Anon jokes, but to anyone whose studied this issue knows that women pursuing higher education is the single biggest contributor to low fertility rates.
I think the country would benefit if we at least implemented a soft quota in colleges to favor men. We're already falling behind in studied + it's only fair given the inordinate assistance and handouts women receieve whenever they're behind in some metric.
So affirmative action is bad, unless it's only for men?
Seriously though you're forgetting that college used to be a very common place to meet your spouse from about the 60's to the 2000's. Similar goes for work.
So affirmative action is bad, unless it's only for men?
Being the first ones to do affirmative action is bad. But given it has already been done in favor of one party, then, in order to restore balance, affirmative action is good.
Sort of like how forecully taking something is bad, but forefully taking something back is good.
Being the first ones to do affirmative action is bad.
Okay, so then affirmative action as we know it today isn't bad. The left implemented affirmative action in response to colleges, schools, and banks discriminating against black people and favoring whites from the inception of the US till about the 60's or 70's. "Restoring balance" as you put it, is the whole point of affirmative action in the first place.
But given it has already been done in favor of one party
Affirmative action has never once applied to party affiliation. If you're a black person who's a Republican to you're just as eligible as any other black person.
You're not wrong for pointing out that women were disadvantaged and affirmative action helped rebalance. I'm moreso pointing out affirmative action when woman had already gotten all their rights and had surpassed men in many metrics.
I partly disagree, the main factor is that women won't let go of hypergamy after they have their freedom.
While men adapt whenever the situation (from active to passive in the mating market, from poor to rich), women failed to adapt, all they want it is to have their cake and eat it too, and complain it is men's fault.
not legistrating law so that they can f you in the a when you divorce...etc...I mean not disrespect, but your question is pretty meta, because in real life the problem will always fall to men, and men shouldn't go around asking what should we do, you find a way to make it work.
Oh. So you're saying we should all have a legally mandated prenup! In California they just split everything in half, but I don't think that is always the best idea.
So prenup is what you want? or you want your partner really be there for you through and thick and thin? My point is think about what you REALLY want, and find a way to make it happen.
I don't want to lose all my stuff in a divorce, tbh. I just wish it was culturally acceptable for all my stuff I had before the divorceto automatically be mine in such a case.
First of all, the outrage if that was actually done would be insane.
Also, quotas aren't fair or effective for solving problems. If women want to pursue higher education, trying to stop them will only make they fight to maintain it and also make the public discourse about sexism worsen, which will only serve to drive men and women further apart. Freedom is what solves things imo. Too many stupid rules making people's lives worse than they need to be can't be helping they have time to care about family and children.
That ship has sailed long ago I'm afraid. Our institutions are knees deep in DEI. It's time to switch gears: use the left's principles against itself. Their resistance will only reveal their own hypocrisy.
Yes it will cause a lot of butthurt among women, but when are women not butthurt? Besides, they pull shit that pisses us off all the time but I don't see anyone worrying about how us men feel.
Trying to keep women out of higher education at a time when it is no longer practical, or sometimes even possible to raise a family on a single income is a stupid idea that will just result in a lot of couples who cannot afford to have kids since one of them is unemployable for any job that isn't flipping burgers
Except women in higher education is not sustainable. Our population is dwindling. Housing supply keeps shrinking
And the only thing not sustainable is a bunch of mid/late 20s career women living in a 1 bedroom condo with their dog
A two member household in a 1 br condo is infinitely more sustainable and affordable than the alternative. As is cooking for 2. Cleaning for 2. Buying furniture for 2. Having 1 pet instead of 1 pet each. One car. Etc
I’m not saying women shouldn’t be unemployed altogether cause there’s a lot of them much smarter than the average Redditor but any sort of push towards higher education needs to be reevaluated
And while i wouldn’t oppose men taking the role of house husbands, we all know women absolutely do not want that cause it’s a bad fucking deal for them. If it were available for me to play video games 6 hours a day and do minimal housework, I’d have taken it
It's time to switch gears: use the left's principles against itself. Their resistance will only reveal their own hypocrisy.
So the things the left does are bad, until we do them? That only reveals our own hypocrisy. The left's principals are things like "diversity is good", trying to use that against them would be more like giving fundamentalist Muslims incentives to go to college
In principle you're wrong, but trying to respond to someone else's irrationality with your own barely ever results in something good. If someone is being irrational, the only productive thing to do is to be extra rational yourself. It's tough, it's unfair, but it's what works. Plus, it seems the culture is already changing a lot and people are becoming more conservative. That's what I'm seeing, at least.
Sure but not as likely best case scenario. If she has trouble due to the economy, finding a husband or has to invest extra effort due to her career it’s much later
27 should be the tail end of a woman’s childbearing prime, not the start
You can’t chop off a decade of a woman’s best childbearing years and think it’s okay
This is a kid's understanding of the problem that desperately tries to pin the low birthrates on women when everyone with half a brain knows the problem has always been our current way of life and the easiness to have safe sex.
Iran has lower birthrates than a shithole like Venezuela, and women in Venezuela are way more free to choose their careers than women in Iran.
Men also choose to not have children for a variety of reasons
All you have to do is implement less statist policies. A lot of men are very successful outside of college. College system is just a big syndicate that promotes itself through incestuous hiring. Convincing businesses, government and society at large their useless degrees have merit.
If you allow a free market with de-regulation on the need for so-called qualified degrees and instead allow track record and productivity to determine winners. You’ll naturally have less women being hypergamous as their base salaries won’t outstrip that outstrip 66% of men just because of “muh degree.”
Just stop pushing all this 'girlboss' 'women in STEM' bullshit. If a woman really wants to do that she should be able, but motherhood needs to return as the default path for women, which it will if we just turn off the feminist propaganda machine.
As much as fatherhood needs to return to men. We also need to tell every guy that they better study and work their arses off because the secret to happiness is a stable relationship in a family with several kids, and they'll be providing 50% to 100% of this family's income. This did work in the past. Nowadays guys also don't seem to have starting a sizable family as a goal; they also want to enjoy life selfishly which leads to less happiness. Source: was happily childless, now father of 2, and I only regret not having started sooner.
Any(Correct answers)Insert: It looks like you identified the better sex as women instead of queens. You also used facts which makes you a trump supporting incel. Now my army of virgin simps will downvote you.
This already happened in developed countries lol, people just use condoms to fuck more and not have to worry about little kids getting in the way of their fucking
Well that's just the other end of Anon's problem. He wants to raise population without introducing foreigners. But didn't think about how they need to be raised.
This is why we need to invent stasis chambers that upload the entire school curriculum from grades 1-12 into a child while they sleep until the age of 18.
The crazy thing is that even dirt poor countries like the Philippines (and India ffs) have birthrates below replacement now. So pretty soon ‘bringing in foreigners’ won’t be an option anyway.
The long term solution would be to greatly expand worker's protections and then focus on the economy in that order.
If you try to fix the economy and then expand worker's protections you're just going to get a recession in the tail end of your lead and the next guy in will revoke everything you instituted.
The issue is that this means you 9/10 have to pull off a Milei and admit "yeah things are gonna be shit for a bit" while you set up the infrastructure to fix an economy rather than fixing it.
Sadly, in most countries, such a politician whose entire platform is "I will ruin your economy for a few years to get you guys to go back to fucking" is not going to be a popular one most likely.
Yes worker’s protections. That’s why birth rates are so high in Northern Europe…
Unfortunately CZ is correct. Women’s rights go hand in hand with low birth rates. Not only do women work until their chance of miscarriage is very high, but they also still want their spouse to make more money than them, so become significantly more selective, and it defeats the idea of a husband that’s a stay at home dad for most women.
women's education probably negatively correlates with reproduction.
when you got women spending 6 years in school to get a masters and gender studies and then another 3 years getting settled in her career, you got a woman who is not having kids in almost her entire biological prime.
but schlomo loves women who do that because he gets all the wagies he needs and then he can outsource reproduction by bringing over 5 million jeets.
realistically, women need to have some way to have kids in their early/mid 20s
tl;dr: Your narrative is wrong because only 0.81% of women in Canada are in a graduate program at any given time which is bad because Canada is the country with the largest educated population percentage in the world, also men exist and are also very likely to get graduate degrees but we ignore them cause they don't fit your narrative.
Let's go to the most well educated countries in the world which apparently are Canada and Russia (both have 54% tertiary level educations completed)
Generally, women are 60% more likely to get a graduate level degree than a man which using really shoddy math (I'm a mathematician, what did you expect good math?) means that 62.5% of all graduate degrees belong to women.
In Canada, about 230k people are in a master's degree program at any given time and for every 8 people in a master's degree program, 1 person is in a doctoral degree so I'll add an extra 29,000 people to that count for a total of 259k people in a graduate degree at any given time.
This means that about 162,000 women at any given time are in a graduate program in Canada
Canada has a population of 40 million, 20 million women assuming a perfectly fair split.
This means that at any given time, 0.81% of all Canadian women are in a graduate program.
I don't think that less than a single percent is going to be the reason why women aren't willing to have kids, we're also ignoring the other 37.5% of men that aren't getting the degree because they don't fit your narrative.
Note: this is the most educated country. Literally every other country in the world except Russia is going to have a smaller portion of their female populace in a graduate program.
Your whole entire argument is that women are overeducated, unless you want to try to larp that you were actually never serious and that there was a deeper argument involved ofc.
It’s kinda too late honestly. If all the women left the workforce that would have a similar effect - less tax income for the government to pay for social security.
We might have to just ban contraceptives and abortions.
That won't work either, all you'll get is a bunch 0of broken families and a worse standard of living, then an even worse birth rate afterwards, ask Romania.
well if one income was enough to sustain a family i know more than a few people that'd be more than willing to be stay at home parents. The problem is that for most people, it isn't
Maybe if people were less greedy than one income would be enough to sustain a family.
But no, everyone needs their newest devices, expensive food and drinks, expensive hobbies etc.
You are halfway there. But it isn't consumers that need to be less greedy, it's wealthy business owners, tech moguls, and political elites who are keeping more and more of the pie we are all competing for. This directly makes the middle class smaller and smaller. And it takes normal people longer to get to a life stage where they are capable of having children without living in complete misery.
To buy or even to rent a house to put these kids in, to afford their education in a district that hopefully doesn't have drug problems or school shootings, to buy them food and clothes, to get nannies and babysitters and all that shit so the parents can continue to work, all these things have gotten insanely expensive and impossible on one income, or even a lot of combined incomes. Especially if the prospective parents have student debt, grad student debt, housing debt, vehicle debt, and god help them if they have credit card debt.
It's a rigged game and you are blaming people for treading water with their feet tied together trying to get by and maybe have a family, while the 870 US billionaires collect houses and planes and islands and cars like Magic cards.
I'm pretty conservative, but I'm also not buying these regards regarded snake oil. The cock riding of the ultra rich by dumb poors baffles me.
It's all the opposite, women in the richest countries don't want anything to do with children and men, (norway, switzerland, Netherland, etc..) whereas most poor third world shitholes are struggling with overpopulation
We just need to become uneducated and too poor to afford condoms, problem solved
Lol this would fix absolutely nothing, in some countries of Europe we have so many worker's protections it's hardly possible to even create a business and yet our birth rate is shit
Trust me they are, I work in a small business and I'm in constant contact with the CEO advising him on stuff and I can see firsthand how suffocating this bullshit is.
We don't more communism, more socialism, more equality, more security, we need less of those things. Like the czech guy in OP said we need to call the experiment off, take away women's "right" to be a corporate slave, and make people responsible for their life choices.
the meta is actually easy, just use the "rehash the already established karma farming opinions" ability 10 times a day on popular subreddits. You'll be rank 1 Soy in no time
Is this the kind of funny statement that's supposed to somehow fit both countries in order to claim they're basically the same?
Because Czechia is the least religious country on the planet, it's also more advanced than USA (ok this one is true about the Philippines too) and it's not known for sex tourism, but for the best porn stars.
No idea where the hard-line conservatives figure, I don't care about politics, since the planet will be rendered unsuitable for habitation long before politicians make a decision on anything.
Redditors say "stupid asian misogyny" or "barbaric asian work culture", conveniently ignoring that Nordic countries that excels in those areas still have dropping birthrates. Problem is le money
If rising income and worker protections led to increase birth rates then the chart for income to children would be inverse but pretty much in any society the poorest, least educated, and lowest quality of life living individuals tend tend to have the most amount of kids.
Reduce urbanization (kids take up space in cramped apartments, kids are free labor on farms), outlaw abortion, institute a one child minimum policy, tax breaks, etc.
Based off what I remember, just some random cult which I have no idea what they worship, but what I do know is that they basically guilt you into giving them your money, belongings, etc until you have nothing. From what I remember the dude who killed him had a mother who gave them (the cult) everything (money, valuables, deed to house) and took advantage of her. Since he knows that Shinzo Abe is a big part of the cult he decided the way he gets his revenge and spotlight on the cult is by killing someone of importance.
Make living easier, women doesnt have to work to earn a living till their 30's. But that will never happen because importing slave labour who multiply like rabbits will always be cheaper for companies
3rd anon is based, but it's more than that. Because of inflation and wages not rising to meet it (like has traditionally happened throughout modern history), many, many people are literally just scraping by. The lower classes pump out kids like it's a job because it is, the more production the baby factory makes the bigger the public assistance check gets. The working class however is so financially strained that having kids just doesn't make financial sense, not to mention the social hellworld you'd be bringing said child into
Nobody is living well on welfare, and they certainly aren't having kids to stay on it. They're having kids because they can't afford long term birth control.
Any woman who doesn't want kids and can afford something like Mirena will get it.
You are completely wrong. Especially in leftist countries, there are women living off their kids child support payments from the government. If you have multiple kids you have enough assistance money to rent a nice house.
You could not be more ignorant to the truth of my city. I live in the hood. The women here have child after child after child, and their entire lives are paid for. Apartment subsidized, "cash allowance" to buy anything and everything they need/want, SNAP benefits pay for all food, and half of them have boyfriends that work or deal drugs but are not claimed as part of the household
can't afford long term birth control
This made me lol audibly. Since the time they were born into a similar household to the one they have now themselves, these women have been on Medicaid, which is called MassHealth where I'm from. No out of pocket costs for anything, ever. Prescriptions, emergency room, surgery, nothing. Seeing this go on all around me for all these years has given me serious pause as to why I bother working at all. Their entire lives are lived for free
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Lemak0@reddit
Its easier to bring in the pajeets rather than dismanteling and fixing this rotten system.
Lemak0@reddit
Making supporting a family a task that is doable by one half of the potential parents.
WeeTheDuck@reddit
i thought i was in r/ greentext so I got very confused reading these comments lol. Im at r/ 4chan alright
GothaCritique@reddit
Anon jokes, but to anyone whose studied this issue knows that women pursuing higher education is the single biggest contributor to low fertility rates.
I think the country would benefit if we at least implemented a soft quota in colleges to favor men. We're already falling behind in studied + it's only fair given the inordinate assistance and handouts women receieve whenever they're behind in some metric.
pzk72@reddit
So affirmative action is bad, unless it's only for men?
Seriously though you're forgetting that college used to be a very common place to meet your spouse from about the 60's to the 2000's. Similar goes for work.
GothaCritique@reddit
Being the first ones to do affirmative action is bad. But given it has already been done in favor of one party, then, in order to restore balance, affirmative action is good.
Sort of like how forecully taking something is bad, but forefully taking something back is good.
pzk72@reddit
Okay, so then affirmative action as we know it today isn't bad. The left implemented affirmative action in response to colleges, schools, and banks discriminating against black people and favoring whites from the inception of the US till about the 60's or 70's. "Restoring balance" as you put it, is the whole point of affirmative action in the first place.
Affirmative action has never once applied to party affiliation. If you're a black person who's a Republican to you're just as eligible as any other black person.
GothaCritique@reddit
You're not wrong for pointing out that women were disadvantaged and affirmative action helped rebalance. I'm moreso pointing out affirmative action when woman had already gotten all their rights and had surpassed men in many metrics.
yousokiyosei@reddit
Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8
Fangslash@reddit
Wrong proxy. The true reason for low fertility rate is women’s income, which is directly correlated to pursue of higher education.
In other words, this ain’t happening without nuking the economy
myhouseisunderarock@reddit
So our inevitable debt spiral will fix things basically
clowngripp@reddit
"its only fair" 😭😭 mfs on here could genuinly not be less pathetic
GothaCritique@reddit
You have multiple layers of mental illnesses
clowngripp@reddit
nah
Lazy_Seal_@reddit
I partly disagree, the main factor is that women won't let go of hypergamy after they have their freedom.
While men adapt whenever the situation (from active to passive in the mating market, from poor to rich), women failed to adapt, all they want it is to have their cake and eat it too, and complain it is men's fault.
And you western men just suck it up.
tuigger@reddit
How do we do that?
Lazy_Seal_@reddit
not legistrating law so that they can f you in the a when you divorce...etc...I mean not disrespect, but your question is pretty meta, because in real life the problem will always fall to men, and men shouldn't go around asking what should we do, you find a way to make it work.
tuigger@reddit
Oh. So you're saying we should all have a legally mandated prenup! In California they just split everything in half, but I don't think that is always the best idea.
Lazy_Seal_@reddit
So prenup is what you want? or you want your partner really be there for you through and thick and thin? My point is think about what you REALLY want, and find a way to make it happen.
tuigger@reddit
I don't want to lose all my stuff in a divorce, tbh. I just wish it was culturally acceptable for all my stuff I had before the divorceto automatically be mine in such a case.
JojiImpersonator@reddit
First of all, the outrage if that was actually done would be insane.
Also, quotas aren't fair or effective for solving problems. If women want to pursue higher education, trying to stop them will only make they fight to maintain it and also make the public discourse about sexism worsen, which will only serve to drive men and women further apart. Freedom is what solves things imo. Too many stupid rules making people's lives worse than they need to be can't be helping they have time to care about family and children.
GothaCritique@reddit
That ship has sailed long ago I'm afraid. Our institutions are knees deep in DEI. It's time to switch gears: use the left's principles against itself. Their resistance will only reveal their own hypocrisy.
Yes it will cause a lot of butthurt among women, but when are women not butthurt? Besides, they pull shit that pisses us off all the time but I don't see anyone worrying about how us men feel.
SomethingBuggingYou@reddit
Trying to keep women out of higher education at a time when it is no longer practical, or sometimes even possible to raise a family on a single income is a stupid idea that will just result in a lot of couples who cannot afford to have kids since one of them is unemployable for any job that isn't flipping burgers
Free-Design-8329@reddit
Except women in higher education is not sustainable. Our population is dwindling. Housing supply keeps shrinking
And the only thing not sustainable is a bunch of mid/late 20s career women living in a 1 bedroom condo with their dog
A two member household in a 1 br condo is infinitely more sustainable and affordable than the alternative. As is cooking for 2. Cleaning for 2. Buying furniture for 2. Having 1 pet instead of 1 pet each. One car. Etc
I’m not saying women shouldn’t be unemployed altogether cause there’s a lot of them much smarter than the average Redditor but any sort of push towards higher education needs to be reevaluated
And while i wouldn’t oppose men taking the role of house husbands, we all know women absolutely do not want that cause it’s a bad fucking deal for them. If it were available for me to play video games 6 hours a day and do minimal housework, I’d have taken it
Huge-Basket244@reddit
I assume most people that are staying at home do it because of children, not to play video games all day and half ass cleaning the house.
ThisZoMBie@reddit
Not just because it’s a bad deal, but because they’re instincively, biologically repulsed by it.
DrDMango@reddit
Biologically? Instinctively? How do you mean?
pzk72@reddit
So the things the left does are bad, until we do them? That only reveals our own hypocrisy. The left's principals are things like "diversity is good", trying to use that against them would be more like giving fundamentalist Muslims incentives to go to college
GothaCritique@reddit
When you harm someone without cause, that's evil. If you harm someone because they harmed you first, then that's justice.
JojiImpersonator@reddit
In principle you're wrong, but trying to respond to someone else's irrationality with your own barely ever results in something good. If someone is being irrational, the only productive thing to do is to be extra rational yourself. It's tough, it's unfair, but it's what works. Plus, it seems the culture is already changing a lot and people are becoming more conservative. That's what I'm seeing, at least.
SCP2521@reddit
>will only make they fight to maintain it
like they got it say when men group up
JojiImpersonator@reddit
Genuinely don't get what you mean. Can you elaborate?
SCP2521@reddit
Women's rights are corollary to male created spaces. So, to think women have a say when men chimp out against them is an impossibility
big_whistler@reddit
The solution is to make it easier for women to have babies while being employed, not to choose between career and family.
Free-Design-8329@reddit
Doesn’t work because that means women are still having kids at like 27
bigtree2x5@reddit
27 is a good age to have a kid though
Dense_Impression6547@reddit
Not if you plan to have 12 kids
WIAttacker@reddit
Yeah, it's shocking that the nanosecond women get any semblance of rights and equality they stop having 12 children.
Almost like having 12 children fucking sucks.
tuigger@reddit
Who does?
vmpafq@reddit
Proper women
tuigger@reddit
Blown out hags?
vmpafq@reddit
Hags have dogs instead of children
Spacewasser@reddit
Mormons I guess
Free-Design-8329@reddit
Sure but not as likely best case scenario. If she has trouble due to the economy, finding a husband or has to invest extra effort due to her career it’s much later
27 should be the tail end of a woman’s childbearing prime, not the start
You can’t chop off a decade of a woman’s best childbearing years and think it’s okay
jmlinden7@reddit
That's what Sweden tried and it didn't work.
A_for_Anonymous@reddit
Now it's trying to force women to have kids by just putting rapists in every corner.
GothaCritique@reddit
Lmao
jmlinden7@reddit
Nah they still have birth control/abortions/etc so that doesn't actually increase the birth rate
A_for_Anonymous@reddit
At least most of those who go through multiculturalisation will stop voting Sweden Yes extreme left.
TNTspaz@reddit
The modern era of forcing everyone to get dead end jobs is so fucking cringe
MartingelI@reddit
This is a kid's understanding of the problem that desperately tries to pin the low birthrates on women when everyone with half a brain knows the problem has always been our current way of life and the easiness to have safe sex.
Iran has lower birthrates than a shithole like Venezuela, and women in Venezuela are way more free to choose their careers than women in Iran.
Men also choose to not have children for a variety of reasons
alurbase@reddit
All you have to do is implement less statist policies. A lot of men are very successful outside of college. College system is just a big syndicate that promotes itself through incestuous hiring. Convincing businesses, government and society at large their useless degrees have merit.
If you allow a free market with de-regulation on the need for so-called qualified degrees and instead allow track record and productivity to determine winners. You’ll naturally have less women being hypergamous as their base salaries won’t outstrip that outstrip 66% of men just because of “muh degree.”
GrassBlade619@reddit
Or, we could just let immigrants fill the jobs while paying them dirt, and we can reap the benefits.
mischling2543@reddit
Just stop pushing all this 'girlboss' 'women in STEM' bullshit. If a woman really wants to do that she should be able, but motherhood needs to return as the default path for women, which it will if we just turn off the feminist propaganda machine.
A_for_Anonymous@reddit
As much as fatherhood needs to return to men. We also need to tell every guy that they better study and work their arses off because the secret to happiness is a stable relationship in a family with several kids, and they'll be providing 50% to 100% of this family's income. This did work in the past. Nowadays guys also don't seem to have starting a sizable family as a goal; they also want to enjoy life selfishly which leads to less happiness. Source: was happily childless, now father of 2, and I only regret not having started sooner.
mischling2543@reddit
Absolutely. We need to stop glamourizing the 'player' lifestyle, and provide more positive male role models in media.
Week_Crafty@reddit
Is this /s?
Ra1nCoat@reddit
no it's a solution to the problem
Coronabandito@reddit
Any(Correct answers)Insert: It looks like you identified the better sex as women instead of queens. You also used facts which makes you a trump supporting incel. Now my army of virgin simps will downvote you.
toshineon2@reddit
One of those will eventually lead to the other anyway.
A_Blue_Potion@reddit
StevesterH@reddit
This already happened in developed countries lol, people just use condoms to fuck more and not have to worry about little kids getting in the way of their fucking
A_Blue_Potion@reddit
Well that's just the other end of Anon's problem. He wants to raise population without introducing foreigners. But didn't think about how they need to be raised.
This is why we need to invent stasis chambers that upload the entire school curriculum from grades 1-12 into a child while they sleep until the age of 18.
Naash17@reddit
More prostitution will lead to lower marriages. When men have easy access to sex, the value of a marriage decreases.
Not to say I don't disagree with this, but I think this doesn't solve low birth rates
cXs808@reddit
nah that can't be it.
yeah that's it.
A_Blue_Potion@reddit
The government granted benefits WOULD be the thing to make it feasible
No-Drawing-6060@reddit
Every citizen gets property no matter how shit and forgive student debt/free education
StevesterH@reddit
Man this is solving a problem with a bigger problem
CaptDrunkenstein@reddit
This would actually work.
ThisZoMBie@reddit
Wowzer y’all, then I can go on more Instagram vacations 😍😍😍
FyreLordPlayz@reddit
so free tertiary education and state housing for all? hmm where have i heard that before. next perhaps have the government guarantee all people a job?
gutenfluten@reddit
The crazy thing is that even dirt poor countries like the Philippines (and India ffs) have birthrates below replacement now. So pretty soon ‘bringing in foreigners’ won’t be an option anyway.
StevesterH@reddit
Eh we’ll live the elites will be fine and we will suffer but this is as per usual and there will be a stabilization or bounce back anyway who cares
Setkon@reddit
Yeah, but it's only gonna be a problem for them in like 20 years which is 20 years later than it's gonna be a problem for us.
mrstorydude@reddit
The long term solution would be to greatly expand worker's protections and then focus on the economy in that order.
If you try to fix the economy and then expand worker's protections you're just going to get a recession in the tail end of your lead and the next guy in will revoke everything you instituted.
The issue is that this means you 9/10 have to pull off a Milei and admit "yeah things are gonna be shit for a bit" while you set up the infrastructure to fix an economy rather than fixing it.
Sadly, in most countries, such a politician whose entire platform is "I will ruin your economy for a few years to get you guys to go back to fucking" is not going to be a popular one most likely.
HarryPhajynuhz@reddit
Yes worker’s protections. That’s why birth rates are so high in Northern Europe…
Unfortunately CZ is correct. Women’s rights go hand in hand with low birth rates. Not only do women work until their chance of miscarriage is very high, but they also still want their spouse to make more money than them, so become significantly more selective, and it defeats the idea of a husband that’s a stay at home dad for most women.
TheBROinBROHIO@reddit
What rights, then, do you think we should take away?
InfamousService2723@reddit
women's education probably negatively correlates with reproduction.
when you got women spending 6 years in school to get a masters and gender studies and then another 3 years getting settled in her career, you got a woman who is not having kids in almost her entire biological prime.
but schlomo loves women who do that because he gets all the wagies he needs and then he can outsource reproduction by bringing over 5 million jeets.
realistically, women need to have some way to have kids in their early/mid 20s
mrstorydude@reddit
tl;dr: Your narrative is wrong because only 0.81% of women in Canada are in a graduate program at any given time which is bad because Canada is the country with the largest educated population percentage in the world, also men exist and are also very likely to get graduate degrees but we ignore them cause they don't fit your narrative.
Let's go to the most well educated countries in the world which apparently are Canada and Russia (both have 54% tertiary level educations completed)
Generally, women are 60% more likely to get a graduate level degree than a man which using really shoddy math (I'm a mathematician, what did you expect good math?) means that 62.5% of all graduate degrees belong to women.
In Canada, about 230k people are in a master's degree program at any given time and for every 8 people in a master's degree program, 1 person is in a doctoral degree so I'll add an extra 29,000 people to that count for a total of 259k people in a graduate degree at any given time.
This means that about 162,000 women at any given time are in a graduate program in Canada
Canada has a population of 40 million, 20 million women assuming a perfectly fair split.
This means that at any given time, 0.81% of all Canadian women are in a graduate program.
I don't think that less than a single percent is going to be the reason why women aren't willing to have kids, we're also ignoring the other 37.5% of men that aren't getting the degree because they don't fit your narrative.
Note: this is the most educated country. Literally every other country in the world except Russia is going to have a smaller portion of their female populace in a graduate program.
StevesterH@reddit
mrstorydude@reddit
What did you expect out of me? Good mathematics? Fuck no, if I wanted to be good at math I would've majored in like physics or something
InfamousService2723@reddit
didn't read since you lost me at the first sentence. 0.81% of women being in the graduate program doesn't disprove anything.
logic failure 101
mrstorydude@reddit
Your whole entire argument is that women are overeducated, unless you want to try to larp that you were actually never serious and that there was a deeper argument involved ofc.
Jolly-Garbage-7458@reddit
He essentially just said they don't have enough time to focus on having children and raising them. Didn't read what you typed either.
tuigger@reddit
Kek @ "schlomo" Your power level is showing
HarryPhajynuhz@reddit
It’s kinda too late honestly. If all the women left the workforce that would have a similar effect - less tax income for the government to pay for social security.
We might have to just ban contraceptives and abortions.
AMC2Zero@reddit
That won't work either, all you'll get is a bunch 0of broken families and a worse standard of living, then an even worse birth rate afterwards, ask Romania.
hussainhssn@reddit
None, because anyone advocating for that is a fucking piece of shit. Pretty straightforward.
Zzamumo@reddit
well if one income was enough to sustain a family i know more than a few people that'd be more than willing to be stay at home parents. The problem is that for most people, it isn't
StevesterH@reddit
Is single individual income not enough for household in uber worker oriented countries? France and Norway for example?
Individual-Cap838@reddit
Maybe if people were less greedy than one income would be enough to sustain a family.
But no, everyone needs their newest devices, expensive food and drinks, expensive hobbies etc.
Zzamumo@reddit
This is literally the "iphone avocado toast" argument lmao. You are a parody of yourself
CaptDrunkenstein@reddit
You are halfway there. But it isn't consumers that need to be less greedy, it's wealthy business owners, tech moguls, and political elites who are keeping more and more of the pie we are all competing for. This directly makes the middle class smaller and smaller. And it takes normal people longer to get to a life stage where they are capable of having children without living in complete misery.
To buy or even to rent a house to put these kids in, to afford their education in a district that hopefully doesn't have drug problems or school shootings, to buy them food and clothes, to get nannies and babysitters and all that shit so the parents can continue to work, all these things have gotten insanely expensive and impossible on one income, or even a lot of combined incomes. Especially if the prospective parents have student debt, grad student debt, housing debt, vehicle debt, and god help them if they have credit card debt.
It's a rigged game and you are blaming people for treading water with their feet tied together trying to get by and maybe have a family, while the 870 US billionaires collect houses and planes and islands and cars like Magic cards.
I'm pretty conservative, but I'm also not buying these regards regarded snake oil. The cock riding of the ultra rich by dumb poors baffles me.
Lolazaurus@reddit
Jesus Christ what am out of touch comment. You really just hit them with the "Stop eating so much avocado toast, the economy's fine".
Personal-Weekend-582@reddit
It's all the opposite, women in the richest countries don't want anything to do with children and men, (norway, switzerland, Netherland, etc..) whereas most poor third world shitholes are struggling with overpopulation
We just need to become uneducated and too poor to afford condoms, problem solved
vmpafq@reddit
I see pretty women every morning in the rat race and wonder why the hell they chose this lifestyle. Most of them have pets in place of children.
DrDMango@reddit
School, college, and kids’ surroundings prepare them and push them towards a career, not a family… almost at all
tuigger@reddit
Or just import young people.
placeholder-123@reddit
Lol this would fix absolutely nothing, in some countries of Europe we have so many worker's protections it's hardly possible to even create a business and yet our birth rate is shit
yeFoh@reddit
spoiler alert they're not being enforced nearly enough for small and medium companies.
placeholder-123@reddit
Trust me they are, I work in a small business and I'm in constant contact with the CEO advising him on stuff and I can see firsthand how suffocating this bullshit is.
We don't more communism, more socialism, more equality, more security, we need less of those things. Like the czech guy in OP said we need to call the experiment off, take away women's "right" to be a corporate slave, and make people responsible for their life choices.
InfamousService2723@reddit
this will never work because many countries will just elect a justin trudeau who tanks affordability and fills the labor need with a bunch of jeets
amir1234560@reddit
Debunked by the existence of Scandinavian countries.
Try again.
mrstorydude@reddit
This was from the perspective of Taiwan and the Philippines.
Probably should've clarified that tbh.
TheIlluminatedDragon@reddit
Subsidize married parenthood. Make it easier and cheaper to have children and provide incentives to not get abortions.
Stinky_WhizzleTeats@reddit
As yes CZ stands for Philippines
Robber_Baron44@reddit (OP)
Thanks, Sherlock
United_States_ClA@reddit
Oh my god a real life top 1% poster??? Can you autograph my reddit vault plssss
JojiImpersonator@reddit
Reddit did a lot of people dirty with that flair of shame
KneeDeepInTheDead@reddit
I dont see any flairs, is that a new reddit thing?
_Rook_Castle@reddit
The Virgin label.
DraconianDebate@reddit
Top 1% Commenter
_Rook_Castle@reddit
That's how I know.
sinbe@reddit
I thought it’s from not getting pussy?
Robber_Baron44@reddit (OP)
It's really easy to get that. And stop with casual redditry
United_States_ClA@reddit
Oh no I'm not brave enough for ranked redditry
perfectly_stable@reddit
the meta is actually easy, just use the "rehash the already established karma farming opinions" ability 10 times a day on popular subreddits. You'll be rank 1 Soy in no time
dincosire@reddit
True. We should become professional redditors like yourself.
Stinky_WhizzleTeats@reddit
👍
easterner1848@reddit
What difference does it make? If it’s not in the USA it’s pretty much just the rest of the world - all inferior and the same.
yohkel@reddit
Ah yes, Japan and Norway. Identical and inferior to the US on every metric.
easterner1848@reddit
What are those? Like a new TikTok trend dance? Sorry I’m not a zoomer I don’t follow new trends.
Lerdidnothingwrong@reddit
Whats that in burger units?
Moderate_dis_dick@reddit
America is #1!!! 🇺🇸 🦅 🎇
brinz1@reddit
I mean, its a poor but growing country famous for hardline conservative politicians and sex tourism.
Stinky_WhizzleTeats@reddit
Yeah but if you had to live in one or the other. I know which one you’d pick
brinz1@reddit
The one with less gypsies?
Agisek@reddit
Is this the kind of funny statement that's supposed to somehow fit both countries in order to claim they're basically the same?
Because Czechia is the least religious country on the planet, it's also more advanced than USA (ok this one is true about the Philippines too) and it's not known for sex tourism, but for the best porn stars.
No idea where the hard-line conservatives figure, I don't care about politics, since the planet will be rendered unsuitable for habitation long before politicians make a decision on anything.
Legoking@reddit
Czillipines
FraudulentBaldy@reddit
The joke is the flag regard-kun
t-60@reddit
Yes it's Philippines, CZ is the shortened of province name anon posted. Cebuano Zone
IrregularrAF@reddit
We're Filipino deep down in a Filipinas gootz
InfamousService2723@reddit
FilipinX*
IrregularrAF@reddit
just shid an came
Stinky_WhizzleTeats@reddit
Where my pinay queen
edotman@reddit
Look at the flag. It's clearly alternate-reality phillipines
Accomplished-Tap8598@reddit
Trump won
no one can tell foreigners apart anymore
Different-Rush7489@reddit
Redditors say "stupid asian misogyny" or "barbaric asian work culture", conveniently ignoring that Nordic countries that excels in those areas still have dropping birthrates. Problem is le money
Gaitville@reddit
If rising income and worker protections led to increase birth rates then the chart for income to children would be inverse but pretty much in any society the poorest, least educated, and lowest quality of life living individuals tend tend to have the most amount of kids.
RadaRAW@reddit
Wait, he has a point
Tiled_Window@reddit
Legalize polygamy?
Asscrackistan@reddit
Reduce urbanization (kids take up space in cramped apartments, kids are free labor on farms), outlaw abortion, institute a one child minimum policy, tax breaks, etc.
FyreLordPlayz@reddit
except increased urbanization goes hand in hand with a more developed economy
Asscrackistan@reddit
The economy reaches higher peaks, but much like the summit of Everest, it becomes suffocating.
DrDMango@reddit
Thanks for the poetry, Asscrackistan
DrDMango@reddit
Thanks for the poetry, Asscrackistan
DrDMango@reddit
Thanks for the wisdom, Asscrackistan
MericanMeal@reddit
What the hell would the logistics on a 1 child minimum look like?
vmpafq@reddit
Do it, or else
MericanMeal@reddit
Don't worry mister government, I am just waiting until age 69 to nut inside a woman/be nutted in, no laws being broken here :)
jmlinden7@reddit
1 child minimum policy would just get the birthrate to exactly 1 unless people actively want to have more than 1 kid
vmpafq@reddit
Women need to be pushed to remember the joy of motherhood and satisfying their natural drives. Too many women resist biology and make themselves sad.
Asscrackistan@reddit
It’s a good start since many forgo reproduction as it is.
DisbarredCoast@reddit
One child minimum policy? Nah this is some communist libtard shit
don_Mugurel@reddit
Make alcohol cheap.
New_Series3209@reddit
Anon is right
LowOwl4312@reddit
Abe was KILLED for politely asking peoe to have sex
mrstorydude@reddit
The man was killed because he supported a cult which stole a lot of money and give a lot of kickbacks.
Although him begging people to have kids without actually making it a reasonable thing to do in the major cities probably didn't help.
CarbonBasedLifeForm6@reddit
Never understood how they want people to have more kids but make it hard and expensive to raise kids
JootDoctor@reddit
Literally the western world.
meatenjoyer618@reddit
I'm out of the loop. Is this about the Unification Church?
big_whistler@reddit
How are you out of the loop if you know about it
meatenjoyer618@reddit
I had to copy paste the regard's comment into chatgpt and ask "is this true? shinzo abe"
Loli_Boi@reddit
Based off what I remember, just some random cult which I have no idea what they worship, but what I do know is that they basically guilt you into giving them your money, belongings, etc until you have nothing. From what I remember the dude who killed him had a mother who gave them (the cult) everything (money, valuables, deed to house) and took advantage of her. Since he knows that Shinzo Abe is a big part of the cult he decided the way he gets his revenge and spotlight on the cult is by killing someone of importance.
------------5@reddit
It actually worked since the whole event led to scrutiny of the cult (supposedly at least).
Local-Scroller@reddit
I remember that the guy actually planned to kill someone else who wasn’t there, and that Abe was the spontaneous plan B
Loli_Boi@reddit
Ahh that must’ve been it, im just going off of other comments I read when it first happened
IGargleGarlic@reddit
FTFY
YourBobsUncle@reddit
the_marxman@reddit
I'm pretty sure they shot Lincoln for different reasons.
Stinky_WhizzleTeats@reddit
He just played shogi with the cult leaders no big dealio
Nasapigs@reddit
Who hasn't?
Iamkillboy@reddit
Duality of Filipinos is my new band name. Thanks
InfamousService2723@reddit
FilipinX if you're not a bigot*
ReplyAfraid7913@reddit
I will strangle you with a poison ivy rope
mythicallizardmusic@reddit
I'd love to help you perform such an altruistic act
ReplyAfraid7913@reddit
Get the razor blades, make sure it's rusty and a little dull
Sniper_231996@reddit
My mummy went to Vietnam today. They gave her nice fruits to eat she said. Thank you anons <3
Frogtarius@reddit
Promote the 4 day work week.
ElezerHan@reddit
Make living easier, women doesnt have to work to earn a living till their 30's. But that will never happen because importing slave labour who multiply like rabbits will always be cheaper for companies
home_rolled@reddit
3rd anon is based, but it's more than that. Because of inflation and wages not rising to meet it (like has traditionally happened throughout modern history), many, many people are literally just scraping by. The lower classes pump out kids like it's a job because it is, the more production the baby factory makes the bigger the public assistance check gets. The working class however is so financially strained that having kids just doesn't make financial sense, not to mention the social hellworld you'd be bringing said child into
tuigger@reddit
Nobody is living well on welfare, and they certainly aren't having kids to stay on it. They're having kids because they can't afford long term birth control.
Any woman who doesn't want kids and can afford something like Mirena will get it.
vmpafq@reddit
You are completely wrong. Especially in leftist countries, there are women living off their kids child support payments from the government. If you have multiple kids you have enough assistance money to rent a nice house.
home_rolled@reddit
You could not be more ignorant to the truth of my city. I live in the hood. The women here have child after child after child, and their entire lives are paid for. Apartment subsidized, "cash allowance" to buy anything and everything they need/want, SNAP benefits pay for all food, and half of them have boyfriends that work or deal drugs but are not claimed as part of the household
This made me lol audibly. Since the time they were born into a similar household to the one they have now themselves, these women have been on Medicaid, which is called MassHealth where I'm from. No out of pocket costs for anything, ever. Prescriptions, emergency room, surgery, nothing. Seeing this go on all around me for all these years has given me serious pause as to why I bother working at all. Their entire lives are lived for free
Hepu@reddit
You will spend significantly more raising a child then any public assistance will get you
kenjimuto@reddit
Make fucking great again
Holyrain101@reddit
Pay people to have kids and make child care cheap and accessible
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-08-16/japan-miracle-town-birth-rate-depopulation-crisis
EXQUISITE_WIZARD@reddit
How to convince people we need to continue exploiting them without them making a fuss and also letting us do it harder and harder as we see fit?
bunker_man@reddit
Incentivize having kids. Free childcare, heavy tax breaks, etc.
ArtisticPeak1300@reddit
Mitoses
hotboytr34@reddit
Where is site link ?
Salaino0606@reddit
the bottom answer
Rydagod1@reddit
Take DNA from the best humans and grow millions of people from cloning pods. The state can collectively raise them or couples could adopt some.
Bernarddasbrot@reddit
Or the government pays women as surrogate mothers until we have cloning pods.
fine93@reddit
i identify as pinoy today and i volunteer my ding dong
no lady boys please!
hussainhssn@reddit
It’s funny hearing virgins talk about women because all of the solutions mentioned to this problem are rage filled retardation.
some_guy554@reddit
Why is a Taiwanese asking this question? Didn't they just legalize porn?
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