Botham Jean's family suing Amber Guyger for millions
Posted by southernemper0r@reddit | Dallas | View on Reddit | 187 comments
Posted by southernemper0r@reddit | Dallas | View on Reddit | 187 comments
Fun-Conclusion-269@reddit
I hope they get every penny
envision83@reddit
She’s broke and in prison. They’re not getting a single penny.
GenConfusion@reddit
based on the article it appears they're suing mostly to pick up any money from any kind of books or movie deals. This way she wouldn't be able to profit off his killing. She doesn't seem to be contesting it though.
envision83@reddit
Not sure what kind of book or movie deal she could get. She walked into the wrong apartment and shot him. No big scandal or lead up or secrete covert operation going on. Just plain stupidity.
Surprised a lawyer would even entertain this.
Jedi71@reddit
She made a dumb mistake after a long day of policing. This would make a boring movie.
chrisofchris@reddit
How many times have you killed somebody after along day at work?
Jedi71@reddit
I don't make dumb mistakes like that. She did. I clearly stated that. Why is everyone so sensitive?
Sagikos@reddit
This week?
Reevus30@reddit
Yeah, I can't tell you how many times after a long day at work, I also will go into the wrong apartment and murder someone.
Jedi71@reddit
So you DO want to see a movie about this? What are you trying to say with your response to what I said?
A_Homestar_Reference@reddit
I feel like most people say they wouldn't do something stupid until they do it.
Reevus30@reddit
Tf does this even mean? Trying to trivialize something like murder as "stupid" is such a bitch move. Why are you even on Reddit right now? I'm sure there's a boot out there that's begging to be licked right now.
FoundingFeathers@reddit
Also wasn't Amber being extra loud and she had to basically kick down the door to get in?
A_Homestar_Reference@reddit
Why are you so angry? Calm down dude. Go outside or something.
poundtown1997@reddit
Yeah killing some one in their own home is “something stupid” we’re all capable of doing. Totally!!
FoundingFeathers@reddit
And the people acting like you are talking crazy. Are being highly reductive of the circumstances. I want to know the story about the "drug deal gone bad" killing of Joshua Brown.
I heard Joshua Brown wasn't even a weed smoker? Or whatever the dudes that shot him, he would generally have nothing to do with? People who care and that are serious might be able to enlighten me on how coincidental all that was.
A_Homestar_Reference@reddit
I'm just saying you never know. Better to not find out though.
ppham1027@reddit
I don't know why these people are yelling at you. I make dumb mistakes all the time too when I'm tired like putting on my shirt inside out, forgetting to pick up something at the store, or emptying my pistol into an innocent man who was just watching tv in his apartment. Oopsies! I'm just so silly like that.
FearerOfonomatopoeia@reddit
Lots of people want to hear a story of a cop defending themselfs being "unfairly" prosecuted. Even to this day, you can still saying "Wow wow, I want to hear the full story? She was a jumpy drunk cop who broke into someone's apartment and killed them? No clearly, that's not the full story. He must have did something and FAFO! He must have won stupid prizes!"
QuintoxPlentox@reddit
The whole FAFO thing is so intellectually shallow, it exceedingly proves the need for an impartial justice system. People are idiots.
FearerOfonomatopoeia@reddit
Yeah, It seems like I only read FAFO when the victim is the lowest of society. Never the highest of society, and if it is, then "FAFO" means a fine, not death.
I'll never seen a cop getting hurt with the description "FAFO" but the lowest of society?
I saw a tiktok video a while ago. It was of a homeless man in the NY subway system, who was tweaking out on a subway seat (whatever he was on drugs, or just mentally ill from years on the street) who was making a weird sound, and moving his arms in a weird way in-front of him. But at no point he threatened anyone.
Comments were saying saying he should FAFO and demanding his death.
And I need to ask, if that was a armed cop doing that, would anyone say that?
Some will say "Wow, you don't know what its like to deal with homeless people, one homeless person stabbed someone!", to which I have to respond: I haven't dealt with troublesome homeless people, but I have been threatened at gunpoint by a cop before, and I'd rather deal with a unarmed homeless person next to me on a subway car than a cop.
Normal-Anywhere3566@reddit
Only crime he was committing was possession of marijuana on which he was smoking at the time of Amber breaking into his house and shooting him. You using mental gymnastics to justify it’s his fault he got shot. He was in his house dude. Ridiculous
countessjonathan@reddit
I see you’ve met my mother
tx4468@reddit
Hulu and HBO recently made entire productions about an axe murder hardly anyone heard of in Wylie in the 70s.
Golden4LeggedTable@reddit
Secret**
amithecrazyone69@reddit
Probably a djt production
GenConfusion@reddit
Just because you or I can't see it, doesn't mean it's not possible. I would say it's a smart move, it doesn't hurt them to get a judgement. They are probably getting free legal assistance.
envision83@reddit
Maybe.
NoReplyBot@reddit
You know MAGA will try to make her a hero. Book deal, every fringe podcast will host her, special addition skoal flavor. Sue her to ensure she can’t make a penny off the killing.
69HogDaddy69@reddit
lol maga really does live rent free in yalls head
Oldsalty420@reddit
Rent Free in 1600 Pennsylvania is what you meant
A_Homestar_Reference@reddit
Why would she even do that though?
NoReplyBot@reddit
💴 for starters.
A_Homestar_Reference@reddit
Not everyone cares only about money. Assuming she would only care about that feels like projecting.
NoReplyBot@reddit
Do you even know what projecting means? 🤦♂️
Now let’s think about this logically. She is a convicted felon for murder. Will likely be unemployed when released and income restraints.
Makes sense now?
A_Homestar_Reference@reddit
Are you arguing that logically she should try to do that? I think you underestimate the impact of the human psyche on making logical decisions. If I killed someone and was convicted for murder I'd want to bury that shit as much as possible. Why would I make a movie deal?
IveKnownItAll@reddit
Son of Sam laws already exist for that, they don't need to sue
YaGetSkeeted0n@reddit
Don't so-called Son of Sam laws prevent that anyway?
Sagikos@reddit
You sell your whole life story as a memoir rather than “just” the crime part - then they can make a movie or book or something out of JUST the crime part and you get away with it. You’re not profiting off the crime, the movie studio is - you profited off your full life-story.
GenConfusion@reddit
you sent me on a bit of a chase as I wasn't aware of the concept. It looks like these laws aren't super successful as well meaning as they are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_Sam_law
https://www.texastribune.org/2010/06/29/john-cornyn-seeks-to-ban-murderabilia/ <- old but interesting article about the "murdeabilia" industry.
Realistic-Molasses-4@reddit
I mean, there's always OnlyFans
Elguapo69@reddit
They can still guarantee if she comes into some money down the road it’s they will get paid and make her life miserable
envision83@reddit
Filing bankruptcy will pretty much put a stop to all of that.
noncongruent@reddit
If bankruptcy was a full shield against civil judgements then Ghouliani wouldn't have had to hand over the keys to his 'Benz, rings, and other valuables to the people that won their defamation lawsuit against him.
SargeUnited@reddit
That’s because he had the means to repay before the bankruptcy. She’s poor now, so she can file bankruptcy for the judgments before she ever stops being poor.
noncongruent@reddit
Ghouliani tried to use bankruptcy to get out of paying the judgement against him, but the judge threw that bankruptcy out of his courtroom.
SargeUnited@reddit
Yes I’m aware that he was unsuccessful and then I think he showed up to vote in one of the cars that was supposed to be surrendered. How is that relevant to this situation?
envision83@reddit
Oh I didn’t realize this was in Georgia and a defamation suite.
Complex_Win_5408@reddit
All that would do is halt it. As soon as she comes out, they'd go for her again.
deja-roo@reddit
??
Bankruptcy literally ends the debt obligations.
USS_Slowpoke@reddit
Well maybe a penny. Prison pays them like $2/hr for doing stuff i think.
garrettgravley@reddit
They can still be creditors and go after any assets she has.
If they win, that is.
Kyosuke-D@reddit
She lived in an apartment in Dallas, she had no assets lol
holmiez@reddit
Im sure the back the blue crowd will run a gofundme
PomeloPepper@reddit
What's the point in murdering a witness after they testify?
One_Salamander_9701@reddit
Record scratch- what?
WeAteMummies@reddit
A guy who lived in the complex and heard to it happen was killed shortly after the trial ended. There were a lot of conspiracy theories at the time (and apparently still are). They did actually catch the guys https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/09/us/amber-guyger-witness-murder/index.html
Of course the conspiracy theorists will just say that they were framed.
One_Salamander_9701@reddit
Man, if I heard about his death, I forgot!! I remember his face though!
WeAteMummies@reddit
yeah they did. https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/09/us/amber-guyger-witness-murder/index.html
Fun_Association_2277@reddit
Hey! I live in an apartment in Dallas…we are people too you know.
Majsharan@reddit
…🧐Poor people 🧐… /s incase that’s not obvious
envision83@reddit
Filing bankruptcy would pretty much put a stop to all of that.
AffectionateKey7126@reddit
She doesn’t even need to do that. Basically impossible to collect on a judgement in Texas.
ItsMinnieYall@reddit
They may have a way to collect some funds. The columbine victims were paid from the home owners insurance of the shooters.
Different_Chair_3454@reddit
My thoughts exactly. You wanna get millions from an unemployed prisoner police officer ? Not gonna happen
93tilInfinityish@reddit
She could probably get another police job
envision83@reddit
Jokes aside I wouldn’t think she’d be legally allowed to carry anymore. She could do night security at a warehouse though.
FluidFisherman6843@reddit
Wait until you hear about the next president and attorney general.
aeroluv327@reddit
Wait until you hear how her trainer (and the guy she was having an affair with) shot and killed an unarmed teenager in 2007.
deja-roo@reddit
Uh.... no, she definitely couldn't....
F__kinTrav@reddit
The jury just awarded the family $100 million. They’re obviously not going to receive anything close to this. But, if she tries to profit off this tragedy or wins the lottery they’ll get every penny. Good for them.
Aleyla@reddit
Where would the money come from? Because I’m pretty sure she is judgement proof.
InevitableAd2436@reddit
Could be paid $10,000 for an appearance on a true crime podcast or some bullshit.
Jordan Van Der Sloot was trying to sell his story
F__kinTrav@reddit
That dude. I’m a fairly empathetic person…and I value life..human and otherwise. But if that dude did our species a solid and put himself head first into a wood chipper…I wouldn’t feel the least bit bad about it.
houdinishandkerchief@reddit
any future book or movie deals—it’s in the article. they’re getting ahead of it before she becomes the next right wing hero like kyle rittenhouse
domesticatedwolf420@reddit
Kyle did everything right. Amber didn't.
Cincodequatro82@reddit
Youre getting downvoted by the children (literal and figurative) found on this shit hole sub, but you're not wrong.
domesticatedwolf420@reddit
Comparing Kyle to Amber is a slap in the face to Botham Jean and his family.
jessreally@reddit
No it isn't.
domesticatedwolf420@reddit
Nice rebuttal, you really proved me wrong
jessreally@reddit
I gave what your comment was worth. Next time just say thanks
DungeonCrawlerCarl@reddit
I'm not sure intentionally putting yourself into the wrong place at the wrong time and then shooting people in self defense is considered by most as "did everything right"
domesticatedwolf420@reddit
In what way was he at the wrong place at the wrong time?
DungeonCrawlerCarl@reddit
If you're seriously asking that then there is nothing I can do for you.
domesticatedwolf420@reddit
I am seriously asking. I'm also curious to know if you think the protesters were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Aleyla@reddit
Sure, I’ll bite. Dude crossed state lines with a weapon. It wasn’t his community, it wasn’t his property, the protests going on were not his business.
He intentionally put himself in a highly provocative position. And then had to defend himself when that provocation was answered.
He could have avoided the entire affair if we would have simply let law enforcement handle it the way the city itself decided to do so.
Cincodequatro82@reddit
He drove a roughly equivalent distance as Cedar Hill is to Downtown Dallas. Huber (the skateboard wielding wife beater) and Grosskreutz (also armed but without a concealed carry license) drove similar distances to Kenosha. By your logic, it wasnt their community either, and they put themselves in a similarly provocative position.
thatprayerciaraprayd@reddit
Fuck off
Cincodequatro82@reddit
Very insightful
thatprayerciaraprayd@reddit
Because yours was so brilliant to begin with, lol.
Cincodequatro82@reddit
I wouldn't say it was brilliant. But, do tell, what exactly in my comment is incorrect?
Immature and childish responses such as "Fuck off" (which was conveniently deleted) don't give you the high ground you think it does.
thatprayerciaraprayd@reddit
Yeah…never said it gave me the high ground😂
Cincodequatro82@reddit
I think it's past your bedtime. Maybe you can come up with something approaching an intelligent argument after a good night's rest. I believe in you. Good evening to you..
thatprayerciaraprayd@reddit
Whatever helps you sleep at night bud. I just enjoy making sure trolls don’t have the last word ;)
Cincodequatro82@reddit
You really got me there. How will I ever recover?
thatprayerciaraprayd@reddit
U tell me!
Cincodequatro82@reddit
We've got a real mental giant here, folks.
TIL: laying out well-known and verifiable facts about a situation equals trolling. Trolling is totally not disputing the facts laid out in the comment and just responding with vulgarity and ad hominem. And as long as you call the other person a troll first, that makes you, by default, not the troll.
/s
thatprayerciaraprayd@reddit
Ok
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deja-roo@reddit
Which you are allowed to do, and I do all the time.
How do you figure? His dad lived in Kenosha. How were they any less his business than anyone else there?
noncongruent@reddit
Well, except for the whole conspiring to commit a straw purchase by agreeing to get his co-conspirator to lie on the 4473. BTW, both Kyle and Dominick testified to doing this in open court, on the record, under oath. They both testified that Dominick showed his newly purchased rifle to Kyle, that they went out to shoot it, that Kyle told Dominick that he wanted one of his own but couldn't buy one because he was 17 and thus a prohibited person, then discussing Kyle giving Dominick the money to buy it for him and telling Dominick which one he wanted, and even testified under oath that they discussed the fact that what they were going to do was illegal. When Dominick checked "yes" on box 21a of the 4473 he was lying, and the instructions on the back of the form explicitly describe this exact scenario as being illegal, and when he signed the bottom of the 4473 he committed a felony. The same exact felony that Hunter committed, BTW, you know, the one he's being prosecuted for. For the record, here's the 4473:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download
Here's the instruction for question 21.a.:
Question 21.a. Actual Transferee/Buyer: For purposes of this form, a person is the actual transferee/buyer if he/she is purchasing the firearm for him/herself or otherwise acquiring the firearm for him/herself. (e.g., redeeming the firearm from pawn, retrieving it from consignment, firearm raffle winner). A person is also the actual transferee/buyer if he/she is legitimately purchasing the firearm as a bona fide gift for a third party. A gift is not bona fide if another person offered or gave the person completing this form money, service(s), or item(s) of value to acquire the firearm for him/her, or if the other person is prohibited by law from receiving or possessing the firearm.
EXAMPLES: Mr. Smith asks Mr. Jones to purchase a firearm for Mr. Smith (who may or may not be prohibited). Mr. Smith gives Mr. Jones the money for the firearm. Mr. Jones is NOT THE ACTUAL TRANSFEREE/BUYER of the firearm and must answer “no” to question 21.a. The licensee may not transfer the firearm to Mr. Jones. However, if Mr. Brown buys the firearm with his own money to give to Mr. Black as a gift (with no service or tangible thing of value provided by Mr. Black),
Mr. Brown is the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm and should answer “yes” to question 21.a. However, the transferor/seller may not transfer a firearm to any person he/she knows or has reasonable cause to believe is prohibited under 18 U.S.C. § 922(g), (h), (n), or (x).
Just to make it even more clear, I'll change just the names and leave the rest of the wording identical:
EXAMPLES: Mr. Rittenhouse asks Mr. Dominick Black to purchase a firearm for Mr. Kyle Rittenhouse(who may or may not be prohibited). Mr. Kyle Rittenhouse gives Mr. Dominick Black the money for the firearm. Mr. Dominick Black is NOT THE ACTUAL TRANSFEREE/BUYER of the firearm and must answer “no” to question 21.a. The licensee may not transfer the firearm to Mr. Black. However, if Mr. Brown buys the firearm with his own money to give to Mr. Black as a gift (with no service or tangible thing of value provided by Mr. Black), Mr. Brown is the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm and should answer “yes” to question 21.a. However, the transferor/seller may not transfer a firearm to any person he/she knows or has reasonable cause to believe is prohibited under 18 U.S.C. § 922(g), (h), (n), or (x).
Now, you'll come back and try to say that Dominick was found innocent, but that was on state charges, not federal charges. He was never charged for the federal law violation. That's interesting that Hunter Biden would be charged, but not Dominick Black. The same Republicans droning incessantly about Hunter being guilty are strangely silent on Dominick Black not being charged.
There's zero doubt or ability to ignore the fact that Kyle and Dominick conspired to break federal law, discussed the fact that what they were going to do was a crime, and followed through on their intent to commit a federal felony. The question isn't their guilt or Kyle's central part of the conspiracy to commit a federal felony, it's really about why they weren't charged. That has every thing to do with politics and nothing to do with following the law. Hell, the DOJ wouldn't even need to call either to testify at their trial, nor would they need to introduce any evidence other than the court transcripts from the state trial where both admitted to the crime, on the record, under oath.
domesticatedwolf420@reddit
Ok then they should be charged with that crime.
Everything else that Kyle did was right.
Also fuck the ATF and shoutout to r/fosscad
noncongruent@reddit
Kyle shouldn't have had that rifle in the first place because he broke multiple federal laws getting it.
domesticatedwolf420@reddit
Then why was he not convicted of any gun charges?
noncongruent@reddit
He wasn't charged at the federal level, and that's a really good question given that they charged Hunter but didn't charge him. Bill Bar, a Trump appointee, was head of the DOJ at the time, he'd be the person to ask why he didn't charge Dominick and Black for their crimes.
PaulieNutwalls@reddit
Most Americans have zero recollection of this case.
CollegeNW@reddit
True. Saw title & only clicked because kinda recognized name, but couldn’t really remember where from. Read few comments to job memory and was like pretty sure I’m hitting this case confused with one where the female thought guy was in her apt. Anyhoo… this should tell you how little recollection I have, probably confusing with some other incident.
PaulieNutwalls@reddit
Yeah I've had friends visit from Chicago, Seattle, NYC, nobody remembers the case but very vaguely. Dallasites are more likely to. It's just not controversial outside the rumor there was a love triangle that was bullshit. She went to the wrong apartment, overreacted and murdered and innocent guy in his own apartment, and will do a decade in federal prison over it.
Aleyla@reddit
Whether you like the guy or not ( and I don’t ), you have to admit that there was at least a story to work with.
With Guyger there is nothing.
GoGoSoLo@reddit
Rittenhouse has no story except multiple adults in his life failing him and being mired in the propaganda that enabled him to cross state lines with an assault rifle. He's the culmination of the cross section of Republicanism that says you're better than minorities and should worship guns and the military because they're super cool.
ChadWestPaints@reddit
There's definitely some irony in saying this considering that this:
Is purely a story concocted by propagandists.
So Rittenhouse definitely does have a story. He has many, many stories. Theyre all the ones that liberals invented rather than just admitting that someone they dislike politically used a gun they dislike politically to defend himself against unprovoked attacks by people they do like politically.
GoGoSoLo@reddit
Not relitigating this with you and whatever smugness you seem to have oozing from you. The bottom line is that two people died that would be alive today if an unsupervised minor with a weapon he should not have had was not in a place he should not have been playing soldier.
You have a good one now.
ChadWestPaints@reddit
Thats a very bizarre and victim blame-y place to assign the blame. Shouldnt we saying something like "The bottom line is that two people died that would be alive today if three grown men hadn't decided to try to assault/murder a minor unprovoked in public?
GoGoSoLo@reddit
You see it however you need. Let me perhaps be the first to tell you though if you haven't heard it in regards to this case, seek literal help if your moral compass says that unsupervised minors with guns they should not have had killing people is something you support.
murdmart@reddit
unsupervised minors with guns they should not have had
Wisconsin law would like to have a word on that regard. Especially the part that calls itself 948.60(3)(c). For better or for worse, "should not have had" =/= "illegal to possess".
“This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593…”
noncongruent@reddit
It's also a federal felony to give a firearm to someone knowing that they're prohibited, which Rittenhouse was at the time when he received the gun he paid Dominick Black to buy for him. Note that he couldn't buy the gun himself because he was prohibited, which is why he conspired with Black to make the straw purchase.
murdmart@reddit
Which would have been Black's crime, not Rittenhouses.
Also, Rittenhouse was both federally and statewise allowed to possess the rifle. Hell, I will give you the relevant part of law.
https://casetext.com/statute/wisconsin-statutes/criminal-code/chapter-941-crimes-against-public-health-and-safety/subchapter-iii-weapons/section-94129-possession-of-a-firearm
Which one of these did Rittenhouse apply for?
noncongruent@reddit
It was not legal for Black to purchase the rifle on behalf of Rittenhouse, and it was not legal for Black to give the rifle to Rittenhouse since Black knew Rittenhouse's age and that he was prohibited. This is federal law, state law is irrelevant to what I said, not sure why you brought it up.
murdmart@reddit
Wisconsin does not prohibit giving a firearm to over 16 year old. Statute 29.304
noncongruent@reddit
You got me. 18 U.S. Code § 922 (x) does apply to handguns, not long guns, I was going off what's written on the back of the 4473. However, Black purchasing the gun on behalf of Rittenhouse using money given to him by Rittenhouse for that express purpose, with Rittenhouse directing which gun Black was to purchase for him, clearly violates federal law, specifically Black lied on the 4473 when he checked "no" on 21.a and signed the 4473. If Black had not broken federal law Rittenhouse would not have had the rifle and would not have been able to murder two people with it. The fact that Trump's goon Barr decided to not enforce the law doesn't alter the fact Rittenhouse and Black conspired to commit a felony. It is interesting that they're going after Hunter for the same exact felony, though. I guess it's really about political favorites and enemies rather than law and order, eh?
murdmart@reddit
There's no "You got me". It is not a court.
Issue which you brought up was Black's legal issue. It was a bit on the grey area because Black retained the ownership (His house, his gun safe, Rittenhouse could not access it without his say-so), but legal facts stay the same. Black would have been legally allowed to give a rifle to Rittenhouse for unsupervised possession. Purchasing it... i would not have liked his odds in state court, but appeal to current SOCUS could have been an epic show.
Black might have broken a federal law... but Rittenhouse did not. And this is one of the many things that made the case.
noncongruent@reddit
There's nothing grey about it. Rittenhouse and Black went shooting Black's new AR-platform rifle, Rittenhouse like it and wanted to buy one for himself, except he was prohibited by federal law from doing so since he was a minor, so to get around that he had Black buy the gun he wanted for him and gave Black the money to buy the gun. This is the exact scenario that the instructions for 21.a. on the back of the 4473 describes, and states is not allowed. Black was not the official transferee for the firearm, Rittenhouse was, so when Black check "yes" on the 4473 and signed it he committed a felony.
BTW, he and Rittenhouse already admitted to this in court during the state proceedings, even going so far as to testify that they knew what they were doing was a crime. Don't try to pretend what Black did wasn't a crime, it was. To pardon the pun, it was black and white. If Barr had allowed the DOJ to charge Black for that felony it would have been a slam-dunk conviction. All the DOJ would have had to do to get that conviction would be to read Rittenhouse's and Black's sworn testimony from state court into the record of the federal trial.
And again, if Rittenhouse and Black had not conspired to break federal law and if Black had not followed through with his crime, then Rittenhouse would not have had that rifle to murder two people, not to mention maim a third person with life-changing wounds. Rittenhouse is a violent man, a dangerous man, and IMHO an evil man since he seems to have not experienced any kind of remorse over the killings he's done. People like him that can so casually kill represent a threat to everyone around them. I predict it's only a matter of time until he goes out to satisfy his bloodlust again by killing more people. Hell, Trump would for sure pardon him for those new murders.
LastWhoTurion@reddit
You have no evidence that Barr prevented the DOJ from charging Black with a crime. Also, that testimony in court happened during the Biden admin. They're free tomorrow to charge Black with that crime.
murdmart@reddit
Black was not the official transferee for the firearm, Rittenhouse was
Except no transfer was made. Still a very dodgy legal argument, but one nevertheless.
If Barr had allowed the DOJ to charge Black for that felony it would have been a slam-dunk conviction.
It could have been. Considering the current crew of SCOTUS... no bets.
Rittenhouse would not have had that rifle to murder two people, not to mention maim a third person with life-changing wounds.
Except he was not the one doing the assault. People have agency. You can choose your actions. And, in this particular case, Rosenbaum chose his. Did he had any reason to assault a person?
IMHO an evil man since he seems to have not experienced any kind of remorse over the killings he's done
People are different. Some choose to bury traumas, some choose to face them. If you have had to shoot three people, killing two and then had to go through 2 years of VERY public trial... would you have done anything different?
I predict it's only a matter of time until he goes out to satisfy his bloodlust again by killing more people.
I'll take that bet. Say, 200 bucks for 3 years?
noncongruent@reddit
Why the gaslighting? Rittenhouse gave the money to Black to buy the gun because he couldn't buy the gun himself, and Rittenhouse told Black which gun to buy. Rittenhouse intended to receive the gun he had Black buy, and indeed he received the gun that Black bought on his behalf. These are facts that aren't in dispute. Really, I need to you confirm your understanding of these facts before there's any possibility of more conversation here. Just acknowledge these facts as being true and we can proceed.
murdmart@reddit
No gaslighting. Rittenhouse gave money to Black. Black bought the rifle. Rittenhouse never received the rifle's ownership because Black kept it in his house and in his safe to which Rittenhouse had no access.
Imagine... your addled grandpa suddenly gives you chunk of money. You want to buy a bottle of VERY expensive booze. But you cant. But you live in WI.
WI has some odd laws. As a minor, you cant drink alcohol in pubs. Except when someone older (and in full legal ages) buys you a drink. Then it is legal. You get my point?
noncongruent@reddit
You won't acknowledge the straw purchase, so I guess we're done here. Sorry to have wasted my time.
murdmart@reddit
I did so. It is just that every single counterpoint is relevant on your opinion. Not the law and not the precedence.
Try harder. You already said you don't know the federal law.. and now we know that you are not familiar with either state or case law either. And that is sad.
noncongruent@reddit
Nice to see you can read Rule 3 in the sidebar. :)
murdmart@reddit
Nice to see you can argue.
....or not, i guess.
Soo, which federal law did Rittenhouse violate?
murdmart@reddit
Oh, i did acknowledged it. At least a possible version.
But since you feel like every single argument of yours hinges upon it... i guess you wasted your time on your own volition.
Coward, liar and a spineless person.
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ChadWestPaints@reddit
Its still absolutely wild that people believe this when we have video proof it wasn't murder.
I'm very curious as to your mentality. Like what's your goal in spreading disinformation like this? Why do you do it? Is it just ends justify the means tribal politics? Do you feel a particular affinity for the perpetrators? Are you paid? Do you just think its funny to add to the misinformation on the internet? What's up?
noncongruent@reddit
I just don't think there's a place in civilized society for violent sociopaths who have a history of killing people for fun.
ChadWestPaints@reddit
Cool, nobody here does either. But we were talking about rittenhouse, the kid who only killed in self defense when attacked unprovoked in public by violent sociopaths who were trying to assault/murder him.
Lynn_Davidson@reddit
Prohibited to buy =\= prohibited to possess. Juveniles in multiple states can possess handguns and long guns provided they meet the basic statutory requirements for ownership (for example, not being a convicted felon.) They can, however, be prohibited from buying them from a federal firearms licensed dealer.
noncongruent@reddit
It was pointed out to me that under federal law long guns are legal to give to minors, but handguns and ammunition intended for handguns are not.
ChadWestPaints@reddit
And you should definitely seek literal help if you think its wrong for kids to defend themselves from murderous, psychotic pedophiles trying to assault them unprovoked in the streets.
PaulieNutwalls@reddit
Why do people emphasize crossing state lines as though he traveled far and wide? Crossing state lines was legal and he lived like five minutes from the state border. He also was legally possessing the rifle, the gun charges were tossed because the law only applied to short barrel rifles.
Also can't find anywhere where Rittenhouse mentioned "BLM people" or that he planned to use his firearm against people.
Rittenhouse became a hero for the right wingers because people like you never dropped the common narrative that the video completely destroyed. Same as the kid in the drum video that was painted as an agitator and turned out to just be there with his school group.
Aleyla@reddit
I think we found a story that twilight is actually better than.
slowro@reddit
Poor girl coming from church and makes one mistake.
They could try.
yashedpotatoes@reddit
I’m not sure why you’re not getting downvoted, this absolutely sounds like something the right would try
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Hosedragger5@reddit
How are these at all related? Amber killed a completely innocent man in his own apartment. Kyle killed 2 criminals, one of which was a pedo.
Jaded-Lawfulness-835@reddit
The dude who killed Trayvon Martin made a ton of money off it. The kid who went to a protest and killed two people in Wisconsin made a career out of it.
Clickclickdoh@reddit
Small difference, Zimmerman and Rittenhouse are making money off talk show appearances and book deals specifically because they weren't convicted.
garrettgravley@reddit
There’s actually a huge difference between Guyger and Zimmerman/Rittenhouse: they REALLY wanted to kill someone and be justified in it, especially for vigilante purposes. Amber Guyger just reacted in a dangerous and psychotic way to the mistaken belief that there was an intruder in her apartment.
Which is insanely bad, but Rittenhouse and Zimmerman were worse since their dicks got hard at the prospect of killing.
Own-Reception-2396@reddit
He shot a pedo. Life goes on
garrettgravley@reddit
Killing people extrajudicially is bad, even if they are pedophiles. I know you people don’t like hearing that since your emotional impulses get the best of you, but we’re a nation of laws, and our laws don’t recognize vigilantes as arbiters of justice.
Own-Reception-2396@reddit
Who’s you people?
noncongruent@reddit
If he knew the person he was shooting was a pedo then he's guilty of premeditated murder. If he didn't know then the guy's previous criminal history is completely and totally irrelevant to the shooting. Trying to retroactively justify a killing usually happens when the original case for the killing is extremely weak and unable to stand on its own merits, which is in fact the case.
deja-roo@reddit
Source: trust me bro
Stevoman@reddit
That's not a small difference, that's the key difference.
If Zimmerman or Rittenhouse were convicted, people would have already forgotten about them like they've forgotten about Guyger.
smokybbq90@reddit
There is a decent chance when she gets out she becomes a republican grifter and comes into some steady income.
noncongruent@reddit
No doubt. Being a white person who killed a Black person makes her a real hero to a significant portion of the population in this country nowadays.
FluidFisherman6843@reddit
There is the "faith based" movie that could come out of it. If I remember right Her old texts showed a pretty cold/evil heart. Then when the brother hugged her in court, she found Jesus and take it from there.
BSmoothNSteady@reddit
Good. Set a precedent.
SomeBitterDude@reddit
Arent these the same people that made a big show about “forgiving” her at the trial because “christchuns” or whatever?
donkey_croc@reddit
The article lays out that they want to get ahead of any book/movie deals (whether or not those actually get made). I think that's fair. If someone is going to try and profit off of their crime, I think the victims of the crime are allowed to say, "no, actually. You can't grift off of your crime to make money."
Preventing someone from exploiting their past mistake doesn't conflict with forgiving them for the mistake itself.
jrghetto602@reddit
Tbf they forgave her when it was clear she was going to jail. Once appeals and freedom became ambers focus rather than serving her rightful sentence, the family appears to have decided they two have options. I think that’s fair. Regardless forgiveness is not often a legal term so I’m not even seeing irony here.
CharlieTeller@reddit
You can forgive someone and still want some sort of compensation. They aren't mutually exclusive.
mamotx@reddit
Watch out...you can get banned for pointing out the obvious.
donkey_croc@reddit
The article lays out that they want to get ahead of any book/movie deals (whether or not those actually get made). I think that's fair. If someone is going to try and profit off of their crime, I think the victims of the crime are allowed to say, "no, actually. You can't grift off of your crime to make money."
Preventing someone from exploiting their past mistake doesn't conflict with forgiving them for the mistake itself.
Cannibal_Yak@reddit
Don't forget she only for 10 years for this. She's only got a few years left. Make sure when she gets out that we make it clear we haven't forgotten.
pwolf1771@reddit
Does, does she have millions?
noncongruent@reddit
Doesn't matter. This will end as a judgement which creates a legal instrument that can be used to strip her of much of the money she may earn the rest of her life, as well as certain assets.
pwolf1771@reddit
Good for them
pwolf1771@reddit
Wow people actually siding with the murderer? The person who walked into the wrong home and shot a guy minding his own business to death? Classic PD bootlickers…
KennyDROmega@reddit
Does she have millions for them to get?
Suing the Dallas PD seems like a wiser move.
TheButcheress123@reddit
My family did this too after I was hit by a drunk driver when I was 16. The guy killed my best friend and nearly killed me, but the jury gave him 10 years of probation 🙄 They’ve never been able to collect, but the fact that he has to go through the rest of his life with a 1 million dollar civil judgment hanging over his head helps me sleep better at night when I’m hurting due to the chronic injuries he left me with.
noncongruent@reddit
And if the perp every lucks into any money I hope you're right there to take it from him. He should spend the rest of his live and go into his grave with a credit score of zero.
TheButcheress123@reddit
The story was a pretty big deal when it happened because the judge got a bit… creative with the terms of his probation because he was also pissed about the jury’s sentence. Mesquite used to be a relatively small town, and I know that his social credit score has been in the basement since his arrest. That’s something.
YaGetSkeeted0n@reddit
can they not do wage garnishment or something? that's some bull if they can't
TheButcheress123@reddit
He hasn’t worked a w2 job since the accident. No way to squeeze blood from a stone. I’m at peace with that part though(now). The accident was in 2003.
melinatedmama@reddit
All of the goofs acting like she’ll never make money again need to look up crybaby Kyle Rittenhouse.
ViscountDeVesci@reddit
What was he convicted of?
melinatedmama@reddit
Good! She literally thinks somehow her behavior was justified. Trying to get out of jail early for killing a man in his home, chilling, eating a bowl of cereal. She didn’t even try any life saving measures, she just ran to her phone and leave him bleeding out with no comfort or apology.
Fit_Cartoonist_2363@reddit
IIRC Botham Jean’s brother hugged her after she was sentenced. I hope he’s been able to build a fulfilling life because I think everyone could learn something from his grace. I doubt Amber has too much money at this point but the family definitely deserves it.
PomeloPepper@reddit
Hasn't the statute of limitations run on this? It has on suing over the murder. As far as I know, they can't sue her for some imaginary future activity that she hasn't done.
Own-Reception-2396@reddit
Usually when one is convicted the offended party loses any civil capability
Flaky_Yam3843@reddit
When you are wrong, you are wrong .
NickInTheBooth@reddit
Oh no! Anyway…
thewontondisregard@reddit
Good.
hoshiwa1976@reddit
As they should because in Trump's America they're going to let cops do this without recourse at this point so get it while you can
RBUL13@reddit
Guns suck.
RBUL13@reddit
Stop 🛑 women policing! -