Saudi executes more than 100 foreigners in 2024: AFP tally
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yunome301@reddit
And in the US 21 people have been executed. What’s your point? Some countries execute people. Some more than others. Some don’t at all.
Is there something in particular about the executions in Saudi Arabia you want to point out apart from the fact that they carry out executions like plenty of other countries in the world?
Just to remind you there are 55 countries had the death penalty.
I’ll expect another 54 posts from you for every other country too, right?
yeltsin98@reddit
Imagine the thought that a person might be against the death penalty in - gasp - not one country but several. This might blow your mind, but I’m opposed to executions in Saudi Arabia AND Iran AND the United States. It’s crazy. You can take all the time you need to process that, and you can still conclude that the whole world is out to get you.
I’ll probably donate $5000 the day I see Gulf Arabs engage in collective self-reflection.
SpudroTuskuTarsu@reddit
This thread was not about the US?
banjosuicide@reddit
The point is they're executing citizens of other countries. I hope you can understand the difference between executing your own and executing foreigners.
whomstboi@reddit
Why should citizens of other countries be spared from the law of the country they are in?
banjosuicide@reddit
There are many reasons.
Legal reciprocity is big concern. If you unilaterally hand down harsh punishments to foreigners then the governments of those individuals will be less likely to offer cooperation in the future since those governments will fear any information they provide will be used to deliver punishment they don't approve of. Delivering harsh punishments to individuals is also likely less important than cooperation over organized crime, etc.
For the country in which the punishment is being delivered, the impact on tourism is going to be another concern. If, for example, testing positive for marijuana use is going to get you punished, tourism from countries where use is legal will be impacted since you can test positive long after use. People could be punished for an act not even carried out in the country that seeks to punish them.
Observance of international legal standards is another. Many legal systems prioritize extradition or cooperative legal processes over unilateral punishment. This means foreign nationals are usually treated under their home country's legal norms.
Those are some I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure I could come up with more if I pondered it.
Oppopity@reddit
I don't support the death penalty but I get it.
If they have the death penalty for smuggling drugs but only apply it to their own citizens then a bunch of foreigners will be the ones smuggling drugs.
JustinR8@reddit
Oh to have so much oil you can run an absolutely backwards society and still command respect on the international stage. It is good to be king. Probably sucks to be everybody else.
kraw-@reddit
Nobody tell this man about Singapore
TheMamba117@reddit
What’s up with Singapore?
kraw-@reddit
They regularly execute foreigners for trivial crimes like having Marijuana on them. The stans will defend that with "when you go to a country you should obey their rules" funny how that never applies to Saudi or similar countries.
FiveFlavourFire@reddit
Pointing to Singapore's heavy handed use of capital punishment to try to deal with drug related crime is a hilarious way of deflecting from SA's use of capital punishment to punish dissidents and their family members.
pigeon_shit_evrywhre@reddit
The state(for example the PM) can use state machinery to just plant a bunch of cocaine on you(his dissident and family members) and murder you as well.
There's like even a section on wiki about it....
What guarantee do you've of this not happening?
FiveFlavourFire@reddit
Sounds a bit like projection and jealousy on your side?
Don't get me wrong, the country appears to have its own issues with censorship that its people are fighting against. But the country seems to do a pretty good job curtailing corporate and political corruption in the last 10 years, if you look at the CPIB's record. In fact they prosecuted a man recently who attempted to plant drugs on his ex-wife to give her the death penalty. Guess what, they caught it.
To your second point: yes. Every country has a line that they draw for what they consider acceptable limits to protest including all of the when, where, why, and how. Every state has a point where they tell everyone to pack it in.
EvilxBunny@reddit
just take a deep breath buddy. One wrong thing does not justify another.
Singapore is shit for their capital punishment, Saudi is atrocious for killing people and being extremely corrupt.
Let's not try to get swayed by debates as personal attacks and start defending them like they belong to you.
Let me introduce you to North Korea....
FiveFlavourFire@reddit
https://hri.global/flagship-research/death-penalty/the-death-penalty-for-drug-offences-global-overview-2023
Why not complain about Vietnam and Indonesia then? Why Singapore? Why not Iran or China? Why deflect from SA?
Just be honest and say you have a vendetta against Singapore because of the treatment of Indians in Singapore.
It makes you look less weak
pigeon_shit_evrywhre@reddit
lmao..... Jealousy of what?
How many innocent people are you willing to sacrifice in fake cases, for you to feel safe?
FiveFlavourFire@reddit
Please reread what I'm saying or stop replying. You do not understand what I'm saying or are intentionally being obtuse.
Jealous of their stability is what I was implying.
The case I referred to is not a fake case. I don't think you understood what I was saying or are pushing your own agenda for some other reason. Can you point me to a source showing some cover up of drug planting charges? You keep alluding to some vague corruption in Singapore which is hilarious given the country's pristine international reputation.
I didn't say the Saudis couldn't define their own limits. I was mocking the attempt to throw shade at Singapore to deflect from very real criticism of SA. You can criticize other nations while respecting their sovereignty.
ForGrateJustice@reddit
Nobody ever goes to SA, so you rarely ever hear personal stories from travelers who face the death penalty there.
Meanwhile you hear story after story about Singapore. They're much more relevant.
kraw-@reddit
It's not opposite day today
00x0xx@reddit
It’s not just about killing foreigners. It’s also about culture, values and modernity. Anybody in the modern world can go to Singapore and fit right into society, they have no trouble following the law, and might even work their family up to being prominent members of the leadership.
Saudi Arabia is a technocracy ruled by royalty and is hostile to every modern value of just about every civilized society. They were literally warlords who manage to obtain power because of the alliance they made with growing western nations that want their oil.
Slickslimshooter@reddit
Modernity is beheading people for having plant. Very modern.
aayush_200@reddit
I don't think technology rules all in Saudi Arabia.
00x0xx@reddit
Have you seen Neom? Anyway thanks for finding my mistake. I meant to wrote, Theocracy.
Icy-Bicycle-Crab@reddit
Yes, it's a hole in the desert filled with the bodies of migrant workers where a distopian surveillance state is planned.
Icy-Bicycle-Crab@reddit
Only if you are extremely wealthy. Singapore, like Saudi Arabia is dependent on migrant labor treated extremely poorly.
bannedinlegacy@reddit
The difference is that bringing drugs or using drugs to a country with harsh sentences is a dumb voluntary action.
But SA is known to punish people for speaking for women's rights, atheism or even being molested.
Eric1491625@reddit
All those foreigners getting executed, the article gave examples they were drug crimes.
Ecoste@reddit
Singapore is very explicit that trafficking drugs is SUPER SERIOUS. You see that warning multiple times as you're coming into the country, and they even offer garbage bins to throw your contraband away with no penalty before you decide to cross.
Legate_Invictus@reddit
I will defend both. If a country has the death penalty for marijuana possession, then don't bring your weed there. It's that simple.
ForGrateJustice@reddit
Pretty soon, the oil will run out, and SA will become just another ISIS shit hole.
Not that they aren't already an ISIS shit hole. Their government is literally a religious authoritarian regime.
Gyrestone91@reddit
Either one day Saudi Arabia will face the repercussions of their actions, by civil unrest, maybe mass protest.. or the victims of this regime will slowly fade out of memory. Either or is just not good.
ShootmansNC@reddit
It will be the second one while they remain allied to the US.
Thi_rural_juror@reddit
It will happen the day Saudi Arabia stops being buddies with the US, they will suddenly become a dictatorship and need democracy.
The media will shift and criticize, will pull out every controversial thing that ever happened. And will bomb the country till regime change happens in order to stop calling it a dictatorship.
Everyone is aware of the bad things going there, it's just not in the interest of the west to expose or talk about these things, because then the west will have to stop buying all that tasty oil.
Seems like everyone already forgot about poor khashoggi who walked into an embacy and left in an acid bath.
Gyrestone91@reddit
true
xGentian_violet@reddit
Protest cant do it. A worker strike may
rhedprince@reddit
Ah yes, mass protest and civil unrest on behalf of drug dealers and smugglers. Oh the humanity.
Tombot3000@reddit
Alleged drug dealers and smugglers processed via a biased system while often being denied access to necessary resources to defend themselves.
It is a certainty that some were innocent since all capital punishment systems have false positives and this is clearly not even among the most cautious or thorough of them.
awoothray@reddit
You know nothing about Saudi drug scene, nor the Shabu that has been taking over the streets of Saudi Arabia, you're just some random person typing random word defending an argument you know nothing about, you're a walking argument against free speech.
Tombot3000@reddit
I do, on the other hand, know a decent amout about legal systems and capital punishment. I also know a fair bit on rhetoric, at least enough to recognize that you selectively replied to a snippet of my comment then tried to turn the conversation into a personal attack on me while also appealing vaguely to an only tangentially related moral outrage.
You're not an argument against free speech, but you're a poor example of its merits. Your low-quality comment obviously avoided addressing the central point of mine - that innocent people are definitely being killed by the Saudi capital punishment systems.
awoothray@reddit
GPT ass answer
Tombot3000@reddit
It isn't, but I didn't expect more than sour grapes from you anyway.
TheCursedMonk@reddit
The oil will run out and suddenly the white countries will stop picking up the phone.
MiamiDouchebag@reddit
You think China or India will give a shit about the Middle East after they run out of oil? LOL
Otto_von_Boismarck@reddit
I think long before that oil will just lose most of its uses.
jmsy1@reddit
not in our lifetimes
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