I applied to almost all regional airlines listed on Airline Apps.com almost a year ago. I’ve updated my app every two weeks w/ hours and I’ve been at minimums now for a year. I haven’t heard back from any of them. Is this normal?
Posted by Pilot_sky_life508@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 153 comments
Any input is appreciated. Is it normal to not hear anything from any of them? The only thing I got was a survey to fill out for SkyWest. I get that the airlines have been on a hiring pause, but has silence been everyone else’s experience?
InGeorgeWeTrust_@reddit
You should at least be getting a tbnt or an automated response.
Update them once a month, 2 weeks is a bit excessive.
Check your times, if you aren’t at the minimum required on airline apps for each category, they don’t even see your app. Same goes for any other requirement the airline sets on airline apps.
Pilot_sky_life508@reddit (OP)
I’m getting the automated email that says we received your app, but nothing beyond that
InGeorgeWeTrust_@reddit
I mean that’s normal when they’re not interested in you. There’s really nothing else you can do except make sure your app is formatted and spelt right.
Interanal_Exam@reddit
"extra circulars" lol
Recent-Ingenuity-647@reddit
It’s as good as “spelt”
InGeorgeWeTrust_@reddit
Close enough lmao
HydroWalker@reddit
Volunteering shows a community spirit and is Piloting employment basics 101, of getting a job if you ask me.
LibrarianUsed4126@reddit
I have put out two videos so far on topics you can talk about if you get an interview with a corporate flight department. Look them up at Capt. Robert “That Guy” Riter under the Flight Club videos on YouTube. The airlines never seemed to work out for me. The 30 years in corporate aviation were amazing! Flying a King Air in the dirt at the farms in Mexico! There are so many other interesting jobs than the airlines! God Bless!
LibrarianUsed4126@reddit
Shift your focus to corporate flight departments. That is where most of the jobs are located. If you can get a job pumping Jet A at one of the big FBO’s. That is the best way to meet the Captains that can hire you.
Rare_Product_6687@reddit
You are at hiring minimums and the majors have all paused hiring… and you are confused why you haven’t gotten called.
Hmmm I wonder why
abualyo7@reddit
I’m currently in PSA class. Our class is around 34 pilots. The class before us were about 6 pilots and the class after us around 11. Be patient my friend, the hiring demand will be better soon. I understand how you feeling now. I had the same feeling couple months ago.
Future_Lifeguard3450@reddit
What is the makeup of your class: cadets, direct entry captains, off the street hires?
Sspmd11@reddit
Economy is very uncertain going into 2025.
Electronic-Smell-951@reddit
Conference season is also around the corner. NGPA, WAI, etc. You can volunteer at those events as well. I’m surprised no one in this thread really talked about giving back. EAA Young Eagles also a good place to volunteer. This will make your resume stand out to recruiters as well.
Conscious-Mission-23@reddit
Reach out to recruiters on LinkedIn or search for their email. I've done this and have been told my application has been received and on file, but due to the hiring slow down they aren't really reviewing any outside high time FOs, direct entry captains, or cadets. So not getting a TBNT is a good thing, your still a potential candidate they just haven't been pulling applications. I'm assuming the first half of next year will be an influx of interviews. Also check individual websites and see if there is an application on the company website, never hurts to fill out their forms and submit.
oranges1cle@reddit
If you’re not already in cadet program then you most likely won’t find a job until hiring improves or you get lucky.
This is another classic case of “don’t take advice from internet strangers.” Two years ago everybody on this subreddit was anti-cadet programs. Fast forward to today, many airlines are hiring exclusively from within their cadet programs. MIND YOU, there were zero downsides to joining as many cadet programs as possible considering they didn’t expect any commitment in return.
Thank fucking god I didn’t listen to the doughnuts on this subreddit who constantly spew their anti-141 anti-cadet bullshit. You did a disservice to the scores of pilots who mistakenly took your uninformed advice. Idiots.
Fireguy69420@reddit
This, I took the initiative to join as many cadet programs as I could (Though I don't quite know the difference between AA Cadent and PSA/Piedmont/Envoy Cadet program they all seem one and the same. The only ones I didn't rly have interest in was the AViate academy. Once I get to my Comm, I'm gonna apply for DL Propel/Endeavor Cadets, and Skw Cadet
Anthem00@reddit
dont forget the religiousness of people who were already hired - of advising to NEVER go to a regional with a contract (Skywest/Republic). . .. Now, I wonder how many of those that took it were glad they did, and how many that refused to sign, or refused to commit to it - are regretting that decision. . . .
Fritzy421@reddit
I signed and couldn’t be happier. I went from driving 2 hours a day to my CFI job making 30k to making 100k flying a jet. I got incredibly lucky to have even been offered a job in the climate that we are in right now, but I went against the advice of everyone on this subreddit and it paid off big time.
Logical_Check2@reddit
I signed it too. I'm 36 years old and I got bills to pay. A bird in the hand...
Brickyard-175@reddit
Signed it when it first came out because my fam would have killed me if I’d passed on a six-figure job.
Now I have about 1,000 SIC turbine and I, and a lot of my friends here, are preparing to move to the left seat. And we’ll be hiring two new fos for each one of us upgrading!
Really, really happy with my decision
NuttPunch@reddit
Regionals are a pretty solid job now. They work and abuse you (not as much as the days of DME arcs in a turboprop) but still you are getting decent compensation and some time off. The only thing commonly lacking in their contracts is retirement for those low in seniority.
Brickyard-175@reddit
Yep, it’s really not that terrible. I have flown with quite a few captains that are young but are staying or considering staying.
The retirement isn’t as great, especially for new hires. But, if you live in base, it’s a great place to land.
NuttPunch@reddit
If they are young they are crazy for staying. Any jump up is still far better than regionals.
Brickyard-175@reddit
If they’re happy they’re happy
NuttPunch@reddit
The Compass lifers were happy I’m sure until the doors locked on them. With the exception of maybe Republic and Skywest, regionals are in a constant position of precarious stability. Also 401k compounds, happiness has nothing to do with that. Get out of the regionals.
Brickyard-175@reddit
So were TWA, Continental etcetera. Just because you’re at a legacy or major it doesn’t mean you’re perfectly safe.
Happiness to you is money, don’t presume to tell others what they need to be happy
NuttPunch@reddit
Well the continental and TWA guys all merged into other legacies. They did fine. Regional guys get kicked to the curb. But sure, be happy. Sounds like this is personal cope to me.
Brickyard-175@reddit
I bet you’re fun at parties
I don’t understand why you care so much about captains you’ve never met making decisions about their lives. Not everyone cares what you think.
Will I stay? I sure as heck hope not, but I’m also not dumping on guys for making their own decision to stay.
But do you
NuttPunch@reddit
I have no problem with people staying. It just makes no sense given the business model of regionals. Guess I was right though, you’re coping.
Brickyard-175@reddit
Huh? You absolutely have a problem with people staying, you’ve made multiple posts about why their decision is “wrong”
And, you can’t comprehend what you read because I’m def not planning on staying so I’m not coping
Or, maybe you don’t know what coping is
Either way, I’ve said what I had to say
Buhbye
NuttPunch@reddit
It’s wrong because it’s a mistake if they’re young and they can leave. It makes zero sense from a quality of life and financial standpoint.
bitjockey9@reddit
Love this. SO much negativity in this sub, thanks for posting a W.
Brickyard-175@reddit
Thanks!
I think it’s going to be a win for a lot more cfis as we continue to upgrade fos and hire two new people (one to replace the upgrade and another to fly with the upgrading pilot). Should be a busy time.
NuttPunch@reddit
I'm also a big proponent of signing those contracts if it's the best deal for you now and then finding a way to break it or pay it off later. I have heard of pilots using legal help to get out of these contracts with only minimal repayment.
Anthem00@reddit
good on you guys and the other few for doing what was right for you (and more than likely being the right choice in the long run. I'm sure you guys were eviscerated in here for the people who didnt want you to sign it because they didnt like the idea of "contracts". In the end - its almost assuredly the right decision unless things change overnight (which they dont appear to be doing).
Runway23R@reddit
The first people who signed the contracts have now been airline pilots for a year and are upgrading to captain.
They will be making 150k and logging 121 PIC. The people who read this subreddit and decided to never apply to republic because of the contract are likely still sitting on the sidelines waiting for an interview anywhere (and will prob still have to sign a contract eventually)
Anthem00@reddit
and dont forget the people who actually got the job offer and chose not to go and made a "statement" about it. Thinking there were other options which rapidly disappeared in to thin air. It was just an unfortunate situation of people listening to others that werent in their position that had their own interests in mind and not the people who were trying to get in.
swakid8@reddit
Those contracts weren’t around for an entire year…..
Anthem00@reddit
they absolutely were. I see my comments on this are over a year old. . .
Brickyard-175@reddit
Uh yeah they were.
And, now me and a lot of my friends are about to upgrade
Runway23R@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/s/5LJAAIwTtC
There’s a post from one year ago complaining about the contract…
PlanktonDynamics@reddit
Thanks for saying this. I fell into the “no cadet program” trap bullshit and it screwed me over. This sub’s advice really fucking sucks the majority of the time.
megaduce104@reddit
im going to be a year 3 CFI soon, probably due to the advice of this subreddit. im in the same boat as the OP, but im nearing 1900 hours. by the time the writing was on the wall, it was too late for me to join a cadet program.
NuttPunch@reddit
This sub is like that finance guy on TV what's his name Kramer? People make money inversing his stock market picks. Do that with this sub. Inverse whatever the common narrative is. Bad advice will get a lot of upvotes and then equally ignorant people will go on to make their own ignorant comments copying this for upvotes. Reddit is commonly called a circle jerk for good reason.
Brickyard-175@reddit
Have friends that passed on the cadet programs and are right there with you. A few wrongly thought their cadet program acceptance meant they were “in” only to fail the re-interview when they reached their hours. Others thought they could only be in one program. Cadet programs, unless they specifically tell you otherwise, don’t care how many programs you’re in. I know my company’s cadets don’t re-interview either which is nice
Good luck to you!
StweebyStweeb@reddit
Amen. This sub will tear people to shreds for having an opinion, then find themselves cheerleading for the same opinion as soon as the market changes.
Wandrews123@reddit
I learned a long time ago not to listen to people on Reddit. I hung out on the /r/atheism page a lot and one day I got into it with the mods because I tried to convince them that their own minds were real - I was asked to cite my sources!
bodydamage@reddit
Given the proper tools that wouldn’t be a hard thing to prov.
Probably be less enjoyable for them than you though
barcode-username@reddit
Same, I'm so glad I didn't listen to the "experts" on this sub two years ago who were so sure that you should never join cadet programs because "the airlines don't care about them" and "they're only made to slow you down" blah blah blah. I don't understand why this sub hated them so much, but I suspect it's because the cadet programs often took students from large 141 schools (something else this subreddit irrationally hates).
HalfPlankton@reddit
If it gives you encouragement the same happened to me in the UK, I wish I had kept the thick pile of rejection letters (it was the nineties). At one point I took a week off to tour the UK and try and sell myself: didn't work haha. Eventually I was offered a role as FO on the SF-340, great machine!
subarupilot@reddit
I’d highly advise paying for an app review. I thought mine was squared away and boy was I wrong.
Pilot_sky_life508@reddit (OP)
Thank you everyone for the insight. I found it very helpful. I’m going to hire some help reviewing my apps and resume — make sure nothing is weak there. In the meantime I’ll keep flying and applying.
YupYup_3@reddit
In 2008 I experienced this as well. I eventually landed a job in Namibia Africa flying a 206 after risking the interview for a Caravan SIC in Indonesia.
So I packed up the moving truck after I lost my CFI job and headed back to my parents with my pride in a small box. I stopped at every single airport I drove by and looked for hangers and operations that would take a paper resume while I wore the only suite I had that fit.
I eventually did land a job as an SIC on a citation for a family that didn’t need to employ me, but liked my initiative.
From there my career took off.
Cheer up bud, keep trying and eventually a switch will flip and you’ll be doing what you love.
bottomfeeder52@reddit
the ol’ firm handshake actually paid off
YupYup_3@reddit
That very same “first” handshake actually landed me at the legacy I’m at now as things came full circle.
But every job I had after that first citation gig was the result of a handshake and personal relationships/reputation.
amaviamor@reddit
Congratulations on your tenacity! It shows in how you were willing to move around the world, but also back home if need be. Felt. I’m in that position now (job in Guam fell through, back home in Atlanta). May I ask where you found the 206 job? (That’s one of my favorite aircraft as well).
TordTheThunderGod@reddit
I can chime in on Namibia. Bought a one-way ticket to Windhoek and visited all the operators. Many don’t advertise, and almost none will look at emails you send. After a few weeks a small 210 charter operator gave me a conditional job offer. After converting the CPL, doing self sponsored training and 50 hours of linetraining you are good to go. It’s a very small aviation community, and for Europeans/Americans you have to prove that you are willing to stick around before getting something
amaviamor@reddit
This s incredibly helpful, thank you. It makes sense that they would invest in pilots who would do the same in return in the community.
jawshoeaw@reddit
“Took off” Solid turn of phrase and congrats on initiative it really does help.
Creative-Dust5701@reddit
The great pilot hiring boom is OVER now its back to normal with the airlines hiring a few hundred people per year
rotardy@reddit
The most important element of 121 career success is date of birth.
Feathers_McGraw__@reddit
Yep, luck and timing
Grand-Amphibian-3887@reddit
This is very "normal" if you look at the last 30 years of airline hiring. If you only focus on the extremely unusual 2-year period of hiring that slowed to a trickle this past year and hope for the same results, you will be disappointed.
FlyingMrChow@reddit
Sounds dumb but do an app review with any of the companies that do interview prep/consulting. That or hit a job fair and sign up for the individual slots with airlines.
Things to look at for your app:
No abbreviations. 26th Av NE is 26th Avenue Northeast
Education- Add Flight certs and types if you have them
No gaps in employment or housing.
JewofTVC1986@reddit
This is wrong
FlyingMrChow@reddit
Oh thanks tell me more as I work recruiting for a major.
JewofTVC1986@reddit
Got interview invites from all 3 legacies and never spelled any of those out
ChemicalCell5445@reddit
I don't think this matters as long as you are consistently either abbreviating them or typing them fully out. Attention to detail.
FlyingMrChow@reddit
*Sorry, a legacy
74_Jeep_Cherokee@reddit
Check and make sure there are no gaps i.e. is you left job A on 6/1/24 you started job B on 6/2/24
OR if job A ended 6/1 and job B started 6/20 make sure you have an unemployment entry to cover that gap
Next, check for uniformity. If you capitalized N/A on one spot and didn't in another - n/a. Also no blank spots except for "if no explain"
Spell out Street, Boulevard, etc etc
Lastly, pump yourself up -
Job description lame = I was a flight instructor that taught students
Job description awesome = I personally ensured the safe operation of company aircraft in strict compliance with FAA and company rules regulations standard and procedures, blah blah blah
JewofTVC1986@reddit
Only bit of this that is correct is the gaps
74_Jeep_Cherokee@reddit
Well... There's at least two places out there collecting $500 that say otherwise.
NuttPunch@reddit
That pedantic N/A vs n/a or St. vs Street annoys me so much. THAT is what we use to screen people now. Ridiculous. HR has ruined so many companies
JewofTVC1986@reddit
It’s 100% fake news, I had my app reviewed for the majors by two of the highest level app reviewers and was told by both of them It doesn’t matter, all three majors called me with all three apps having abbreviations. This was pre Covid boom also
74_Jeep_Cherokee@reddit
Agree.
Unfortunately, play the game or lose.
PullDoNotRotate@reddit
(everyone knows what a flight instructor does)
74_Jeep_Cherokee@reddit
Doesn't matter, play the game or lose.
Better yet, pay one of those app review places $500 to tell you what I just said.
CoyotePelican@reddit
From the folks I’ve seen being interviewed and more over the dudes in the new hire classes… it’s back to high time! I’d say 2/3 are already type rated former FOs with almost all others hailing from the cadet program. Keep your app out and don’t think it bleak just because you’re green, consider also posting for 135/91 jobs as a bridge. Someone said it already but it’s looking similar to the post financial crisis hiring, just a matter of time.
JewofTVC1986@reddit
Correct once the majors stop hiring the 2500 hours to delta is over, the 1500 to regionals is done it’s more like 5000 to delta with 2000 121 jet PIC and check airman, and now 3000 to regionals with 141 check pilot quads
Crusoebear@reddit
"I've been at minimums..."
There's a reason they are referred to as minimums. The tighter the job market - the wider the chasm grows between listed minimums & what is a competitive resume.
ComfortablePatient84@reddit
You are among thousands of victims of one of the worst coordinated frauds in American history. There never really was a pilot shortage. There was instead an entirely foreseeable bubble of pilots who were going to reach their mandatory retirement age. The airline industry knew this was temporary.
So, what did they do? They coopted every single entity from media to organizations like AOPA, to peddle the fiction that there was going to be a long term hiring frenzy for pilots. This was done to encourage thousands of young people to pay out the nose for pilot training, adding to the insane public debt level America already suffered from.
So, what happened was also entirely predictable. The temporary hiring boost quickly was filled and suddenly there are thousands of people who spent these enormous sums of money to earn all your certifications, and you cannot find a job! Good luck paying back all the costs you incurred for those licenses.
The military used to be the primary hiring pipeline for the airlines. The Air National Guard and AF Reserves never had a challenge finding pilots because their ranks were filled with former active duty pilots who hooked up with the airlines after separation from active AF, but who wanted to keep flying on the side part time.
Then, two things happened. The military got tired of paying the average $2 million per pilot training costs just to see them separate after three years in the cockpit and walk to the airlines ready to hire. So, the signing commitment contracts for military pilot training increased to ten years. Now, there would still be people separating from active duty with pilot wings, but after ten years vice just five.
The second issue was airline expansion. It created more pilot requirements but came at the cost of market oversaturation, causing a lot of blood letting within the airline industry, including a large number of these budget carriers who went into the fare wars with the idea of pricing their tickets at ridiculously low levels and then bury extra fees in the print. It was equally stupid, because it predictably caused a lot of customer ire, with the expected public relations black eyes.
The airline industry is a tone deaf group of executives who cannot see two inches in front of their noses. The idea that it's somehow a long term benefit to put thousands of young people in debt between $50,000 to $120,000 with questionable employment options, is a notion that only the mentally insane could hold. What each airline should have done is create their own flying cadet training program, and trained their own future pilots. They could have set up something similar to universities, with dormitory housing and a campus setting. Charge a reasonable tuition fee that defrays some of the costs, but wouldn't put the students in lifetime debt.
The challenge for the airlines would be to tailor their cadet numbers to match their expected losses from retirement and other causes, minus those pilots they expect to hire from the military. Then get with the FAA and in return for guarantees that as an industry, the airlines will pay living wages to FO's with commercial AMEL's, and have them work the same schedule as the captains and FO's for the majors, the FAA will remove the ATP requirement for the right seat.
Then, the airlines can pay around $40,000 a year compensation for a Commercial AMEL pilot to fly the right seat, and learn the ropes under tutelage of their best captains. That's called leadership. And the problem is there is frightfully too little of it in the CEO world today.
NuttPunch@reddit
Jaded sub 1500hr opinion I'm guessing. There is still a shortage only the shortage is of skilled pilots (121/135 CAs). The death of spirit and lack of aircraft manufacturing is definitely affecting the upward flow to the top of the pyramid scheme known as the pilot career track.
SubarcticFarmer@reddit
The real reason is that there is a massive delay in deliveries for aircraft so majors slowed hiring drastically from plan.
ComfortablePatient84@reddit
That's a small part of it. There is no one detail behind anything like this. Simply put, the retiree cycle has returned to normal levels and the airlines filled their positions. There is currently a glut of people pursuing more ATP's than there will be slots for them -- something the airline industry is very happy to see since they have no skin in the training game.
And while we're on the subject of airline poaching after incurring none of the training costs, as bad as the net effect is with pilots, it's even worse with A&P's. The airlines are eviscerating the ranks of A&P's servicing general aviation aircraft. These GA shops were bearing the costs of training, and seeing an alarming number of their newly minted A&P's leaving for airline jobs.
In short, the airlines have decided to let others pay for the training of their two highest compensated group of employees.
FixedWinger@reddit
You need to be at maximums, not minimums in order to get hired right now. Welcome to the real world.
120SR@reddit
Fair, but the regionals want 121 time. 500-2000 more 172 CFI hours won’t mean much. You’re pointing out the obvious chicken and egg problem.
FixedWinger@reddit
I don’t recall saying or referring to only total time or 172 time. I mean being way above all the minimum qualifications that include, as you said, 121/135 time, twin turbofan time, pic jet time, etc.
120SR@reddit
So how would somebody get that time if they can’t get hired by the regionals…..
FixedWinger@reddit
You don’t. That’s the whole point I’m trying to make. Jesus Christ. You have to be patient and find jobs where you can until hiring picks up again and they lower the desired experience requirements.
120SR@reddit
Well, again, thanks for pointing out the obvious chicken and egg problem. You provided some great information.
FixedWinger@reddit
It’s not obvious when people repost this same question daily. A lot of these people had acquaintances and friends that got hired during the boom and are wondering when their time will come and haven’t come to the realization yet that things are not the same and it will take awhile to get back to normal hiring rates. It might be obvious to you, but I’m merely answering the question that was asked. I don’t know why you keep yapping and typing things that I never said to create some sort of argument, but I digress.
f1racer328@reddit
Maximums?
Maybe preferred experience would be a better term.
FixedWinger@reddit
I was being intentionally hyperbolic to point out the fact that meeting minimums does not equate to being competitive in the hiring market, but I applaud your veracity.
slowizsmooth@reddit
OP I was here and got good and desperate this year. I put $5k on a credit card for ATPCTP. I pressed my suit, printed resumes, and drove to two separate job fairs this year in addition to staying on top of emailing recruiters. I hold 3 cjos and start class next month for a wholly owned at RATP mins. You gotta bust ass right now.
la_future_pilote@reddit
I recommend going to every conference you can go to and talking to every airline in person. They are there to recruit and often will pull up your app if you go to these events.
ZealousidealSpend397@reddit
Gotta read the room unfortunately. Hiring is mostly on pause at the regional level. Explore other opportunities like corporate contracting or other means to get turbine time!
This is not a “this is how it has been before so you should deal with it too” just an unfortunate reality today. Might change next month. Might get worse! Who knows
Flying_in_place@reddit
Go to a networking event. Make sure you didn’t select something weird in airline apps on accident that would disqualify you immediately.
x46469@reddit
There's a FAPA one happening in Phoenix in a few days. https://www.fapa.aero/events
Valid__Salad@reddit
I second this. I think that’s the only reason I was invited in for an interview
Accomplished_Amoeba9@reddit
Apply to the cadet programs that got me a call after Covid
NuttPunch@reddit
Waiting for the comments…
“tHiS JUsT tHe ReTuRN tO NorMAL BeCaUSe it wAs LiKE tHiS bACK iN 2008 BuCKLe Up GreEnHoRN!”
21MPH21@reddit
You mean the truth? That the hiring frenzy is over?
I'll say it, the 2021 hiring frenzy is over. Don't quit your day job until you're sitting in indoc.
kduffs@reddit
This hiring environment (which is actually more likely to get better again than worse) is nothing like 2008. That’s true truth.
21MPH21@reddit
My crystal ball is cracked and hazy but at least you can see the future clearly /s
It's not 2008 It's also not 2001 for that matter but it's also not 2021-22
NuttPunch@reddit
That is true but it’s not the same as 1500hr to a regional isn’t normal. It’s been normal for over a decade.
uzivause@reddit
a certain demographic loves to say this 😭
girl_incognito@reddit
Normal for a year ago, yes, normal for 15 years ago, not at all.
confusedguy1212@reddit
Yes this is normal this career is shit and you’ll be treated like one all throughout. It’s never going to change not even at the mighty Delta.
Yesthisisme50@reddit
You’re just not competitive right now
120SR@reddit
Ah, what a brilliant observation
Stocksonnablock@reddit
This guy might be a genius
CostaRicaPro@reddit
Did you check the box that you have your English-proficient endorsement? A friend of mine didn’t think that it applied to him since he was a native speaker. (Spoiler: it does and you almost certainly have it.)
After total silence from the airlines for a month or two, he realized the mistake, fixed it and immediately got automated responses from the airlines, followed by actual interview requests in less than a week. He heads to his first interview this week.
standardtemp2383@reddit
Did you get application prep/review? You’re doing something wrong because people are getting CJOs
Anphsn@reddit
How is he doing something wrong?
120SR@reddit
Yea, quite normal. There’s many of us
Twa747@reddit
You did have your app reviewed right? There could be a glaring error that your missing….ask me how I know…..
jtyson1991@reddit
What was your glaring error?
Twa747@reddit
Forgot to put in my highschool GPA
I used cage consulting and we both missed it
Got a fix it from delta in 2018
Never heard anything back till after Covid
I’d recommend either spitfire or raven for app review it’s expensive but it’s worth it
Also fuck cage consulting I’m not even capitalizing the c in cage consulting because motherfuckers wouldn’t even give me a fuckin refund
ltcterry@reddit
“Minimums” has not been competitive for a year. 1500-hour CFIs are a dime a dozen.
Curious, how have you not been aware of a tremendous backlog/slowdown for over a year?
Av8tr1@reddit
No its not normal but not for the reason you think. We have been in a golden once in a lifetime hiring period.
Normally it would take years to get on with a major airline. Even the regionals were hard to get an interview.
As many of us old timers have been saying (and regularly downvoted for it) a year is nothing in a normal hiring environment.
Got a DUI, you would never hear from a major.
Got a check ride failure, unless you have extenuating circumstances, you were never going to hear from a major.
What we just went through was the effect of charline finding that golden ticket on an entire industry.
What you are experiencing is normal or has been in the past.
My advice is: Don't despair. This is like trying to get to date the head cheerleader in high school. You gotta keep asking till she says yes. Meanwhile don't miss out on other dates in the meantime.
ComfortablePatient84@reddit
You want get a down vote from me. You spoke truth. Sending my up vote!
Negative_Swan_9459@reddit
Anyone suggesting this over the past few years was getting dogpiled. The thing is…this is still a good hiring environment. I hope anyone who thinks otherwise does a deep dive into airline hiring history and not from stories written by left seat legacy speed runners of 2021-2023.
PullDoNotRotate@reddit
It really is. It's just not Goldilocks levels of good.
21MPH21@reddit
Yep, a year is nothing on historical terms.
I'd also recommend going to seminars and meeting CPs and HR. Regionals, except skw and rpa, are extremely slow in hiring due to the captain shortage. As legacies start hiring captains I don't think things will get better for the other regionals, they'll be even shorter on captains while rpa and skw both have a ton of FOs about to upgrade that are under a contract so most will be staying. rpa and skw will need lots of FOs next year imho.
BonaFidePirate@reddit
I feel like people have a misunderstanding of "minimums" when it comes to hiring.
ZeriskQQ@reddit
Right now, things are just in a more competitive environment. I had an email to set up an interview with a regional through airline apps 1 day after submitting my app and 1 week for another. Right now, they are just looking for overqualified candidates. You gotta remember the mins don't mean your competitive. Right now, they desperately want Captains. So any 121 time is huge for them. Just for your comparison, I have 2500 hours with 1500 turbine PIC, ATP/MEI and 500 121 eligible hours (all military)
Mao_Kwikowski@reddit
The Guard is hiring.
https://bogidope.com/
theoriginalturk@reddit
NASA is also hiring
https://www.usajobs.gov/job/818637500
SupportGold7583@reddit
Is there anything that you think that could be causing that? Whether that’s checkride failures, accidents/incidents, criminal record? I don’t think for right now there is much if any hiring going on at the regional level but I do find it a bit odd they haven’t responded to you in that long IF your record is clean
Pilot_sky_life508@reddit (OP)
My record is clean. Just 1 failure — my initial CFI ride.
SupportGold7583@reddit
In that case unfortunately it’s just the current market which I know is what you don’t want to hear. Most regionals are pretty fat on first officers. Until the majors start sucking up captains again which will happen at some point, hiring at the regionals is going to be quite slow.
Apply not only to 121 but 135 operators and stuff. NetJets is worth an app, they are picky but you really never know
Flying_in_place@reddit
lol dude cmon. One checkride failure 😂.
SupportGold7583@reddit
Not saying it’s cause of his checkride failure. I’m saying the reason of OP not hearing anything is the tightness of the market and not OP’s record
Flying_in_place@reddit
Oh. I thought you were inferring bc he failed his cfi initial that he wasn’t competitive lol.
SupportGold7583@reddit
Nah man 80% of guys I’ve flown with have at least one failure. That’s not a showstopper at all
Anphsn@reddit
Yea I’ve know several people who were hired at legacies in the past couple of years with 2 Checkride busts. This industry is 90% luck, timing, and having enough money to keep flying.
NuttPunch@reddit
GA checkride busts mean nothing after a few 121 training cycles.
Anphsn@reddit
Ok but weren’t these still big problems in the past? I don’t think it was normal to go to a legacy with 2 checkride busts and no college degree
Pilot_sky_life508@reddit (OP)
What? Is that bad?
Flying_in_place@reddit
Na they don’t care if you failed that
SupportGold7583@reddit
Your checkride failure is not the reason you’re not getting bites. Regionals aren’t hiring FOs that is the point I’m trying to get across
Pintail21@reddit
Have you paid for an app review service? If you forget something like not checking the fluent in English box or uploading a radiotelephone permit that is a clean kill and the a computer will not allow your app to proceed. Well worth the investment IMO.
BringPopcorn@reddit
This guy military's.
To civilian it up, maybe "an open and shut case" or immediate round file (trash can).
Anphsn@reddit
Normal, I have 500 turbine and nothing either
Yesthisisme50@reddit
What’s your Total time?
Anphsn@reddit
1720
Noswad_12@reddit
I have 3100 total time and 2100 ME turbine and the only one I’ve heard back from is Skywest
VolubleWanderer@reddit
Have you hired anyone to go over your app? My resume is ass but I got a delta interview after it was combed over.
bretthull@reddit
Might be worth doing an app review, simple things like out of date passport or medical can prevent you from hearing back.
Hefty-Elk1853@reddit
When I was looking last year, I send an email to the hiring department of each airline that I applied to about a month after I applied. Most of them responded to let me know to reach back out when I hit minimums.
Worried-Ebb-1699@reddit
Check your contact info and spam.
rFlyingTower@reddit
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Any input is appreciated. Is it normal to not hear anything from any of them? The only thing I got was a survey to fill out for SkyWest. I get that the airlines have been on a hiring pause, but has silence been everyone else’s experience?
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