Scientists warn that a key Atlantic current could collapse, among other climate tipping points
Posted by MidnightMoon1331@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 88 comments
ebostic94@reddit
Just collapse is already ongoing. This is why the waters are hot and this is why the winter will fall. Didn’t fully kick in North America yet
fitbootyqueenfan2017@reddit
my super good idea is to take all the tug boats in the world and push the ice bergs back up and down.
Ok_Treat_7288@reddit
Perfect! But we need ropes big enough to surround the bergs. They're big. I'll get right on it.
cilvher-coyote@reddit
Up And Down you say? That's getting pretty technical....
ebostic94@reddit
Are you trolling me because that is not logical?
fitbootyqueenfan2017@reddit
oui oui :D
BeardedGlass@reddit
November Heat
Helen sat at her kitchen table in western Massachusetts, deliberately not looking at the thermometer outside her window. Her daughter Sarah was at it again, pacing the linoleum floor like a doomsday prophet, iPhone clutched in her hand like it was broadcasting the word of God himself.
"Mom, please," Sarah said, her voice tight with that anxiety Helen had always blamed on too much internet. "They're evacuating half of Vermont. The fires are—"
"Oh, for heaven's sake." Helen stirred her coffee with more force than necessary. "There have always been forest fires. And dry spells. When I was teaching, we had plenty of warm Novembers." She didn't mention that 'warm' back then had meant fifty degrees, not today's sixty-eight. She didn't think about how she'd had to pack away her sweaters this year, still unworn.
Sarah stopped pacing, her face flushed. "Right. Just like there were always hurricanes, right? That's what you said last year when I begged you to install storm shutters. Before that category five took out half the coast. Just like there were always droughts, before the Colorado River died. Just like—"
"I don't need a lecture from my own daughter." Helen's voice had that sharp edge she'd used on stubborn students for forty years. "I've lived through every doomsday prediction they could dream up. Y2K. Nuclear winter. Acid rain. The ozone hole. And here we still are."
"Jesus Christ, Mom." Sarah slumped against the counter, suddenly looking older than her thirty-five years. "You know what your problem is? You think this is an argument you need to win. Like it's parent-teacher night and you're defending your curriculum. But nature doesn't care if you believe in it or not. It's not a democracy."
Helen opened her mouth to respond, but her words were cut off by the emergency alert sound from both their phones. Sarah grabbed hers first, her face draining of color as she read.
"They're evacuating Hampshire County," she said, her voice hollow. "The Berkshire fires jumped the firebreak. They're saying the wind—" She stopped, looking up at her mother. "Mom, we have to go. Now."
Helen wanted to argue. Wanted to tell her daughter she was being dramatic again. But through the kitchen window, she could see the sky had taken on that strange copper color she'd only ever seen in news footage from California. The wind that rattled her windows carried the smell of woodsmoke, and not the cozy kind from her neighbor's fireplace.
Her phone buzzed again. Then again. Emergency alerts stacked up like playing cards: Mandatory evacuation. Road closures. Air quality warnings. The maple tree she and George had planted thirty-five years ago cast flickering shadows on her kitchen floor. Its leaves, confused by the endless warm autumn, had never fully turned. Now they might never get the chance.
"I never thought..." Helen's voice trailed off as ash began to drift past her window like gray snow, settling on her November roses that hadn't known to die back this year. In the distance, she could hear sirens.
Sarah was already pulling her go-bag from the closet – the one Helen had mocked her for leaving here. "Never thought what, Mom?"
Helen stood up slowly, her coffee forgotten. "Never thought it would happen here," she said softly. "To us."
The wind picked up outside, hot and hungry, and Helen finally understood what Sarah had been trying to tell her all along: nature didn't care what you believed. It just was. And now it was coming for them all, believers and deniers alike.
"Come on," Sarah said, taking her mother's arm. "We need to go. Now."
As Helen let herself be led to the door, she thought about all those school board meetings where she'd argued against updating the science curriculum to include climate change. All those Thanksgiving dinners where she'd dismissed Sarah's concerns as millennial anxiety. All those years of certainty, crumbling like ash in the November heat.
The emergency sirens wailed across the valley, singing a song of too little, too late.
(by Claude)
littlepup26@reddit
What is this from? I tried googling it and nothing came up.
jambokk@reddit
Claude is an AI
Striper_Cape@reddit
There is a bomb cyclone forming off the coast of Northern California, Oregon, and Washington. In November. On the East coast of the Pacific Ocean. The Jet Stream should have obliterated it before it had a chance to form.
We've definitely upended the cart.
curiousgardener@reddit
My elderly dad just flew into Vancouver to care for a friend who shattered five ribs on a late vacation.
I told them to hunker down before the cyclone hit the island, with medical supplies to care for his friends developing cough in hand, but I really don't know if he took me seriously.
He's in his late 70s, with a shitty hip/spine, and uses a cane.
Last thing we need is another senior with a bunch of busted ribs wandering around Robson Street looking for cough suppressant.
Psychological-Sport1@reddit
hope that the guy with broken ribs has been looked at by a doctor (my uncle broke three ribs about a month ago and passed away shortly thereafter because complications)!!
curiousgardener@reddit
Aw thank you for your concern!
The reason my dad flew in was to make sure his friend actually went for medical treatment. The fellow had to be marched into the ER, but once he was there, our Canadian system pulled through with a full workup.
I told my dad to contact social workers as well, since his friend is a bit...well older these days, and doesn't have a working cell, let alone smart phone.
They played Marco Polo at the Vancouver International Airport when they met up. My dad from Alberta, his friend at arrivals from overseas.
Anyone else stressed out just thinking about it?
Happy to report both are safe and hunkered down in a high-rise. Lamenting a lack of cards for playing cribbage, however 😂
Much love to you ❤️
dumnezero@reddit
Sometimes experience defeats fears, other times it doesn't. You could call it regenerative fear.
DS_Unltd@reddit
This storm is a bit stronger than usual, but having storms like this at this time of the year in this location is normal.
That being said, yeah, shit's going downhill fast.
Striper_Cape@reddit
Uh, these things used to hit every 20-40 years. Not every few years. We've had records going back to 1880 showing they are happening with increased frequency. The Jet Stream does not normally sit so far down in this flat manner.
KeithGribblesheimer@reddit
Don't worry, man, the Trump administration will just erase those records.
Ok_Scallion1902@reddit
Break out those gold-plated Sharpies....
Chill_Panda@reddit
drill baby, drill!
RN_Geo@reddit
And sell off NOAA so we won't have any warning.
Can't identify the storms, can't identify new, worrying trends (taps temple) am I right??
KeithGribblesheimer@reddit
Works every time!
RN_Geo@reddit
Strong ARs is essentially the only precip we get in California anymore. The incoming one is big but nothing particularly out of the "normal" as far as ARs go.
Striper_Cape@reddit
It's not just an AR, it's a bomb cyclone
RN_Geo@reddit
Let me gues... you get excited when you hear El Nino and LA Nina too?
I get it, it's a big low.pressure system. It might cause flooding. And yes, it's not normal on a long term scale. But it's not entirely abnormal either and if we didn't have these huge rain events, just about everything south of about the Columbia River would be a dessert within a generation. I'll take it.
Striper_Cape@reddit
https://www.koin.com/weather/bomb-cyclone-to-drop-inches-of-rain-snow-on-the-pacific-northwest/
smallcanadien@reddit
I know, I feel like I get more afraid every day, even though I thought I couldn’t get any more afraid.
Healthy-Art5253@reddit
This is literally the scenario that plays out in The Day After Tomorrow
leisure_suit_lorenzo@reddit
Yeah but then the ice age inducing hurricanes started freezing everything... I don't think we are getting any of those.
Healthy-Art5253@reddit
We're looking at a 5° drop in ocean temps. It happened 12k years ago. Obviously the movie is a dramatization but there will be increased "acts of God" weather events over the coming decades.
The earth will maintain homeostasis. The ice caps will melt, freezing the earths circulatory system causing a new ice age. The earth will be fine. Will we?
Mammoth-Disaster3873@reddit
Yes! The earth would be going through these changes even if humans didn't exist.. it's the natural cycle. We are of course speeding it up in terms of human lifespan, but on geological time scales we're not much of an impact... it's going to happen one way or another. The only thing that will ever end life on this planet will be when our core stops spinning or some cosmic event that wipes our atmosphere. Just as the earth will have many more ice ages, the earth will someday form a new super continent and then end up like Mars or Venus and at some point it won't exist at all.
leisure_suit_lorenzo@reddit
If the currents stop, it would freeze in places where warm water would no longer circulate, but what about parts of the world where cold water would no longer circulate? Would those places just continue to increase in temperature?
Healthy-Art5253@reddit
In the younger dryas period, our most comparable time period, the northern hemisphere cooled while the southern hemisphere experienced warming.
3-11 degrees of cooling in Europe and 0.5 - 3.5 degrees F
Increases in the temperature differential = adverse weather
Healthy-Art5253@reddit
I.e heat gets trapped towards the equator and the southern hemisphere and northern hemisphere cools dramatically as there is no circulation.
leisure_suit_lorenzo@reddit
The average atmospheric CO2 concentration back then was 240ppm though. It's now close to 200ppm higher than that. I think it's becoming a little challenging to make a linear comparison.
Healthy-Art5253@reddit
So it's worse....
Healthy-Art5253@reddit
If the earth doesn't "snap back" we'll experience global sea level rise. Either way doesn't look good
Healthy-Art5253@reddit
A cataclysmic event would have the same short term impact on CO2 levels as human industrialism has over the past 200 years
Healthy-Art5253@reddit
During the younger dryas it was a comet that caused the caps to melt. We are the proverbial comet.
Agile-Shower3274@reddit
Coincidentally, The Day After Tomorrow and Twister are trending on Peacock streaming.
Healthy-Art5253@reddit
My girlfriend had never seen it. My 9th grade science teacher made us watch it. We watched it over the weekend and then I saw this lol
VegetableShip@reddit
from a major media source, good, good
embrace the suck
Twisted_Cabbage@reddit
I read this in Emperor Palpatine's voice.
Mammoth-Disaster3873@reddit
Goooood goooooood
daviddjg0033@reddit
Twitter: YOU TRUST MSM NBC? YOU SHOULD KYS Yeah don't scroll down to comments: type in climate on Twitter you get a shitshow
Colosseros@reddit
https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/no-i-dont-think-i-will
daviddjg0033@reddit
I love Reddit. Honestly, do not go on Twitter. There only are like three to follow: Prof Elliot Jacobsen, @extremetemperatures, and @LeonSimons8. Hope that BlueSky works.
swoonin@reddit
I signed up for Elliot Jacobsen's newsletter but he rarely publishes essays, just posts on Twitter which I refuse to go on. I sure wish he would get off Twitter and go to Bluesky. Come on Elliot, please!!!!
Imaginary_Bug_3800@reddit
https://bsky.app/profile/climatecasino.net
swoonin@reddit
Yay! Getting on Bluesky today!
Majestic-Train-5448@reddit
I left Twitter to follow Elliot to Bluesky. I have to say it’s pretty much troll/bot free.
CollapseBy2022@reddit
I couldn't stand having an account, so now I'm missing out on Eliot and Leon.
Could you tell them to go to BlueSky?
teamsaxon@reddit
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/no-i-dont-think-i-will
Fixed that google tracker for you
Nicetitts@reddit
TheArctopus@reddit
I'm genuinely concerned about how inured I've become to apocalyptically awful news. I read the article, didn't feel a thing, got to this paragraph, rolled my eyes, opened a new tab to spend a few minutes doing an annoying conversion from Freedom Units to Rest of the World Including Northern Europe Units, tabbed back, kept reading, and found that the conversion had already been done and included further in the article.
So now I'm profoundly irritated by both the fahrenheit system and NBC's editorial standards, which I feel probably isn't the correct emotional response to learning the AMOC is showing further signs of collapse.
rockyharbor@reddit
so skiing is back on the table? /s
-Planet-@reddit
But will it SLAM!?
OuterLightness@reddit
On the bright side, soon we won’t have to worry about the climate collapsing anymore, because it will be done.
loco500@reddit
That's cute: Could...More like it's already started to...
fitbootyqueenfan2017@reddit
2 many of our ice cubes in the wrong spot man
afternever@reddit
Babe, key Atlantic current just dropped
Ok_Scallion1902@reddit
Wouldn't that turn the UK into an icycle ?
MidnightMoon1331@reddit (OP)
A new report describes the dire state of Earth’s snow and ice, suggesting several major tipping points are likelier than scientists once thought.
This is collapse related as it discusses the collapse of the AMOC and other climate collapses.
Odd_Aardvark6407@reddit
Haven't we already passed many tipping points? Like, we're not coming back from this. Are they talking about other tipping points after the AMOC collapse? I mean, it's cool mainstream media is actually reporting on this. It's just pretty much said and done at this point.
MountainTipp@reddit
They all cling to hope, my friend. Hope or delusion or ignorance or a combination.
Odd_Aardvark6407@reddit
Ugh, that's exactly what it is. I've been in healthcare for 6 years. You know when a patient isn't going to make it. The Earth is that patient and it's going to make it but not with us. We're the virus the Earth needs to cleanse.
Logical-Race8871@reddit
This has very much been my experience watching this all unfold over the past 20 years. Gam gam's done, folks. We're not gonna do "that thing where you replace all her blood" or whatever.
MdxBhmt@reddit
We are not dealing with large accelerating and irreversible changes yet. Everything up to now is the accumulation of post industrial GHG pollution.
mangafan96@reddit
Another article about how we're close to a tipping point? Must be a day that ends in Y....
itsasnowconemachine@reddit
"The Greenland Ice Sheet is losing, on average, 30 million tons of ice per hour. "
I'm trying to picture this, and failing.
HannsGruber@reddit
https://i.imgur.com/ILTy7AL.png
The cube volume represents 30 million tons of ice. The plane is placed at the 6ft mark, to represent the height of a person.
CockItUp@reddit
That's per hour, now do per month.
HannsGruber@reddit
https://i.imgur.com/YdXLkei.jpeg
I manually measured in google earth and the cube is accurate enough assuming it's placed on one edge of central park. The size increases by just a little less than 9 times, but the volume is about 730 times greater.
GenXMillenial@reddit
Don’t look up
caramelcooler@reddit
Why couldn’t the media want us earlier?? This leaves us NO time to prepare!
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CockItUp@reddit
Nah, more like Chinese hoax.
NyriasNeo@reddit
I don't most people know the difference between an Atlantic current and an electric current, or between a tipping point and the tip of a pencil.
Scientists have been warning us for decades and what happened? We voted for drill baby drill in no uncertain term.
Forlaferob@reddit
Didn't expect mainstream media report on the amoc collapse so early lol
SanityRecalled@reddit
Another day, another piece of bad news about impending ecological disaster...
KeithGribblesheimer@reddit
Yeah, but eggs were expensive.
CaptinACAB@reddit
Meh, voting for that fascist might have made a lot of things worse, but honestly the climate was gonna do its thing no matter which petroleum shill won.
KeithGribblesheimer@reddit
Trump will accelerate the collapse by several years, but aside from that, you are correct. The Democrats were not doing that much to stop climate change, but at least they weren't trying to add nitrous to it.
Tsadkiel@reddit
will. It WILL collapse. Wtf is this "could" bullshit?
KeithGribblesheimer@reddit
Superman could show up and position rocks in orbit to deflect the sunlight. It's highly unlikely, but it is not impossible.
smallcanadien@reddit
So sick of the softening language.
StatementBot@reddit
The following submission statement was provided by /u/MidnightMoon1331:
A new report describes the dire state of Earth’s snow and ice, suggesting several major tipping points are likelier than scientists once thought.
This is collapse related as it discusses the collapse of the AMOC and other climate collapses.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1gucv9q/scientists_warn_that_a_key_atlantic_current_could/lxsw6z8/
cozycorner@reddit
Oh good.
hannahbananaballs2@reddit
Fucking not good
forthewatch39@reddit
Enough coulds, maybes and 100 years from now. We’re experiencing severe climate change NOW. Wildfires in November in the Northeast where it hasn’t rained for a considerable amount of time and it is over sixty degrees. We’re SCREWED.