So, we must be far-far-far-right extremists?
Posted by dreamache@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 115 comments
Posted by dreamache@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 115 comments
Cool-Jicama-1913@reddit
libertarian philosophy is right wing revolutionaries, and I can prove it because real libertarianism has never been tried among those who identify as libertarians there are centrist libertarians and rightwing libertarians they differ greatly on things some believe in a neo-feudal state of smaller local governments like churches states rights family's and traditional shit and some believe In a state of anarcho capitalism and often believe that religion is balderdash
linyz0100@reddit
It’s true. We are pro peace extremists.
Postgames@reddit
Caption Issue: Not all libertarians are culturally right wing
NoradIV@reddit
How is "cutting most/all social services" not right wing?
Postgames@reddit
That would be a Libertarian VS Authoritarian distinction, not left vs right
Ninthreer@reddit
we’re either far-far-far right or far-far-far left 🥳
mycatsellsblow@reddit
Yup. The partisans can't process that not everyone wants to be in their cult or the other cult. I get called MAGA when I point out issues with the Democratic party and a Communist when I point out issues with the Republican party.
JuanMurphy@reddit
I got called a far right extremest for quoting the Bill of Rights.
Deadeye_Dan77@reddit
I was called a white supremacist and misogynist simply because I didn’t vote for Kamala
saggywitchtits@reddit
I didn't vote.
I guess I'm an evil person.
ChromE327@reddit
Ok I'm just curious, what did someone think was extremist about that???
DarthFluttershy_@reddit
The Tenth Amendment sounds scary and broad. Almost like it would prevent the government from doing whatever it wants. Good thing they found a way to ignore it. /s
JuanMurphy@reddit
When you point out the constitutional roadblocks between where we are and what they want. The specific case was a discussion that started about the Floyd protests (I pointed out that for an assembly to be constitutionally protected it must be peaceful). Then went to gun control where I pointed out that even with out Heller any restriction should require a change in the BoR. Then they had an issue w my stance on abortion which is it should be up to the states as a federal law doesn’t exist and state medical boards are in charge of most everything. I will say that I also get shit from some conservative friends when discussing warrantless searches, my opposition to QI and Civil Asset Forfeiture. At least they will listen to the argument. My lefty friends just get angry
burgonies@reddit
If it was a democrat, it was probably the 13th amendment
Rude_Hamster123@reddit
That’s just Reddit.
CharlesEwanMilner@reddit
No, but the general left will label us as that
DisulfideBondage@reddit
Funny how consent is an extremist view.
VV88VDH@reddit
But most are
xaldin31@reddit
No, if you're a conservative just say you're a conservative, but don't try and lump libertarians in with conservatives on cultural issues. Freedom of movement is a core aspect of a truly free market. You should try and see if the rest of the sub agrees with conservatives on drug criminalization and the fact that people are having their liberty, freedom, and property withdrawn because they simply own a no-no chemical if you want a good example of a, in this case "left wing" cultural issue that is just about entirely supported by libertarians. Btw frick whoever labelled this graph
Tankmonkey1987@reddit
This I just left a shit ton of libertarian pages because the right have infested the pages saying libertarians are just soft right.
Houdinii1984@reddit
Funny, I thought ya'll are Libertarians. I thought the Libertarian policy on immigration was yes, it's fine to let people travel and you pluck out the violent ones. Or did that change?
Honestly, the state action with affirmative action should run with the Republicans and the immigration would go with the Democrats if the national party had it's say. Why are people acting like Libertarian == GOP now?
robbzilla@reddit
Many libertarians hold the stated belief that you can have unfettered immigration only after you've demolished the welfare state.
Houdinii1984@reddit
You can't have libertarianism at all without demolishing the welfare state. That's why it's down with the left image at the same time.
preferablyno@reddit
Couldn’t you just have a welfare state that only provides benefits to citizens and/or people who have paid in
NoradIV@reddit
Yes, that's like private insurance. No need to take people's money at gunpoint.
B1G_Fan@reddit
Perhaps…
But, I’d argue that the government prohibiting an employer from hiring whoever they want for a job potentially forces people to pay more for the same good or service.
By prohibiting the hiring of immigrants, a government policy that benefits lazy native-born workers and/or lazy employers who don’t want to train their own workers is a form of government money transference.
Houdinii1984@reddit
That would probably look like a private business doing the same thing when applied to Libertarianism. But really, if you can't afford things like food, there's a good chance you wouldn't afford food insurance, either, unless you were once stable enough to spend for it.
This right here is one of the challenges of actual Libertarianism. It requires people to work together to achieve vs. relying on the state to achieve. In my own mind, the state would exist to ensure others don't force me into situations rather than being the one forcing the situations, if that makes any sense.
LTRand@reddit
It's an order of operations issue. One comes before the other. So in real world policy, you vote against mass immigration because the first step has not been achieved.
HeightTraditional614@reddit
Most libertarians are republicans cosplaying “Muh liberty”
Expensive-Bid9426@reddit
Republicans who smoke weed. Better enjoy it now before everyone who smokes gets put in a camp for their "addiction".
KobraHashatashi@reddit
you keep pearl clutching while i’m kush clutching and we’ll see how that works out.
Expensive-Bid9426@reddit
I 100% hope I'm wrong. But I just don't see how an agenda of a "Christian nation" where everyone is forced to have a Bible in their house is going to compatible with weed legalization
YetAnotherCommenter@reddit
Simply not going to happen.
Trump is a thrice-divorced pussy-grabber whom has been pro-gay-marriage since at least the early 2000s and was the first Prez to have an openly gay person in his cabinet. No one, not even the Evangelicals, believe he is a sincere/"true" Christian. He got the national Republican party to remove opposition to same-sex marriage and late-term abortion from their platform... and last I checked, these were practically the defining culture-war issues of the Religious Right! He also has open non-Christians in his inner circles (Ramaswamy and Gabbard are both practicing Hindus).
Both he and Vance also promised that any attempt to federally restrict abortion would be vetoed.
SpiritAnimalLeroy@reddit
In what universe do you think the US Supreme Court will find a law "where everyone is forced to have a Bible in their house" compatible with the Anti-establishment Clause of the Constitution?
Expensive-Bid9426@reddit
I don't think it will be a law I think it will be like they encourage it or something and certain civilians will culturally enforce it
KobraHashatashi@reddit
youd be surprised by how many many christian’s smoke weed, that’s not a sin lmao (but it is a divided topic-also be weary of “scoreboard christians”, those are the ones i think you’re talking about) mary came from the earth that was made for us. and separation of church and state is a real thing.
don’t trip on that you would not be forced to keep a bible in your house, wasn’t forced before the constitution was drafted and certainly can’t be forced now either. just treat people how you would want to be treated and how you treat yourself that’s what america needs right now.
Houdinii1984@reddit
People don't seem to realize this isn't about economy but the cultural and social side of politics. If we were talking about money, I'd shove Libertarians all the way to the right, but with the amount of civil liberties awarded, all this culture war stuff would firmly be filed under 'do whatever the hell you want as long as you leave me alone to do what I want'. Don't tread on me and I won't tread on you.
Where is all this authoritarian crap coming from? (Rhetorical... I already know)
HeightTraditional614@reddit
100% agree. When it comes to trans/gay/womens rights, everything should be “it’s your right until it impedes other’s rights’ “ (except the whole trans children thing, that shits creepy as fuck. Once they’re 18, go for it).
Houdinii1984@reddit
Even the trans children thing goes under a parent's right. I don't think it's cool to pick and choose when we let parents raise their kids. If a parent thinks this is the best course of action for their child, what right do I have to say otherwise. I may not agree with it, but I don't have a right against it. I just don't know at what point you get to tell the parents they are wrong and force them to do something different.
I also think that's why Libertarianism is a hard pill to swallow. To get your own unimpeded rights, you have to offer those same rights to others, and that can get really weird, really quick. And stuff like this is the individual vs the parent, not the parent vs society.
HeightTraditional614@reddit
Parents decision is fine to a certain point, but that’s a life-altering decision. I’ve also seen wack job parents who basically gaslight their children into it and what happens when that child becomes their own being and realizes “oh shit now I’ve completely swapped genders, what do I do now?”
Houdinii1984@reddit
The problem with this is all decisions by a parent are life-altering. The only difference is you have a personal feeling about this specific situation. Again, though, you said 'to a certain point' and I'd like to know where that point is. It's not really about the end result but the motives going into it. If a parent genuinely believes it's the best thing for their child, and then you come along and say no, who is right? I'm on the parent's side regardless, because I have zero right to make that law or rule, because what do I know about that kid or their lives?
My saying no to the kid and parents is a far worse situation than that parent saying yes, because I'm not anything to either party except an outside element not allowing them to live their lives.
HeightTraditional614@reddit
I’d say the certain point in this would be life-altering surgery. Yes most decisions made by parents are life-altering but a transition surgery would be pretty end-all when it comes to being able to reverse it
Houdinii1984@reddit
So is circumcision. Parents are allowed to make life-altering decisions for their children, and do so all the time. Just the decision to have a child is life-altering for everyone involved. If parents don't have a domain over their own kids, who does? If I can't make absolute decisions about the ongoing life of my child, who do I rely on for that information? Who says anyone involved in this conversation is correct on the outcomes?
It is life-altering. I'm not arguing that. But so was moving me to a new city in the third grade and exposing me to chemicals that caused cancer in high school. My biggest question, though, is who enforces this and who decides where the line is? You? The President? Anyone else? They don't even know my fictional child, how would they possibly know what's best for them without never having met or laid eyes on them?
You've got the government side of things, and they need to stay out of personal lives, and you got the social contract, meaning you can shun people and refuse to do business with them, but outside of that, what is the remedy you're suggesting?
libertarianmainecoon@reddit
This brings up a couple other hypotheticals regarding personal freedom. Should a doctor have the right to refuse to perform a surgery if they believe it would be harmful to a child or should the government mandate them to perform it if they parent says to? Should parents be allowed to let their children drink or do drugs or smoke cigarettes because it’s their child and the government has no right to step in and say otherwise as they aren’t involved in the situation? Maybe their child has chronic pain and their solution is give them fentanyl because they believe it’s the right thing to do for their child at the time.
Hopefully this comment doesn’t come off the wrong way. I’m genuinely curious to see what your opinion would be in regards to parents making life altering decisions for their kid(s) and if/when a line should be drawn for the government to intervene.
Houdinii1984@reddit
This is the best response I've seen. It really gets to the heart of things and right where the intersection occurs. It almost seems like the trolley problem, because there is potential for harm all over the place. I also bet I wrap myself up in circles and twist myself into knots, but I'll give it a try anyway.
Everything hinges on the doctor. You'd need to find a doctor and team willing to perform the surgery and who believes it's medically necessary. That's the tricky part. Society would most likely guide the doctor, so we'd probably still end up with a situation where trans folk are not getting the treatment they seek except in pockets. (This is something I actually worry about Libertarianism. Medical treatment could be based on who you are and where you're from.)
Everything also hinges on the world we built, but can't quite see at the moment. What does the Libertarian US look like on the ground? Do people build separate city-sized governments all over or is it bigger or smaller? Do people migrate to different places to find more liberal/conservative areas? The broader public seems to look down on these surgeries, but theoretically that could be the opposite effect in a Libertarian society. (Or, more likely, far more ostracized if it happened tomorrow). Honestly, in a different society people might not feel the intense need to change if everyone was accepting from the get-go.
There's also nature vs nurture of it all. If nurturing is a cause of addition or self-image issues, if you change the nurturing with an entirely different society, our feelings on the matter would change and we have no way of knowing how that would look. It very well could lead you arguing for the child getting treatment and me arguing against it. Hard for me to imagine, but it could very well happen.
I guess I'm not really answering the question, but I legit don't know how. I can't seem to see it being an issue, to be honest, as everyone will be busy surviving and worrying about their own issues instead of looking at little Johnny turning into little Katie or whatever.
On the drug and alcohol side of things, I imagine we still have prescriptions from doctors. And in the case of a sick child and a parent who uses fent, what government body would actually have domain? Right now it's DEA, but without a DEA, who enforces the fent getting across the border in the first place? If there is no Federal enforcement, does the law really matter? And if there is Federal enforcement, are we still in the Libertarian scenario?
The real question is, before we draw the line somewhere, who actually draws the line and once these lines are drawn, are we just right back here where we started?
libertarianmainecoon@reddit
I sincerely hope the U.S. gets its shit together so someday we can actually find an answer to these questions but unfortunately I don’t see that happening anytime soon…
And to continue on the drug issue since it’s so close to my heart - there was no DEA when the founding fathers were alive and regulating drugs wasn’t really a thing until the early to mid 20th century. I dream of a day in which both the ATF and DEA are no longer a thing
HeightTraditional614@reddit
I’m not in politics so I’m not sure of the remedy, just think an irreversible decision should be made by the person when they are old enough to know the full meaning of it
humanist-misanthrope@reddit
In my own thought process I’ve struggled with applying individual rights in the parent-child contract. While I agree parents have the right to raise their kids as they see fit, the line between parental rights and child harm gets nebulous. The damage a shitty parent can inflict is unimaginable at times. So how to balance a parent really trying to do right by their kid and a parent that is negligent or deliberate in causing harm has to be considered. Otherwise it is easy for it to be applied to adults: you do what is best for you and I’ll do the same for me as long as neither of us are impeding the other’s rights.
This has been something I’ve been thinking about a lot in post-Roe. The argument for me is easy, abortion is a medical decision made between patient and doctor. Full stop IMO. As such, I’ve been thinking about the need for a new Amendment that preserves full medical rights to the individual. To me this would allow someone to seek an abortion or gender-affirming care, or to brush their teeth with horse paste and pop fish tank tablets if they so chose. The area where it gets murky is when I try to apply this to children. While I fully support vaccination, especially for eradicated or near-eradicated diseases that can be devastating, I support the rights of individuals to reject vaccines. So do we allow a parent to reject polio vaccines and potentially cause irreparable harm to their kids? Or should the state be allowed to mandate the polio vaccine? I’m inclined towards the former, especially in the context of a medical right Amendment, but I am abhorred by the idea of someone in an iron lung just because mom and/or dad watched something on Tik Tok or YouTube once.
libertarianmainecoon@reddit
That’s one of the few libertarian issues that’s hard for me as well. I think it’s wrong for the government to force someone to take/have anything (medication, vaccine, surgery, etc.) as I think it opens the door to far too many nefarious scenarios. However I also think when it comes to kids in schools the kids who legitimately can’t get a vaccine for whatever reason, such as an allergy to eggs, shouldn’t have to be at risk because some parents don’t vaccinate their kids for an idiotic reason such as a brain dead Tiktoker telling them the vaccine contains adrenochrome… I think it comes down to state (or even county) laws saying whether public schools or government jobs should mandate being vaccinated. If the county or state mandates it fine, move to somewhere it isn’t mandated and vice versa. But you best believe I’d never send my kids to any school (public, private or charter) that doesn’t mandate all students be vaccinated just out of fear that someone does bring polio back due to their personal liberties.
B1G_Fan@reddit
Sounds about right
The Cato Institute’s 50 state ranking has “economic freedom” and “personal freedom”.
Economic freedom is about being aloud to work hard and keep the money you’ve earned.
Personal freedom is about being allowed to play hard as long as your freedom to play doesn’t infringe on over people’s freedom
Not surprisingly, the states with high economic freedom are predominantly red states. But, the high personal freedom states are remarkably scattered across the political spectrum.
I’d argue that economic freedom is necessary in the medium and long term, but personal freedom is what makes libertarianism palatable in the short term.
robbzilla@reddit
All the way to the right is an authoritarian place. Libertarians wouldn't support an economy based on authoritarian principles. This is why the left/right graph is too simplistic.
Affectionate-Ad-9683@reddit
I don’t think I’d be full libertarian because I do think there are some things that the government can help with. Also, if there was no government, someone would end up making a quasi government anyways. But there are definitely a lot of republicans who think they’re libertarians until things like immigration and bodily autonomy come up.
Deuce46@reddit
Because we’ve been hijacked by MAGA cunts. It’s no different than how the GOP was hijacked by the Tea Party, ultimately evolving into MAGA.
I abandoned the GOP a long time ago. I was a registered Republican for 15 years, the Tea Party drove me away, and Trump was the final nail in the coffin ultimately making me register as a Libertarian. Being a Libertarian lately is starting to feel an awful lot like being a Republican in 2012. I want to believe the party isn’t totally lost yet, but I’m considering changing my registration to Independent because this doesn’t feel right anymore.
It used to feel like we all had the same goal of leaving each other the fuck alone to live our lives our way. Now the party is crawling with ancaps, and anything outside of extreme fiscal conservatism makes you a pariah.
mycatsellsblow@reddit
Yup r/libertarianmemes is a perfect example of what you are saying. It's literally just a MAGA propaganda sub that pretends they are staunch libertarians.
NeuroPsych1991@reddit
It’s not that simple. When the government is spending our tax money to fund the illegal immigration that’s a problem. If the government would stay out of it, then yes let people travel where they want.
1980Phils@reddit
I, for one, believe all People should have the right to immigrate and emigrate.
ErasmusRex@reddit
is this libertarian sub anti-immigration? 🤨
YetAnotherCommenter@reddit
No, but there is nothing un-libertarian about criticizing the politically-opportunistic use of immigration policy as a kind of gerrymandering intended to strengthen anti-libertarian political forces.
cramers-wifes-bf@reddit
Setting up sanctuary, housing and government assistance with tax money is fucking bullshit. Not immigration.
robbzilla@reddit
Libertarians have various stances based on the individual. Some believe that the reduced-in-power "state" still has the duty to secure our borders. Some are more anarchistic and prefer a borderless state, and some simply don't want to have a state at all.
ErasmusRex@reddit
even if i avoid the traditional pissing match of defining the term "libertarian," and just accept what you wrote at face value, there is a big difference between "securing our borders" and being anti-immigration.
robbzilla@reddit
And the opinions I've seen over the years run the gamut. I lean toward more open borders, or at least a total revamp of our visa system for workers for now. I'd prefer other countries not use us as a steam vent, though.
Eleminohpe@reddit
Depends... are you immigrating to this sub legally? Also, are you planning to immigrate to this sub to promote the welfare state?
milesrayclark@reddit
Depends what is viewed as legal immigration. And a lot of the views here don’t follow libertarian ideology.
cramers-wifes-bf@reddit
The democrats have lost their fucking minds in recent years.
Barskor1@reddit
No government means there is no chart to be left or right in it.
bodhiseppuku@reddit
I didn't leave the Democrat party, it left me. Seems to be a common sentiment these days.
Vegetable_Bowl_5925@reddit
This post actually says a lot about why Trump won.
LukeTheRevhead01@reddit
Now put that blue part that says right under far right and it's accurate
MasterMongrel@reddit
This is what I thought all along, but other people around me who chug the mainstream Koolaid will argue to their death that it's the right who have shifted.
bmeezy1@reddit
Where would the founding fathers be on that graph? Thats where I am
chrisofchris@reddit
I too base my modern political philosophy off guys who have been dead for 200 years.
Push_Dose@reddit
Yeah we should get rid of it so women can’t vote
lemonjuice707@reddit
See that little arrow on the far right? Yeah they’d be at the tip of that arrow when talking about modern politics
future_pirate@reddit
I want open borders and legalized heroin but I also want to repeal all gun control and abolish public education so I guess by conventional standards I'm a mix of both extremes.
EditorStatus7466@reddit
MissHotPocket@reddit
Libertarians aren’t right wing nor left wing. They have their own wing lmfao
EditorStatus7466@reddit
Thencewasit@reddit
We are the asshole of the bird to continue the analogy.
misspelledusernaym@reddit
True we arent the left wing or the right wing in bird analogy.. but fascism would be the butt hole and making liberty the head. I like the other guy who repplied to you continuation of the bird analogy by saying libertarians are optimistic eagle...itarians.
jjtcoolkid@reddit
I think most would fall under the category of optimistic egalitarians
nein_nubb77@reddit
That’s right (no pun intended) the left became so extreme culturally that the moderates and right wing people are “far right.” This election taught us that the left went too far.
dontwasteink@reddit
There is only tyranny and chaos at the far ends.
You need a balance.
DRpatato@reddit
Back in my day we had 4 quadrants, and we used em.
Ph4antomPB@reddit
Long ago, the four quadrants lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the distribution chart attacked.
Neat_Chi@reddit
Only [insert my presidential candidate here], master of all 4 quadrants can bring about peace and prosperity. But when people needed him/her most, they didn’t vote for him/her
JackIsColors@reddit
This, but it's opposite.
American political discourse is soooo far right. Nothing that the Democrats do would be considered anything less of center, if not center right, in any other developed nation
The Republican victim complex is absolutely insufferable.
ssaall58214@reddit
This is why they lost and are going to continue to lose. It took the largest voter turnout in history for Biden. Any reasonable Republican would have won in 2020 and obviously in 2024 just about any rep would have. I keep looking at posts in moderate politics, centrist, liberal and a whole bunch of other subreddits it's like these people want to burn the whole thing down. Not even an ounce of introspection. And blindly banning anyone that doesn't agree They just don't get it. Also the people that are mods on Reddit really need to be tapered down they are legitimately stopping rational discourse.
rramaa@reddit
I dont think libertarians are left or right. Both of them(left and right) want to govern other people albeit through different mechanisms
And libertarians just want to live without any interference(mostly). Dont think either left or right wings will allow it. They are both about enforcing idealogies over others
YachtingChristopher@reddit
Link?
SynapticSignal@reddit
Why did America become so right wing? I'm genuinely curious from a social science perspective.
dreamache@reddit (OP)
You're reading the chart wrong. The left have become so far left, that it makes it appear as though centrist views are far-right.
lifasannrottivaetr@reddit
The Democrats are out of step with most Americans when it comes to immigration?
Who gives a fuck? Libertarians are usually out of step with most Americans in their policy positions, but that shouldn’t stop them from having convictions. Most Americans want occupational licensing, usury laws, tariffs, a minimum wage, cops on every corner, and a trillion dollar military.
One thing I find baffling about these elections is that the winner thinks they have proven some kind of theorem by winning the equivalent of a coin toss. If you think there’s wisdom to be found in polls then you’re a fool.
Brother_Esau_76@reddit
Amen. “Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner…”
ThumbsDownThis@reddit
They've gone so far left that everyone who is not a democrat is far right lol
Maticus@reddit
The left and right dichotomy has never made sense to me. It seems to be more of a vibe thing than an actual policy thing.
Invulnerablility@reddit
Left and right tend to be more about economic policy, the right to be more in favor of a free market, the left being more restricted market, while libertarian and authoritarian is the axis most pertaining to culture.
lambo630@reddit
Especially since it seems most people believe in both left and right wing ideas. People love to bitch about centrists, but if you truly just agree with everything one party says then I have to imagine you don’t do much thinking for yourself. God forbid someone believes abortions should be legal, illegal immigrants should be deported, weed and other drugs should be legal, and we should be allowed to own guns.
drugdug@reddit
Why are you insulting my viewpoint 😂
nobinthewoods@reddit
Is this sub being co-opted by maga republicans? There’s nothing more irritating than seeing the Gadsden flag next to a trump flag. You guys aren’t Libertarians. You voted for overreaching government. Gtfo.
kikikiju@reddit
Rebulicans have always grifted and tried to take over Libertarian spaces. Republicans seem to see themselves as Libretarian yet still vote for a heavy-handed state. It's hilarious at this point.
Brother_Esau_76@reddit
Relevant meme:
john35093509@reddit
The words "progressive" and "tolerant" do not belong together.
john35093509@reddit
The words "progressive" and "tolerant" don't belong together.
drugdug@reddit
Both parties cater to the extremists. They vote.
Percentage-False@reddit
OP could you post link to that analysis I would love to have the original
Percentage-False@reddit
I got called a nazi when I said that taxation was theft and we should get rid of the federal reserve so i guess we are the UBER RIGHT WING idk
Rockpilotyear2000@reddit
There’s going to be a huge 180 on the left since so many policies have failed and will be exposed in the next 4. Otherwise they’ll lose their party completely.
Particular_Cost369@reddit
Anyone they don't agree with gets a "far right" label, don't let it bother you.
fatgirlnspandex@reddit
So I was listening to Eduardo Bolsonaro on the Jordan Peterson podcast. He was saying that this is the tactic that the US used in Brazil with the help of Bernie Sanders and others like AOC. They don't have a right but a far left and middle left. After looking this all up it was pretty true to what he was saying. Democrats have tried to do this in the IS over the last few elections too. Even with the censorship of the media outlets.
WingZeroCoder@reddit
Literally fascists.
PirateBrail@reddit
Hell yeah brother
Anyways, can ANY of you guys show me a dictator that identified himself as far right? AFAIK people call them right wing nowadays, like hitler, but he himself identified as a socialist
billybassboat@reddit
Behold The Holy Graph.
MultiPass21@reddit
Did you just assume my religion?
Tsk tsk.
Carnarork@reddit
Very far and very right