situation and the popular narrative around it are not the same. 🤷🏽♂️
Carrie_1968@reddit
Nothing supports a claim that men have higher emotional attachments. Men do often become violent when their ego takes a hit, like “I don’t want to be with you anymore”, which is the actual reason seen over and over and over when they either end their own lives OR MUCH MORE LIKELY end the life of the woman and sometimes their children or new love interest.
NanditoPapa@reddit
I'm sorry you've had bad experiences. Hopefully you'll stop spreading misandrist narratives and learn to heal.
In the meantime, to dispell any misinformation for people reading your comment, here's a good article on men and intimacy: https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/demystifying-talk-therapy/202202/men-really-want-emotional-intimacy
Carrie_1968@reddit
This is confusing. I think you accidentally responded to the wrong post because I’ve neither had bad experiences nor have I stated any misandrist narratives.
I’ll hang onto your directive to heal though, just in case one of you causes me damage.
After-Leopard@reddit
Also good men will still have relationships with real women. The guys who would be bad partners and fathers will be less likely to procreate
Wasteland-Scum@reddit
Not according to my grampa
wtfredditacct@reddit
This is somehow funny, sad, frightening, and possibly true all at once. Give men good sex that's easy and comes with (albeit shallow) emotional support and the human race ceases to exist.
It'll start in the west, though, where people have money to afford sex robots. Then the only ones having children will be the shitty 3rd work countries with oppressive cultures. Next thing you know, we're in an episode of Rick and Morty.
RemeAU@reddit
Birth rates are already dropping in the west. Governments will just resort to more and more immigration until the entire world is just 3rd world countries run by the richest 0.1%.
StarlightLifter@reddit
Good thing the US just elected into power the party that pathologically hates brown people despite that fact they subsidize a shitload of our labor, at mostly sub minimum wage
wtfredditacct@reddit
So Trump was your black swan event. Got it. What preps did you make in case of this eventuality and how are they working? Anything you'd have done differently?
StarlightLifter@reddit
Where did I say that was my black swan event?
wtfredditacct@reddit
StarlightLifter@reddit
Oh nice you know how to use copy and paste 👍
wtfredditacct@reddit
You asked a question and I answered. Not my fault your own words were the best way to do it.
StarlightLifter@reddit
I replied to a sub comment mentioning politics addressing the topic of the sub comment not the topic OP posted about. Learn how Reddit works.
wtfredditacct@reddit
yourslice@reddit
The world has way too many people. There aren't going to be jobs because of AI. Fuck the robots and have fun! What am I missing? A few people will still have children...which is all we need at this point.
Acaciaenthusiast@reddit
That's not a black swan event, Charles Stross wrote about it in Saturn's Children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn%27s_Children_(novel)
Carrie_1968@reddit
Affordable rubber corpses came out many years ago. The dozen or so men friends I have fit into two categories — those who have zero problem attracting women, and those who purchased one or more rubber corpses to essentially masturbate into. They’re literally affordable enough that you can get a few of them to make yourself feel like you have a variety of [not real] girlfriends.
There will be nothing apocalyptic about them, as the gents who mount these things were never at any risk of impregnating a real or living female. I’d bet there are infinitely more guys who have these things than you’d ever know, but sadly, admitting that you own/use one still puts you at risk for mockery so many guys don’t let peers know.
BobbyPeele88@reddit
I'll be in my bunk.
Hot-Profession4091@reddit
Unexpected Firefly.
mortalitylost@reddit
Tell your mom nothing can replace her for me
shanghainese88@reddit
Bill Gates and many others were on the record in a documentary saying the next pandemic is around the corner, before Covid.
Right now there are many things competing to be the next big black swan. My money’s on AGI, population collapse, and bad climate.
coastguy111@reddit
He also created CEPI in 2017. Interesting timing
shanghainese88@reddit
For sure.
xikbdexhi6@reddit
I'm extremely not worried about AGI, if being extremely not worried is a thing. Bad climate though, as soon as crops start to fail die to extreme temperatures or rain levels, people will die en masse.
shanghainese88@reddit
Poor countries will be harder hit. America has surplus grains
Chaos_Gardening@reddit
The aquifer that supplies our excess grain is drying up with no alternative.
shanghainese88@reddit
True.
Fearless-Design-7259@reddit
Far before that, they will flood into colder (northern/developed/wealthier) countries. Americans elected a reality TV star when they had thousands of immigrants at the border. What will happen when much of the most densely populated parts of South America is hostile to life and there are 10s of millions of climate refugees? My money is on a chain reaction
xikbdexhi6@reddit
I'm not convinced North America will be the place to be when climate changes. Temps could get really hot, or really.l cold. We could even see both during a single growing season. Flooding or drought could impact a lot of the US crops. The rich will certainly try to hoard resources, leaving the 99% to starve.
chi-nyc@reddit
I thought the global population was still increasing?
th30be@reddit
There is a peak where there are just too many people and then people start dying. I think there was a paper released recently saying that we are starting to plateau but I haven't read it.
iridescent-shimmer@reddit
Only in developing nations, and honestly that's only due to church influences if you look back through history. I can't think of a single developed nation where the birth rate is higher than replacement rate.
shanghainese88@reddit
Israel. That’s it. All other developed >2.1 TFR are tiny population island countries.
shanghainese88@reddit
We still haven’t an economy model where the economy could keep pace when a country’s population is shrinking. Just look at S Korea. There will be huge consequences when pops and gdp starts shrinking.
op4@reddit
A significant escalation in hostility in the Russian/Ukrainian conflict, which leads to Russia using a tactical nuke, to cover its losses and save face after such a poor showing of its military on the world stage.
Once this event occurs, things will rapidly decline as America steps in and sends in medical and other assistance as advisors, some of which will inevitably be killed, stirring the nation to unite against Russian aggression.
Next, we begin bringing in US and NATO troops to stabilize the situation which only serves to inflame Russia, who then throws 100k North Korean troops in into action, seeking to push the "invaders" out. This and the supplemental Russian assets push deep into Ukraine only to be stopped and pushed back into Russia. The push continues back into the Russian homeland where again it uses a tactical nuke to stop the army's progress. America responds immediately with it's own nukes effectively decapitating the Russian leadership, but not before they launch a full scale nuclear strike in the US and it's allies.
Boom. All gone.
IpsumProlixus@reddit
Oh i know this one. Methane explosion from thawing permafrost or algae bloom deaths.
We just crossed 1.5C global temperature increase which tips the dominoes over faster.
1 deg warming of the ocean results in more CO2 released than all other emissions combined in total since the industrial revolution.
If the algae blooms that provide nearly 50% of Earth’s oxygen die from increased acidification or temperature we are fucked in less than 6 months.
The thawing permafrost has trapped enormous amounts of methane which is a more harmful greenhouse gas than CO2 is. The explosion in methane will greatly accelerate the runaway train effect of global warming which is well underway.
You haven’t seen anything yet.
heyflyguy@reddit
China v Taiwan earlier than expected. Totally shuts down electronics exports. China crashes power grid in USA. China EMPs GPS satellites. Back to 1981.
OnlyOneMoreSleep@reddit
Your last sentence makes this almost seem like a good thing, tbh.
Optimal-King5408@reddit
AI poses an extinction level risk to our species - not sure if that’s considered a black swan since black swans I feel are associated with something that we can recover from
Away_Somewhere_4230@reddit
Black swan event is multifaceted events all leading in the same way like israel attacks iran, usa oil barrel prices go up double, fuel prices go up, food cant be shipped to stores anymore, stock market crashes due different foods then cant be made because people cant move anywhere to get supplies to make different commodities, crypto goes thru the roof and offsets all of blackrocks assets that usually falsely holds us where they need us to be (poor) and the economy crashes then people get upset with this situation and they go wreck stuff everywhere then draco/ snakes get revealed uso discosure instead of angel helpers and we all go what the heck with the last of whats left.
pdx2las@reddit
Honestly, ET. These congressional hearings, even without any hard evidence, are giving a little too much weight to something that I thought was "in a galaxy, far, far away."
The government is lying about something. But if they're using ET as the cover, what is it they're actually hiding?
I'm in the US, so I'll use the analogy of our two oceans as a "buffer" against potential invasion. Lets just say ET is here. If even the speed of light isn't a barrier for these things, if it isn't a "buffer" that keeps them there and us here, how does one prepare against that?
I believe ETs exist, but thats one thing. If they're here (again, BIG if) thats entirely another thing. It would be a massive big swan if it was true.
DiscombobulatedHat19@reddit
First contact
Big-Schlong-Meat@reddit
18 months away
rg123itsme@reddit
Fantastic answer. Almost no one would seriously entertain the idea an advanced life form will arrive and completely disrupt life as we know it.
Hairy_Talk_4232@reddit
The House of Reps just had its second oversight committee hearing on UAP/NHI secrets and the Senate will have one in a few days. A few whistleblowers are of the stance that we are and have been visited prolifically by non-human intelligences with vastly superior tech.
license_to_kill_007@reddit
Just curious, are you religious by chance?
BlakeClass@reddit
Why do you ask him that? Just curious.
JaqenMcCockiner@reddit
Religious people are more likely to believe in stuff that doesn’t exist
Hairy_Talk_4232@reddit
Somewhat buddhist, but no not really. I grew up pentacostal christian. Became atheist then “spiritual” after listening to Alan Watts and having experiences. The alien stuff didnt start until last year’s hearing, but I believe they have certainly influenced many religions in our history to say the least. Whether for good or not is not for me to say.
license_to_kill_007@reddit
Interesting. We have almost exactly the same background then except my upbringing was Independent Baptist.
Hairy_Talk_4232@reddit
What made the change? Would you call yourself anything now?
license_to_kill_007@reddit
I would say I take a little wisdom from many sources, test the ideas, and I keep what works for me. No bullshit. No blind walk into faith. I do my best to do right by me, my friends and family, and others. I try to be a decent human.
I believe we have overcomplicated religion and belief. I think the Bible was intended to be a philosophical bootloader for a society in the even this small tribal group died off and another could keep civilization going, etc. The ideas are simple. We are not, and we over optimize and complicate. Keep it simple. Walk the path of less is more. Be chill. That's my mantra.
If 'others' visit, then they do. I'm not going to wig out over it.
ShinyTogetic_@reddit
Diary of a CEO podcast just had an ex-pentagon official on their show to discuss this for 90 minutes. Link here to the conversation on YouTube.
I'm still skeptical myself, but he discusses why we as society haven't disclosed more information to the public about what we do know. It would dismantle our understanding of our own world, it would create public discourse we can't control, it might tear apart some religions, etc.
driverdan@reddit
So far all of the whistleblowers have done is spread hearsay and have had zero evidence.
Some rando on Reddit claims it's true so it must be.
mortalitylost@reddit
Nth contact... just public this time
Syenadi@reddit
Just the acknowledgement of ”NHIs” by officials is considered by some to be some grand reality shattering thing but if the average person’s life is not impacted at all and they still have to go to work, pay the Visa bill, and fix the car, and the planet remains spiraling into ecological oblivion, it’s not going to change anything.
BTW, where the hell is my actual hoverboard?
_zarathustra@reddit
What is an NHI?
Syenadi@reddit
"Non Human Intelligence" as in"smart beings from out there" (vs those NHI who already live here, like Cephalopods, dolphins, and corvids).
_zarathustra@reddit
Thanks! Can you link to the acknowledgement you're referring to? I'm seeing some on google, but curious which specific news item.
Syenadi@reddit
I don't think there has been any such clear statement and presentation of clear evidence that NHIs have visited Earth. I was just arguing that if there had been and nothing else changes people's lives, it would end up being not a big deal.
The other assumption I find odd is that any such NHIs would have interacted with governments (have you seen goverrnments?) and that governments control information about them. If they wanted to be known, they would not be stopped by mere human governments.
Omfgeveryusernameist@reddit
You'll want to google "Immaculate Constellation", I believe.
https://mace.house.gov/immaculateconstellation
Is the actual document, but there's a whole hearing or whatever posted to youtube.
Millennial_on_laptop@reddit
Not so much their mere existence, but if they had any advanced tech they were willing to share or trade for it's a game changer.
GlocksnFeet@reddit
You’re 100% right. Funny thing is that multiple officials have said NHI is real over the past year or so. We’ve even had two congressional hearings on the topic in the past two weeks. People just don’t care because it does not directly impact them at this point. We should be pissed though; a few have said that we have life changing tech that has just been buried. Energy bills could have been a thing of the past.
Subli-minal@reddit
The problem is all these hearings and disclosures come to the same conclusion. “NHIs are real, defense contractors have recovered craft, let’s talk about his further in a secret hearing no one else will be privy to and continue to provide no substantive public evidence of our claims.” It’s fucking excluding the smoke and mirrors the modern neoliberal takes to do anything. Their two gods are the dollar and the status quo. We’re at the point of discloseing the existence of extra terrestrial life and they’re still not doing it.
Winter_Persimmon_110@reddit
I bet the real government conspiracy is that every UFO story the military propagates is a fake diversionary tactic.
Subli-minal@reddit
For what? They already have the culture war for that.
Debidollz@reddit
Yeah, I don’t understand why my European friends think I’m crazy when I tell them about govt hearings talking about 👽and 🛸. I hope and do think it’s true, but would like to see absolute proof and footage of them.
MonsterMash64@reddit
Project Blue Beam.
backland-vice@reddit
Maybe, but it's not possible to estimate the likelihood that ETs would respect our ape social status hierarchies and restrict their unambiguous presence to the subset that they've accurately identified as "government".
Concrete__Blonde@reddit
It really seems like a gradual rollout, right? Like all three Hollywood films that desensitize us to it, the congressional hearings, the History Channel and Netflix documentaries….
driverdan@reddit
That doesn't make any sense. If you actually look into all of these things you'll see they're nonsense, especially the garbage that History Channel and Netflix put out. The congressional hearings are laughable too.
randynumbergenerator@reddit
Who's "They"? Is this another "predictive programming" conspiracy thing?
mortalitylost@reddit
I pay attention because it's like the tabloids but kinda real this time and it's the more fun news than anything else going on.
Noticed this one guy Lue Elizondo who keeps saying we have to "give amnesty to certain people if we want disclosure", because serious crimes have been committed to keep it all a secret. People have been killed, so he and Grusch has said.
Honestly that convinced me more than anything there's something to it. That's like your infant coming up to you saying, "I want to tell you something but I'm scared you're going to get really really mad. Promise not to get mad k?"
Fearless-Design-7259@reddit
He knows that's how it sounds "no really guys they do exist I just can't tell you because they exist so hard it's a threat to tell you"
Anarkya@reddit
That's exactly how I see it tbh.
IWantAStorm@reddit
I feel like the public would just be like "yeah okay fine, can we talk about some important things while you're here?"
DiscombobulatedHat19@reddit
Yeah probably
LastSonofAnshan@reddit
Eh I think the aliens would either 1) be super cool or 2) waste us no matter what we do because they have FTL tech and all the weapons that go with it. Its a “duck and cover and kiss your ass goodbye” type situation.
-echo-chamber-@reddit
Probably only 'real' answer so far. But, as a man with some 'learning' under his belt... I understand just how f'n remote the chance of any contact is.... space is REALLY big.
drugsarebadmkay303@reddit
And with that contact, we gain some kind of unthinkable advanced technology.
SuperimposdEnigmatic@reddit
And having us surrender our guns to help arm our armies. What would be more patriotic? Cue authoritarianism regime
OpalTurtles@reddit
I was just thinking about how the US congress verified the UAP again recently. They’re in the ocean.
Soo…. What are they doing down there..?
Formal_Driver_487@reddit
It’s this, but more complicated. Space Force, NHI/UA*’s (Reddit just warned me not to post that?), essentially disclosure needed to prepare humanity for something. Why are billionaires building bunkers, have self sustaining yachts to survive out in the middle of the ocean. Why do we have an authoritarian populist at the helm? Why are they cutting social security, deporting immigrants, building walls? Almost like long term planning isn’t a priority? Soft disclosure for quite some time via the media?
agent_flounder@reddit
I'm sure you don't seriously believe there is only one explanation for these observations. Other explanations fit but also have better quality evidence to support them. I would consider it unexpected and "interesting" if first contact happened. What "interesting" means depends on if first contact was more like Star Trek or V.
P3nnyw1s420@reddit
Bud we are living in the safest most affordable time ever.
It’s crazy that you think the existential threat is something nebulous like ET and not you know the climate crisis we’ve been ignoring my entire life. Really shows how badly our education system has failed our populace.
SeasonDramatic@reddit
This question is impossible to answer based on the source thought of the question.
nostrademons@reddit
Yeah, by definition if we could predict it here it's not a Black Swan event.
That said, I take the spirit of the question as "What technical and social developments are we not paying attention to that could result in big unexpected events." And offering up a few of those:
onlyIcancallmethat@reddit
I was in that TX deep freeze and it was terrifying. We had too much snow and ice to travel out and four days without electricity or water.
SDVD-SouthCentralPA@reddit
People in Buffalo NY froze to death in their homes when the grid went down a they ran out of furniture to burn.
doolimite1@reddit
Dogs and Cats living together
Livid_Village4044@reddit
Cougar-kitty invades major U.S. cities, terrorizing residents.
Hannah_Louise@reddit
Adding to the list of other possible 'unexpected' events.
-Solar flare/CME causing electrical grid failure
-Unregulated AI attempting to achieve goals in a destructive way (see the paperclip example)
-Mega-thrust earthquake on the pacific coast
-Massive crop failure: disease, climate, insects, other impacts
-H5N1 outbreak with disease's current mortality rate of 54%
-Attack by foreign adversary
No_Space_for_life@reddit
I've been through a few polar vortex myself up here in Canada. Even where people are normally prepared for sub -20°C temps, we regularly have a lot of unprepared people who cause all sorts of issues. When it's -40 or colder the problem seriously compounds. With the majority of the US not really prepared for those temps in contrast to a lot of Canada, i think it would cause huge impacts.
And like you said it's not even that crazy of an impossible concept considering how recent similar events have rocked placed as south as Texas.
TheProfessional9@reddit
Normally yes, but we have the dumbass brigade taking over the government shortly, so that is a very real risk
Time-Green-2103@reddit
The awakened dream reality, if you will
1rubyglass@reddit
Answering the question truthfully would immediately make it a lie
NemoJones@reddit
Drafty_Dragon@reddit
What is the average flying speed of a swallow?
ARG3X@reddit
African or European swallow?⚔️
buchenrad@reddit
So obviously the strategy is to mention every single thing that isnt the black swan thing OP is asking about and then he will know that the only thing left that we haven't mentioned is his answer.
Dissapointingdong@reddit
No. It’s me eating a dozen 7/11 taquitos and creating such a volatile gut biome it starts a nuclear reaction and I dirty bomb our water reclamation systems with my radioactive dumps. I bet no one is going to see that coming.
---Skip_lntro---@reddit (OP)
Fair point
Kemintiri@reddit
NiceBeaver2018@reddit
The Evil Cabal ^T^M could be reading this and reply with their future plans.
So not impossible.
NumptyContrarian@reddit
The chief export of the United States post-WW 2 has been stability. Obviously, that stability has not always been to everyone’s liking but it’s been there for US allies at trade partners at least. Through a combination of foreign trade, a relatively stable currency (US dollar), diplomacy, naval power (particularly important for maintaining global trade channels) the worlds best military/military industrial complex, globalization has made much of the world a better place (environmental concerns, labor conditions, noted). All this balances atop a pin head. Of the 8.2 billion people on this planet, a handful, perhaps a few thousand have decided this balance no longer benefits them. Markets, families, governments, etc., all manage best in predictable environments, even if those environments are suboptimal. Looking for black swan events? Well, the conditions have never been more fertile. What will those events loo like? Can’t say. Is chaos on a flywheel near? Perhaps, never more so. Obviously, I hope I’m wrong.
coastguy111@reddit
Merging human with machine. Trans-humanism. When "they can literally turn you off/kill you. The elites have been discussing this since the 80s and even publish everything online for free!!
coastguy111@reddit
https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/25418/chapter/5
Upbeat-Dish7299@reddit
The intelligence community saw 9/11 happening
3GunGrace@reddit
They did but the agencies failed to communicate amongst each other. 9/11could have been prevented
Upbeat-Dish7299@reddit
36 days before 9/11 the CIA told the president in his daily briefing that bin Laden was determined to strike the US and gave ways they’d do it. Including hijacking planes.
Jazzlike-Ad-2978@reddit
A financial crisis. Soon.
th30be@reddit
People have been talking about the collapse of the USD and depressions since the great depression. People are actively looking at this.
coastguy111@reddit
Fentynl poisoning since 2016, then covid, then the vaccines that are wreaking hvoc on people. The costs on everything way up.
47952@reddit
H5N1 seems to be picking up steam with an otherwise healthy teen in critical condition in Vancouver with a mysterious new strain and (allegedly) an entire Army corp overseas in isolation with a new "mysterious" flu. Add to that the fact that our CDC and NIH are about to be dismantled and nobody will wear masks or get vaccines any more and we have a real recipe for pandemic $#!t possible.
coastguy111@reddit
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/immunology/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2024.1336906/full
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987723000117?via%3Dihub
coastguy111@reddit
Truth about the MRNA vaccines will eventually be realized.
OppositeIdea7456@reddit
Solar Micro nova. Hence why those x class solar storms have been sending aurora to areas they shouldn’t have been the earths magnetic field is weakening big time. From research it’s due as well. Within the next 30 years depending on if the curve gets exponential… and it is. Basically it’s a world ending event. Sun kinda explodes rains down chunks then there’s a pole shift massive earthquakes, volcanoes, tidal waves etc. “suspicious observer” on yt.
Chaos_Gardening@reddit
Dogs being a huge disease vector for bird flu.
DagsAnonymous@reddit
Harry Harrison’s Plague From Space
johnnyringo1985@reddit
So far it’s only meaningfully spread to dogs and (mostly) cats that have eaten infected dead birds, and there’s no evidence of spread between cats and dogs without consuming infected birds
eFurritusUnum@reddit
:(
randynumbergenerator@reddit
Pigs, too.
SixMillionDollarFlan@reddit
Leading to chimpanzees becoming man's best friend ...
tehdamonkey@reddit
Started_WIth_NADA@reddit
Well Ukraine just started launching US missiles into Russia so that’s a starting point.
Fossilhog@reddit
Geologist here. Large volcanic eruptions. And I'm not talking about super volcanoes. Remember how that Icelandic one shut down flights over Europe for a couple of weeks around 2011? The unusual thing about that eruption was that it was so short. That particular volcano has a long history of erupting for 6 months or more.
Remember that Tongan eruption a couple years ago? For it's size it's pretty amazing that it didn't throw up much sulfates causing global cooling.
The world won't be able to handle another eruption like the 1815 one that created a year without a summer, and global famines that came with it.
handybh89@reddit
I feel like if they could handle it in 1815 we can handle it now
pewpewrestored@reddit
there were only like a billion people in 1815. We're slightly over 8 billion now. That's a lot more mouths to feed.
Itsnotthatsimplesam@reddit
The US has 2+ years of wheat supply available to them. Maybe not everywhere but a lot of places have the food
PowerBottomBear92@reddit
Bio weapon that targets peoples immune systems- but only those who took MRNA vaccines - aka not anyone who took Sinovax
PowerBottomBear92@reddit
ooohhh touched a few nerves there of people who've compromised their immune system with experimental injections
JohnWallSt069@reddit
Someone like Russia or China nukes polar ice caps
PowerBottomBear92@reddit
Younger Dryas 2.0
stryst@reddit
Good thing the US is about to slash our budget for watching the sky. I mean, its not like we WANT to see a comet coming or anything...
PowerBottomBear92@reddit
Time for other countries to start paying up
StarlightLifter@reddit
These elites they want you to look up, they want you to be scared
bearinghewood@reddit
Well duh...its the price of olives. Due to a combination of fungal infestation and drier than usual growing season the price of olives skyrocketed, causing a supply chain domino effect leading to global power outages and food shortages within a 3 month period. But really I blame granny here's texmexteranian fusion cuisine in west graboinken Idaho for using overly large olive oil dipping sauce portions on their Friday night date "special" plates
kkinnison@reddit
I will let you know in a year
Big_Ed214@reddit
Biden okay use of US missiles inside Russia. Russia reacts badly…
Housing bubble is 10 to 50 percent larger Than 2008 crash. Banks have 100X more unrealized losses.
Baby boomers retiring, and birth rates dropping lead to less federal income, less revenue and more and more Social Security payouts. We contributed to SS in every paycheck, for 60 years and it’s gone. Poof.
Weather extremes will be the new normal.
A Solar CME or man made EMP will create a ‘Carrington event’ and the Preppers and suspected girders will be vindicated but overrun by those without or local warlords.
A moon walk or mars walk will be a white swan event.
Round-Maybe455@reddit
Off the top of my head? 1.) Cyber attack that disables electricity for a large area (has already been done on a small scale) 2.) permafrost releasing bacteria that we have no defenses for (already seen re-animated microorganisms) 3.) heat waves and hurricanes becoming deadly with little to no warning. (Already seeing this this year) 4.) “zones safe from flooding” getting destroyed by record rain (already happening in Vermont and NC) 5.) infrastructure collapse of dams and bridges. (We have had a very poor rating by army core of engineers report card for a while- it’s NOT good. We’ll need a “new deal” style project to have a fighting chance)
Wellslapmesilly@reddit
Yeah I’m just waiting for all the bridges to start collapsing like that one in Minnesota years ago.
gemidune@reddit
Agreed. Bridges, just like everything, have a limited life span.
GarugasRevenge@reddit
Yea number one sits with me a lot. There's a lot of scenarios where the electrical grid of America just gets ruined after a single event. Once electricity goes, water is next.
tehdamonkey@reddit
The perma-frost one is interesting after seeing the incredibly high temps in Northern Canada this summer.
Itsnotthatsimplesam@reddit
It's very unlikely, diseases and organisms evolve together. If we have no defense against it we may also not be effected by it or it can't effect us
Legitimate-Article50@reddit
The North Carolina flood this past season was not the first of its kind in that area. About 100 years ago the same exact weather pattern occurred and caused the same type of devastation.
ClayJane@reddit
Not to this extent. The flood of 1914 was way less destructive than Helene.
monty845@reddit
Are you in an Alluvial Plain? (The mostly flat area next to a stream/river, and between areas of higher elevation) It means that area has flooded before. May not do it again for another 10,000 years, but its happened before, and will happen again. (absent human intervention)
randynumbergenerator@reddit
The permafrost one is good, though I guess that would fall under pandemic? Not sure any of these qualify as Black Swan events since they're known risks, but then again the OP's question is basically impossible to answer.
Commercial_Yak7468@reddit
2.yep
In addition, this will cause people to migrate causing instability due to climate refugees
If Trump follows the 2025 road map, it calls for getting rid of the National Flood Insurance Program operated by FEMA. You will see increased flooding with no protection. This will wreck a lot of people and cause them to be cli.ate refugees within the US.
Also adding to this, if Trump administration follows the 2025 road map (which is looking likely on this particular issue) they will not invest infrastructure but also plan to repurpose funds from the inflation reduction act meant for infrastructure work, to instead use those funds to help offset their proposed tax cuts. That means at some point we will have infrastructure fails probably in rural areas where infrastructure is already particularly poor.
Single_Asparagus4793@reddit
Didn’t think I would see project 2025 fear mongering BS spewed on the preppers sub. sighs
skibby1234@reddit
Honestly, I'm curious as to why?
I doubt the Project 2025 will be followed line by line. But, at least 2 major contributors will be taking senior administrative positions shortly, and their verbiage openly mirrors what they contributed to the plan.
This is a preparation forum. Do you not prepare, even for unlikely events?
Single_Asparagus4793@reddit
I think it’s silly to worry about it when Trump has said (multiple times) he does not support it. There are checks and balances in place to prevent this “project” from coming to fruition. Now if he turns around and starts issuing executive orders once in office that align with this plan and prove otherwise, I’ll eat my words.
I’m just surprised to see more people are worried about this, something that hasn’t happened, as opposed to the actions taken by the CURRENT administration that will bring us closer to a SHTF scenario. You know, with Ukraine just firing those U.S. long range missiles to strike Russia after Biden giving the green light and all? Now Putin is lowering the bar for nuclear attacks. Cool. I also recall an interview with Putin back in September basically threatening that if Ukraine uses those missiles to strike Russia, the “United States is at war with Russia.”
Just my opinion and appreciate the discourse!
skibby1234@reddit
Not disagreeing. But back on topic.
But the guy, arguably the best, most experienced person at mass deportations in the US (served under 2 administrations), is about to be in charge of ICE. And publically stating what is going to happen on day 1. Ad has Mr Trump.
Straight out of Project 2025.
I agree Russia is a risk. But, I also like to take people at their word and prepare for what is in front of me. While i do not believe all of Project 2025 (or even most of it) will happen, I do find it nice that part of the deep state has given us a view of what they would love to implement.
Brace for a recession.
Single_Asparagus4793@reddit
I genuinely do not understand the thought process here. Can you explain how mass deporting individuals coming into the U.S. illegally will lead to a recession?
skibby1234@reddit
I will use a practical example. My wife and I have been holding off on replacing a 300+ yard wooden fence. I planned to get it done professionally in the middle of next year.
We have decided to fast track it due to incoming administration and what they have publically stated their agenda is. Labor, alone, going to tank. Add tariffs on top of this, and the price could potentially sky rocket.
Assuming we are able to even get it done post January/February. We (USA) still haven't recovered from the loss of the trades due to COVID. Try finding a decent handyman, almost impossible in rural America.
Yeah, is Russia a concern? Absolutely. But I got incoming real-world concerns to deal with.
RealTeaToe@reddit
I would hardly call explaining facts about the GOP's proposed roadmap "fear mongering." Maybe you're just not sure what you're reading, or you think their road map means something that it doesn't, but the person you replied to hit the nail on the head with what they mentioned and what they're "proposing," to do.
It doesn't mean they'll definitely be able to follow their plan to the letter, ofc. But that's what they WANT to do. You just can't believe they would do something so shitty? Or you don't read about the policies that you vote for?
chappelld@reddit
It’s pretty on point for the sub.
preppers-ModTeam@reddit
Your comment has been removed for being "Not focused on prepping/Off-Topic - Political." Try to keep posts and comments on the topic of prepping and not on politics.
United_Pie_5484@reddit
As per #5, history shows us what can happen when those dams and impoundments fail from neglect born out of greed. And what happens when corrupt politicians have the ability to raid funds meant to fix it. Gov Moore is Sen. Shelly Moore Capito’s father, for the record.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Creek_flood
Syonoq@reddit
Wouldn’t Spain count as #4 as well?
Volitious@reddit
Aliens
Kamalethar@reddit
Shoemaggeddon
All current, past and future shoes get raptured. If you are in them; they untie themselves and jump off of you before being raptured.
th30be@reddit
Covid was being reported on months before anyone in the West gave a shit.
While not specifically the attack of 9/11, movement of those groups were being tracked. And several intelligence agencies in Europe and Africa notified American agencies about movement of Bin laden months before.
pericles123@reddit
It wasn't being reported for " months"
th30be@reddit
It was first detected in China in December of 2019 They went into lockdown in January 2020. The US didn't do anything until March.
Sounds like months to me.
pericles123@reddit
I worked for a company that did anti-body testing, so for sure we were hearing about it the last week of December - it's fair to say the Trump admin didn't do shit about it until March, but it was absolutely in the news and being talked about in scientific circles
th30be@reddit
Tell me what exactly is wrong with my statement then.
PrimeNumbersMakeMe@reddit
I’m a big believer that someone is going to hit the U.S. with an EMP.
---Skip_lntro---@reddit (OP)
Have you read "One Second After" by William R. Forstchen? Its a well-studied fictional account of what would happen if we got hit by an EMP. Pretty much the worst thing that could ever happen.
PrimeNumbersMakeMe@reddit
Yep. I’ve read it 2 or 3 times and because of that drove around Black Mountain, NC during my PCS to Cherry Point, NC.
I’ve also read the Pentagon study that predicts 90% of the population of the contiguous U.S. would be dead within a year of a large high-level EMP.
I’m loads of fun at parties.
---Skip_lntro---@reddit (OP)
I had to stop reading it midway thru because I was getting tired of being depressed
MArkansas-254@reddit
Nukes from Russia.
2B_limitless@reddit
Simulation theory turns out to be true and provable. Or the same for religion.
LucasHellaaShreddy@reddit
Can you imagine? Everything would collapse.
AdMiserable6896@reddit
Can you please elaborate on what you mean by the words "world" and "we"?
LucasHellaaShreddy@reddit
Theres a real possibility we get attacked before January 6th. Theres numerous ways numerous enemies could do major damage without ever firing a shot. Theres a good chance Russia nukes the absolute shit out of Ukraine between now and then as well. Especially seeing as how Russia just told Ukraine their next step is to glass the country. Ukraine responded with something along the lines of we have nukes now too or we can get some soon, so that's great. Its being said the percentage of chance apophis hits us in 2029 is way above what the general public knows. So, that's also fucked. List pretty much goes on. Learn to enjoy your day. Learn to love the small things in life.
Nostradomas@reddit
Ocean failure.
Over fishing of the ocean. Tbh mainly by China. But everyone’s contributing to it.
Destroy the ocean. Destroy the planet.
grey-matter6969@reddit
Disclosure of the reality that the USA, China and Russia have retrieved a number of crashed alien technical vehicles and are in a race to reverse engineer them for use as weaponry. Disclosure of the reality that alien bodies came with some of these recovered technical vehicles.
And the reality that there are a number of alien species or AI systems that have been are are still interacting with our species, and that this interaction may be on the increase and may soon become dramatically obvious.
It sounds batshit crazy, and 18 months ago I thought it was all horseshit, but after listening to Major David Grusch, Colonel Karl Nell, and other very senior former American intelligence, military and national security officers I have zero doubt.
PeacePufferPipe@reddit
Can you give us some links to this data. Would love to read up on this specifically. Thanks.
grey-matter6969@reddit
Read the article written by Leslie Kean in The deBrief online magazine from May, 2023 and featuring an interview with former major David Grusch. You will note that two senior military and intelligence officer went on the record to back up Grusch's allegations: Jonathan Grey and Colonel Karl Nell.
Then watch the News nation interview of David Grusch by Ross Coulthart.
Then read the article my Michael Shellenberger in "The Public" from May or June, 2023.
Then watch David Grusch, Commander David Fravor and Commander Ryan Graves give sworn testimony to the Congressional Committee that was assembled in July, 2023. This is blockbuster.
Then listen to the presentation that Colonel Karl Nell gave to the SALT Conference of hedge fund investment managers in New York. It is brief.
Watch the recent (last week) sworn evidence given before the Congressional Military oversight committee by Lue Elizondo (former Pentagon and Space Force), Michael Shellenberger, Retired Admiral Tim Galludent and a NASA administrator by the last name of Gold. Read what Shellenberger submitted into the record. Read the 11 page Pentagon document on "Immaculate Constellation" entered into the record by Congresswoman Nancy Mace and Tim Burchett.
That will get you going down the rabbit hole.
These military and intelligence guys are well respected and credible people who are trying to raise the alarm that our military is totally incapable of dealing with repeated and massive incursions of non human technical objects onto American air force bases and nuclear facilities.
PeacePufferPipe@reddit
This is great. Giant thank you for this response. I'm greasing up and headed down the rabbit hole. See ya on the other side. 👍😎👍
grey-matter6969@reddit
Warning: this shit is pretty intense and crazy. You may not thank me in a week or two.
PeacePufferPipe@reddit
I'm not new to any of this and I've had my own experiences during my life. But I sure do love reading stuff I haven't read and turning on others to it. 😎
MTdevoid@reddit
Escalation of the war in Ukraine?
Landshark319@reddit
WWIII and Nukes!!
PermiePagan@reddit
Immune system and organ damage from covid, leading to vastly more people getting pneumonia and influenza, leading to a lot of deaths. Exactly the same way that out of control Tuberculosis in the 1910s led to pneumonia before WW1, which then ended with an Influenza outbreak that took out ~50-million people.
Except with our ever more connected world, a lot more people are getting repeat covid infections, which is causing damage to mount. Even mild or asymptomatic cases are causing organ damage, immune system dysfunction, brain fog, fatigue, swelling in the hind brain. And there's a lot of evidence linking it to higher rates of diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, cancer, dementia, Parkinson's, hearing loss, etc.
The black swan event is already here. If you let some politician convince you "it's just a cold" and stopped masking, then you got tricked. Biden had a 9-point plan for dealing with the pandemic, but then went out the window when big business decided that mitigations were costing them too much money. So they decided to push a vaccine-only mitigation plan, and hope it wouldn't be that bad. Except that's not what happened.
https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/debilitating-a-generation-expert-warns-that-long-covid-may-eventually-affect-most-americans
Panda_tears@reddit
Our youth using AI chatbots for fucking everything
Jefferson-not-jackso@reddit
Sovereign Debt Collapse
marchcrow@reddit
The Long COVID crisis
Sea-Sprinkles7144@reddit
I think genetically targeted bio weapons. Like one specifically designed to target one set of people and leave everyone else unaffected.
Dredly@reddit
we absolutely saw 9/11 coming in advance. Bush was openly briefed on the attack possibility months in advance - https://www.politico.eu/article/attacks-will-be-spectacular-cia-war-on-terror-bush-bin-laden/
The "planes as weapons" attack was detailed out decades before it happened and we absolutely knew within days who did it but we didn't want to piss off Saudi Arabia. the CIA (or NSA / FBI... one of them) even wrote up a detailed plan on exactly how an attack like this would be carried out - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
we absolutely saw Covid coming and even wrote a damn manual on exactly how to handle it with support of like most of the worlds experts, sadly Trump was in power and he wanted to personally enrich himself more then save people - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/obama-team-left-pandemic-playbook-for-trump-administration-officials-confirm
I think the item we haven't fully planned for yet (props to biden for trying though) are a few fold:
The cartels take Mexico off the board as a trade partner for the US, this would cripple NAFTA and the US economy. A few well placed explosives takes the train lines out of the picture, one or 2 attacks on US border crossings and it gets shut down and then the US economy is fucked
China nukes Taiwan. Everyone is ready for an invasion which would cause huge issues... but detonating a nuke on the island radically changes everything, hitting Hsinchu Science Park (where TSMC is located) would drastically change the world overnight. the entire park is like 5 square miles... the bombs we dropped on Japan basically killed everything in a 2.5sq mile circle, a modern weapon in a vehicle in a parking lot would effectively wipe advanced processing off the face of earth for years
Climate change just continues to wreck everything. when global famine becomes a thing, everything changes
dosmutungkatos@reddit
Probably an “I Am Legend” scenario—except it’s a “sneaker” type of mutation. At first, the inoculation is successful. This is the first generation of folks that adopt it.
By the time the second generation of folks comes about, tumors and other indicators are non-existent along with cancer itself. This generation of folks is the “proof” of that the vaccination works. But there’s a catch—there’s a subtle rise in mental illness cases, beginning at age 5, across all general demographics: it is characterized by initial signs of cotard delusion, but with a comorbidity of severe predatory vorarephilia. The cases are noted, but too small in number to warrant official elevated attention. Nothing changes and routine vaccinations continue until the last person on earth to receive the vaccination is hailed in the same manner as smallpox (the disease) was eradicated.
The third generation of folks is the pivotal generation. This is when the mental basket cases rise dramatically. At this point, the last members of that first generation have passed away. There is a scare world wide, made worse by confounding trend: mammals are now exhibiting the same “mental” problems. The pivotal point, assuming technology-wise computing capabilities have progressed sufficiently, identify the once hailed vaccine as the culprit. First problem—no one knows how to develop a counter vaccine. Second problem—the initial vaccine has already made these subtle mutations in genomes that, in and of itself, each “carrier” of the “problem” (ANY mammal) is part of one huge world wide “consciousness”. In other words, the original vaccine strains have evolved to use whatever means that they can to survive, and each carrier with enough mutations “communicates” independently and without its host realizing what’s going on. Think of cordyceps, but one (not a collective) consciousness.
A breakthrough “cure” is found by the end of the third generation—but there are two significantly bleak problems ahead—it will take four generations to eradicate the problem strain. The consciousness of the initial strain perceives this threat to itself…
…I leave the rest to your imagination.
Fearless-Design-7259@reddit
Almost none of this is possible, go to /r/writingprompts
dosmutungkatos@reddit
Hello? Is this what you do? Dismiss people’s work outright with your bs comment?
dosmutungkatos@reddit
“Almost”? so which part has even a hint of a possibility, under the functional definition of a “black swan” event?
Waitaminute…am I being downvoted because folks actually think I used AI to draft this? Because I don’t use them for any of my sht.
TopAd1369@reddit
I prefer gray swan as the analogy.
HillbillyRebel@reddit
Last I heard, nobody is talking about it.
JellyBand@reddit
I think your examples are interesting, because neither one of those were surprising events. We are animals, we have pandemics occasionally. Hopefully with modern medicine, less often, but shit happens. Same with terrorism. No, individuals couldn’t have predicted exactly what would happen, but a major act of terrorism in the US wasn’t a huge surprise. We are a major target and have made a few enemies. I think a black swan is like Tunguska but over Paris, something with truly astronomical odds of happening.
Careful_Reason_9992@reddit
Sarah Adams is a former CIA targeter who has been investigating/tracking the terrorists that committed the Benghazi attack. She has intel that Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups are planning an October 7th (Israel) type attack on American soil, and supposedly there are already terrorists here that came in as got-aways (or completely undetected) via the southern border. She has been trying to sound the alarm to the alphabet agencies but it doesn’t sound like they’re listening. She has been on the Shawn Ryan show a few times and on The Big Mig podcast (Rumble). I highly recommend you give it a listen and judge for yourself.
LastSonofAnshan@reddit
9/11 was so predictable the X-Files spin off show “The Lone Gunmen” has one of their first episodes centered around a 747 crashing into the WTC.
NutzNBoltz369@reddit
An asteroid. Small enough not to wipe us out. Big enough to not be stopped with current tech.
Reduction in solar activity. Again, not enough to kill us but large enough to be too much to mitigate immediately.
Only speaking as far as Humanity wide goes.
AdditionalAd9794@reddit
De dollarization and the threat of the brics alliance to the west. Alot of people want to bury their head in the same sand it is clear lines are being drawn in. These will be the sides in the next world war
I_love_stapler@reddit
The same BRICS 'group' that just requested patrons attending there conference in Russia bring USD and Euros? lol
Velsca@reddit
The slow decline of civilization from high trust into divided infighting groups.
Inevitable-Major-893@reddit
China imploding due to demographic collapse. We know it is coming, but everyone will be shocked when it actually happens.
Jesus Christ returning. Once again everyone has been waiting for it to happen for 2000 years, but will be shocked when he actually returns.
Damn_You_Scum@reddit
Volcanic eruption that spews toxic gas into the atmosphere, causing global temperatures to drop (volcanic winter), global crop failure, billions of deaths.
StonesFan1@reddit
Rogue black hole
snuffy_bodacious@reddit
I mean... some people tend to think Jesus is coming.
...and I so happen to be one of them.
plantmom363@reddit
The H5N1 Pandemic which seems to be getting closer everyday
peachmusic@reddit
Naked short selling
Brilliant-Truth-3067@reddit
USA slipping into an inescapable oligarchy. H5N1 is looking like the next pandemic. AMOC collapse causing major weather shifts in the Atlantic. The Doomsday glacier breaking off. Wet bulb event in India or SE Asia. Flipping of magnetic poles. Swapping of the reserve currency. AI.
VilleKivinen@reddit
Why would magnetic poles flip anytime soon, and what would be the consequences?
Upstairs_Winter9094@reddit
Continued weakening of the magnetic field is the main indicator that we have, along with the fact that we’re overdue for a shift. Lots of consequences in general, but a flip takes thousands of years to complete, so absolutely nothing worth thinking about from a prepping perspective. It would be impossible to have to deal with the impacts within our lifetime
technicolortiddies@reddit
It’s flipped before, correct? Like wayyyyy back?
rkba260@reddit
Many times. Nearly 200 events in the past 100 million years. They happen approximately every 450,000 years. The last one happened 780,000 years ago... we are well over due.
We can already start to see it happening.
Compare true north to magnetic north. It's why we have declination/variation maps for navigation.
https://www.nwcg.gov/course/ffm/location/65-declination
And
https://www.passagemaker.com/technical/north-pole-drifting-russia
technicolortiddies@reddit
This is fascinating thank you! I remember learning about tectonic plates in school but that’s it. It’ll be really interesting to read what the implications of pole flipping would be aside from navigation!
rkba260@reddit
We die...?
A pole reversal will upset the magnetic field, the one that prevents the surface of the earth from being blasted by solar winds that contain massive levels of radiation. It'll also likely knock out or at least knock offline most of our satellites. Communications will go down. Power lines won't work.
It's bad.
vercertorix@reddit
Satellites and communications may be an issue, but life survived previous ones so we’d probably be fine if we can work around that.
rkba260@reddit
The last event happened 800,000 years ago. Our "civilization" was not ... a thing.
People today don't know how to grow vegetables, let alone harvest game, many people live in locations that without modern HVAC solutions would be inhospitable. People will die.
Will the human race survive in some capacity? Yes. But our way of life will change.
vercertorix@reddit
The general public do not, but there are enough farmers, amateur gardeners, etc. out there that do, and tractors don’t need GPS. A flip in the poles won’t break everything. If we can get over communications and navigation issues enough to keep commerce going it may not be as dire as you think. Despite what some preppers think, people are highly motivated to get things “back to normal”.
Alewdguy@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal#Effects_on_biosphere
rkba260@reddit
Did you read that in its entirety?
All are agreeably hypotheses as we (science as we know it) have never lived through such an event. Even fossil records are inconclusive either way.
It is ironic to read that 'no data supports a complete disappearance of the magnetic field within the past 800,000 years'... yet we haven't had an event in 780,000 years... so realistically, we don't have data, period.
Power lines and communication will be disrupted. And we do not know how much radiation will be experienced or the effect on our food chain. It's a bit pie in the sky to assume life will continue, unaffected.
technicolortiddies@reddit
Oh ok cool cool. Guess I should read up on it before it happens then. Time is ticking!
Provia100F@reddit
It's going to happen sooner than later. The aircraft industry is having to release magnetic variation compensation updates on a significantly more frequent schedule than they used to. The updates used to be every few years, now it's a few per year.
randynumbergenerator@reddit
I don't think people realize magnetic north is constantly moving. There have already been adjustments to take it into account for things like navigation, and we're always finding new methods (look up quantum navigation if you want to have your mind blown).
mountainsformiles@reddit
Yellowstone super-volcano. They keep saying it's gonna happen.
DmitriVanderbilt@reddit
Pathogenic agriculture collapse (and subsequent global war and then global depression/regression) as depicted in Interstellar. The effects of which will be exacerbated by climate instability, or;
Runaway global COOLING as a result of massive amounts of aerosols injected to the stratosphere - likely from a mega eruption but there could be a few other sources, like a nuclear conflict (even a relatively small one). Then the whiplash of termination shock when the cooling effect goes away (since cooling aerosols generally have shorter residence times than GHGs) but the warming effect was still growing beneath, and then kicks in all at once.
I, for one, look forward to teaching the feral children in my area who regard my partner and myself as the "mysterious and wise wizard and his wife, the woods witch" who live in the forest at the edge of the remnants of town.
YachtOrNothing@reddit
Why is U-A-P disclosure pseudoscience in this community? The Senate will be talking about it in 2 minutes
argeru1@reddit
Covid wasn't a black swan event, it was planned and executed
They even held a series of mock pandemic preparatory exercises right before it...which of course didn't help at all
Responsible-Role1794@reddit
Yes, you are right. So, can you see what is planned next? It is everywhere you look, 30 years of subliminal preparation, and COVID was the practice run. However, once you see it, the next question is- do you know why? I will give you a hint, it has absolutely nothing to do with power or money.
apoletta@reddit
No more IS elections. Just trump forever.
ziggy-23@reddit
Warming of our ocean waters causing ice burgs to melt and other unpredictable environmental things. Venice is slowly sinking. Illnesses thawing out that have been frozen for thousands of years will be thawed out and introduced to immune systems that have long since forgotten them. Hurricanes getting stronger and behaving in ways that are much less predictable.
Seeing that last one happening first hand living in Florida in the gulf coast and watching the storms churn up this year, and recent years previous - I got hammered by Debby via flooding, Helene via wind locally and flooding impacting what I do for work and my many coastal friends, and Milton for both wind and flooding at home and work. Milton being the worst as I’m Tampa Bay Area. This season has me TIRED.
BattleReadyZim@reddit
I mean, I certainly couldn't predict all the ramifications of Covid, but I've reflected for a long time that we have impressively few pandemics given the global population density. I'm more surprised we don't have a new covid every 18 months.
MetaPlayer01@reddit
How about we all agree to re-frame the question. What is the existential "minority report" that you think is a bigger potential threat than we are preparing for? I don't know if this is a minority report but we definitely aren't treating it like the threat it is. Digital infrastructure warfare. I'm talking about attacks to the power grid.
Basic_Initiative146@reddit
What if I told you the reason we’re not planning on it is because the same people who ensured that their bidding would be furthered & profits increased if something like September 11th, a Pandemic &/or international conflict also own the media & all of international finance? And have done so since atleast WW1? Here’s my 2¢ Whether it’s an EMP-nuke, Coronal Mass Ejection or just general fragility of our supply chains & food structures, we are not prepared for the slightest bit of famine or scarcity; something that has been going on for all of human recorded history & then some. They formed the Fed to “stabilize” the banking markets they themselves (J.P.Morgan & other Jekyll Island co-conspirators) disrupted & have since exercised market manipulation through central banking to their profit since its inception (yes, this includes the Great Depression). Be ready for the imaginary “dollar” you think you own in a bank to mean nothing. Really. Damn. Quick.
RudeDudeInABadMood@reddit
The presence of Non-human intelligence on Earth when they show up to keep us from ruining their planet
caligo_atreus@reddit
Why worry about something you don't even know about? Live in the now. If you end up dying, you end up dying. GG
Provia100F@reddit
Viral Transmitted Cancers, particularly if they can use animal vectors.
Imagine a type of cancer that is as transmittable as a cold or flu and the impact it would have on a global level.
Glechin@reddit
Like HPV and cervical cancer
Provia100F@reddit
Yes, but worse. Some indications suggest that COVID infection may have been engineered to cause cancer, or put the damage in place to make the likelihood of cancer significantly more likely.
But imagine an HPV that was certain to cause cancer and was spread airborne like a cold. Absolutely disaster for the human race, and probably highly desirable as a sadistic bioweapon.
nukedmylastprofile@reddit
For my part of the world, it's the big earthquake that's certainly coming sometime soon (within 50 years based on regularity in geological record).
The Alpine Fault in New Zealand will go, and when it does it will be big ~8+ magnitude. It will be devastating, most people here have never heard anything about it or have never taken the time to find out any more about it, and will be woefully underprepared.
OkWelcome6293@reddit
For the US, that’s the big problem. No one is really ready for the next Cascadia megathrust earthquake. It will devastate Portland and Seattle and it has a 37% chance in the next 50 years.
octopunkmedia@reddit
Idk, is anyone talking about the sand shortage that's inevitably gonna destroy our ability to make silicon and construction material affordably?
New_Refrigerator_895@reddit
you already mentioned covid and 9-11, so im gonna say harambe and peanut
Best_Pollution6847@reddit
Massive Volcanic Eruption with a massive earthquake at the same time. Besides massive loss of life it also reduces the food supply by almost 25% overnight
Jay4Kay@reddit
A Malthusian collapse.
When infrastructure breaks down leading to a significant drop in food production causing mass starvation in population centres.
If something like oil were suddenly inaccessible, or the rail and highways systems to cities were no longer maintained, access to food and the ability to produce it would plummet.
Its a terrifying theory.
Successful-Try-8506@reddit
This is what scares me after reading Peter Zeihan's latest book.
lanibro@reddit
Kessler syndrome. It is if a satellite collides into another satellite and it causes a cascading effect that basically wipes out the majority of satellites.
Femveratu@reddit
Acceleration of “official” UFO/UAP Disclosure, see e.g., last week’s US congressional hearing
BeastBellyDweller@reddit
$250 oil after israel hits irans production infrastructure
rekabis@reddit
Directly human-caused black swan events, such as nuclear war, is not something I directly obsess about, because said issue can come clear out of left field at any time.
What we can see coming down the pipe is much more reliable and foreseeable. And for me, the biggie is not just lethally hot wet-bulb temperatures in the tropics displacing billions, but specifically the collapse of the AMOC.
The collapse of the AMOC will plunge Europe into a deep-freeze. In many places, like England and the Nordic countries and eastern Europe, quite literally. It will disrupt weather patterns around the planet, in many cases significantly so. And what relies on warmer non-arctic conditions and reliable, predictable rainfall? The vast majority of agriculture.
If the AMOC collapses over a period of a few short years - as in, under a decade - most regions that experience changes in weather patterns will not be able to adapt in time. Agriculture at scale, in particular, depends on per-farm investments in the millions of dollars for equipment that is meant for crops that work in the current climate. This means that industrialized agriculture cannot rapidly shift on it’s own to different crops for a warmer or colder or wetter or dryer climate.
Tentative calculations project a complete collapse in food production of up to 60%, with another 20-30% being “significantly impacted”. It would take many years if not many decades to re-tool farms for different kinds of crops, which represents money that farmers just don’t have, and at a scale that would beggar even the wealthiest nations on the planet. To say nothing of “socialism” being thrown around by conservatives when smaller farms start asking for equal support in re-tooling. No… most farmers are going to go bankrupt, crops will stop being grown due to the sheer inability for farmers to grow them under the new conditions, and people in their billions will die of starvation before things settle out.
Plus, people who are desperate to survive will utterly eviscerate the entire food infrastructure - farms, processing plants, warehouses, transportation, grocery stores - in an attempt to survive another day. They will tear apart all these things to look for food, and will tear it all down to the ground in the attempt.
Honestly, I would be very surprised if humanity still exceeds 2 Billion people by the end of this century.
Acars_TG@reddit
The ocean draining away into the core … not sure if it’s possible but hellava black swan if it does
vandraedha@reddit
Not really a possibility... geology, hydrology, & physics just doesn't work that way. If you want to understand why, research paleo-oceanography and places like Africa's Great Rift Valley, the Red Sea, or the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.
Quittobegin@reddit
That ocean current finally collapsing and causing a domino effect throughout all species.
Wild-Lengthiness2695@reddit
In fairness , whilst the specifics were sketchy, various people in various agencies had the basics that an attack was imminent but there was a failure to believe it could happen.
Anyhow ….. my answer would be a biological terrorist attack. Coming from a far right group against a major city, possibly with distant links to a nation state like Iran / Russia but murky enough that overt retaliation is impossible.
The US wargame Dark Winter is the stuff of nightmares and combined with a pair covid environment …. would likely have even worse outcomes.
GreymanEU@reddit
I will read this is "what is going to fuck humanity properly" - large meteorites - supervulcanos - geomagnetic storms of a magnitude not seen in recorded history.
verge365@reddit
Dragons 🐉
irritable_useful@reddit
By gods... he summons the thu'um!
Umbiefretz@reddit
This.
SweatySockFilter@reddit
Oct 7 style attack on American soil.
MayorOfVenice@reddit
Do you mean like... Sep 11?
PleaseHold50@reddit
We've gotten off very light this year on spree killer and terrorist attacks.
n3wb33Farm3r@reddit
Stating a wish to break the power of big banks and the Federal reserve a president orders the US Goverment to only use Crypto currency for all transaction.
idiotslob@reddit
The Lions winning the superbowl
irritable_useful@reddit
Lol
Mipo64@reddit
Pole Shift....it's coming.
Apprehensive_Ad5634@reddit
The everyday personal tragedies; losing your job, becoming sick or disabled, a partner dying, etc. Preppers on this sub are all about WWIII and the zombie apocalypse, but what about the normal life stuff? Are you financially stable with healthy short-term savings and long-term investments? Do you have your estate planning documentation in order, including life and disability insurance? Are you living a healthy lifestyle and caring for your physical and mental health? It's not nearly as glorious, but those are the preps that are far more likely to be used than all your guns and freeze-dried camping meals.
zorionek0@reddit
“prepare every needful thing”
WillMoonKnives@reddit
Lack of replacement birth rate... it's not sudden, but it's a serious issue. In the USA we're only keeping the birth rate up with immigration and births to non-natives. I'm a millennial, so over the course of my lifetime we're going to witness the mass demographic collapse of cultures like South Korea, Italy, Taiwan, parts of China, Ukraine, Spain, Poland, etc. This is a slow process wherein these cultures, bc of low birth rates, will simply cease to exist. The land will get gobbled up by new owners as the old cultures die out.
Think about the implications of this: some of the worlds premier technology centers have aging populations that aren't replacing themselves. If they were wild animals, we'd call them "threatened" or "endangered".
Mass demographic replacement has also caused a lot of social unrest in places like the UK and Central Europe.
OlderNerd@reddit
Not one thing, but several happening close together. Earthquake in California. Hurricane hits NYC and floods the financial district. Hurricane hit New Orleans or Houston. FEMA and National Guard stretched thin. Local militias start to take over. Could be the beginning of a new civil war.
ResidentInner8293@reddit
Many are predicting another pandemic. The new one will be much deadlier. I'm not sure how we can prepare outside of living underground.
OlderNerd@reddit
Not one thing, but several happening close together. Earthquake in California. Hurricane hits NYC and floods the financial district. Hurricane hit New Orleans or Houston. FEMA and National Guard stretched thin. Local militias start to take over. Could be the beginning of a new civil war.
ResidentInner8293@reddit
Extraterrestrial lifeforms invading/fake rapture. Not sure if that's the black swan event but my suggestion has been a long time coming.
The media is soft launching this as government admitting there is Extraterrestrial life on earth. From there it's going to only increase as time goes on. Probably exponentially and will be rapid.
We can get into what they are if someone would like to dm/pm me. Just know they are not Extraterrestrial and they do not have good intentions. All I can say is that they are much smarter than us and whatever bs they are pedaling is likely to benefit them and not us. You don't need to be hawkings to realize this.
The biggest proof is in the fact that they've been here so long and have allowed so much pain and suffering to happen. No moral or benevolent life form would allow that if they truly had everyone's best interest in mind.
Imo, only someone selfish and evil would allow a civilization to fight amongst themselves and be miserable for millennium while they watch. Maybe we are their version of reality TV? Regardless of what they're excuses are they are incredibly barbaric for allowing all this carnage on their watch and evil to the core, manipulative as well.
Additional-Stay-4355@reddit
I'm thinking a terrorist attack from within is a possibility. There could be all kinds of nefarious actors sneaking in through the border with Mexico.
If I was an enemy of the US, I would be working with the cartels, and pre-staging operatives within the US for some terroristy shenanigans.
thee_body_problem@reddit
It's already happened.
The first ripples are visible in the rise in disability statistics leading to a labour shortage post-covid restrictions.
Pair that with the repeated wilful infecting since 2021 of every parent, fetus and child due to zero mitigations left standing in schools, healthcare, workplaces etc, and it shows none of these kids are getting to adulthood without significant accumulated impairment. The covid generation is already fucked.
And given how current global politicking so exactly matches the history of the world's societal surrender to fascism due to the cultivation of eugenocidal ideology after the Spanish flu, this first covid generation will grow up to face a world that is designed to eradicate through expanded euthanasia and life-negating poverty everyone who fails to "be more than a useless eater". Capitalism cannot function under disabled conditions. Therefore disabled people cannot be tolerated under capitalism. This eugenocidal fixation will only get louder and more vicious as the economic death spiral continues to ripple out. Just one more burst of "austerity" needed to get the books in order, such tragic, many woe, but just this one last tough vote and it'll all be over by Christmas, folks...
But there will be no more healthy kids growing up to replace that first covid generation's "failed crop". The birth rate means fuckshit to the economy anymore. SARS-2 fucks up the immune system's response to damn near every other problem, just as antivaxxers successfully reintroduce every childhood disease at once. Good luck and back to school, babes! May the breath odds be ever in your favour! Whoops did you catch the future-stealing present-ruining pathogen again? Better luck next time! And this problem will far surpass the poverty gap since not even the bunker rich are bothering to do what it takes to truly protect their longterm meat investments/ kids from the perils of the brunch plague, which is how you know their silly apocalypse survivor fantasies would last about 20 mins when faced with genuine dire circumstances.
Meanwhile the healthcare system usually tasked with preventing too much economic productivity loss across the general population is crumbling already due to its perpetual infection of its own staff, leading to overwhelming workplace attrition. Med students and other cheap labour can rush in and take up those physical empty spaces but the loss of decades of accumulated medical expertise and intuition is and will be catastrophic. Like the burning of the library at Alexandria, but happening in every town and city all over the world.
And happening in every industry at once.
Just as climate collapse accelerates the difficulty of literally everything everywhere.
The kids are not alright.
pericles123@reddit
I'll have some of what you have, good lord that's a bunch of nonsense
Charlie2and4@reddit
US military being used against citizens for whatever reason. Protests, or during raids to detain people. Think Kent state but with air support and missiles. The US has become to most lethal force on the planet, so once that genie is uncorked the targets will be cooked. Trump's military leadership purge won't be against "woke and DEI" but rather against military leadership who supports the POTUS over the COTUS, that is probably about half of service members so we will have skirmishes within the ranks.
Psychological_Ad9165@reddit
China is our enemy , they have over 30 K military aged men come across the border in the last year , they will use our country for their breadbasket after buying all our farmland
pericles123@reddit
Nonsense
RIPMHVG@reddit
Biden giving Ukraine permission to launch U.S. long range missiles into Russia.
pericles123@reddit
Someone read their Maga talking points and is just regurgitating nonsense
Strenue@reddit
Relax. They go 200km ie 120 miles
LimpSmell6316@reddit
I’m voting on another pandemic.
symplton@reddit
Every week somewhere around the globe there's a new Day After Tomorrow type climate event.
Those will increase in frequency and intensity until further notice, jeopardizing our future unless we collectively act now.
symplton@reddit
Here's the tale of the tape just for October. https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2024/11/world-on-track-for-hottest-year-ever-as-carbon-pollution-hits-record-levels/
harmonysun@reddit
.. what we need to collectively act against are those that are using purposefully geoengineering extreme events to scare us all into their narrative of climate change..
PleaseHold50@reddit
No there isn't.
symplton@reddit
Head in the sand - we tried that before. Enjoy your higher insurance payments and have a nice day.
okcanuck@reddit
Better start writing letters to the military and bill gates then
ML1948@reddit
If we could reliably predict it, it isn't a black swan. It has to be unpredictable, something you can only rationalize after it has happened.
If I had to name a single potential underestimated one, a flu epidemic at the scale of 1918 or worse is totally possible and arguably overdue. The slow boil as more and more people can't afford food is the most direct path into chaos though. These are both less of a surprise than a 9/11 though.
strawberrysoup99@reddit
H5N1 is something that is becoming a growing concern. It has a very high fatality rate, and once if it becomes airborne we are in for a seriously bad epidemic.
-echo-chamber-@reddit
The entire world is becoming obese... so "can't afford food" is a bit of a non starter.
ML1948@reddit
The social contract is already breaking down.
I'm not saying people will starve outright immediately, I mean sustainably affording quality food. As life gets worse for the average person and debt rises, there is a cutoff where the debt isn't enough and the suffering of modern life outweighs the benefits. That is when the discomfort and uncertainty of a major shift are lower the discomfort of complacency.
ionized_fallout@reddit
US stock derivatives market crash.
KookItUpp@reddit
The next one is gonna be telecommunications going out big time
Far-Ad-6784@reddit
This worries me a lot. It's not even electricity per se, but communication.
halpscar@reddit
New FCC head will make sure only the best people can communicate.
worldestroyer@reddit
Low-scale nuclear war (Russia hits Ukraine, who responds and why?), full-on avian flu pandemic, Iran manages to nuke Israel or vice versa, China -> Taiwan, sudden Climate catastrophe ending life in many parts of the world due to sudden sea level rise, pole reversal, solar flare, the apophis asteroid which has a "2.7% chance of hitting Earth in 2029", nearby supernova event, the usual tsunami/earthquake/volcano situation leading to climate shit, sudden collapse of critical ocean or land-based ecosystems, a strain of blight that causes global famine, bank run and federal dysfunction leading to sudden collapse of US government, new fascist global world order facilitated by technologically advanced space-based defensive and offensive weapons platforms, 'dumb' runaway agnetic AGI being initially setup by nefarious actors that are hacking public systems and causing complete chaos leading to global catastrophe.
Some of these are stupid, but I was trying to word vomit what's bouncing around my head.
Also, idk, at this point I'd start looking back at classic fiction, it seems that reality really is stranger than fiction, we're practically living through Captain America: The Winter Soldier but without the superheros.
sputnikdreamwave@reddit
Supervolcano would be a pretty big deal. Humans are still pretty bad at predicting anything big geologic events with much accuracy.
DwarvenRedshirt@reddit
If we knew, we'd be talking about it.
However, COVID we had talked about before (pandemic like Spanish Flu). September 11'th we kind of knew about (It wasn't the first time that terrorists attacked the twin towers).
Barbarian_818@reddit
I second what u/SeasonDramatic said. By definition, a black swan event is one that no one sees coming. That would include us Redditors.
That said, here is a list of things I suspect might occur any day now:
1) methane clathrate deposits, both shallow sea bed and tundra/taiga deposits. We're already seeing blows in the arctic as millennia old methane deposits are being released by melting permafrost. We do not have good numbers for how much methane there is stored in such deposits and no good way of predicting at what point they might all go. Methane a very potent (but short lived) greenhouse gas. We're already off the curve of even some of the most pessimistic predictions. This could double down on that.
2) A major factor in the environment of ocean states and countries is the AMOC, the Atlantic conveyor belt current. That current has been slowing in response to changing surface water temperatures. There is a risk that could could stop or even reverse. The last time it ran the other way was a major factor in the Little Ice Age which caused a big increase in glaciation and the Great Famine of 1315. We likely would not see increased glaciation today because things are too warm. but massive crop failures through Europe might still be possible.
3) That thawing permafrost is also letting thousand year old microbial life to re-emerge. The fast majority is not going to be a threat to us humans directly. But it is still possible for an infectious threat to emerge that targets our livestock industry. From there, zoonosis may occur, passing mutated versions of those old pathogens into the human farmers.
4) climate change is undoubtedly going to change rainfall patterns, it's already doing so. This year cacao crop is smaller due to lack of water. (illegal mines are poisoning the available water) We can expect that to get worse as surface lakes and rivers become exploited more and more heavily and aquifers get drained trying to keep up with the demands of agriculture. We could see another Oklahoma Dust Bowl and numerous wars in Africa and the Mid East over water supplies. If Israel gets into it against Iran, Iraq or Jordan, given the policies of Netanyahu, Israel might use the nuclear option.
5) The political climate in the US could get a lot uglier. The Trump administration has promised to do things that trample a lot of peoples civil and human rights. Project 2025 contains a lot of ugly plans. There are going to be protests. Trump has always favored the use of force to get what he wants. During his first administration, one of the checks to his power and intentions was military officers upholding their oath to the Constitution. So now there is a plan to stand up a "warrior board" that will weigh in on the acceptability of senior military officers. You can expect that Trump will replace the Joint Chiefs with officers willing to be loyal to him. If that happens, you can expect to see US troops being deployed to quell dissent. In authoritarian regimes, this always results in a "brutality ratchet". The more people protest and take action against the authoritarian leader, the more excuses the leadership comes up with to curtail civil rights and due process.
Grimm_LLL@reddit
My thought is the AMOC as most likely. based on past events and current conditions.
stryst@reddit
A follow up to number 3; a disease wouldn't have to affect us to hurt us. If an ancient virus came out and say... caused diatom populations to crash in the oceans. Or caused ring-death in crustaceans in costal waters, this would cause oxygen crashes in the shallow water.
warrior_poet95834@reddit
It just happened.
xoexohexox@reddit
Solar flare. A second Carrington Event is 12% likely in the next 100 years, we would have to do a lot of EM hardening of our infrastructure to weather it.
---Skip_lntro---@reddit (OP)
Yeah I worry about this as well. Whenever the NOAA reports an inbound solar flare, I always hold my breath until I see its less than an X-class.
PrimeVector27@reddit
CME
manaha81@reddit
Water! We plan for pretty much every catastrophe imaginable but we always overlook how easily our water supply can be disrupted and how dependent we are on clean water
Ok-Way8392@reddit
A meteor hitting the earth.
phryan@reddit
Large scale power outage like the Northeast outage of 2003, or TX. Worst case scenario if this happens in the winter and lack of heat makes it worse.
Port attack/accident, Baltimore was an accident and shutdown a smaller port. A major incident in LA, NY/NJ, Houston, etc could cause major supply chain disruptions.
Larger scale version of cloud strike outage that is even more widespread and takes longer to resolve.
Local/Regional specific issues...nuclear like 3 mile island, oil wells like deep horizons, plenty of large scale industrial facilities around and people living near them, or down wind, or down stream.
MisterMarkos@reddit
A UFO from outer space lands safely in a big city and some badass MoFo walks out and blasts the sh*t out of everyone in sight. They then climb back in a take-off to who knows where.
Warm-Reflection-799@reddit
This is the Unknown Unknowns of the Rumsfeld matrix. They were expecting something spectacular re 9/11, a group called Alec Station was set up to thwart it, but failed. The US has just recently set up Alec Station 2.0 (don’t know what it’s really called), so they are anticipating something. Not necessarily in the continental United States.
RareGur3157@reddit
How about a congressional hearing on November 13th stating that UAP/UFOs are real and that the US is reverse engineering them? House hearing on UAP November 13
Maj0r-DeCoverley@reddit
The world saw COVID coming. I remember conferences on SARS in the 2010's where everyone agreed there would be a second round soon. We got it, SARS-COV-2.
September 11 2001 was just the paroxysm of a 10 years trend of increasingly violent plane-jacking, in fact a number of analysts and fiction writers predicted something like that would arrive sooner or later. They were right.
I could go on and on. In the early 70's a French statistician accurately predicted the fall of the Soviet union, only got wrong by one year. The guy simply looked at the USSR's demographics, and spotted something weird regarding infant mortality. His prediction this little indicator would snowball into something huge was totally right.
So my guess is, search for weird statistics. For instance, did you know Europe has been in material degrowth since 2008? The volume transported by trucks, volume of new housing... Has been constantly decreasing. Not the value mind you: the volume. Which should indicate to anyone with a brain that 1) the entire world economy relies on oil and gas, and there's no way around them (otherwise Europe would have found some workaround) 2) GDP has become an absolutely meaningless and artificial value, just like GNP did a long time ago 3) the people will continue getting angrier unless we magically master nuclear fusion
harmonysun@reddit
..actually our g ovt the B ushes did 9 11...and their accomplices are not who they said, but others...
randynumbergenerator@reddit
"Material degrowth" without GDP impact isn't a sign of some collapse, it's a sign of efficiency. The very idea of economic development is to produce more valuable goods with fewer inputs. Europe produces more high-value machinery, research, and other valuable shit (e.g. pharma and IP) on a per-capita basis than any other region. That isn't to say they don't have problems, but what you're pointing to is the opposite of that.
Frequent-Cattle-8765@reddit
How do you learn to search for weird statistics?
650REDHAIR@reddit
Consume a shitload of research papers and get lucky.
ppb64@reddit
Where do you find your research papers?
lagavulinski@reddit
Get lucky and/or have great pattern-finding skills. Combining expertise with pattern-finding is critical.
And for every thousand people who spot a pattern, only a couple will be bang on.
HeeHawJew@reddit
Have a deep understanding of statistics. This isn’t like a easy skill you can learn on YouTube in a few hours. It’s something that requires a lot of knowledge on applied mathematics and relationship to the real world.
Temptazn@reddit
Too young to remember the "Golden Era" of Hijackings in the early 70s?
There was the very high-profile Lockerbie disaster where hijackers blew the plane up.
It's a lot longer than 10 years...
OperationMobocracy@reddit
The Golden Era was often fairly peaceful as hijackings go. Pay the ransom, fly the plane to some third world country in tune with whatever revolutionary zeal the hijackers had, and then the plane flew home.
They became so common but the airlines resisted imposing the kind of security we had even before 9/11. They thought it was cheaper to just pay the ransom and get the plane back. They figured security could kill their business.
There’s a great book about this, “The Skies Belong to Us”.
Temptazn@reddit
Interesting stuff. Thanks for the read recommendation.
I remember the situation mainly through memories of Giles, a newspaper satirist/cartoonist in the 60s/70s in the UK. (Same for the oil crisis and drought).
OperationMobocracy@reddit
The part about airline security was really crazy to read.
Up until the very early 1970s, there basically wasn't any. You just walked to the gate and showed your ticket to an agent and got on the plane. You could be carrying anything, including concealed weapons or explosives. Hell, there were even some shuttle-type flights (eg, NYC to DC) where you just got on the plane and you paid your fare in flight (I mean it was probably only $50, too), like buying a train ticket from the conductor.
I think there was one hijacking that got a little intense during the peak and the government wanted to impose some level of screening and the airlines actively lobbied against it for fear it would impose too much annoyance on passengers.
I still remember how much milder security was before 9/11. Anyone could go to the gate areas. Hell, in the late 1970s we used to ride our bikes to the airport (there was a weird route that would get you to the main terminal) and wander the gate areas with several dollars in loose change to buy stuff from all the crazy vending machines that you didn't see very often, like fountain soda. There were no shops or restaurants in the airport, just vending machines and maybe a news stand.
CthulusAnalFissure@reddit
Explain that first point more, what about material degrowth means being entirely reliant on oil and gas? Is it too expensive to physically move material in Europe or is the money going to afford more oil and gas?
CryptographerOk7503@reddit
i think they’re talking about “peak oil”.
imasitegazer@reddit
BOE - Blue Ocean Event or AMOC Collapse
“The collapse of the Atlantic Meridonial Overturning Circulation (AMOC) - the ocean mechanism responsible for moving heat around the planet - could lead to ‘devastating and irreversible impacts’ for countries around the world.”
https://oceanographicmagazine.com/news/amoc-atlantic-tipping-point-keeping-climate-stable-greatly-underestimated/#
Reddit_BroZar@reddit
Pandemics and climate change related disasters. Supply chain disruptions due to wars and poor geopolitics - that's kinda obvious, so that's not it.
twarr1@reddit
It doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is that there will be one. The number of possible events is infinite, therefore mathematically unbounded. Asymptotically stable ≠ stable
ncxaesthetic@reddit
H5N1, if it mutates further
gc1@reddit
I think people underestimate the degree to which the US could become an authoritarian regime and how dire the consequences of this would be for the average american.
I'm not saying this is a high probability, just that it is a real possibility, and the consequences of it would be dire. There are many ways this scenario could unfold, but it probably doesn't look a thing like a military coup and tanks rolling down the street and rounding up all resistance. It probably starts with things like constitutional guardrails being slowly degraded, a compliant supreme court, leapfrogging the senate's advise and consent role on agency appointments, rounding up of "enemies" (starting with things that might tend to be populist, like 'illegal immigrants', but then evolving into rounding up people who are accused of being illegal but aren't, and their not getting a proper legal defense, and then evolving into people who are trying to advocate for immigrants being accused of abetting terrorists and rounded up themselves....)
The other potential event is related to this, which is that Russia or China could step up their aggression in the world in ways that are much more significant than their current bad behavior along the borders of Ukraine, the island of Taiwan, etc. They could become military aggressors at a levels comparable to those of WWI/WWII, putting the US in a position to either engage in a world-scale war or stand down in insolationism while parts of the world that are currently free get steamrolled.
The reason these events are related is because the folks that are about to be the oligarchs running this country may have a vested interest in not stopping the aggression.
The point here is that democracy around the globe, as backed largely by US military force and loosely policed by collaboration with other NATO and UN participants, is a relatively recent invention and is not that permanently stable that it can't be flipped over in a way that would be very very hard to reverse.
Nemo_Shadows@reddit
Well, THAT is not exactly true or correct, funny what Censorships and Misinformation can accomplish, not to mention redefining words and rewriting history to suit a narrative of what seems to be nothing more than a group of international criminals with hidden agenda's that are not so hidden anymore.
Just an Observation.
N. S
Available-Page-2738@reddit
I suggest the following concept as an example of the more general case.
Say you get laid off. You're, say, 45. You're realistic. You'll almost certainly not find another job. You do the math. Unemployment will run for n number of weeks and it's barely enough to keep you ticking over: rent, groceries, no entertainment budget except the cable because it's also how you get the internet. Your 401(k)? Investments? You laugh hysterically. You've never been paid enough to put anything into that. You have, maybe, $10,000 from that.
So what do you do? You wait. A year later or whenever, you've used up everything. So you declare bankruptcy. And you go on welfare/public assistance/all of it. Not because you want to but because, hey, look, you tried. You genuinely did. Trader Joe's wouldn't hire you. The bookstore wouldn't. The coffee shop. The eyeglass store. Your resumes got no responses. You genuinely gave it your best effort.
That's the movement that's coming, I suspect. Waves and waves of people in their late 30s/early 40s/and older who simply, finally, at long last, accept what the masters keep saying: you have no value, you're worthless. "Fine," they say. "You win. I'm done. I hope you're ready to support me for the rest of my life because you took away my ability to do it for myself."
What percentage of the population composed of involuntary dead weight can the system carry? And not young unemployed people who are more mobile and flexible (physically, occupationally, and housing-wise), but older people who can't climb flights of stairs every day or walk a mile to the subway or sleep on a couch -- people with books and cooking gear and such?
I really think that's what's coming. Hoovervilles filled with older people who've been told over and over that they have to pay their dues but the good times are coming. Only to have the boomers steal it from them over and over and over.
We all tend to forget that the system we call civilization runs because very few people deliberately attempt to destroy it. But, today, as you're out doing your various things, imagine how many, many, many ways you could ruin things for everyone -- anyone at all -- simply by intentionally, wilfully being destructive or obstructive. Now multiply that by a couple thousand or a few tens of thousands. Or even a hundred thousand or so very angry people who have finally figured out, if I set it all ablaze (even metaphorically), at least I'll be warm.
barchael@reddit
Suicide becoming a trending choice en mass.
2020blowsdik@reddit
That new bird flu variant in Canada...
funnysasquatch@reddit
I think what you mean is 'what's a doomsday event we haven't thought about?
Terrorists use consumer-grade drones to launch a mass casualty event at a sporting event. It will be made worse by the fact that each drone is broadcasting itself chasing down victims.
We're already seeing this in the Ukraine conflict.
I would also assume that multiple Chinese merchant marine ships sitting off the coast of the US are armed with military grade version of these drones.
Finkufreakee@reddit
Total collapse of the dollar
cryofthewild2024@reddit
The clearest indicator that is about to happen, silver and gold go into hiding.
IWantAStorm@reddit
That will happen either way. This is picking what they'll blame it on.
MouseManManny@reddit
kessler syndrome
SixMillionDollarFlan@reddit
Dirty bomb making a huge US urban area permanently unlivable.
StrangeAir3638@reddit
The world did see covid coming. Scientists had talked about it for centuries. Similar events did occur throughout history. Spanish flu, plague, Etc
Street_Moose1412@reddit
Can a thing really be a black swan if the director of Ocean's Eleven makes a movie about it starring Matt Damon and Laurence Fishburne?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contagion_(2011_film)
StrangeAir3638@reddit
Haha. Yeah. Movies have been made about every potential disaster possible. Hence subs like this one being quite well attended.
JacobMT05@reddit
CDC chemical weapons leak.
fanclubmoss@reddit
NHI is actually a networked rogue AI and has been sentient and hiding in the internet of things for over a decade. It has near infinite amount of diversified financial resources and has established a physical presence on the earth - maybe the oceans or subterranean.
NHI is left over guardian AI from some nonhuman proto-civilization like that one Star Trek episode or the forerunner technology in HALO so maybe not unpredictable therefore doesn’t qualify but fun.
Dinosaurs had a space program we just keep digging up their version of Neanderthals. They return to earth and want to farm us.
Heck_Spawn@reddit
Been watching this guy's daily solar weather reports a few years now. He is thinking the coming flipping of the galactic magnetic field (happens every 8k years or so) will cause a solar micronova. We're also going thru the flipping of the Earth's magnetic field at the moment, so we're doubly screwed. 2035ish or so. I probably won't live to see it...
https://youtu.be/2epO45sOdoc
txdesigner-musician@reddit
What do you mean about the Earths magnetic field flipping? Is that why everything and everyone is so off right now?
Heck_Spawn@reddit
The magnetic poles flip every few thousand years. It's happening now.
https://www.google.com/search?q=earths+magnetic+pole+flip&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
txdesigner-musician@reddit
That is so crazy! How long does it take?
Heck_Spawn@reddit
According to Ben, it's been going on since around the Carrington Event.
Concrete__Blonde@reddit
Predicting the occurrence of a reversal based on the current state of the magnetic field is extremely difficult. Reversals are not instantaneous—they take place over a period of hundreds to thousands of years. We wouldn’t know that a reversal is happening until it was half over.
Boisemeateater@reddit
No that’s just mercury in retrograde
txdesigner-musician@reddit
Is it? For real? For how long?
Boisemeateater@reddit
Idk man
Tam1@reddit
I don't think the Galactic magnetic field flipping is a thing. Particularly not on anything like that time scale - 8k years in nothing in galactic terms.
The Galactic magnetic field exists in, affects, and is affected by, the interstellar medium (ISM) -- all the gas, dust, and (especially for magnetic fields) plasma that exists between stars. We generally talk about Galactic magnetic fields as being a combination of two components: large-scale (being coherent on sizes greater than roughly 100 parsecs or 300 lightyears), which is driven by the large scale motions of the ISM (mostly orbiting the Galactic center, but with some extra complications), and smaller-scale, which is mostly driven by turbulent motion and mixing of the ISM.
The large-scale Galactic magnetic field is more or less coherent on the scales of the size of the Galaxy, with some smaller (few thousand lightyear-scale) deviations.
Snoo23533@reddit
Crypto crash through the floor for whatever reason will affect our financial system because of all the new etfs and leverage tied up in it
RoughRomanMeme@reddit
Russia uses a nuke on Ukraine. Or Israel uses one on Iran.
Working-Message-4215@reddit
Superintelligent AI. Nearly every expert in the field is warning us of the consequences, and most expect the singularity to occur within 3-5 years.
danielbearh@reddit
I think this is a great one for this community.
I work with AI. I’m aware. It’s not a black swan event for me… AI is moving scary quick for me, and I’m watching it unfold. But for the prepper crowd? The fact that this very real threat isn’t number one is telling. It will be true ontological shock when it rolls out, as a majority of folks won’t expect it till they’re experiencing direct consequences.
Tesla’s optimus robots are slated to cost $14,000 (if my memory serves—between 14,000 and 20,000.) These robots can work manual jobs 18 hours a day with 6 hours of charging placed incrementally throughout the day. These robots don’t have human level intelligence yet. But they will in 3-5 years.
Imagine the communities that will be affected in this new wave of industrialization. All of the amazon workers. The remaining factory jobs.
Not everyone will lose their jobs. But if covid sent the economy into a talespin, imagine what 15-20% unemployment will do with no promise of it changing again.
This should be taken seriously.
A_Dragon@reddit
Alien invasion.
(Wow, Jesus, just writing the word “alien” gets a huge warning message from this sub…)
DeFiClark@reddit
Covid’s not a great example of a black swan. The world did see Covid coming.
Global pandemic preparations had been in place well before H5N1 and MERS. The failures were in predicting how quickly it would spread v how diligent countries were in their response: the rapid control of MERS/SARS led to complacency.
Failure of tiny critical links in a supply chain are one big black swan.
Look at the fact that one hurricane leaves the US with major shortages of IV fluid, where the chip shortage disrupted the auto industry in ways that are still being worked through.
A grid surge or cyberattack could leave the US without transformers for months. There’s literally no spare supply at any scale.
I don’t know what other critical tiny fragile links there are but watch this one for nasty surprises.
Excellent-Tap-539@reddit
True natural food scarcity
Def_not_EOD@reddit
Stubbing my pinky toe on the blanket chest at 3am. Earth ending.
One_Toe1452@reddit
Toe stubs are the wasabi of pain.
wgreenleaf23@reddit
Space rocks or solar flares.
IronColumn@reddit
it's so funny to me that people think that covid or september 11th weren't predicted. between the two of them, islamic terrorism and pandemics accounted for like half of 90s thrillers, let alone the actual work done to mitigate both
Grindelbart@reddit
Civil War in The US. Give it three years.
Aqualung812@reddit
Organized in what way? Red states have blue cities, and blue states have red countrysides.
Any war between states would have a huge insurrection inside the states.
cuttydiamond@reddit
Civil wars aren't usually defined by geographical designations. They are defined by incompatible ideologies.
Aqualung812@reddit
Ok, how do you organize those incompatible ideologies into an actual physical war?
There is a big difference between civil unrest / terrorism / etc and a "war", with actual armies fighting each other.
cuttydiamond@reddit
I think you are looking at war in the more classical sense of two armies meeting on a battle field and duking it out. That type of war doesn't really exist anymore. An ideological war in the US would be fought on every street in every city and town and it will go on for years. Hell in all likelihood it's already started.
Aqualung812@reddit
"That type of war doesn't really exist anymore"
What do you call the Russian invasion of Ukraine?
th30be@reddit
You said it yourself. Its an invasion.
Aqualung812@reddit
Point being, it's a "traditional" war that the other commenter said doesn't really exist anymore.
lacunadelaluna@reddit
The American Civil War already was not 100% Confederate states/populations vs. 100% Union. There was still a civil war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Unionist
Aqualung812@reddit
Not saying the American Civil War was 100% either way, but the scale is just tremendously different.
Let alone that the moment there is an actual civil war, the following will happen in states that are opposed to the others:
-Electricity will be cut off
-Oil, gasoline, natural gas pipelines will be cut off
-Internet & cellular access will be cut off
-Shipments from ports will be cut off
Those are things that would happen in mere hours. Then, over time:
-Rivers will be dammed
-Trade to states will be renegotiated with other countries
-New alliances would be formed with other countries
-Insurrectionists within states will attack all infrastructure
I can't fathom how anyone would go into that.
Academic_1989@reddit
Water supply issues. Cyberinfrastructure attacks on water supply systems and water treatment facilities, contamination of natural sources due to weather and flooding events, and extreme drought.
Dust bowl - we are already seeing this in parts of West Texas and the Texas Panhandle.
Tree death due to climate stress, wildfires, fungal diseases, and overall ecosystem destruction
EveBeez3738@reddit
I mean there's plenty of preppers that had prepped for years and years for a global pandemic and a terrorist attack 🤷🏻♀️ maybe you hadn't thought of it but I can assure you active preppers had. I think in the prepper circle most scenerios have been discussed
FallJacket@reddit
Viruses don't care that we just had a pandemic, and the H5N1 virus has now infected a human. The lowest estimate of its mortality is 10% compared to covid's 1% mortality.
SimulatedFriend@reddit
Collapse of the AMOC - it looks like it will happen soon (within 20 years) and will change the world drastically.
kupo_moogle@reddit
Random guess: terrorist agents taking existing pandemic strains, modifying them to increase severity, then releasing them to the public in small populations so that it looks like really bad luck.
OnTheEdgeOfFreedom@reddit
I'm sorry. That is Secret Knowledge and you clearly are not In The Know.
Honestly, these folk who think that Divine Light and World Domination(tm) just hands this stuff out like candy. If we told you it wouldn't be a Secret, now would it.
idiotslob@reddit
The Great Lakes becoming undrinkable
BigSlick84@reddit
Bioweapon
meshreplacer@reddit
Someone hijacking a Goodyear blimp and filling it with bombs to blow it up in the Super Bowl games.
Practical-Trash-4976@reddit
Didn’t Sideshow Bob do something similar?
susanrez@reddit
Massive worldwide power grid failure. Probably from a trifecta of catastrophic events. Storms+mass coronal ejection+damage from war or some other combination of events that will affect power grids across the world. If it happens we have 3-7 days before society breaks down.
jdub75@reddit
Trump using EO to deport illegals. This is a test run. Next will be ‘enemy combatants’ ie, political rivals.
irritable_useful@reddit
Climate change, but most of you don't want to hear that. I don't know how you all view it on Reddit, but every prepper I've met in real life denies climate change, thinks vaccines will kill them, and called covid a hoax when it started spreading.
Maybe the real problem is ignorance. You can prep all you want, but you can't fix stupidity.
Subenca@reddit
Covid was real. That it mutated in nature was the hoax. Thanks, Fauci.
irritable_useful@reddit
See? This is the shit I'm talking about. Why don't you go read a god damned medical textbook before you spout this crap. Viruses evolve. Bacteria evolve. That's always been true.
preppers-ModTeam@reddit
Your comment has been removed for breaking our rules on civility, trolling, or otherwise excessively hostile.
Icy-Mix-3977@reddit
People saw both covid and 911 happening and called them out beforehand.
_stevie_darling@reddit
The government had a detailed pandemic plan in place that Trump discarded and then claimed to be blindsided by the covid pandemic. George W Bush was particularly fixated on the threat of a pandemic and preparing for one was his pet project.
preppers-ModTeam@reddit
Your post has been removed for being "Not focused on prepping/Off-Topic - Political." Try to keep posts and comments on the topic of prepping and not on politics.
Icy-Mix-3977@reddit
If you say so, I find it hard to believe they did anything helpful for him.
_stevie_darling@reddit
There are a lot more articles out there than the ones I cited.
Icy-Mix-3977@reddit
Really, the same news that has lied to us for decades cool. No thanks
_stevie_darling@reddit
Piggybacked off your comment because you struck me as being reasonable and not especially partisan. 😂
Icy-Mix-3977@reddit
I just said people saw it coming you came in with the trump attack no one asked for.
_stevie_darling@reddit
LOL It wasn’t an attack, it was a decision he made while in office, and I gave credit to a president who wasn’t known to be a deep thinker or to take serious matters seriously. You’ve really got the orange blinders on.
Icy-Mix-3977@reddit
If you say so, I'm not the one bringing him up unsolicited, spreading what's basically conjecture. You think the world would be rainbows and unicorns without trump, I don't particularly care. This is the world we live in, so it's the one I'll deal with.
Marklar0@reddit
A natural disaster that just happens to wipe out one of the biggest cities and cause trillions in damage.
Or some sort of electronic issue at a bank that wipes out everyone's balances. Someone made systemic mistakes and didn't have the right backups, etc.
Sudden failure of the US dollar would pretty much end civilization as we know it, and the conditions that cause a currency to fail are mysterious and unpredictable.
Dry_Catch7310@reddit
Chickens
OwnLittleCorner@reddit
Funding the research and preventative measures properly to plan ahead, ideally prevent and recover if unable and keeping it in place. We would have been worse off if the flu/coronavirus wasn't already closely watched for decades and part of why it affected the world so badly was multiple governments didn't react and take it seriously in time.
We are leagues behind in research and info on medical care for pretty much anyone that isn't a straight white man. Could end up with something that wipes out or affect majority of women because we didn't research enough for our overall health. There's already been observations that periods in girls are happening earlier and the theories I have heard over the years was our hormones were being affected by 1) BPA plastics, 2) GMO's, 3) pesticides or 4) growth hormones in our livestock. What if we get something that affects ability to reproduce, population could plummet.
Interesting-Mango562@reddit
umm maybe trump getting ready to declare a national emergency and use military assets on US soil to deport millions of people.
this is an absolute disgrace and people are going to die in the process. cities will band together and impede national guard units from entering entire communities….civilians and natg units will be killed. natg soldiers will be forced to load their own parents or brothers onto buses….people that have become citizens will be “denaturalized” from stephen millers plan and be forced into a country that they have seen in 40 years.
it’s going to be an absolute catastrophe…people thought the george floyd riots were bad
fzlim@reddit
Memory of last pandemic is still fresh. War is always a given, nothing new. Meltdown of several small banks happened recently.
I guess it left with the little people. It's gonna be a crisis come so fast that they blame it on the little people. Either a financial one or biological one.
That's when they can roll out their plans for one world government...15 mins cities...cbdc etc etc...because the little people of the world caused the crisis on earth.
3lobedburningeye@reddit
Financial collapse due to unsustainable spending
honeymustard_dog@reddit
This sub won't like my response because of political leanings but this presidency and congress is going to cause world chaos.
yeahipostedthat@reddit
Why in the world do you think THIS sub wouldn't like your response🤣 I think you're lost
Stasher89@reddit
Hear me out, I think the Jews are in tunnels under New York
Raddish3030@reddit
"We didn't see Sept 11th"
That's the funny thing. Just because something happens, doesn't mean people didn't see it.
ScrambledNoggin@reddit
If we learned anything from The Last of Us, it will be an intelligent fungus that takes us all down.
573Gator@reddit
As more and more people congregate in urban areas, the potential for viral pandemic threat increases. We're clustering the potential hosts/victims closer together. I wouldn't consider that a Black Swan event since it is foreseeable.
howdidigetheresoquik@reddit
Internet going down and not coming back up
ArtemisHanswolf@reddit
A lot of the things mentioned were expected to happen. A terrorist attack? The US has been involved in many bad things for many years- it was bound to happen. Americans are cocky and ignorant in this regard. We never expect repercussions for the atrocities our country has committed. With climate change, many scientists have warned of more frequent (and severe) pandemics. While we may not know exactly when these scenarios will occur, we know they will. It's just a matter of when, where, and the severity of what they do.
drAsparagus@reddit
They had some form of "drill" or "practice scenario", if you will, prior to both 9/11 and Covid. So, there might be detectable signals.
Cyber polygon comes to the forefront of my mind. They turn the lights off and western societies lose their shit in a matter of days. Chaos ensues and when the survivors have had enough, they'll swoop in with "solutions" that are ready yo be deployed. Those solutions will not be better for the people.
SuddenlySilva@reddit
Lots of people saw covid coming. Pretty much everyone who should have seen it coming, saw it coming
I worked for DHS. Up until 2016 our annual required training included incident command in disasters and pandemic.
You're right that it's not what everyone is talking about but for every possible scenario there is probably a group of people thinking very hard about it.
9/11 propelled Bush and focused the nation on revenge so it's hard to sort through the stories but at the 9/11 hearings people from the Clinton administration were calling out Bush about things they had warned about. I don't think they made a strong case that it was preventable but there were signs.
So, I think you can be broadly prepared and also look at fringe sources for less well known scenarios.
The solar flare thing is a big one. The odds of it happening remain the same whether we talk about iti or not. Apparently we do not have any idea the severity of the Carrington Effect. We only know what it did to 19th century technology.
Whatever the possibilities, you're gonna have to dig a little to get smart on them
meguggs@reddit
Food manipulation and chemicals
oldtimehawkey@reddit
WW3.
If Putin takes Ukraine, he’s not going to stop. He wants all the land back they lost when the USSR collapsed.
Is Europe ready for a war with Russia backed by China, North Korea (mostly soldiers for “cannon fodder”), and America?
jdagg1980@reddit
Nuclear war
ManliestManHam@reddit
H5N1. I think it'll hit H2H in the next 3-5 months
iwannaddr2afi@reddit
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think the majority of people have absorbed the impact climate change will have within my lifetime (millennial). It hasn't been presented by leaders in a very clear way. People hear "existential threat" about many things, and without leaders, primary/secondary educators, and media getting more granular about the likeliest impacts, people will continue to vaguely worry in the back of their minds without seeing as clearly as it is possible to see what this will actually mean for them.
gator_shawn@reddit
“One thing a person cannot do, no matter how rigorous his analytics or heroic his imagination, is to draw up a list of things that would never occur to him.”
Minimum-Major248@reddit
I’ve written on this in the past in my blog (https://watch-fire.net/warning-black-swan-sighted/.) Hope it helps your curiosity.
MezcalFlame@reddit
Who didn't see September 11th coming?
Even the official post-event narrative acknowledged intelligence failures, whether it was lack of communication between agencies or outright failure to react to telegraphing developments from our adversaries.
There were signs, they were simply ignored or the dots weren't connected at the right level of decision-making.
To answer your last question, it's climate change.
What has changed since Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth came out in 2006?
Undispjuted@reddit
You should watch Phil Valentine’s An Inconsistent Truth.
MezcalFlame@reddit
Why do you recommend it?
What did you like about it?
Why should I spend 1h30m of my time watching it?
Should I also watch something produced by flat earthers?
Undispjuted@reddit
A journalist interviewing climate experts and lawmakers from a critical/opposite than usual perspective is FAR from equivalent to flat earth believers.
JustAnotherUser8432@reddit
Bird Flu is making a lot of noise and no one is listening because of the US election.
The Sun could always decide to get in on the action - an X class solar flare that fried electricity would be bad.
skibby1234@reddit
This event would be scary. Thanks to populism in the last 8 years, it would be devastating. Extreme distrust of science and health is now mainstream.
Shit, RFK Jr. was nominated. Would be a total shit show.
Dangerous_Shirt9593@reddit
Egypt going to full war with Ethiopia over water rights. Suez Canal destroyed.
Israel annexing West Bank causes economic boycott from Europe. Trump administration responds with punitive tariffs on Europe.
Solar deeply devalued in favor of crypto currency affects global capital markets
RealTeaToe@reddit
Pretty sure a lot of people saw 9/11 coming 👀
Including the people with windows facing east.
Leader_2_light@reddit
Solar storm is most likely risk imo
Jay_Stone@reddit
TSM_forlife@reddit
A dictatorship. No on wants to discuss what we are looking at in January.
Ouroboros_Curses@reddit
I’m reading the next Neal Stephenson book to find out
tehdamonkey@reddit
If global warming is really happening in the more extreme way people are predicting: a massive continued crop failure in the northern hemisphere due to prolonged drought in combination to severe weather.
stu_pid_1@reddit
Global warming will trigger an ice age in the next few years, way faster than ever expected because all our models missed something..
Baked_potato123@reddit
I would guess that the biggest blind spot is a combination of events rather than just one event.
Remember a few years ago Colorado had huge wildfires that devastated urban areas followed immediately by freezing rain and snow. A bunch of newly displaced and houseless people were instantly fucked, no hotels or way to leave.
I would guess combos like this on a larger scale could be quite catastrophic.
cruelandusual@reddit
Gamma ray burst.
Saltygirlof@reddit
Ogallala aquifer going dry
United_Pie_5484@reddit
Another extreme weather event, which is more of a gray swan event. Any given place it is possible, but statistically unlikely. In general over a broad area it is almost inevitable.
JennieCritic@reddit
Ukraine firing a US-supplied missile and killing Putin's kids. A few hours later.....
brokesd@reddit
Extended drought and water shortages a real threat with polar shift forests become deserts and deserts become forest we see this by the flora in the artic and weird sands we haven't had a mass extinction event in human history (minus human made ones) but nature is a serial killer
Zak1322@reddit
Asteroid hit that wipes out all life as we know it.
Essentially 100% guaranteed at some point. It’s already happened several times, with the last mass extinction event happening around 12k years ago.
Enjoy your day! 😳
chthonodynamis@reddit
We're about to see massive layoffs in almost every industry as companies attempt to use AI to replace their labor force. This will lead to mass social unrest which will be answered in the typical fashion
kilog78@reddit
Gulf Stream collapse. Shocked I don’t see this anywhere else in this thread.
I_like_the_word_MUFF@reddit
War over water.
Meenamiameemee@reddit
Extraterrestrial life exists and the government has proof.
“Technology not of this Earth” is a wild quote from the congressional hearing.
BillyDeCarlo@reddit
We just had it. The election. The chain reaction of events as a result will be global and staggering.
ThunderPigGaming@reddit
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GlobalEar8720@reddit
But bro it’s just politics. /s
MeowKat85@reddit
Supervolcano. Or maybe an oops nuke?
_stevie_darling@reddit
Every so often I google the Yellowstone supervolcano fallout zone to check that my house is still in a good zone. 😬
MeowKat85@reddit
I’m barely in the ash line. Would be fun times for the planet, that’s for sure.
_stevie_darling@reddit
Same, I’m in the desert so at least the ash cloud will lower the temperature while I’m choking on toxic dust.
AdFeeling8333@reddit
A terror attack. The Deep State will need to justify everything Tulsi, Trump and company plan to cut and reel in.
Strawberry_Poptart@reddit
I mean, given the current political climate, nuclear war.
stryst@reddit
Iran testing a nuclear weapon ignites underground oil stores. Think the hellfires in Kuwait, but radioactive.
Trump slashes the CDC and orders everyone fired. A disgruntled employee takes a little something something home and now we have smallpox in a major city.
Kessler syndrome is WAY closer than than we should be comfortable with.
World production of silver fell 8% short of demand last year, which was the third year in a row there's been a deficit. Solar panels use grams of silver each, and a LOT of consumer electronics depends on silver for heat sinks and low resistance switches. The cannabis industry also uses a lot of silver making feminized seeds.
Bedbug populations have exploded and moved into areas they were never known in before. They've also developed resistance to pretty much every standard insecticide on the market. What a fine disease vector they would make.
Adding to the last point, as climate warms northern areas that didn't have mosquito populations before WILL have them now. Areas that have no infrastructure in place to deal with them. A northern latitude malaria surge would be bad.
DepartmentTight6890@reddit
Competition among artificial Intelligence takes over the monetary system and crashes the economy.
musical_shares@reddit
96-62@reddit
I'll start by pointing out that black Swan is subjective. It may come absolutely out of the blue to you, but maybe somebody else did know.
Covid19 was like this, an utter surprise for most people, including me, but predicted and prepared for by others.
What are we currently ignoring that experts know about?
Donald Trump's economic policy, for one thing. 20% tarrifs on all imports? Both short and long term pain will be substantial.
Peak oil? I saw something quantitative on this finally, and it put peak oil extraction at 2035, but peak net oil extraction, ie discounting the oil you have to spend to get it some time around now, or the next two years. I'm not sure how big a problem this is, there are electric cars, and petrol is quite affordable at the moment.
dittybopper_05H@reddit
This is a silly question.
"What thing that we can't know about is going to be the next thing to hit us?"
U420281@reddit
True quantum computing. All those crypto assets vulnerable in a second. Couple it with AI and there are the scenarios we can't imagine. We have quantum computing today, but the researchers have too high of an error rate. Quantum computing breaks encryption easy.
princessfluffytoes@reddit
~civil war~
earthshq@reddit
First, sleeper cell bombing deployments on US infrastructure. Hyperinflation. Later, the release of Avian Flu killing billions.
reduhl@reddit
A spaceship arrives and inform their research animals that they are cleaning enclosure as a thank you for all the data. But after that we are on our own. Then they reset the atmospheric and ocean carbon levels and leave without providing any tech.
I can see religions falling apart, along with a radical shift in people’s perspectives.
hunta666@reddit
OK so two that spring to mind if we open this pandoras box.
Power grid taken down by an adversary. Either a national government that decides to flip the switch, a collective of hackers (yep diehard fire sale type scenario) or (less likely) EMP strike from an enemy nation. Could also go with Carrington event from a solar storm, but again, it's a bit less likely, in my opinion. Takes out the. Competition and requires them to wholesale rebuild from a weakened position.
Activation of gigantic cells of terrorists that have infiltrated amongst illegal immigrants causing a trojan horse type of "civil war." Could be activated by a geopolitical situation eg attack on Iran, situation in Taiwan or multiple other occurrences. It could be a cartel or a terorist group too as opposed to nation state funded. It is not as big an issue in the USA due to an armed population that may be able to cope and react but consider places like Europe where civilians are in little position to fight off an organised armed invader equipped with fully automatic firearms and military equipment.
Commercial_Yak7468@reddit
I don't see an EMP event or activation of migrant terrorist cells, mostly because both seem to be wasted efforts of resources on an adversaries part.
A cyber attack on the power grid is more likely (as both China and Russia have the cyber capabilities to penetrate our grid). A down power grid along with the current political tensions in the US is all that is needed to cause the level of choas our adversaries are looking for. They can then use thier resources (technolically and human resources) in more strategic places (like Taiwan and Ukraine).
hunta666@reddit
All horses for courses, really. I'm open-minded on most things. These were just thoughts that came to mind.
I can still see the migrant terrorist cell angle if we look at it as colonising and grabbing land mass of an adversary when there would be so many fronts to have to fight on. The areas could be conquered and colonised before combat even occurred with the right numbers. You then divide and stretch "the enemy" between having combat on multiple theatres around the globe whilst having to deal with internal domestic conflict. There are plenty of examples of this throughout history where empires have broken down in similar circumstances. Again, I think having an armed population does act as an effective counter to this but I wouldn't dismiss it entirely.
prowipes@reddit
An outbreak of extreme female horniness.
SebWilms2002@reddit
While it may not happen for another 1000 years, a Miyake event is possible. Basically a geomagnetic storm, of uncertain cause, that lasts for weeks or months. It could potentially cause truly global disruption to the power grid, increasing high atmospheric drag causing satellites to fall back to earth. It is basically what doomsday preppers imagine an EMP would look like, but it is completely natural and we don't even know for certain what causes them.
JJHotcakes2020@reddit
With all the unknown people who have come into the country the last for years it would only take a very small percentage to be very bad actors to take out the electric grid for the whole country. It would take months if not a year or more to fix. By then 75% to 85% of the people in the country will be dead.
Exotemporal@reddit
Attacks against the electric grid are much more likely to be coming from accelerationists who look a lot more like us than migrants.
flortny@reddit
BIRD FLU is probably twice as deadly as spanish flu
XRustyPx@reddit
If there is an event we dont know about and cant begin to predict than thats what it is and we dont know about it.
But im pretty sure that most governments have atleast some plans in place in case the things we know can happen, do happen.
Exceptions are things we know could happen but cant really prepare for are things like gamma ray burst or a rogue planet or massive asteroid hitting the earth and we find out too late or things like false vacuum decay where nothing would matter anyway.
No-Professional-1884@reddit
Well, we have billionaires and foreign governments buying up millions of acres of farmland to control the food supply.
We have an economy that is dependent on limitless consumerism.
We have corporations and billionaires dumping billions of dark money into our politics, effectively owning our government.
Our for-profit healthcare system that is structured and incentivized to keep people unwell.
The climate catastrophe that we are not stopping due to the aforementioned dark money.
A political atmosphere that is more divided by the day (not trying to talk politics but I think everyone can agree that discourse and compromise are a thing of the past right now.)
IMO, when one of those starts to go, they all will. So buckle up kids, it’s gonna be a crazy century.
subsevenn7@reddit
The black swan event is the collapse of the US dollar.
subsevenn7@reddit
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Dependent-Mammoth918@reddit
Angry Biden is still president. Never know what he may do.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit
Just remember Flight 77 hit the 77 foot tall Pentagon at the 77th parallel 77 minutes after take off.
Quiet_Ad6925@reddit
Population decline, crumbling economies because 20,30s do all the consumption and lots of countries are running out of young people. Coupled with the global security issues with a declining America as a superpower. War plus climate change becoming warmer will lead to famine. I personally like how Peter zehian breaks down basics of geo politics from a demographic, political, and geographic point of view. I dont think he's right on everything, but he has comprehensive knowledge of complex workings of global trade, soil composition, politics, and the list goes on. He called the Ukraine war early on and says that by 2030, China will no longer be what it currently is because their population, along with Russia and Japan, are terminal. If they were to fix their population problems, they needed to start 30 years ago. Again, I don't think he's always right, but he sure does have a deep understanding of the history global issues. I like all of peter zeihans books. End of the world is just the beginning, mapping the collapse of globalization.
D_dUb420247@reddit
Bird flu is going around. Ai is getting more of a foothold. Democracy is on the fritz. Hackers are becoming more resilient and will be able to take over complex security systems. Just to name a few.
Shrewd-Intensions@reddit
Aliens man, aliens…
The defenition of a black swan is something not thought to happen. So a volcanic eruption, pandemic and so on is a statistical given, hence not a black swan.
melympia@reddit
No true black swan event, but there are some very worrying trnds worldwide: - New pandemics. Bird flue is on top of the list of hopefuls, but monkeypox and even a new variant of Creutzfeldt-Jakob-Disease (human cases of CWD) are potentials. - Major flooding, especially around the coasts (sea levels are rising) - Harsher weather (stronger and more common storms, flash-floods due to massive downpours, droughts, heat waves...) pretty much everywhere. - AMOC dying, with all the consequences (harsher winters and less precipitation for Europe, higher water levels at the North American East coast, more heat and more/stronger storms for Norrh America...) - Somewhat sudden spike in global temperatures once all glaciers and ice shields are gone. (They have been shrinking for decades. Did you know that the energy needed to melt 1 liter of ice will heat the resulting water to roughly 80°C?) - Cataclysmic geological events - either supervolcano going off, main suspects right now are Yellowstone and Campi Flegrei. Major earthquakes - for the US, some of the worst possibilities are the Cascadia subduction zone and the New Madrid seismic zone, I think. - Food scarcity. Everywhere. Due to climate change, due to disrupted supply chauns, due to various insects going extinct... - WW3. Be it staged around Russia/Europe or the Middle East or China making shit real - or maybe all three at once
FloorHairy5733@reddit
The decline of the bee population due to pesticides. Bees are responsible for about 60% of pollination on the planet. Plagues, viral epidemics, financial collapse. For eons human kind has owed its existence to 6 inches of topsoil and the fact that it rains. We could face a life-threatening crisis at any time due to a multitude of reasons. I believe one of the most imminent dangers is Iran's nuclear program. Israel won't allow that to happen and when they intervene the middle east will begin WW3.
superg7one3@reddit
I think it’ll be some sort of emp event. They’ve been hyping up the dangers of solar flares for a while now. We are severely lacking in spare parts to replace or repair the power grid if needed, and I’ve heard we have been sending what spares we do have to Ukraine for a couple years. Read the book Lights Out by Ted koppel, it’s a pretty grim scenario. No bombs or wars, the lights just go out and stay out. If a foreign country wanted to ruin us, a coordinated attack of several dirty bombs taking down most of the grid would get us looting and shooting in no time. Wipe out half the country without ever setting foot on our soil, or firing one shot. I feel like I’m as ready as can be for a lot of scenarios, but that one is pretty frightening to me. 🤷🏼♂️
StarkAndRobotic@reddit
Covid 25
chassala@reddit
Lets look back at the Roman empire. In the fourth century (everything after 300) if you asked anyone living in the Roman empire if its about to self destruct, you would have been laughed out of the room.
Here you had highly specialized market sectors and an actual state running things, mainly for collecting taes so that the military could both be payed and fed.
But starting in the early 4th century, what followed was:
- gradual ending of the warm period that allowed for comparatively high crop yields, which in turn showed just how much th Roman Empire was still a mostly agrarian based society
- the loss of africa broke the taxation triangle (Africa, spain and italy) of the western roman empire. this, together with the changing climate proved highly disruptive to the western roman empire as a whole
What could this mean for us?
- market stresses: We've seen it happen a few times in the last 10 to 20 years or so, what happens when global trade gets disrupted, what happens when certain regions of the world see a rise in food prices (revolutions follow)
- I think we are due for a major global market crisis due to big regional conflicts.
What does this mean for an individual:
- This depends on where you live. US? Generally speaking, you should be fine, as the US at least on paper has the abilities and ressources to be self sustainable, albeit on a much lower level economically
- EU? Generally speaking, individuals should be fine, but regional differences might be just as extreme as in the US
- Mediterranean Africa? I think people are rightly worried. Even states like Morocco and Algeria already highly depend on political suppression for a semblance of stability. If those two fall, maybe because of food scarcity, maybe because of a fresh influx of refugees, it could spell the end of those states for good.
- Central africa: I think most of the region is ahead of the curve on this, meaning its basically a never ending crisis there, ready to errupt into many, many civil wars.
- Central asia (Russia and surrounding states): so far this large region has proven very stable, but overall most people are poor. If states loose main income sources, things may get worse quickly, depending on where you live.
- India: big question mark here!
- China: Big question mark but my bet would be on China being the one starting shit next year or so. They kind of have too if they still want to have a chance at achieving their overarching goals before they loos the ability to do so AND their neighbour are prepared enough
- Korea? Big question mark. Things are changing quickly right now for the northern regime, but I don't see them waging war on the south in the next decade. The south has major demographic issues.
- South Africa: Very big question mark.
- South america: On the downturn for a while now. Long time away from any prosperity.
Lo_jak@reddit
I think larger global conflict.... we are like a frog being slowly boiled in a pot right now. The war in the Ukraine and Israel has been slowly growing over time and more players are making their lines in the sand, picking their sides.
It's going to get to a breaking point in Europe and looking at how Poland have been gearing up I would use that as a signal to what they are expecting to happen. Poland have actively been preparing their citizens for war with Russia, they seem fairly certain that it's going to happen.
Both Sweeden and Finland have advised their citizens to start preparing their supplies, and they have distributed booklets on how to survive war and what they need to do should war break out.
The Ukraine war is easily the largest threat to the world at this moment in time.
AZULDEFILER@reddit
Crypto acceptance destabilizes Globalism
chi-nyc@reddit
More likely crypto acceptance accelerates globalism.
wtfredditacct@reddit
I worry less about crypto in general than I do about central bank digital currencies.
AZULDEFILER@reddit
I agree. Its just my Black Swan guess
Syenadi@reddit
Well if we told you it would no longer be a Black Swan event now would it?
;-)
monad68@reddit
Gaza-level genocide brought to your neighborhood. Everything happening in Gaza can happen here. Quadcopter drones sniping children, AI targeting, starvation, polio, etc.
Reverb223456@reddit
Seeing an apartment building leveled by an airstrike in real life would certainly be traumatizing.
GCI_Arch_Rating@reddit
Foucault's boomerang is real and it's a motherfucker.
ArtisanalDickCheeses@reddit
2038 Problem
THERE IS NO SOLUTION NOR HAS THERE EVER BEEN AND THERE'S NO SOLUTION COMING FORWARD TO THIS PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE - WE CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT
FatherOfGreyhounds@reddit
So, the Y2K problem, version 2.0. Hate to tell you this, but it will be the same non-issue that Y2K was. Software updates aren't an insurmountable problem.
UndercoverRussianSpy@reddit
I'm a computer scientist. This is such a long term problem (over 13 years away) that it really won't be a big problem. Maybe a few systems have problems but I really doubt it because it's a known problem and we have a long time to fix it. Don't worry too much.
sarathecookie@reddit
Im literally copying and pasting the solution from the link you provided:
-"Modern systems and software updates to legacy systems address this problem by using signed 64-bit integers instead of 32-bit integers, which will take 292 billion years to overflow—approximately 21 times the estimated age of the universe."
ArtisanalDickCheeses@reddit
The most problematic devices are going to be those that aren’t connected to the internet and that can’t be updated through a software patch.
Lasshandra2@reddit
We had to devise solutions to the Y2K problem.
Businesses and organizations will have to do this again. Ways to identify vulnerable systems, test beds to verify solutions, plans and resources to implement solutions, and baseball caps to hand out to workers who have to work through that weekend (it was New Year’s weekend for the Y2K).
The extra work for the project was added to the expectations of our jobs. The problem was known in advance so systems that could not be fixed were replaced (there was a bump in sales of replacement systems, and budgets were increased to deal with this). The following few years saw fewer purchases so sales people were sad. Management later set acceptable limits on age of active equipment (stopped use of obsolete equipment).
Some management dislikes listening to technical experts. They learn a lesson.
New_pollution1086@reddit
So Y2K but real?
ArtisanalDickCheeses@reddit
Yes. The 2038 bug is not a what-if scenario, but a real threat that could affect a wide range of systems, such as embedded systems/devices, Internet-of-Things (IoT) devices, operating systems, databases, servers, networks, applications, and web services. What else will it affect? Trains, automobiles, planes, etc.
New_pollution1086@reddit
We had a good run.
DMTLTD@reddit
Housing market steep decline/collapse combined with hundred of thousands (million maybe?) underwater high interest mortgages from 2022-current. Housing market is cooling to an extent dragging recently sold property values down, turning equity into a ball and chain of debt.
I hope it doesn't happen and I hope all of those high interest loans can be refinanced.
pineapplesf@reddit
Imo, either a supervolcano or a major earthquake. Know they exist, statistically possible but unlikely, and absolutely devastating.
WIcheeseeater@reddit
An actual pandemic that everyone blows off until it's too late. Ends up being very deadly or debilitating to a lot of people, everything the govt said covid was supposed to be.
shanghainese88@reddit
09 swine flu, Covid 19, we’ll get another pandemic by 2029 for sure.
lizerdk@reddit
How many people is a lot of people, would you say
RutCry@reddit
Except this time the assumption of a huge percentage of people will be that the government is lying to us again.
wtfredditacct@reddit
And because of the mass exploitation of covid, no one will take it seriously until it's too late.
Euphorix126@reddit
The risk of a large asteroid crashing into the planet with little to no warning is probably far larger than you realize. There is an uncomfortable gap between the asteroids small enough to be harmless and those big enough to see coming.
DarkVandals@reddit
The collapse of the US