As for the other thing is my motherboard, I have the x570 taichi and it has so many RGB issues. It has one ARGB header that is barely able to hand the 6 RGB fans I have and the mono lighting NEVER works properly and the software is always messing up. It has even blue screened my pc before. I wish I got the experience everyone here is having..

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NormalPersonNumber3@reddit

I remember buying ASRock on a whim, and I was not disappointed. One of the best technical manuals I've ever read, and it helped me to optimize my hardware. I am so happy with that board, I'd definitely buy them again.

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Leo9991@reddit

What kind of hardware optimizations?

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NormalPersonNumber3@reddit

Things like knowing were all the PCI Express lanes are going, so I can see where the data bandwidth bottlenecks are.

For example, on my motherboard, there are many lanes that connect directly with the CPU, most of them reserved for the x16 slot commonly used for GPUs. 4 lanes are reserved for one NVME slot, and 4 are reserved for a PCI Express slot. (On mine, there is also one lane dedicated to a USB 3.0 slot that I mainly use with my VR system, though I think that's probably overkill, haha)

All remaining devices on the computer are connected to the remaining 4 PCI Express lanes, including every additional NVME slot on the motherboard. With that information, I bought a PCI Express x4 to NVME card to go into that PCI Express Slot for my secondary hard drive (Which I use to save my games to), so that 4 lanes are dedicated to my OS disk, 4 to the disk I store my games on, and the remaining 4 are for every other device connected to the computer, to maximize load speeds. I acknowledge that this kind of micro-optimization is way overkill, but I knew I was able to do that thanks to the ASRock Manual.

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notmyaccountbruh@reddit

Bu the way, on PCI-E lanes: WHERE THE FUCK DID THEY GO?! On AM5 generation looks like you only get 1 slot in addition to the one used by a GPU.

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teamsaxon@reddit

I acknowledge that this kind of micro-optimization is way overkill, but I knew I was able to do that thanks to the ASRock Manual.

and take the $20 off the motherboard price.

Spyrothedragon9972@reddit (OP)

This board isn't available anywhere in my country.

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Hellknightx@reddit

Wait, really? I would expect the 'e' version to have more features.

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Western_Broccoli_363@reddit

What's the issue with the x870 tomahawk?

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Lord_Vendrick@reddit

there was a few cases of 9800x3d’s being burnt out on the new x870 tomahawks. I just finished my new build this weekend and went with the msi pro x870 p wifi instead as i planned on the tomahawk originally and it’s been performing well thus far with no issues.

My guess is maybe they had a bad batch.

Article about 9800x3d burnout.

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mixplate@reddit

The problem was incorrect CPU insertion, not the motherboard, as seen by plastic being crushed in the socket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY0kEB-1MIc

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Lord_Vendrick@reddit

Oh wow, I didn’t see this that’s crazy.

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GolfCoyote@reddit

God ASUS is awful now, I went through 3 motherboards in a month while doing an AM4 build last year. Finally gave up and went with an MSI board and have had zero issues.

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Neraxis@reddit

10 years using ASUS laptops, the only one still in good condition is the 2011 model before they went to shit and cheaped out on everything they could get away with.

Well Asus issue is mostly they don't give a shit for customers and their price for what you get doesn't work. That's hard things to solve. Asrock RMA process is solid and their price for what you get is about the best in the business. So, there is that. I'd echo the person above, the PG Lightning is a good option X670E. Their X870E option is a good value for what you get, though I wish it had 10Gbe instead of 5Gbe.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/motherboards/asrock-x870e-taichi-review

Still, compared to options near it: it performs better, costs less (sometimes a lot less) and looks beautiful. BIOS is VERY solid, and you get all the features you could want otherwise.

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Xaan83@reddit

ASUS' issue has been, and continues to be that they don't give a shit about the customer. So no, they haven't fixed that

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NeighborhoodOdd9584@reddit

I don’t have any with my Asus board, but I’m not the pickiest lol

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ddeerrtt5@reddit

I've daily driven an Asrock ab350m pro4 and an ASRock ab450m pro4.

Never had an issue, stable and good value!

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DollarsAtStarNumber@reddit

I hate having brand loyalty. But ASRock is the only Mobo brand I've never had problems with out of the box.

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10YearsANoob@reddit

asrock used to have a bad rep

I don't get it. They're based in Taiwan near the equator yet they used to have problems with humidity.

My guy the humidity where we're at is at 80% at the lowest. How did they manage to forget about it?

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hamfinity@reddit

I agree that asrock used to have a bad rep but that got taken by asus

StepDownTA@reddit

Do you have a lot of USB devices plugged in? If so try removing all of them and rebooting.

I considered getting the B650 Steel Legend, but I ended up getting this motherboard myself as it looked fairly similar spec wise and the Asrock board was a fair bit more expensive.

Hopefully it all works out.

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Pitiful-Assistance-1@reddit

And yet Photoshop and Lightroom are still very slow and half the optimizations don't scale over many cores.

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LisaandNeil@reddit

Probably all true, we're not PC experts, just trying to answer the specific question from a hopefully relevant viewpoint.

We tend to try and keep our PC's as long as possible and to have a certain amount of upgrade potential so having gen 5 Nvme and also DDR5 seemed sensible. No idea if the other boards listed do or don't have that. As for SSD speeds we have a Crucial T705 for OS/PR/PS and it's faster for some tasks but in normal events runs about the same speed as Samsung gen4 990 pro's. We'd have gone for Samsung for the OS if there had been an option in gen5 presented.

We have smaller files than you, 4xA9's but still large amounts of course with us both shooting. Adobe stuff runs really well now.

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Pitiful-Assistance-1@reddit

That Crucial T705 is extremely fast, yes. 990 Pros are also excellent.

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PuzzleheadedUnit1758@reddit

I have the Asus Prime x870-P Wifi with Ryzen 9 7900x3d and it works great.

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Elitefuture@reddit

I've honestly never heard people cimpare the audio between the boards. Most people have usb or wireless headsets... if you have a 3.5mm headphones, then it may sound different. But if you really cared about audio, you'd get an external dac + amp.th

The ports can be fixed by getting a pcie card with extra ports if the price isn't too bad.

Amd has been using less power over the past few generations at least.

In what world? Are we really going to pretend that with Zen 4 AMD didn't increase the power consumption across the board only because the X3D are voltage limited?

6 core got a 40W bump, 12 core plus 30W and the 16 core SKU got a whopping 90W increase.

With Zen 5 they tried to revert back but there was basically no performance uplift so they created the Extended cTDP bullshit to boost it back up again.

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Elitefuture@reddit

Fair, now that I have done more research, I was just swayed by the 9700x power consumption. The 9700x matched the 1700x and thought that they were fairly consistent. But the 7700x and 3900x are close, so they didn't really get better.

But staying consistent is still good. 1700x-9700x are all around the same power except the 5700x and 7700x. The 5700x actually used less power than the rest and the 7700x used more. So they took a step forward in efficiency, then 2 steps back with the 7000, then a step forward for the 9000.

The stagnating power consumption is good imo.

The difference between the ALC892 and ALC1220 is audible on the lowest of low end hardware for untrained ears. “Most people”? According to whom? A lot of medium to high end headphones, microphones & headsets use the 3.5mm jacks. Sennheiser is one of those companies. The cheapest of the cheapest products are almost guaranteed to use USB, though.

No it boots very quickly. The latest bios is fast and solid.

So you have Expo and memory context restore turned on?

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LudensKekko@reddit

Expo yes, MCR I haven't played with just yet. I'll definitely give it a go. Which bios version are you on at the moment? I've heard from a few peeps that the latest BIOS works, just not sure which version they mean, the MSI website is a bit confusing. Is it the latest non beta version?

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Alternative_Wait8256@reddit

7D75v1K is what I'm on. Memory context restore will basically give you old school boot times. That said with the 1K bios it boots really fast even without it.

If I remember correctly the MCR setting is sometimes not the easiest to find, don't forget the search function :)

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burningicecube@reddit

I have the same board, it's been great but I had to turn on memory context restore for the fast boot. Is there any downside to MCR? I have to look into updating the BIOS.

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LudensKekko@reddit

I'm sorry, did you just say the MSI bios has a search function?? How have I missed this??? Thank you for the tips though, I really appreciate the help!

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Alternative_Wait8256@reddit

Lol yep there is a search. :) Somewhere near the top maybe. Pretty sure you have to be in advanced mode.

ohdannyboy73@reddit

MSI Tomahawk x870 and it is wonderful. Boot time was slow when I first got it, but that has been fixed. I'm very happy with this board so far running 7800x3d with 4070ti super.

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mikey_licked_it@reddit

I just got the msi x870 tomahawk and love it so far. Build quality feels great, bios is solid. No real complaints so far and it has wifi7 which is something I wanted

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NeverEndingXsin@reddit

I've got an asrock x670e steel legend paired with a 7800x3d (soon to be 9800x3d) and it's been perfect, no complaints at all.

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FilthyCasual04@reddit

Why upgrade for a small increase. With some games there being a less than 5% increase in perf on 1080p.

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NeverEndingXsin@reddit

To be completely honest, I don't need the upgrade and recognize that even at 1440P it may not be worth it.

The only reason I am considering it is because I can sell my 7800X3D to offset a bulk of the price and essentially get the 9800X3D for \~$200.

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Swimming-Solution-88@reddit

thanks, i make sure to update the bios first thing and hope everything goes smooth

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Dyrogitory@reddit

I built my rig over a year ago so the XPO feature was super unstable. Constantly crashing and having to reconfigure everything. The last straw was when my GPU would only allow one monitor to display. Configuration didn’t matter, which slot didn’t matter. Only one monitor lit up. So, I moved to PCIe #2 and both monitors worked fine. I wanted to send it back but have read so much bad press on ASUS, I just keep it in my closet.

ASUS boards have a bad reputation at the moment because of the overvolting issues last year and their poor (read terrible) warranty support, but I’ve only seen one DOA so far out of maybe 15-20 units.

Personally I’d avoid the Eagle when the Aorus is right there. You can keep a good AMD mobo for a long time and you never know when you’re going to need more ports.

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Scalarmotion@reddit

Armory Crate has a mixed reputation

YouTubers and pc people online are currently really in love with AsRock right now and the other brands have had hits to their reputation. That's how a lot of people get their info these days.

I'd have loved to buy an AsRock Nova this week, but went with gigabyte simply because they're in stock lol

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TwixtTwo@reddit

ASRock used to be actual garbage but yeah, at the moment their reputation is good. Thing is OP didn’t ask about them, and unfortunately Best Buy doesn’t sell them either so I can’t comment.

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Rilandaras@reddit

While not extensive, I've built probably around 20 PCs at this point, from a dirt-cheap office machine to a pimped out $5K machine. The only failed MB has been a Biostar around 10 years ago and it was dead on arrival, so I just got a replacement from the shop.

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I like the ASUS better for the bios software,

Ive never had any issue with any brand in the last 20 years, I’ve used and built countless pcs for people with different MBs

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Caspid@reddit

Gigabyte B650I ITX was the only one with 3 M.2 ports. Worth it.

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LuckyTwoSeven@reddit

Gigabyte? Absolutely not. The state of AM5 MOBO’s is MSI all day everyday or bust.

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GreenKumara@reddit

You'll hear horror stores from all the big name companies.

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EirHc@reddit

I have an MSI X670E TOMAHAWK. I'd say it's a pretty good mobo except boot times are a little slow. That said, there's been a firmware update in July that says:

Optimize system boot time

I got a R5 7600 a month ago, and using a MSI pro b650m-a wifi. And have no problems with it. For what I read the R5 max frequency for the ram is like 5200.

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Neraxis@reddit

ASUS is trash.

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smackythefrog@reddit

I went with the Tomahawk. I think it had the most ports compared to other B650 boards so it meant a good number of my peripherals would be able to be plugged in while still leaving room for the occasional peripherals. Wireless mouse and keyboard and game controller receiver vs an external SSD, and still having plenty of room for all of that without having to unplug anything.

It can get messy in the back with all the ports, though, if you use them all.

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Decoy_Barbell@reddit

Gigabyte will never get a dollar from me after the cracked PCB fiasco.

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Spyrothedragon9972@reddit (OP)

Whenever you update the BIOS, it resets all of your custom settings to defaults. So I had to go back in to enable the XMP profile, set Memory Context Restore and RAM Power Down Enabled back to "Enabled."

In Windows 11 Task Manager on the "Startup Apps" screen, I am showing 16.6s BIOS time.

When the MB was new, that was more like 45s.

But I think it was one of the BIOS updates from later in 2023 that really helped and got it down under 20s. From looking at my download history, seems I must have liked the 7d75v1A BIOS from 11/21/23 since I didn't have any newer BIOS update files downloaded until recently. I know I have not updated it in quite a while until I put the newest one on for the planned 9800x3d upgrade.

I have a MSI x870 tomahawk paired with a 9800x3d and it's pretty solid, I got them together as part of a bundle since it was the only way to get my hands on the CPU.

My RAM is some Corsair Samsung die garbage and is the only thing that has given me problems (It will not post at 6000mhz). I had an issue with posting early on when I was messing with memory context restore and power down settings in the bios but I'm confident it's the RAM and not the board. I've flashed the bios from an M.2 drive and cleared CMOS due to the above RAM issues and it has always booted no problem.

One other note, I've heard the realtek wireless chip on this board might be a bit buggy so if you aren't running wired I would avoid. I disabled mine in device manager so I can't comment personally.

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laffer1@reddit

I just did a msi b650 build. It’s stable. It does boot slowly. I usually buy Asus, asrock or gigabyte motherboards but it was a good deal. I also had some bad experiences with asrock so that was a hard pass this time. Last one killed my cpu

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gblawlz@reddit

I have an MSI x870 pro paired with a 9800x3d and it's been great. Bios is very nice. It "just works" so far. Tforce 48gb 7200 running at 6200 cl30 buildzoid timings. Stable first try. Coming from a 13700k with a gigabyte z790, that thing was a pos. Super terrible bios, very unstable for the dumbest things. I personally won't touch gigabyte for a long time

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derickhirasawa@reddit

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Am I missing something important?

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Possibly ...

If you plan on overclocking or a High watt CPU in the future, or if you're building for stability and now BSOD, then DRM phases are important.

Look at the VRM phases for the motherboards.

They will be a number like 8+2.

The first number is the number of phases for the CPU.

For less heat, smooth power at high wattage, and less vDroop, higher numbers of better quality VRM phases are better.

If you plan on overclocking or a High watt CPU in the future, then DRM phases are important.

If you only plan on a cheap low powered or possibly unstable system the you don't need to overspend on VRM's you won't need and you can spend your money on something else.

If motherboards seem to be all the same to you, then get the one with the most VRM phases.

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_OVERHATE_@reddit

Unrelated to the motherboard itself but as per data, most of the entry level ~100$ DAC/AMP Combos or stacks completely shit on even the most elite and expensive of the motherboards built in audio chips.

Both in power output, transparency and quality of the day chip and output configurations (single 3.5mm vs 3.5/4.4/6.3 jacks) plus in many cases support for true balanced output and much lower noise floor.

Basically, never, EVER spend money on a motherboard because "better audio". It's never worth it.

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Liesthroughisteeth@reddit

MSI, Gigabyte and Asrock in no particular order.

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m00dawg@reddit

I was finally looking at switching from AM4 but, oof, especially with X870, I've been largely unimpressed. Largely because motherboard makers have too much crap that I don't want (Wifi) which pushes out features I do want (more than 1-2 PCIe slots laid out in a sensible way). It's weird to me that X570S has more features, at least for me, than most X870 boards I've found seem to have.

I also watercool so when you add the whole heatspreader being kinda garbo, it's just a lot of cost and some tradeoffs just to get into the platform. Certainly the CPU performance is there but oof.

The B450 Tomahawk had an unusually powerful VRM for its price, which suddenly became important when Zen2 came out with 16 cores.

then it´s time to probably get something different but swapping to external sound device and a external fancontroller (Aquacomputer quadro even for aircooled build) just made me not to have to think about these two components when choosing a mainboard. Not overpaying hundrets of euros for a flagship mainboard with a different "better" codec.

I just run a simple Asus Xonar u7 mk2, with my headphones and M-Audio av32. Just hammer on the big knob and swap between speakers and headset. love it. Might not suite any quality ears or devices, but its enough for me, as it is conveniently easy to use and as i said, it just works (better than a pcie soundcard I had ages before I swapped to itx)

brother there all good it doesnt matter

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TwistedTechMike@reddit

I just finished a new build with the Aorus Elite recently. Its been rock solid. I cant speak to audio as I have a Schitt stack off to the side.

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EvilDan69@reddit

Honestly.. I've been a long time Asus fan. however recently my sister accidentally drowned her last pc...... so we went for a combo deal over the holidays. Gigabyte B650M Gaming Plus wifi, Amd R5 7700CPU, 32GB D5 6000MHZ Ram by T-Force. Not my usual brand for ram, but it works well for her.

The main thing is updating that motherboard bios, setting up the proper XMP RAM profile for AMD, and making sure to update to all the latest drivers, which the AMD software did automatically once we installed Windows. It was the nicest thing and talk about convenience. I was very happy about that.

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Rapom613@reddit

I have an asrock b650e PG ITX in my build. No complaints at all, has everything I needed and wanted, for a fair price.

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FDrybob@reddit

I do have a big complaint with it. It doesn't have BIOS Flashback, despite all of Asrock's other AM5 ITX boards having it. Even their A620i has it, yet their most premium AM5 ITX board doesn't. It's baffling. I got the A620i for now, and it has been working well, but I'm waiting to see if things improve once new boards launch in early 2025.

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Wojtkie@reddit

I have that B650 AORUS, thing is solid. Boots super fast.

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suprvillin@reddit

b650 boards imo are the way to go for average users i got a msi mag tomahawk b650 the other day and bios flashed it for 9800x3d

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kubunio10@reddit

All going well? I too have a 9800x3d on the way and been eyeing the msi tomahawk b650 but seen that it might have issues with boot times, so wondering of your experience with the board.

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m4tic@reddit

That is a DDR5 architecture issue. In most cases, get the board running how you want, then turn on memory context restore. Might be buried under advanced DRAM timing settings.

All of the rackmount servers I set up that have DDR5 take forever for first boot. This is Zen4 Epyc 9004 and up.

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_dharwin@reddit

Has anyone mentioned Context Restore?

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suprvillin@reddit

My experience has been good and i like it my only gripes are

The boot times thing is true like it does take a good couple seconds to boot to lock screen

And msi boards come with a on board bloatware driver menu but that can be disabled in bios

This isn’t a gripe but you will have to bios flash because i doubt majority of b650 boards are updated to support 9800x3d

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saggingrufus@reddit

I used that gigabyte motherboard, or tried to. It was DOA and it had absolutely nothing to help me determine that. There were no beep codes, there is only a singular LED for each step of the post. I had a red CPU light. I returned the CPU and got a new one, I still had a red CPU light.

It did not post, it gave absolutely zero output to anything monitors or anything on the board. Other than that one CPU light.

Whether that gigabyte board is good or not, I don't recommend it. It sucks the diagnose.

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vapeducator@reddit

Sometimes it's better to pay more for a motherboard if you plan to keep the system with many future CPU and other upgrades. This is why it can be better to go with the best X870E chipset, which would be the Gigabyte X870E AORUS ELITE WIFI7. It has quite a few benefits today with PCIe v5, more PCIe channels, faster 160Mhz 6Ghz channels, faster overclocking RAM support, better power management and heat sinking for high power CPUs.

One warning about older B650 motherboards is that they may not boot up out-of-the box with the latest Granite Ridge CPUs. Updating the BIOS may be required, which is a bit of a pain to get going. Not terrible, just inconvenient. I had this problem with the Gigabyte B650 AORUS Elite AX Elite ICE. It required an updated bios to use the AMD Ryzen 5 9600X. I went with the B650 chipset because 9600X CPU is probably never going to be updated to something newer or better in the future, and everything else is good enough.

One unusual problem is that the motherboard indicated failure of the RAM test when booting, when the real problem was the CPU compatibility, not the RAM. Once I updated the bios, the RAM checked out fine.

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Milios12@reddit

Despite what people say, I've had gigabyte mobos for my last two builds and didn't have any issues.

I wouldn't touch overpriced ASUS trash. MSI is hit or miss.

Elitefuture@reddit

Yup, now that I have more knowledge, I would've gotten the asrock board. I was at microcenter and there were no reviews on these boards yet. So I picked off of name alone. All the asus drama came out later. I now heavily prefer asrock.

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doggydp@reddit

Well, for the last gen or even maybe last 2 gen - on both Intel and AMD - it's their 'entry level' board - it's often the one used in prebuilts, too, if I'm not mistaken or at least for starting 'entry' if you configure a prebuilt?

Maybe start a 'just in case, Asrock mobo' fund? :)

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bwillpaw@reddit

ASRock pro rs x670e probably best features to $ board out there.

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100drunkenhorses@reddit

y'all are having ASRock problems? the only boards I have trouble with the gigabyte because their bios is really stupid. I only have gigabyte due to the ITX and holding 3 m.2 drives

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Officer-McDanglyton@reddit

You can’t really go wrong for the most part if you’re buying something name brand and it has the right features for you. I’ve bought 4 AM5 boards. I bought 2 MSI boards because I’ve had good luck with my MSI components in the past and they’ve been good. Then I got a Asus because it was on sale, and it came D.O.A. (Which turned out to be fairly common when I read more reviews) so I returned it for another MSI.

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RaymoVizion@reddit

I'm on an Asrock board for AM5 no issues so far. Very stable.

steamedturtle@reddit

I had an ASrock AM4 board that served me well for about 5 years until I upgraded last year. Using an Asus B650 E-F now, and it has worked perfectly fine. I don’t use Armory Crate. And the boot times are fine, but they were/can be weird. But again, they’ve been fine since I flashed a newer bios.

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engrng@reddit

I bought the MSI X870 Tomahawk after using Asus mobos for my last 4 PC builds. Never again. It’s a real piece of shit.

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allBSnoBS@reddit

I know Asus is in a bad light at the moment, but I’ve used Asus motherboards for all my builds in the last 10 years and never had any issues. I’ll personally use another Asus motherboard for my new build for the rtx 5000 series.

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InvestigatorSenior@reddit

I'm a happy user of Asrock B650e riptide wifi together with 7900x. So far no problems and they had bioses with stability fixes sooner than some other brands back when it mattered.

Also the only brand I know about that had correct Vsoc during 7000 series CPU burning out drama.

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biker_jay@reddit

I have an older gigabyte and a newer msi. The gigabyte audio is way better and has an optical out connection.

As far as 3.2 USB goes you can always buy a hub.

If I'm avoiding any brand it would be asus and their absolutely horrendous customer service + overpriced products

I'd get the asrock b650 pro rs at $216 and call it a day

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MikeTheGrass@reddit

I am putting in my 2 cents. I have the Aorus Board rev. 2 version with a 7800x3d and it's been rock solid. Zero issues. No long boots or anything. Great bios as well.

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AdhocAnchovie@reddit

By the same logic that all these amd supporters excuse the bad am5 quality, I could sugest going for a 12th seeries i7 or i9 intel, that you will switch to a 14th i9 in 5 years or so. Boards are cheaper and the upgrades are already out. The 13/14th fiasco is already dealt with, and it will be an easy upgrade for the nex 3-5 years.

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Gabito991@reddit

I dunno, I bought a X570 Extreme 4 from AsRock in 2021 and it stills holding pretty good. Zero drama.
Can't say the same about the last Gigabyte mobo I had because a fan pin started to make kind of sparkles and died. The mobo was fine, but it was a scary AF moment lol.

I like MSI best because I mess around with overclocking quite a lot and I like their bios the most. But their low end models are quite bad in comparison with the competition and I'm not a fan of the "dragon focused" styling. Going for Am5 I went with a gigabyte b650m Aorus elite ax because it was cheaper than the MSI mortar and offered pcie5 m.2 slot where MSI only had pcie4 in their b650 boards. The bios took some getting used to but I'm very happy so far. May try ASRock next as they seem really good bang for buck but the bios looks quite unfriendly. I'd only go for Asus if money was no object and I could get their top tier boards which cost stupid money. The standard tuf & lower end rog-strix boards seem overpriced and not better than the competitors. I also don't really like their bios as they like to name common settings their own way.

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belinadoseujorge@reddit

Gigabyte is the only option to AVOID

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Lexxino89@reddit

I have the Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX V2 which is reasonably priced imo. There's also the non wifi version.

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TwitterUser47@reddit

I’ve had a gigabyte gaming x motherboard running in my desktop for almost 5 years and I’ve never had a single issue with it. I’m using a Ryzen 7 though so my circumstances could be different than yours

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Impossible_Okra@reddit

I currently use the Asus B650M Plus Wifi TUF board. I like the built in IO shield, 2.5 gb ethernet and usb c 20gb. Also it's almost all black (with yellow accents). I think my 2.5 gb ethernet and wifi are from Realtek not Intel.

I'd take a look at the features, ports and slots.

Also consider checking Amazon resale/warehouse for an open box motherboard. Often time it's just a customer return that was barely opened up. You could get significant discounts versus new. Through Im not sure about the impact on the warranty.

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TwixtTwo@reddit

If you do this just be very careful to check the socket for damage. I’ve seen customers mess up installing the CPU and then return the product after damaging the board.

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_Rah@reddit

Nil stability issues on my Asus. Boot times are probably long, but I reboot like once a month, so I don't it actually know for sure how long it takes.