Second undersea cable between Sweden and Estonia damaged
Posted by Creepy-Discount-2536@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 57 comments
https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2416006/undersea-cable-between-lithuania-and-sweden-damaged-telia
BroadStreetElite@reddit
The Gales of November have come early.
large_running_moose@reddit
Wow, you ain't lying. 🚢
westboundnup@reddit
At least we’ll get a song I like out of this?
ProtoSpacefarer@reddit
With some Uranium ore Twenty-thousand tons more Than the Ivan Smirnova weight empty
That good Sub and crew was a bone to be chewed When Putin's November came early
The sub was the pride of the Russian side Coming back from some port in Oddessa.
The snap of the cables made a tattle-tale sound As the NATO nations were wailing
And every leader knew, as the generals did too T'was the Witch from the Russ Land come Stealin'!
large_running_moose@reddit
Someone get this guy a guitar, a mic, and a backup band, STAT!
TVpresspass@reddit
This is some top notch redditory work here
DaddyDIRTknuckles@reddit
Sounds like a great way to get everyone using starlink....
worriedbowels@reddit
It's almost like they're gearing up for something...
chicahhh@reddit
Can the fucking bad guys please stop winning? What are we even doing about any of this
Girafferage@reddit
Something I learned from a wise man who worked in operations overseas - "Nobody thinks its them who is the bad guy"
kalitarios@reddit
Jerry: is it too late to just give up and join the fascist-half of the world?
Everyone: no!
Jerry: I'm just saying, they get to have so much more fun than we do
Eatthebankers2@reddit
Too busy playing the Wall Street insider trading. I’m so disappointed.
Opposite_Ad_1707@reddit
Right, we elect these fucks to take care of shit, and they don’t do anything but lace their pockets with money.
backcountry57@reddit
There is a Baltic sea pattern starting to emerge, why would you want to cut communication between Scandinavia and Europe?
BringbackDreamBars@reddit
Personal opinion-
I think this is a cheap way to have a test run before hitting a more important cable artery.
For example, five transatlantic cables converge at Bude in Cornwall in the south west of the UK.
daviddjg0033@reddit
So we would be relying on satellites? This timeline is concerning 😟
Girafferage@reddit
the satellites rely on the cables as well. They take data to and from a location and bring it to and from a station. From there the cables do the actual data transfer since its way more efficient.
Franklin_le_Tanklin@reddit
Specifically relying on Elon musk’s satellites.. the same musk who talks to Putin regularly
mysticeetee@reddit
I really think Elon will be the first individual person that the world goes to war with.
TVpresspass@reddit
I dunno, I see a Mr. A.H. mentioned here in my notes?
Girafferage@reddit
Except they have already damaged cables before, and a "test run" would absolutely alert the world to monitor the cables more closely.
DwarvenRedshirt@reddit
I don't think they need a test run. It's not exactly rocket science here.
emmeline8579@reddit
Could still be a test run to see how the countries react and gauge how quickly they get things fixed.
UnidentifiedBlobject@reddit
They already did a test run between Norway and Svalbard. Maybe perfecting the method or sending a message.
swollen_foreskin@reddit
Critical IT infrastructure would be brought down in Scandinavia immediately. Almost everything runs in the cloud today
Druid_High_Priest@reddit
Opps. I guess there is something to still say for having localized hardened servers.
Sudden_Hovercraft_56@reddit
Nah, the IT industry makes more money from cloud services so we are obliged to push this as the ONLY solution and tell customers that "everything should be in the cloud now".
swollen_foreskin@reddit
Lol, managers want everything local gone. Say the words cloud or ai and their eyes sparkle
Ecstatic_Bee6067@reddit
Probably targets of opportunity for the Russian Baltic fleet. Certainly their Black Sea submarines aren't going anywhere
caveatlector73@reddit
Putin has been threatening to cut these cables for some time now.
Hiiipower111@reddit
Maybe that's what these "UFOs" "in the water" are up to
bloomingtonrail@reddit
Well this is escalating fast
Maxion@reddit
Not really, these are still quite small potatoes. The most serious was the breakage of the baltic connector gas pipeline to Estonia.
The Estlink2 power cable breakage had the biggest effect (significantly higher power prices in Estonia for ~9 months or so) but that was probably actually not sabotage.
There are a lot of way more important cables on the bottom of the baltic, e.g. the SE3-FI power link. If that goes down, it will have very measurable effects on the power prices in both countries.
These communication cables have redundancy, in practice these issues won't have any actual effects. Any actually important communication has multiple backup solutions.
This is just gentle teasing / bullying, hence why NATO won't really respond and these new cases of sabotage will also just be brushed under the rug.
If they'd cut the SE3-FI cable, or equivalent, I'd expect a response.
Traditional_Gas8325@reddit
How does Russia benefit from cutting these cables? I don’t understand why it’s a thing.
TorontoTom2008@reddit
This is a deployment of liminal warfare designed to sow discord in the target population. Think of these attacks as information warfare first and economic warfare second. ‘All the threats go away if you have a happy Russia next door so just do things that make us happy’
OtheDreamer@reddit
It would disrupt communications for NATO in the event of an escalation of geopolitical conflict (war) which would benefit them.
No-Breadfruit-4555@reddit
Yes, but mostly civilian. The militaries certainly have other methods to communicate. It’s a concerning development though
OffensiveBiatch@reddit
All markets today are interconnected... Huge sums of US $ in Japanese, Chinese, European markets; huge sums of yen, €, yuan in US and Canadian markets moving around 7/24, 365 days ... Any disruption in that flow, markets crash; logistics, supply chains get screwed.
Millennials in the US riot because they have no avocado on their toast.
ArtisanalDickCheeses@reddit
The pan is starting to boil over...
kalitarios@reddit
US solution: just transfer the contents to a taller pan
Druid_High_Priest@reddit
Good one! But I think the taller pan is fast approaching capacity.
Sea_Sheepherder_2234@reddit
“Show me 10 feet of water and I’ll show you an 11 foot pan”
BringbackDreamBars@reddit
Ok, the fact that this is a pattern now suggests its organised.
-rwsr-xr-x@reddit
The fact that it's organized, suggests it can't be from Russia. 😏
BringbackDreamBars@reddit
YANTAR has also been spotted in this area too near the UK.
ZookeepergameWild4@reddit
It would be cool if it was the killer whales
hockeymaskbob@reddit
Personally I think it's the cephalopods.
Poonis5@reddit
Cable killer whales
WaffleBlues@reddit
Until Russia faces serious consequences from Europe, they'll continue to troll, harass, intimidate and threaten.
All of this is obviously predicted on Russia being culpable, but they'd be the usual suspect.
Golden5StarMan@reddit
Remember when Germany laughed at Trump when he warned they would become dependent on Russian oil? Europeans basically are funding their own war against themselves.
https://youtu.be/FfJv9QYrlwg
XDBEA@reddit
Just like there were consequences for the nordstream pipeline? It’s just going to be a pissing match until one sides had enough. This is to be expected from all sides
ElRetardoSupreme@reddit
Is this their response to Ukraine being given permission to use long range weapons against the motherland ?
-TheDream@reddit
They would do it anyway. Placating them never works, they just try to take more and more.
Actual-Money7868@reddit
Not damaged, severed.
y___o___y___o@reddit
While they're down there, the Rusky's should pull worms out of their asses and put them on the ends of the cable after they cut it.
Then it would be interesting to observe whether any fish will byte the bait.
mixy23@reddit
> Assume that Russia is currently severing undersea cables between Sweden, Finland, Baltics, Germany. Evaluate geopolitically and take into account nuclear and non-nuclear strategy. Also evaluate: How high is the probability that severing the mentioned undersea cables is part of a nuclear strike strategy or preparation for further attacks? How high is the probability that it is just saber rattling and not part of a larger attack?
Probability That Severing the Mentioned Undersea Cables Is Part of a Nuclear Strike Strategy: 15-25%: While severing undersea cables could theoretically fit into a broader nuclear strategy by disrupting communications, it would be an unusually bold and escalatory move that risks immediate and severe responses from NATO and other affected countries. Nuclear first strikes are typically associated with a range of escalatory steps, not a single action. Thus, while possible, the likelihood of it being directly tied to nuclear first-strike preparations remains moderate but not predominant.
Probability That It Is Saber Rattling and Not Part of a Larger Attack: 60-75%: The more probable scenario is that the action serves as a show of force or intimidation. This could be aimed at testing NATO's response, signaling strategic capabilities, or exerting pressure during heightened political or military tensions. Such moves align with historical patterns of military posturing by major powers to project power without necessarily committing to an immediate escalation to full-scale conflict.
Remaining Probability (10-20%): This could account for other strategic considerations, such as covert military operations unrelated to nuclear strategy or testing hybrid warfare tactics to prepare for future contingencies that are not explicitly tied to a nuclear first strike.
Conclusion: While the disruption of undersea cables would be a serious and concerning move, it is more likely to be saber rattling or part of a broader psychological and strategic pressure campaign. Full-scale nuclear first-strike preparations would likely include a series of more overt and diverse indicators beyond cable severing alone.
> What would be next steps in physical conflict escalation? What would be red flags to watch for?
If Russia were severing undersea communication cables between Sweden, Finland, the Baltics, and Germany as part of a preparation for an eventual nuclear first strike, this action would constitute a significant strategic escalation. Here’s how it would factor into their preparation and the potential timeline and red flags to watch:
Significance in Nuclear Strategy
Initial Disruption of Command and Control: Severing these cables would be a direct attempt to disrupt NATO’s command, control, and communication (C3) networks, hindering coordination and potentially delaying the collective response to any sudden aggression.
Testing and Provocation: Such an action would signal intent to test the readiness and response mechanisms of affected countries and NATO. It would strain the resilience of their communication systems and highlight vulnerabilities.
Psychological Warfare: This move could also be designed to sow panic and confusion, weakening political unity and military confidence in the region before an actual strike.
Red Flags to Watch For Next
Movement of Nuclear Forces: Any increased movement or repositioning of Russian nuclear assets, such as ICBM deployments, submarine activity with ballistic missile capability, or alert status elevation of strategic bombers.
Cyber Warfare Escalation: A coordinated increase in cyber-attacks on military and government infrastructure of NATO member states, potentially targeting satellite communication to complement undersea cable disruption.
Military Drills and Exercises: Sudden, large-scale exercises involving strategic forces, particularly those that simulate nuclear strike scenarios or strategic defense operations.
Deployment of Advanced Weapons: Positioning of tactical nuclear weapons close to conflict zones or frontlines as a deterrent or a preparatory move for a limited nuclear strike.
Increased Reconnaissance Activity: Heightened surveillance or reconnaissance flights near strategic military bases of NATO or increased Russian military presence in the Baltic and North Seas.
Potential Timeline regarding Red Flags
Short-Term (Weeks to Months): The initial cable-cutting would be followed by intelligence assessments and military posturing, testing NATO’s resolve and readiness. This period would also see increased cyber and information operations to destabilize communications further.
Medium-Term (Months to a Year): Preparatory steps such as moving nuclear-capable forces, placing them on higher alert, and engaging in overt military exercises. Escalatory rhetoric and diplomatic standoffs could also occur.
Long-Term (Indeterminate): The ultimate timing would depend on strategic objectives, perceived windows of opportunity, and geopolitical factors. A first-strike scenario is highly calculated and would likely only proceed if Russia assessed that it could achieve a decisive outcome or prevent an existential threat.
Conclusion: The severing of undersea cables as part of a nuclear strategy would be an initial, significant preparatory move but not necessarily a direct indicator of an imminent strike. The real red flags would be subsequent force mobilizations, military exercises mimicking nuclear war scenarios, and cyber operations. The timeline would vary based on situational developments and the response of NATO and affected states.
Creepy-Discount-2536@reddit (OP)
Reported after the events here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PrepperIntel/comments/1gu3gj7/the_undersea_cable_between_finland_and_germany/