I personally would take the vaccine. It's just that I support people's right to choose ("my body my choice"). Anyways, I was moreso calling them based for opposing Muslamics and Ns.
the thing is it was a PANDEMIC. if you have some kind of religious or other kind of objection that’s fine but then you shouldn’t be allowed in public places (at the height of the pandemic; it barely matters nowadays) the choice should be get vaccinated and mask up to stop the spread or stay the fuck at home. one of, if not the single biggest obstacle to handling the pandemic in america was “muh individuality” because it’s only “my body my choice” until you’re contributing the spread of a highly virulent pandemic
Vaccines are deemed good by the establishment so anti-establishment clowns will of course say they are bad because they have no political position other than being opposed to the "establishment".
If the WHO came out tomorrow and said all vaccines are terrible for you all of these 65 IQ knuckle-dragging trogs would be lining up to get all the vaccines.
We would have to have native reps and senators for that to happen. Personally I think major reservations should have delegates the way the US territories and DC does, but since they technically have representation via their states reps and senators it’s an uphill battle
There were not hundreds of millions of natives in what is today the United States at any point, even the most generous estimates scholars give are just over 100 million.
Never at a single point in history have there been 100 million native Americans simultaneously, even if you combine all of North and South America.
There had been only 350 million people in the year 1400, no shot more than 1/4th of the population lived in North/South America, a continent less developed than Africa. The natives were all nomads and very, very few practiced agriculture and those that did, didn't have the "good" stuff, they had maize and tomatoes, while the Inca had potatoes and barely cultivated them. They also didn't have good farm animals. No cows, no chickens, no sheep, no horses... The largest population centers were the Nahua and Maya people and they barely reached 10 million.
No, at most 15-30 million natives lived in both Americas at any given time.
What is possible is that overall 100 million native Americans died, over a span of 400 years.
British parliament is just a bunch of old men saying “mr speaker, the prime minister/leader of the opposition is… le bad” then his side cheers while the other boos
Taiwanese Parliament is even better. Fist fights and shoving matches used to be par for the the course but it’s chilled out in recent years. In 2020 pig guts were thrown in parliament over a ban on US pork imports, and this May a dude snatched a bill by force and ran out before it could be signed.
Haka is everywhere in New Zealand, it’s not inappropriate in the context of the country. The government was also founded with a signed partnership, so in a way it legally also has a place there.
For international readers, the haka and everything they did in Parliament was completely normal in NZ. It wasn't barbaric or savage - it was part of our shared national culture.
We have the haka at the start of rugby games, pōwhiri (official welcomes), we have competitions for haka, we teach haka at school and have different variations depending on the school and background. Our national anthem is sung both in English and Maori, our official signage is in both English and Maori. Numerous place names are Maori or we use the Maori equivalent interchangeably. Our country's founding document is the Treaty of Waitangi/Te Tiriti o Waitangi - which, despite having a messy history, places both British settlers (Pakeha) and Maori (tangata whenua) on equal footing in a partnership. That treaty hasn't always been honoured but there's been a big push over the last few decades to properly respect te Tiriti and rectify many past grievances - and this is what the current bill going through Parliament is threatening to completely fuck up. We're finally in a good ish point in race and indigenous relations in NZ and the current government is taking a sledgehammer to it. We're one of the few - or only - former British colonies that didn't completely fuck over the indigenous populations.
To put it in an American context, it'll be as if your declaration of independence and constitution was written and signed by the indigenous native American tribes as well as the colonies - only for the future government to renege again and again and then try to rewrite it to make it more appealing to the majority party.
Do you not remember how non-vaccinated people were treated during the covid lockdowns?
COVID wasn't even around for a year (vaccines take at least 5 years to make), and suddenly we had all these vaccines being pushed, bribing us with free Krispy Kreme, free big Mac, etc. and telling us that we hate granny or something if we didn't get these vaccines. A lot of people were not "anti-vax" but rather just skeptical of these COVID vaccines, and they were ridiculed and shamed. So what was the natural response?
can someone explain why 4chan hates vaccines? like why is them blocking vaccines a "based" thing for them to do?
Before covid, being anti-vaccine wasn't particularly politically polarized. If anything, it was leftish soccer moms who were mosty stereotypically anti-vaccine. During covid, stricter lockdown rules and vaccine mandates became associated with the left, and I think the right started hating vaccines just because the left was so in favour of them
There's also the part about an untested, experimental drug being rolled out, with many governments and companies forcing people to take it with no care for the potential personal and/or societal repercussions.
That's why the untested experimental drug went directly to the rich elites and their families first. They were probs so skeptical of its effectiveness that they volunteered themselves to test it for side effects. How generous of them, so lucky that so few of them ended up experiencing those terrible side effects
Dude, vaccines make your immune system more prepared to face the disease, they don’t block it from entering your system. You get sick less and over it faster if you are vaccinated
You can still get polio if you have the polio vaccine, it just lowers transmissiveness enough that the disease can't effectively spread through populations, and so eventually dies out because people get better at a rate faster than new people get it.
it did actually, by a lot. Symptoms were much worse in unvaccinated compared to vaccinated. It was a huge sticking point early on becuase our ICUs were clogged with unvaccinated dipshits
"Early on" likely being pre-vaccine, as opposed to post-vaccine, when there were still plenty of vaccinated individuals coming into hospitals with serious symptoms.
Early on as in right after the vaccine came out, the overwhelming people needing hospitalizations from Covid were unvaccinated. This was a trend noticed anecdotally and then confirmed later via admissions stats
People choose to put themselves and their families at risk all the time, and vice versa, in numerous different circumstances without it being illegal behavior.
The government has no right to force you to receive injections of experimental drugs by guilt-tripping you with the well-being of your family.
Or is that "My body, my choice." shit just a show?
What other behaviors should the government actively prevent you from doing for the sake of your family? What else should they try to punish you with ruining your life for?
Did they "force" you or did they merely call you a shithead for not taking it? Because I don't remember anybody being immobilized and injected against their will.
Yeah because you were a danger to those around you. Its not that different from banning smoking or drinking in certain public places, or requiring you to wear a seatbelt and have a licence when driving.
Banning smoking may have been treated differently if it was "put this injection in your body to stop you from smoking against your will"
It's one thing to stop an activity in some areas, it's another to force someone to take something or else say they're banned from ALL activities within a society.
The COVID vaccine was indeed experimental, and if not untested, not nearly tested enough to know even the short-term effects. It rolled out before it was ready, due to politically-motivated expedition.
We have an unknown virus spreading through the globe so let's treat it with a somewhat unknown vaccine with unknown longterm side effects.
Based on the death rate of the virus and the rate of possible side effects, depending on how old you were, it literally came down to "pick your poison, friend"
I mean there are also no indicators to say it would cause cancer it’s purely speculation, but what wasn’t speculative was the mass graves of dead Americans who died from Covid. I’m also of the opinion that vaccines are just so effective people just simply forgot what life was like without them.
Experimental implies that the vaccine was unfinished and didn’t undergo vigorous testing with human subjects before being doled out to the masses, which just isn’t true
False. A Pfizer executive admitted under oath that the vaccine was not 100% effective at stopping transmission when they released it. It also had no long term data on potential side effects when it was released.
Which hospital or medical school did you do your research at? How was this research conducted? Was it peer reviewed? How long did your vaccine research take and how many subjects were in your trials?
Or are you just regurgitating buzzwords and phrases because you already read a few websites that agree with your already held belief and are classing that as research? All while having the cheek to tell others not to believe what they read? Away n take yer face for a shite.
i did it at john hopskins with my fellow doctors. one of them is infact a reddit user named gorebello, a close personal friend. the vaccine research was done over the course of 6 years and had n=77 patients.
23 of the subjects developed severe cases of terminal autism while 44 of them developed asthma and fatness. the remaining 10 subjects put on their redditor t shirts and we had to put them down. unfortunatley jeff bezos, elon musk and bill nye the science guy and bill gates the computer guy walked in and said "good work boys, but thatlle be it " and then started fireblasting all our work and computers.around the corner i saw my john hopskins supervisor manager doctor wanking himself silly with wads of cash he had been handed as he yelled "it doesnt cause autism abort abort study hehehhrhehe"
no but seriously, gorebello really changed my mind on vax autism. ask him
None of those agree with you. The King County, Scientific American, and Vaccines Today ones all say vaccines don't cause autism. Quora is not a source, I'm not even going to bother looking at it. And the Statista one is opinions of random people which also shows only a tiny percentage of people even believe the myth.
Also you know it is possible to paste a full link rather than just the website.
they all agree with me and qoura is a more reputable source than leftist propaganda cnn. statista clearly agrees with me too. im a smart guy, i knownbetter than u i graduated top of my class in college
Start of outbreak, "Please stay home and let the vaccine be developed. Also, a vaccine's side effect and true effectiveness would take some time, as long as 5 years or more."
When vaccines are out, the vaccine just works and you dare not question whether there are side-effects.
I could understand special circumstances require expedient measures. But just outright banning the discussion of the reliableness of a scientific development is counter-intuitive and you cannot expect people to not push back.
A significant portion of people do hold the view that "People should be allowed to question a theory or narrative, even if in the end it proves the deniers or doubters wrong."
Just like how people push back against parents telling them to get higher education, the idea generally benefits them in their life but how many people do follow through the narrative/idea. Some do succeed in life and a lot fail, but that is the freedom of human choice. You just can't force it.
Considering who exactly was discussing the reliableness of the Vaccines I feel pretty safe to disregard their opinions in exchange for people who have spent their whole lifes researching and studying Vaccines and Viruses.
Lets just face it like it is, the Covid pandemic was used by many populist parties to push a political agenda, it had nothing to do with them truly not believing in Vaccines.
And as an ICU nurse who never had worse times in their life I could not hate them more for it.
Considering the fact that my school was labelled the mill of doctors (I am not one of them, I work in law) and half of the doctor friends I know do question the vaccines' potential side-effects, pulling rank is never the best way to handle these topics.
Also, just because you devoted your whole life in research and development, it does not automatically render your opinion a decree of truth that is unchallengable. Whether you or I feel safe or not is very irrelevant when you are talking about whether a person is allowed to question a theory or even a fact.
The vaccine issue does get drawn into the political agenda and complicated the whole discussion. It is disappointing that a significant amount of people do blindly accept or reject the vaccine simply because your opponent holds the opposite stance.
I'm a doctor and so are 90% of my friends, across the country. We have one single friend among us who was anti covid vaccine. Overwhelming majority of docs were fine with it lol. The moral high grounding around it was obnoxious but still not as annoying as the Joe Rogan and 4chan anons obsessed with thinking the "jab" was anything more sinister than a run of the mill vaccine. It really took away from how much of an achievement it was to get it developed in the first place
Anti and concerned/question are two different stances. I just feel like we are going on different tangents since the start.
The problem is still that often any concerns about long term side effects are just brushed off and categorized as pure deniers is what made people unable to talk about it at all.
If anything, it just continues to prove my point that no one is willing to accept that the concern of long term (possible) side effects is just not addressed with. The proof of short term and immediate effectiveness is never an answer to the question towards the long term possible consequences.
Also, what does the achievement of a fast development really brings to the table about this issue? What it tells is that there is not enough time for people (and it was practically impossible too) to long into potential long term effects. Chlorofluorocarbons were considered great cooling agents but how long did it take until people find it harmful to the ozone layer? 60 years.
And if anything that was proven recently, it is the moral high ground (justified and unjustified) that is far more obnoxious for the general Walmart Americans. You can disregard their opinion, but the overflow of in-patients will just continue to be an indirect consequence of your disdain towards them and not getting the point across to them.
Considering that I am working in a medical setting for over 12 years as a nurse and am currently studying medicine I am gonna call cap on your first point. No one ever said you should not challenge medications and vaccines but you also gotta accept when maybe the evidence overwhelmingly points into one direction.
Bingo. I remember in 2015 when anons decided to throw massive support behind Trump “for the lulz”. Making pro-Trump memes, spreading them everywhere. It was coordinated.
Now adoring Trump is standard /b/ behavior.
I still wonder if this was a deliberate effort by a group who wanted to see it happen.
Why did you include me though, without even knowing me? You're dumber than I thought, making assumptions here and there. "You're with us, or with them", classic herd mindset. Both left-wing and right-wing suffer from polarized people like you.
Remember, vaccines are totally safe. Except the JnJ vaccine, which was granted Emergency Use Authorization before they realized it would literally kill people.
can someone explain why 4chan hates vaccines? like why is them blocking vaccines a "based" thing for them to do?
Regular vaccines they're fine with. The covid vaccines they didn't agree with because they believe the data supporting the efficacy of them was cherry picked and all dissenting voices were silenced for being "misinformation" whether in the form of cancelation, banning from social medias, or losing medical licenses.
This, combined with the idea of a covid vaccine passport, mandates and lockdowns, and the goalpost for "fully vaccinated," is being moved from 2 shots to 2 shots+1 booster to 2 shots+2 boosters, etc. Only fueled conspiracies about covid vaccines, which made them hate then as a whole even more.
It's a mainly questioning authority but also some legitimate concerns with government basically putting the cart before the horse regarding a vaccine that had not been tested in the wider population.
Vax thing wasn't a big issue before the rona. Anons became squarely against the mRNA vax rollout though because it was practically untested in the general population, new type of experimental vaccine and all that. They turned out to be right (cardiac problems in people that didn't have them before) and they turned out to be wrong (people's brains didnt turn into mush). Long term, we're gonna have to see.
There isnt one, he is simply miss understanding the statistics. There was/is an increased risk, however Covid also has an increased risk. And covid has a much higher risk than the vaccine. The big thing people forget here is that this was massively influenced by different sources of fake news and russian propaganda. Misinformation was almost at an all time peak during the covid years and it’s sad to see how much the 4chinnera in here fell for it
Something I don't see discussed - likely because people who are anti-vaccine are usually anti-all-vaccines - is how the non mRNA vaccines, Johnson and Johnson mainly, were specifically targeted with bad press early on. "It gives one in a million women blood clots!" And "The efficacy is lower!" Ignoring that one in a million is hilariously within the margin of error, and the efficacy was lower because the vaccine was tested during the peak of one of the COVID waves instead of during a valley like Pfizer and Moderna were.
My university even made the decision to not count the Johnson & Johnson vaccine towards your vaccination/booster status. They forced everybody who wasn't grandfathered in to get a Moderna or Pfizer shot or be disenrolled. I highly doubt this was isolated and led to way more people getting the mRNA shots.
I find it really hard to believe that these were all natural occurrences, and so my personal conspiracy theory on the matter is that there was an intentional misinformation campaign against non-mRNA vaccines to keep untested gene therapy drugs from seeming unsafe.
Meanwhile my university professor made a pause during molecular biology lesson to advise us to take non-mRNA vaccines if we are going to take any at all.
Not to mention part of the vaccine thing was RFK jr and as a result 80 kids died from preventable disease like measles. It’s all ridiculous. We know vaccines work. We know they don’t actually cause autism. We also have majority of people on Earth ready to believe powerful rich people because they can’t be assed to learn anything themselves. Other than what right wing talking heads tell them.
"We also have majority of people on Earth ready to believe powerful rich people because they can’t be assed to learn anything themselves."
Are you talking about the anti-vaxxers that listen to talking heads on fox? Or the pro-vaxxers that get their info about drugs from massive unethical pharmaceutical companies that get paid to sell you drugs?
One leads to children dying and one leads to paying greedy men, but saves children. I guess take your pick? Plenty of other instituons are bending us over a barrel. Name an industry and you can figure out they’re fking you. I can’t think of an industry without problems, because the problem is usually the assholes involved.
For every American insulin shot sold at ludicrous prices there’s a Canadian getting it for cheap. So I guess insulin production is evil and we shouldn’t indulge them… they’re just as bad as anti vax! /s
Both are driven by greed (grifters always have the magic alternative to the vaccines like ivermectin, supplements, or diluted bleach products). Greed isn’t good, but if my choice comes down to get a vaccine from my pharmacy or actively contribute to child (and at risk populations) mortality.
When you say one leads to children dying are you talking about the pharmaceutical companies testing drugs on and killing third world children? Because I agree that that's wrong. And do you not think that supporting the world's largest drug pushers and manufacturers of the current opioid epidemic contributes to mortality rates? I agree that there are lots of evil industries but there aren't too many that actually kill people for money like big pharma does.
Um… alcohol, coal mining, smoking, vaping, fast food, chemical production, fracking, industrial farming (pesticides and run off), processed foods to a degree, and assisted living facilities come to mind. Different speeds of killing you than whatever tests you’re referencing (can you link current examples of testing on third world children killing then? Am familiar with stuff like Tuskegee syphilis studies but what are you referencing other than generalities?).
The steelman is a moral question of what the cost of freedom should be. Some people would rather the entire country get covid and probably kill the entire older generation, bc their rights "shall not be infringed". Other people think we ought to make exceptions to freedom if it saves the lives of millions of people. It's a values issue, it boils down to your personal axioms.
Anon doesn't need to be anti vaccine to have made this post. It's possible to simply say "this group is mad that this other group didn't get the vaccines because it hurts the incestuous profit driven relationship between pharma, finance, and politics, and (more importantly) because it indicates a unified group resistance."
It would be especially bad because the Maori, being a canonically protected indigenous group, are otherwise impossible to target. If the Maori are "bad guys" then that must make Anglos who colonized them "good" which breaks the rules.
cough with a %99.99 survival rate
best immunity is natural immunity by exposure
global police state because of cough
big pharma comes up with Vax in record time with no long term studies
uses technology never used in a Vax before for a cough with a %99.99 survival rate
government spends money on Vax
realise after year n a half of police state people aren't so willing to inject experimental technology without compensation or recourse for adverse effects
starts forcing people to take it by threatening their livelihoods and access to things.
most people panic and take it
most people only need an indirect unlawful threat to concede to things they wouldn't do
so if you're a a rare one that stuck to their guns about not bending over for big daddy government n pharma you're pretty based.
Dedicated left wing spaces were incredibly pro-vaccine and were unbelievably cringe in posting soy face selfies and Facebook frames bragging about getting their vaccines and booster shots.
Because it kills off simple minded, easy to manipulate genetic dead ends.
I was stunned when our govt gave us a breakdown of vaccine rates by ethnicity.
The mass immigration thing isn't something I'm aware of, but if true, pretty based. I can believe it, a lot of Maori people are pretty socially-acceptable-racist, where they're racist and say blatantly racist things, but they're Maori so get a pass.
You mean neo-liberal. National has a long history of selling NZ up the river and de-regulating foreign buying in NZ while giving tax breaks to the wealthiest groups in NZ.
They're not the same thing if your frame of reference isn't exclusively US politics.
Conservatives are traditional and don't like change. They're generally nationalistic, anti-globalisation, and believe in small government unless that government is being used to maintain the status quo. They overlap in economic deregulation, but neo-liberals don't give a shit about anything, are pro-globalisation, want everything deregulated and privatised, and will happily sell off the country and its assets wholesale.
I implore you to find a major conservative party in a European nation that doesn’t fit most or all of the traits you listed. Conservative parties are anti-worker, pro-privatisation and selling the country out to private interests. I live in Europe and this is universally true across the EU.
Firstly, no one but the Fdl thinks they are a proper conservative party. The rest of us call them right wing populists, neo-fascists or, if you’re halfway to being on their side, occasionally nationalists with a conservative tint. Secondly, they absolutely still do the shit you say are hallmarks of neo-liberals (conservatives). Their policies have promoted tax evasion, removed regulation on health and safety and cracked down on free protest.
Conservatism and your idea of neo-liberalism are synonymous.
>Party is far-right, post fascist.
>Party is engaged in nationalistic, protectionist, pro-intervention economic policy.
>Party is sovranismo, anti-immigration, and anti globalisation, swinging from being eurosceptic to mildly EU neutral.
>Party is openly conservative on social issues including being pro natalism, pro-traditional family, and anti-LGBT
>HURR THEY'RE THE SAME AS THE PRO GLOBALISATION, PRO IMMIGRATION, SOCIALLY LIBERAL PARTIES BECAUSE OF INTRA-NATIONAL DEREGULATION.
>EVERY PARTY RIGHT OF WHAT I LIKE IS A CONSERVATIVE.
Yeah conservative probably isn't the right word but it's the most far right wing you get here with Act/National, Winston Peter's is just along for the ride but has been famously anti immigration for a long time
Who is shitting on the Maori? Reddit is supposedly the biggest most far-left circlejerk echochamber yet all I see are people posting "Ooh haka so cool"
Well, if you live in New Zealand, some people who are already racist don't like them. Honestly, they are a bit odd sometimes, but most are pretty chill. Just don't piss them off, or you will actually see stars with how hard they'll hit you since they're all built like tanks.
But the overlapping problem which is also what people are shitting on is:
Cool people performs Haka: goes hard
Gen Z Politician performs Haka: Haka Tuah
This is all false, because of course it is. It's 4chan.
The vaccines mandates weren't stopped by only Māori, their were several protests that aided in stopping the mandates. The biggest one happend in Wellington where around 3000 at peak protested against lockdowns and mandates.
These mandates stopped people from working, which affected basically everything in their life.
In fact, the reason many Māori didn't get vaccinated wasn't because of them not wanting it. It was because the vaccine rollouts focused more on regions and age ranges that favoured NZ-europeans (Pakeha), either intentionally or not.
With immigration, NZ is very easy to immigrate to. While the current party, National, are attempting to make it more difficult to immigrate, I believe NZ is one of the easiest countries to immigrate to.
The issue is that, a lot of middle eastern and Asian people who do immigrate to NZ don't intend to live here but instead buy houses or move to Aussie when available to them.
Compared to NZ, Aussie is like a jail when you immigrate from outside NZ, and is very hard to get a visa. However, NZ and Aussie have a partnership where NZ residents and Aussie residents can move and live in each other's countrys without a visa, as our passports are "permanent visas" in this instance.
Māori are actually mutual on immigration and neither dislike or like it. It's mainly up the individual, like most things.
This is just a weird way of trying to make Māori look cool and based. But they don't need that, they bloody won a war against the British at a time where they were still one of the biggest powers in the world, and basically forced the British to sign a treaty. Our whole culture in centered around Māori culture, their already based.
>they bloody won a war against the British at a time where they were still one of the biggest powers in the world, and basically forced the British to sign a treaty
What. If you're talking about the Treaty of Waitangi that is 100% not what happened. The treaty was proposed by Maori to the British because they wanted protection from the French who were also eyeing up the country as a colony.
The treaty was signed in 1840. The NZ wars started 5-6 years later.
'Won' a war? Sure, they won some decent battles here and there and fought amazingly for their underdog status, but their casualty rate was about 10x higher than the British, and the Iwi/Hapu that fought against the crown lost pretty substantial amounts of land (\~1million hectares) because of it.
To add a extra angle, there were some in the colonial office who were worried that without formal legal status like a treaty the Maori would meet a similar fate to the Australian Aborigines.
It was because the vaccine rollouts focused more on regions and age ranges that favoured NZ-europeans (Pakeha), either intentionally or not.
Yes it was intentional, afterall it makes sense to vaccinate the older people first, and white people just stopped having as many babies so disproportionally a lot more older white people exist and far fewer younger ones. Younger demographics tend to be full of minorities, such as Maori.
Likewise it also makes sense to vaccinate people in urban areas first, i.e. regions where the virus actually spreads very quickly. It makes zero sense to vaccinate some rural isolated village first where the virus may not even spread at all. And as a matter of fact, Maori tend to live in rural areas, white people in more urban ones.
Phrasing it like that, intentionally or not, creates the impression of malice, systemic racism or conspiratorial thinking, ranging from racist genocide to covid-q-anon type theories. When the actual answer is that it makes sense to vaccinate the most vulnerable people first, i.e. older people & those in urban areas.
But they don't need that, they bloody won a war against the British at a time where they were still one of the biggest powers in the world, and basically forced the British to sign a treaty.
Well that's just not true.
The british won. That's why New Zealand was a british colony, why white people are the majority and maori a minority.
The Treaty of Waitangi was signed because that's how Europeans got colonies in the first place, protection treaties/unequal treaties. Almost every single European colony in the 19th century was established through a treaty and the Europeans build upon that to encroach and gain more influence and power in a region.
The Treaty was also signed BEFORE the wars. First New Zealand became a colony, then the British bought land, then several years later minor Maori resistance against their colonial overlord started and 1 more decade later the Maori actually fought in a united front against the british, but they still lost. About double the amount of Maori died than British, and the casualties are still very low : \~2000 dead Maoris, \~800 dead British.
Nice fact check but a few things need small clarification.
Older Māori are mostly against immigration. That's who voted for Winnie and NZF and Shane Jones back in the day.
There was some vaccine resistence in the North. You can see a vocal minority of Māori supporting Brian Tamaki in part due to his anti vaccine and anti immigration stances.
The treaty occured before almost all battles with the British. But you're right that Māori had the power in 1840 and the British were compelled. That's part of what makes this new bill so treacherous.
No because it was on literally EVERY post on this sub up until just a month or two ago when it got banned. I have never touched foot onto 4chan but I’m very familiar with the psyop cat
Ok I was shitting on this chick for acting cringe as fuck and like a barbarian doing their dance in parliament, but she can dance all she wants if she continues being this based.
Proponents of horseshoe theory argue that the far-left and the far-right are closer to each other than either is to the political center, which is where Anon was standing when he got hit in the head by a fucking horseshoe, giving him the brilliant idea to write this post.
Indigenous groups like the Maori and Mesoamericans will always be gemmy because we can always point to them for evidence/examples of great replacements in history.
Ayy yo this kinda makes sense ngl. I mean i tot the maoris were fucking clowns at first but hearing what anon has to say got me thinking. Rather live with a bunch of indigenous clowns you know then with a bunch of foreign clowns who are much more violent and less immigrated
GothaCritique@reddit
Them behaving like animals in parliament is something I'm willing to tolerate if it means they keep being based like this.
neomaniak@reddit
Being antivax is based now? That's sad.
Darth_Syphilisll@reddit
No being pro choice is based.
neomaniak@reddit
Not if your chouce put others at risk. That ain't based, that's dumb.
Darth_Syphilisll@reddit
Do you choose to walk around without a mask or do you still wear one?
skittlesdabawse@reddit
I wear one if I'm sick or have to be around someone who's sick for a while or in an enclosed space.
Darth_Syphilisll@reddit
But you can spread it for days before symptoms appear. Your choice puts people at riak
skittlesdabawse@reddit
Not really a choice not to wear one until symptoms appear. You're not really familiar with harm reduction as a xoncept are you?
Darth_Syphilisll@reddit
You can wear a mask 24/7 and you don't?
Darth_Syphilisll@reddit
Helloooo neomaniak, I'm wondering if you walk around with a mask or do you choose not to wear one even though you might have asymptomatic covid?
neomaniak@reddit
As a matter of fact i do.
Darth_Syphilisll@reddit
Lol no you don't
neomaniak@reddit
Well fuck you then, this discussion is over. Not gonna waste any more of my time trying to convince an antivax weirdo. Bye.
Darth_Syphilisll@reddit
OK dude I don't want to talk to someone who lies about wearing a mask 24/7
Darth_Syphilisll@reddit
Do you still walk around with a mask?
neomaniak@reddit
I'm not talking COVID, i'm talking antivax in general.
GothaCritique@reddit
I personally would take the vaccine. It's just that I support people's right to choose ("my body my choice"). Anyways, I was moreso calling them based for opposing Muslamics and Ns.
Real-AlGore@reddit
the thing is it was a PANDEMIC. if you have some kind of religious or other kind of objection that’s fine but then you shouldn’t be allowed in public places (at the height of the pandemic; it barely matters nowadays) the choice should be get vaccinated and mask up to stop the spread or stay the fuck at home. one of, if not the single biggest obstacle to handling the pandemic in america was “muh individuality” because it’s only “my body my choice” until you’re contributing the spread of a highly virulent pandemic
MindGoblin@reddit
Vaccines are deemed good by the establishment so anti-establishment clowns will of course say they are bad because they have no political position other than being opposed to the "establishment".
If the WHO came out tomorrow and said all vaccines are terrible for you all of these 65 IQ knuckle-dragging trogs would be lining up to get all the vaccines.
oh_mygawdd@reddit
Could you fucking imagine if native american senators and representatives did that in US congress lmaoo
Davy257@reddit
We would have to have native reps and senators for that to happen. Personally I think major reservations should have delegates the way the US territories and DC does, but since they technically have representation via their states reps and senators it’s an uphill battle
BrownieIsTrash2@reddit
Maybe they would if they werent all killed by the government already lol
unclechuff@reddit
There are over 7 million natives living in the US
Motor-Delivery-869@reddit
There were 10s or even hundreds of millions before
clown_pants@reddit
There were not hundreds of millions of natives in what is today the United States at any point, even the most generous estimates scholars give are just over 100 million.
Artharis@reddit
Never at a single point in history have there been 100 million native Americans simultaneously, even if you combine all of North and South America.
There had been only 350 million people in the year 1400, no shot more than 1/4th of the population lived in North/South America, a continent less developed than Africa. The natives were all nomads and very, very few practiced agriculture and those that did, didn't have the "good" stuff, they had maize and tomatoes, while the Inca had potatoes and barely cultivated them. They also didn't have good farm animals. No cows, no chickens, no sheep, no horses... The largest population centers were the Nahua and Maya people and they barely reached 10 million.
No, at most 15-30 million natives lived in both Americas at any given time.
What is possible is that overall 100 million native Americans died, over a span of 400 years.
XxBOOSIExFADExX@reddit
What horseshit
electricguitar146@reddit
There are still millions today, affectionately known as the Latinx community
Mesarthim1349@reddit
Couple million still around iirc
Comfortable_Newt5808@reddit
Too busy being drunk
Ok-Cress7340@reddit
And running their casinos
XHFFUGFOLIVFT@reddit
Elizabeth Warren, your time has come.
fishtankm29@reddit
Go watch a video of British parliament. They are worse by far.
clown_pants@reddit
You're about to catch a mean harrrrumph if you don't watch it
Matt_2504@reddit
British parliament is just a bunch of old men saying “mr speaker, the prime minister/leader of the opposition is… le bad” then his side cheers while the other boos
YomiUnleashed@reddit
Same thing here in Canada. One side asks leading questions and the or gives answers that ignore them.
amackul8@reddit
So WWE?
Winter_Low4661@reddit
Yes.
ComancheViper@reddit
Taiwanese Parliament is even better. Fist fights and shoving matches used to be par for the the course but it’s chilled out in recent years. In 2020 pig guts were thrown in parliament over a ban on US pork imports, and this May a dude snatched a bill by force and ran out before it could be signed.
rancidfart86@reddit
If only…
SaulGoodmanAAL@reddit
I'd pay good money to see that
Waffle_Duck_420@reddit
"Based" you're so lame lmao
wthoutwrning@reddit
We are animals
DokeyOakey@reddit
Yeah, nasty horrible animals.
Shroom-TheSelfAware@reddit
I’m actually a tasty and pleasant animal. I won’t speak for you, though.
DokeyOakey@reddit
I am awful.
Purple-ork-boyz@reddit
At least you taste good
DokeyOakey@reddit
Would you eat me, please?
Purple-ork-boyz@reddit
Yes, and before anyone is going to ask me, that’s also a yes.
DokeyOakey@reddit
…. uwu…..
ihatemalkoun@reddit
mmmm gimme gimme gimme
youreveningcoat@reddit
Haka is everywhere in New Zealand, it’s not inappropriate in the context of the country. The government was also founded with a signed partnership, so in a way it legally also has a place there.
Eoganachta@reddit
Came here to say this and agree.
For international readers, the haka and everything they did in Parliament was completely normal in NZ. It wasn't barbaric or savage - it was part of our shared national culture.
We have the haka at the start of rugby games, pōwhiri (official welcomes), we have competitions for haka, we teach haka at school and have different variations depending on the school and background. Our national anthem is sung both in English and Maori, our official signage is in both English and Maori. Numerous place names are Maori or we use the Maori equivalent interchangeably. Our country's founding document is the Treaty of Waitangi/Te Tiriti o Waitangi - which, despite having a messy history, places both British settlers (Pakeha) and Maori (tangata whenua) on equal footing in a partnership. That treaty hasn't always been honoured but there's been a big push over the last few decades to properly respect te Tiriti and rectify many past grievances - and this is what the current bill going through Parliament is threatening to completely fuck up. We're finally in a good ish point in race and indigenous relations in NZ and the current government is taking a sledgehammer to it. We're one of the few - or only - former British colonies that didn't completely fuck over the indigenous populations.
To put it in an American context, it'll be as if your declaration of independence and constitution was written and signed by the indigenous native American tribes as well as the colonies - only for the future government to renege again and again and then try to rewrite it to make it more appealing to the majority party.
Eleventeen-@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/s/HfiffTu6Rg
amackul8@reddit
Open the door
Get on the floor
Everybody do the Hakasaur
youreveningcoat@reddit
TheFireFlaamee@reddit
I might actually totally buy this. It does seem weird these Maoiri memes spread. Like who cares really.
But yeah- you fuck up the globalist mongorlization agenda they come after you.
ELITElewis123@reddit
can someone explain why 4chan hates vaccines? like why is them blocking vaccines a "based" thing for them to do?
I also love the "sharia no go zones" thing is still going like 12 years after Fox News put it out lol
Deus_Fucking_Vult@reddit
Do you not remember how non-vaccinated people were treated during the covid lockdowns?
COVID wasn't even around for a year (vaccines take at least 5 years to make), and suddenly we had all these vaccines being pushed, bribing us with free Krispy Kreme, free big Mac, etc. and telling us that we hate granny or something if we didn't get these vaccines. A lot of people were not "anti-vax" but rather just skeptical of these COVID vaccines, and they were ridiculed and shamed. So what was the natural response?
DM_ME_YOUR_HUSBANDO@reddit (OP)
Before covid, being anti-vaccine wasn't particularly politically polarized. If anything, it was leftish soccer moms who were mosty stereotypically anti-vaccine. During covid, stricter lockdown rules and vaccine mandates became associated with the left, and I think the right started hating vaccines just because the left was so in favour of them
Mitchel-256@reddit
There's also the part about an untested, experimental drug being rolled out, with many governments and companies forcing people to take it with no care for the potential personal and/or societal repercussions.
Makualax@reddit
That's why the untested experimental drug went directly to the rich elites and their families first. They were probs so skeptical of its effectiveness that they volunteered themselves to test it for side effects. How generous of them, so lucky that so few of them ended up experiencing those terrible side effects
Mitchel-256@reddit
Unless the rich elites are only saying they got it. But it's not like those greedy, conspiratorial cunts you hate so much would lie, would they?
john151M@reddit
Dude, vaccines make your immune system more prepared to face the disease, they don’t block it from entering your system. You get sick less and over it faster if you are vaccinated
Mitchel-256@reddit
But the COVID vaccine didn't strengthen people's immune system or keep them from getting sick.
When was the last time you had polio?
That vaccine works. The COVID vaccine doesn't.
Blarg_III@reddit
You can still get polio if you have the polio vaccine, it just lowers transmissiveness enough that the disease can't effectively spread through populations, and so eventually dies out because people get better at a rate faster than new people get it.
ThucydidesButthurt@reddit
it did actually, by a lot. Symptoms were much worse in unvaccinated compared to vaccinated. It was a huge sticking point early on becuase our ICUs were clogged with unvaccinated dipshits
Mitchel-256@reddit
"Early on" likely being pre-vaccine, as opposed to post-vaccine, when there were still plenty of vaccinated individuals coming into hospitals with serious symptoms.
Despite what one should expect from a vaccine.
ThucydidesButthurt@reddit
Early on as in right after the vaccine came out, the overwhelming people needing hospitalizations from Covid were unvaccinated. This was a trend noticed anecdotally and then confirmed later via admissions stats
Mitchel-256@reddit
But the COVID vaccine didn't strengthen people's immune system or keep them from getting sick.
When was the last time you had polio?
That vaccine works. The COVID vaccine doesn't.
DM_ME_YOUR_HUSBANDO@reddit (OP)
Right wing governments did that too
Mitchel-256@reddit
Tyranny exists on both sides of the line.
rancidfart86@reddit
The government is not letting me spread an illness that could horribly kill me or my relatives? Literally 1984
Mitchel-256@reddit
People choose to put themselves and their families at risk all the time, and vice versa, in numerous different circumstances without it being illegal behavior.
The government has no right to force you to receive injections of experimental drugs by guilt-tripping you with the well-being of your family.
Or is that "My body, my choice." shit just a show?
What other behaviors should the government actively prevent you from doing for the sake of your family? What else should they try to punish you with ruining your life for?
BlitzBasic@reddit
Did they "force" you or did they merely call you a shithead for not taking it? Because I don't remember anybody being immobilized and injected against their will.
Reux18@reddit
No they didn’t force you. They just didnt let you work, travel or participate in society
BlitzBasic@reddit
Yeah because you were a danger to those around you. Its not that different from banning smoking or drinking in certain public places, or requiring you to wear a seatbelt and have a licence when driving.
PrivacyPartner@reddit
Banning smoking may have been treated differently if it was "put this injection in your body to stop you from smoking against your will"
It's one thing to stop an activity in some areas, it's another to force someone to take something or else say they're banned from ALL activities within a society.
Mitchel-256@reddit
Then you need your memory checked.
BlitzBasic@reddit
Okay, then show me examples of people being forcefully vaccinated.
mods_are____@reddit
when did that happen?
Mitchel-256@reddit
During the COVID freakout.
Just look at Canada, Trudeau's administration went apeshit over COVID.
mods_are____@reddit
yeah but there were no "untested" "experimental" drugs used, idiot.
Mitchel-256@reddit
The COVID vaccine was indeed experimental, and if not untested, not nearly tested enough to know even the short-term effects. It rolled out before it was ready, due to politically-motivated expedition.
TheSonofPier@reddit
I thought it rolled out because we saw a relatively unknown virus fuckin decimate populations and we wanted that to stop happening
PrivacyPartner@reddit
It was, which basically breaks it down to
We have an unknown virus spreading through the globe so let's treat it with a somewhat unknown vaccine with unknown longterm side effects.
Based on the death rate of the virus and the rate of possible side effects, depending on how old you were, it literally came down to "pick your poison, friend"
Ok-Cress7340@reddit
For all we know it could give people cancer 20 years down the line. They didn’t have the time to test for all the possible effects
BlitzBasic@reddit
I don't think anybody would do medial research any more if they had to wait 20 years until they could actually sell a product.
JSM953@reddit
I mean there are also no indicators to say it would cause cancer it’s purely speculation, but what wasn’t speculative was the mass graves of dead Americans who died from Covid. I’m also of the opinion that vaccines are just so effective people just simply forgot what life was like without them.
Eleventeen-@reddit
Experimental? Yes. Untested? No.
HaxboyYT@reddit
Experimental implies that the vaccine was unfinished and didn’t undergo vigorous testing with human subjects before being doled out to the masses, which just isn’t true
porthishead@reddit
False. A Pfizer executive admitted under oath that the vaccine was not 100% effective at stopping transmission when they released it. It also had no long term data on potential side effects when it was released.
WeTheNinjas@reddit
Experimental? No
PrivacyPartner@reddit
Easier to just say "I don't know" tbh lol
fangpi2023@reddit
lmao USA in a nutshell
butthole_network@reddit
Like everything else, it started out as a joke, but anons are too regarded to keep up with that, so they started believing it instead.
poop-machines@reddit
Started as a joke a while ago, with the "vaccines cause autism" trend.
But the hate for the COVID vaccine is organic and genuine on the site.
Ironic, I know. It's come full circle. Maybe that's the "horseshoe theory" OP is talking about.
ihatemalkoun@reddit
vaccines DO cause autism look it up, do your research instead of what they tell you
tedmented@reddit
Which hospital or medical school did you do your research at? How was this research conducted? Was it peer reviewed? How long did your vaccine research take and how many subjects were in your trials?
Or are you just regurgitating buzzwords and phrases because you already read a few websites that agree with your already held belief and are classing that as research? All while having the cheek to tell others not to believe what they read? Away n take yer face for a shite.
ihatemalkoun@reddit
i did it at john hopskins with my fellow doctors. one of them is infact a reddit user named gorebello, a close personal friend. the vaccine research was done over the course of 6 years and had n=77 patients.
23 of the subjects developed severe cases of terminal autism while 44 of them developed asthma and fatness. the remaining 10 subjects put on their redditor t shirts and we had to put them down. unfortunatley jeff bezos, elon musk and bill nye the science guy and bill gates the computer guy walked in and said "good work boys, but thatlle be it " and then started fireblasting all our work and computers.around the corner i saw my john hopskins supervisor manager doctor wanking himself silly with wads of cash he had been handed as he yelled "it doesnt cause autism abort abort study hehehhrhehe"
no but seriously, gorebello really changed my mind on vax autism. ask him
Kirbz_-@reddit
The schizophrenia is strong with this one
ihatemalkoun@reddit
make fun of me all you want wont change facts facts dont care about feelings
Kirbz_-@reddit
Are these facts in the room with us right now? Pull em out lil bro
ihatemalkoun@reddit
MMR & Autism: Unraveling the Myth King County (.gov) https://kingcounty.gov › health › MMR-autism-facts
Why do we give our children vaccines? Do vaccines cause ... Quora https://www.quora.com › Why-do-we-give-our-childre...
Straight Talk about Vaccination Scientific American https://www.scientificamerican.com › article › straight-tal...
Opinions on whether vaccines cause autism U.S. 2024 Statista https://www.statista.com › ... › State of Health
Do vaccines cause autism? VaccinesToday https://www.vaccinestoday.eu › FAQ
Monkey2371@reddit
None of those agree with you. The King County, Scientific American, and Vaccines Today ones all say vaccines don't cause autism. Quora is not a source, I'm not even going to bother looking at it. And the Statista one is opinions of random people which also shows only a tiny percentage of people even believe the myth.
Also you know it is possible to paste a full link rather than just the website.
ihatemalkoun@reddit
they all agree with me and qoura is a more reputable source than leftist propaganda cnn. statista clearly agrees with me too. im a smart guy, i knownbetter than u i graduated top of my class in college
Kirbz_-@reddit
If vaccines really do cause autism this guy must’ve definitely got all the boosters
Monkey2371@reddit
Bro listen to yourself
ihatemalkoun@reddit
they were kept secret by the evil people who control the world, you DO RESEARCH INSTEAD OF BEING WILLFULLY BLIND LIKE SHEOPLE
bermass86@reddit
Weren’t you hospitalized for “psychotic depression” while having ocd and adhd? Yeah not listening to you no offense
SoupaMayo@reddit
[ citation needed ]
Bobyyyyyyyghyh@reddit
🗣️
Kroisoh@reddit
Start of outbreak, "Please stay home and let the vaccine be developed. Also, a vaccine's side effect and true effectiveness would take some time, as long as 5 years or more."
When vaccines are out, the vaccine just works and you dare not question whether there are side-effects.
I could understand special circumstances require expedient measures. But just outright banning the discussion of the reliableness of a scientific development is counter-intuitive and you cannot expect people to not push back.
A significant portion of people do hold the view that "People should be allowed to question a theory or narrative, even if in the end it proves the deniers or doubters wrong."
Just like how people push back against parents telling them to get higher education, the idea generally benefits them in their life but how many people do follow through the narrative/idea. Some do succeed in life and a lot fail, but that is the freedom of human choice. You just can't force it.
Soleil06@reddit
Considering who exactly was discussing the reliableness of the Vaccines I feel pretty safe to disregard their opinions in exchange for people who have spent their whole lifes researching and studying Vaccines and Viruses.
Lets just face it like it is, the Covid pandemic was used by many populist parties to push a political agenda, it had nothing to do with them truly not believing in Vaccines.
And as an ICU nurse who never had worse times in their life I could not hate them more for it.
Kroisoh@reddit
Considering the fact that my school was labelled the mill of doctors (I am not one of them, I work in law) and half of the doctor friends I know do question the vaccines' potential side-effects, pulling rank is never the best way to handle these topics.
Also, just because you devoted your whole life in research and development, it does not automatically render your opinion a decree of truth that is unchallengable. Whether you or I feel safe or not is very irrelevant when you are talking about whether a person is allowed to question a theory or even a fact.
The vaccine issue does get drawn into the political agenda and complicated the whole discussion. It is disappointing that a significant amount of people do blindly accept or reject the vaccine simply because your opponent holds the opposite stance.
ThucydidesButthurt@reddit
I'm a doctor and so are 90% of my friends, across the country. We have one single friend among us who was anti covid vaccine. Overwhelming majority of docs were fine with it lol. The moral high grounding around it was obnoxious but still not as annoying as the Joe Rogan and 4chan anons obsessed with thinking the "jab" was anything more sinister than a run of the mill vaccine. It really took away from how much of an achievement it was to get it developed in the first place
Kroisoh@reddit
Anti and concerned/question are two different stances. I just feel like we are going on different tangents since the start.
The problem is still that often any concerns about long term side effects are just brushed off and categorized as pure deniers is what made people unable to talk about it at all.
If anything, it just continues to prove my point that no one is willing to accept that the concern of long term (possible) side effects is just not addressed with. The proof of short term and immediate effectiveness is never an answer to the question towards the long term possible consequences.
Also, what does the achievement of a fast development really brings to the table about this issue? What it tells is that there is not enough time for people (and it was practically impossible too) to long into potential long term effects. Chlorofluorocarbons were considered great cooling agents but how long did it take until people find it harmful to the ozone layer? 60 years.
And if anything that was proven recently, it is the moral high ground (justified and unjustified) that is far more obnoxious for the general Walmart Americans. You can disregard their opinion, but the overflow of in-patients will just continue to be an indirect consequence of your disdain towards them and not getting the point across to them.
Soleil06@reddit
Considering that I am working in a medical setting for over 12 years as a nurse and am currently studying medicine I am gonna call cap on your first point. No one ever said you should not challenge medications and vaccines but you also gotta accept when maybe the evidence overwhelmingly points into one direction.
all_time_high@reddit
Bingo. I remember in 2015 when anons decided to throw massive support behind Trump “for the lulz”. Making pro-Trump memes, spreading them everywhere. It was coordinated.
Now adoring Trump is standard /b/ behavior.
I still wonder if this was a deliberate effort by a group who wanted to see it happen.
pjd252@reddit
The right aren’t smart - either they’re deliberately dumb or just have perma troll face and don’t read scientific theory
Or tHeY doNtT tRuSt iT
Either way it’s cos they’re thick
Mysterious_Lab_9043@reddit
Like left. It's hilarious seeing two sides accusing each other being dumb, while most of them are just dumb.
pjd252@reddit
Except nobody of any talent or intelligence actually votes rightwing - it’s a hellscape and people should be sectioned who do it
Mysterious_Lab_9043@reddit
Ehhh, really depends on your sample.
I mean, you're not too different from who you criticize. "They are all bad, we are good." attitude, which is kind of bigoted.
pjd252@reddit
I don’t care anymore - the right make me sick
Call it bigoted call it facist but we’d be better off without you
SoupaMayo@reddit
So you're agree that your opinion is based on nothing
pjd252@reddit
It’s based on the rhetoric and the arguments I see from righties - pathetic people with pathetic views on life
SoupaMayo@reddit
Given by your previous comments, you mus be a righty then
Mysterious_Lab_9043@reddit
What do you mean by you?
pjd252@reddit
Anyone who doesn’t support free healthcare and education
Mysterious_Lab_9043@reddit
Why did you include me though, without even knowing me? You're dumber than I thought, making assumptions here and there. "You're with us, or with them", classic herd mindset. Both left-wing and right-wing suffer from polarized people like you.
pjd252@reddit
Good - we need to polarise - it’s not shades of grey
Mysterious_Lab_9043@reddit
For dumb people, yeah, of course. That's simpler for them to comprehend.
JigsawLV@reddit
"they are le bad, we are le good" Are you sure you have any signs of intelligence yourself?
ElSapio@reddit
Remember, vaccines are totally safe. Except the JnJ vaccine, which was granted Emergency Use Authorization before they realized it would literally kill people.
PrivacyPartner@reddit
Regular vaccines they're fine with. The covid vaccines they didn't agree with because they believe the data supporting the efficacy of them was cherry picked and all dissenting voices were silenced for being "misinformation" whether in the form of cancelation, banning from social medias, or losing medical licenses.
This, combined with the idea of a covid vaccine passport, mandates and lockdowns, and the goalpost for "fully vaccinated," is being moved from 2 shots to 2 shots+1 booster to 2 shots+2 boosters, etc. Only fueled conspiracies about covid vaccines, which made them hate then as a whole even more.
It's a mainly questioning authority but also some legitimate concerns with government basically putting the cart before the horse regarding a vaccine that had not been tested in the wider population.
FesteringAnalFissure@reddit
Vax thing wasn't a big issue before the rona. Anons became squarely against the mRNA vax rollout though because it was practically untested in the general population, new type of experimental vaccine and all that. They turned out to be right (cardiac problems in people that didn't have them before) and they turned out to be wrong (people's brains didnt turn into mush). Long term, we're gonna have to see.
Acacias2001@reddit
Source for the first claim?
zxcasd17@reddit
There isnt one, he is simply miss understanding the statistics. There was/is an increased risk, however Covid also has an increased risk. And covid has a much higher risk than the vaccine. The big thing people forget here is that this was massively influenced by different sources of fake news and russian propaganda. Misinformation was almost at an all time peak during the covid years and it’s sad to see how much the 4chinnera in here fell for it
BagOfShenanigans@reddit
Something I don't see discussed - likely because people who are anti-vaccine are usually anti-all-vaccines - is how the non mRNA vaccines, Johnson and Johnson mainly, were specifically targeted with bad press early on. "It gives one in a million women blood clots!" And "The efficacy is lower!" Ignoring that one in a million is hilariously within the margin of error, and the efficacy was lower because the vaccine was tested during the peak of one of the COVID waves instead of during a valley like Pfizer and Moderna were.
My university even made the decision to not count the Johnson & Johnson vaccine towards your vaccination/booster status. They forced everybody who wasn't grandfathered in to get a Moderna or Pfizer shot or be disenrolled. I highly doubt this was isolated and led to way more people getting the mRNA shots.
I find it really hard to believe that these were all natural occurrences, and so my personal conspiracy theory on the matter is that there was an intentional misinformation campaign against non-mRNA vaccines to keep untested gene therapy drugs from seeming unsafe.
happyunicorn666@reddit
Meanwhile my university professor made a pause during molecular biology lesson to advise us to take non-mRNA vaccines if we are going to take any at all.
Winter_Low4661@reddit
People's brains can't turn into mush if they were mush to begin with.
throwawaylord@reddit
Anything that's State mandatory is fundamentally evil. Mandatory actions enforced by violence are evil
BlitzBasic@reddit
Have you ever heard the term "monopoly of violence"?
Snozzberriez@reddit
Not to mention part of the vaccine thing was RFK jr and as a result 80 kids died from preventable disease like measles. It’s all ridiculous. We know vaccines work. We know they don’t actually cause autism. We also have majority of people on Earth ready to believe powerful rich people because they can’t be assed to learn anything themselves. Other than what right wing talking heads tell them.
NoAdvantage8384@reddit
"We also have majority of people on Earth ready to believe powerful rich people because they can’t be assed to learn anything themselves."
Are you talking about the anti-vaxxers that listen to talking heads on fox? Or the pro-vaxxers that get their info about drugs from massive unethical pharmaceutical companies that get paid to sell you drugs?
Snozzberriez@reddit
One leads to children dying and one leads to paying greedy men, but saves children. I guess take your pick? Plenty of other instituons are bending us over a barrel. Name an industry and you can figure out they’re fking you. I can’t think of an industry without problems, because the problem is usually the assholes involved.
For every American insulin shot sold at ludicrous prices there’s a Canadian getting it for cheap. So I guess insulin production is evil and we shouldn’t indulge them… they’re just as bad as anti vax! /s
Both are driven by greed (grifters always have the magic alternative to the vaccines like ivermectin, supplements, or diluted bleach products). Greed isn’t good, but if my choice comes down to get a vaccine from my pharmacy or actively contribute to child (and at risk populations) mortality.
Kind of a clear pick for me.
NoAdvantage8384@reddit
When you say one leads to children dying are you talking about the pharmaceutical companies testing drugs on and killing third world children? Because I agree that that's wrong. And do you not think that supporting the world's largest drug pushers and manufacturers of the current opioid epidemic contributes to mortality rates? I agree that there are lots of evil industries but there aren't too many that actually kill people for money like big pharma does.
ihatemalkoun@reddit
i cant imagine how annoying you must be to talk with irl
Snozzberriez@reddit
Um… alcohol, coal mining, smoking, vaping, fast food, chemical production, fracking, industrial farming (pesticides and run off), processed foods to a degree, and assisted living facilities come to mind. Different speeds of killing you than whatever tests you’re referencing (can you link current examples of testing on third world children killing then? Am familiar with stuff like Tuskegee syphilis studies but what are you referencing other than generalities?).
JessHorserage@reddit
It fails the 35 year old rule, within a degree.
inconsiderateapple@reddit
Because "toxins" & "microchips" even though they eat processed foods and carry and use literal GPS devices w/2 way vocal & video communications 24/7.
General_Insomnia@reddit
I was under the impression most people cook their food.
Zesty-Lem0n@reddit
The steelman is a moral question of what the cost of freedom should be. Some people would rather the entire country get covid and probably kill the entire older generation, bc their rights "shall not be infringed". Other people think we ought to make exceptions to freedom if it saves the lives of millions of people. It's a values issue, it boils down to your personal axioms.
BagOfShenanigans@reddit
Anon doesn't need to be anti vaccine to have made this post. It's possible to simply say "this group is mad that this other group didn't get the vaccines because it hurts the incestuous profit driven relationship between pharma, finance, and politics, and (more importantly) because it indicates a unified group resistance."
It would be especially bad because the Maori, being a canonically protected indigenous group, are otherwise impossible to target. If the Maori are "bad guys" then that must make Anglos who colonized them "good" which breaks the rules.
BeautifulShoulder302@reddit
cujoe88@reddit
I'm not on 4chan, but I'm not about the government forcing me to take an experimental drug.
liqamadik@reddit
vaccine mandates. forcing people to take your experimental medicine was the original goyslop.
mactakeda@reddit
Dedicated left wing spaces were incredibly pro-vaccine and were unbelievably cringe in posting soy face selfies and Facebook frames bragging about getting their vaccines and booster shots.
MyDogIsDaBest@reddit
Because it kills off simple minded, easy to manipulate genetic dead ends.
I was stunned when our govt gave us a breakdown of vaccine rates by ethnicity.
The mass immigration thing isn't something I'm aware of, but if true, pretty based. I can believe it, a lot of Maori people are pretty socially-acceptable-racist, where they're racist and say blatantly racist things, but they're Maori so get a pass.
-TehTJ-@reddit
Because needles are scary
Deus_Fucking_Vult@reddit
Damn, based
Borgorb@reddit
the current government is not pro immigration, its a three way conservative coalition
Bobocannon@reddit
'Conservative'.
You mean neo-liberal. National has a long history of selling NZ up the river and de-regulating foreign buying in NZ while giving tax breaks to the wealthiest groups in NZ.
The_Knife_Pie@reddit
So, they’re conservatives.
Bobocannon@reddit
They're not the same thing if your frame of reference isn't exclusively US politics.
Conservatives are traditional and don't like change. They're generally nationalistic, anti-globalisation, and believe in small government unless that government is being used to maintain the status quo. They overlap in economic deregulation, but neo-liberals don't give a shit about anything, are pro-globalisation, want everything deregulated and privatised, and will happily sell off the country and its assets wholesale.
The_Knife_Pie@reddit
I implore you to find a major conservative party in a European nation that doesn’t fit most or all of the traits you listed. Conservative parties are anti-worker, pro-privatisation and selling the country out to private interests. I live in Europe and this is universally true across the EU.
Bobocannon@reddit
EU you say?
Italy's current ruling party is a Nationalist-Conservative party.
The_Knife_Pie@reddit
Firstly, no one but the Fdl thinks they are a proper conservative party. The rest of us call them right wing populists, neo-fascists or, if you’re halfway to being on their side, occasionally nationalists with a conservative tint. Secondly, they absolutely still do the shit you say are hallmarks of neo-liberals (conservatives). Their policies have promoted tax evasion, removed regulation on health and safety and cracked down on free protest.
Conservatism and your idea of neo-liberalism are synonymous.
Bobocannon@reddit
Yawn.
>Party is far-right, post fascist.
>Party is engaged in nationalistic, protectionist, pro-intervention economic policy.
>Party is sovranismo, anti-immigration, and anti globalisation, swinging from being eurosceptic to mildly EU neutral.
>Party is openly conservative on social issues including being pro natalism, pro-traditional family, and anti-LGBT
>HURR THEY'RE THE SAME AS THE PRO GLOBALISATION, PRO IMMIGRATION, SOCIALLY LIBERAL PARTIES BECAUSE OF INTRA-NATIONAL DEREGULATION.
>EVERY PARTY RIGHT OF WHAT I LIKE IS A CONSERVATIVE.
Fucking. Yawn.
Borgorb@reddit
Yeah conservative probably isn't the right word but it's the most far right wing you get here with Act/National, Winston Peter's is just along for the ride but has been famously anti immigration for a long time
Bobocannon@reddit
I think NZF/Uncle Winnie is probably the closest we have to a 'true' conservative.
SalvationSycamore@reddit
Who is shitting on the Maori? Reddit is supposedly the biggest most far-left circlejerk echochamber yet all I see are people posting "Ooh haka so cool"
AmperDon@reddit
Well, if you live in New Zealand, some people who are already racist don't like them. Honestly, they are a bit odd sometimes, but most are pretty chill. Just don't piss them off, or you will actually see stars with how hard they'll hit you since they're all built like tanks.
Baswdc@reddit
Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen a smallish Pacific Islander. Is it a genetic thing or a diet thing, or something else?
TroxEst@reddit
The answer is Eugenics since the 1400's
Real-AlGore@reddit
can you explain? was it because you either were a successful sailor and survivalist or else you died, or is there a more intentional history to it?
Grixxitt@reddit
My Tongan besty credits a type of sweet potato for their bulk. Not sure if its true though
https://www.tasteatlas.com/ufi-lei
AmperDon@reddit
Genetic. Like how asians are shorter on average.
bon_sequitur@reddit
If you count the Philippines, that breaks that stereotype
Klutzy-Film8298@reddit
kind of both
Gravesh@reddit
The secret to calming Maori is by cooking the man some fooking eigs!
the_stanimoron@reddit
Yozzaaa!
Kroisoh@reddit
Maroti have the rights for sure.
But the overlapping problem which is also what people are shitting on is:
Cool people performs Haka: goes hard
Gen Z Politician performs Haka: Haka Tuah
ollieread@reddit
There aren’t sharia no go zones in the UK or Muslim riots, what the fuck are they talking about?
gbuub@reddit
wacco-zaco-tobacco@reddit
This is all false, because of course it is. It's 4chan.
The vaccines mandates weren't stopped by only Māori, their were several protests that aided in stopping the mandates. The biggest one happend in Wellington where around 3000 at peak protested against lockdowns and mandates.
These mandates stopped people from working, which affected basically everything in their life.
In fact, the reason many Māori didn't get vaccinated wasn't because of them not wanting it. It was because the vaccine rollouts focused more on regions and age ranges that favoured NZ-europeans (Pakeha), either intentionally or not.
With immigration, NZ is very easy to immigrate to. While the current party, National, are attempting to make it more difficult to immigrate, I believe NZ is one of the easiest countries to immigrate to.
The issue is that, a lot of middle eastern and Asian people who do immigrate to NZ don't intend to live here but instead buy houses or move to Aussie when available to them. Compared to NZ, Aussie is like a jail when you immigrate from outside NZ, and is very hard to get a visa. However, NZ and Aussie have a partnership where NZ residents and Aussie residents can move and live in each other's countrys without a visa, as our passports are "permanent visas" in this instance.
Māori are actually mutual on immigration and neither dislike or like it. It's mainly up the individual, like most things.
This is just a weird way of trying to make Māori look cool and based. But they don't need that, they bloody won a war against the British at a time where they were still one of the biggest powers in the world, and basically forced the British to sign a treaty. Our whole culture in centered around Māori culture, their already based.
TrulyTurdFerguson@reddit
You missed out the false narrative of Sharia-no-go zones and regular Muslim riots in the UK, neither of which exist.
wacco-zaco-tobacco@reddit
?? What are you on about?
TrulyTurdFerguson@reddit
They’re both points raised in the greentext that are also completely false
wacco-zaco-tobacco@reddit
Oh yea I see now. Thanks, man that geeentext is dumb. I grew up in NZ and lived there for 25 and I never heard of that shit
Bobocannon@reddit
>they bloody won a war against the British at a time where they were still one of the biggest powers in the world, and basically forced the British to sign a treaty
What. If you're talking about the Treaty of Waitangi that is 100% not what happened. The treaty was proposed by Maori to the British because they wanted protection from the French who were also eyeing up the country as a colony.
The treaty was signed in 1840. The NZ wars started 5-6 years later.
'Won' a war? Sure, they won some decent battles here and there and fought amazingly for their underdog status, but their casualty rate was about 10x higher than the British, and the Iwi/Hapu that fought against the crown lost pretty substantial amounts of land (\~1million hectares) because of it.
Fleeing-Goose@reddit
To add a extra angle, there were some in the colonial office who were worried that without formal legal status like a treaty the Maori would meet a similar fate to the Australian Aborigines.
Blarg_III@reddit
That moment when literal 1800s colonial vampires have better opinions on Aboriginies than modern Australian conservatives.
Fleeing-Goose@reddit
People groups are complicated?
But yes, indeed.
Artharis@reddit
Yes it was intentional, afterall it makes sense to vaccinate the older people first, and white people just stopped having as many babies so disproportionally a lot more older white people exist and far fewer younger ones. Younger demographics tend to be full of minorities, such as Maori.
Likewise it also makes sense to vaccinate people in urban areas first, i.e. regions where the virus actually spreads very quickly. It makes zero sense to vaccinate some rural isolated village first where the virus may not even spread at all. And as a matter of fact, Maori tend to live in rural areas, white people in more urban ones.
Phrasing it like that, intentionally or not, creates the impression of malice, systemic racism or conspiratorial thinking, ranging from racist genocide to covid-q-anon type theories. When the actual answer is that it makes sense to vaccinate the most vulnerable people first, i.e. older people & those in urban areas.
Well that's just not true.
The british won. That's why New Zealand was a british colony, why white people are the majority and maori a minority.
The Treaty of Waitangi was signed because that's how Europeans got colonies in the first place, protection treaties/unequal treaties. Almost every single European colony in the 19th century was established through a treaty and the Europeans build upon that to encroach and gain more influence and power in a region.
The Treaty was also signed BEFORE the wars. First New Zealand became a colony, then the British bought land, then several years later minor Maori resistance against their colonial overlord started and 1 more decade later the Maori actually fought in a united front against the british, but they still lost. About double the amount of Maori died than British, and the casualties are still very low : \~2000 dead Maoris, \~800 dead British.
TwoDogsBarking@reddit
Nice fact check but a few things need small clarification.
Older Māori are mostly against immigration. That's who voted for Winnie and NZF and Shane Jones back in the day.
There was some vaccine resistence in the North. You can see a vocal minority of Māori supporting Brian Tamaki in part due to his anti vaccine and anti immigration stances.
The treaty occured before almost all battles with the British. But you're right that Māori had the power in 1840 and the British were compelled. That's part of what makes this new bill so treacherous.
Ofiotaurus@reddit
Maori are already based and cool. I don't need 4chan shiczoposting telling me obvious things.
the_stanimoron@reddit
Sending aroha™️
Eagle1IsMyGF@reddit
Imma need sauce for that, this sounds like schizoposting to me
Bozzo2526@reddit
Kiwi here, it's the biggest load of horse shit
Foxehh4@reddit
Good lol - antivaxxers are braindamaged.
Beneficial_Pear9705@reddit
what?
CompactAvocado@reddit
I struggle with the globalist agenda. Like how does skyrocketing rapes and crime in your country benefit you in any way?
DM_ME_YOUR_HUSBANDO@reddit (OP)
I think Europe is really bad at integrating immigrants, the Americas and Oceania don't have that problem
MINERVA________@reddit
WHERE IS THE CAT
ALL MY HOMIES HATE GREENTEXT MOD TEAM
DM_ME_YOUR_HUSBANDO@reddit (OP)
What?
Azzcrakbandit@reddit
Probably something only 4channers on reddit understand.
simatrawastaken@reddit
How the fuck are you a top 5% commenter without knowing about psyop cat
saltyboi6704@reddit
Clearly has been on Reddit for too long
SleepingDragons57@reddit
No because it was on literally EVERY post on this sub up until just a month or two ago when it got banned. I have never touched foot onto 4chan but I’m very familiar with the psyop cat
megastud69420@reddit
Wait why did it get banned?? What the actual fuck is wrong with reddit mods dude
saltyboi6704@reddit
🔁
Azzcrakbandit@reddit
Go back to 4chan scrub lord
snackynorph@reddit
poop-machines@reddit
Woah it's evolved.
JackfruitComplex8856@reddit
Can confirm, this is complete bullshit
MrMangobrick@reddit
Is any of this even real?
AmperDon@reddit
I live in nz, its really not man.
MrMangobrick@reddit
Yeah, I assumed so, I just wanted confirmation
manicforlive@reddit
No.
And if it was? There is nothing some from reddit could do to change or cares enough to do.
Jesus-our-savior@reddit
Never seen a sharia no go zone in Europe…
thick305@reddit
Ok I was shitting on this chick for acting cringe as fuck and like a barbarian doing their dance in parliament, but she can dance all she wants if she continues being this based.
menacing_earthworks@reddit
Both of these things are lies bro I live in NZ, don't get your goddamn news off 4chan
qtquazar@reddit
From Wikipedia:
Proponents of horseshoe theory argue that the far-left and the far-right are closer to each other than either is to the political center, which is where Anon was standing when he got hit in the head by a fucking horseshoe, giving him the brilliant idea to write this post.
MommyMilkersPIs@reddit
Anon lies and gets beat by his parents
Aft3rl1fe35@reddit
wtf I love Maori now ...
Patroklus42@reddit
If I told you none of this was true, would you go back to hating them?
larry-arthauer@reddit
I hoped this would redeem them and their cringe ass dances
I guess cannibals are bad now.
Patroklus42@reddit
Seems like you might just be gullible
jyu8888@reddit
why would anyone want refugees tho
Qsuki@reddit
Bruh
yaboyisonhere@reddit
NZ has a population of 4 million there is no way anyone there would advocate for 2 million immigrants
Boi shut yo ass up
SaltyBigBoi@reddit
Based?
FoxCQC@reddit
At first I thought they were silly but after watching it a few times I felt they were based. This confirms it.
encrustingXacro@reddit
Indigenous groups like the Maori and Mesoamericans will always be gemmy because we can always point to them for evidence/examples of great replacements in history.
mischling2543@reddit
I feel like this is untrue
tokcliff@reddit
Ayy yo this kinda makes sense ngl. I mean i tot the maoris were fucking clowns at first but hearing what anon has to say got me thinking. Rather live with a bunch of indigenous clowns you know then with a bunch of foreign clowns who are much more violent and less immigrated
Damn maoris are based.
Angry_Robot@reddit
Okay, fine, I’ll marry her and convert to Māori.
ConstanteConstipatie@reddit
I doubt it