The undersea cable between Finland and Germany has been severed – communication links are down.

Zero because there is no point , critical stuff has redundancies and you can’t get enough of them without being spotted and them inviting retaliation.

Inconvenience yes, disaster …no

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Wild-Lengthiness2695@reddit

Obviously a lot of you don’t understand the concept of how the internet even works ……

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Sunbeamsoffglass@reddit

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/16/russian-spy-ship-escorted-away-from-internet-cables-in-irish-sea

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imsaneinthebrain@reddit

But let’s not forget this event

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/nord-stream-pipeline-explosion-real-story-da24839c

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68401870 (last paragraph)

Things aren’t always what they initially seem.

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stokelymitchell@reddit

Could end up a bit of a windfall for Elon and Starlink no?

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A-Matter-Of-Time@reddit

Not really as Starlink links back down to the ground and connects to the internet as soon as it can as it doesn’t have the bandwidth to move everyone’s data just using its system alone.

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irrision@reddit

Can confirm as someone who works in IT. Also it doesn't take that long to repair an undersea fiber cable. It's not a permanent thing.

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Traficom Ylelle: The submarine cable between Finland and Germany has broken - communication links are down The cable has broken, Traficom tells Yle. According to Cinia, the fault was discovered after 4 a.m. on Monday morning. Viivi Koivistoinen, Tiina Aspeslagh

12:18-Updated 13:54

Disclaimer: I can’t verify the translation

Cinia Oy’s C-Lion1 submarine cable between Finland and Germany has broken. According to a press release from Cinia, a state-owned company that builds fibre optic networks and provides telecommunications services, a fault was detected in the cable after 4am on Monday morning. The telecommunication links on the submarine cable are down. The cable break was confirmed to Yle by Samuli Bergström, Director of Traficom’s Cyber Security Centre.

• ⁠The causes are currently being investigated. Interruptions can happen from time to time and there can be several reasons, for example they are vulnerable to weather and damage from shipping. The key is that the problems are detected and corrective measures are taken,” he says. He would not comment on where the cable has broken. According to Mr Bergström, the break affects international connections. • ⁠However, it is worth noting that telecommunications connections from Finland to the rest of the world go through several different locations. Now one of these connections is down, which could put a strain on the others. This is unlikely to have any effect on the ordinary citizen.

Cinia says in a press release that international telecommunications connections in Finland are backed up via several routes and the impact of a single cable failure depends on the back-up levels of the service providers’ connections. The cable is 1 173 kilometres long and runs between Santahamina in Helsinki and Rostock in Germany. The cause of the failure is not yet known, according to the release. Cinia says that a repair vessel is ready to go on site and that the repair work has started. According to Cinia, the exact repair time is not yet known, but normally the repair time for submarine cables is between 5 and 15 days. The C-Lion1 submarine cable was commissioned in 2016. It is the only submarine cable in Finland that runs directly to Central Europe. According to Cinia Communications, a press conference will be held at 16:00. We will update the news.

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Impossible_Range6953@reddit

ok but we all know it's Russia. If it impacts Finland, it's Russia...

they took care of business this weekend. I wonder what else they hit that we dont know about.

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BeneficialBack1264@reddit

We literally saw the ship that does this hanging off the waters. So... Like can we send a submarine drone down to record them? Then we can just fucking torpedo the ship.

I want dead people.

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Andregco@reddit

Bloodthirsty reddit arm chair general alert

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BeneficialBack1264@reddit

Yeah, I am generally upset by the shit Russia is pulling against the world. Putin is a piece of shit.

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fruderduck@reddit

Or Musk?

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gsrmn@reddit

Is this why putin and German dude talked in private?

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newarkdanny@reddit

Out of curiosity how easy are these to get to? I had it in my head these would be something damn near bottom of the ocean only accessible by a few select nations/teams

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BennificentKen@reddit

Each cable has to come up on land somewhere, and the locations are often well known because companies that own the cables have to put a small data center at the landing point. They're often very well-documented, mostly to avoid damaging them accidentally. Any idiot can do it, because idiots do it accidentally all the time.

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Tradtrade@reddit (OP)

I’m no expert but if they can accidentally be damaged by weather and shipping I assume they aren’t actually hard to reach at least in some spots

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Toof@reddit

Well, a lot of ships use chain anchors, to my knowledge, where they just drop down a long heavy chain which then drags across the bottom to hold the ship relatively in place. They can easily be drug over the cables by accident... Or potentially purposefully.

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Tradtrade@reddit (OP)

Yep that’s also my knowledge but 2 in a day seems careless

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Inclusive_3Dprinting@reddit

It's sort of hard to guard the ocean floor.

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SpicyPickle101@reddit

Former subsea cable guy here.

The cables are only buried/ trenched to a pre-determined water depth. Once past that, it is laid in the surface. In these cases they will use a ROV to locate and hook up then pull to surface for repair.

In the old days, we would grab with huge grapples that would drag across the ocean floor. In theory, if someone wanted to damage a line, they. could drag until they caught it. Not very likely unless you have some very good info and a shit ton of money.

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Amazing_Connection@reddit

Russia has a shit ton of money

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turkey_sandwiches@reddit

All it really takes is dragging an anchor across them.

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backcountry57@reddit

Most of them are armored cable around a few inches in diameter. The water between France and Germany is not particularly deep and could easily be reached by ROV type mini sub, and then cut with pretty standard industrial tooling.

Alternatively, in shallow water, such as that or the English channel, you could probably drag a boat anchor behind your ship and cut the cable that way

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Suckamanhwewhuuut@reddit

Yeah but then you run the risk of grabbing both countries and dragging them along with the boat???!!!

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fqfce@reddit

There was a doc I saw about Russian mysterious “research” vessels that troll that area and have already “accidentally” dragged things like their anchor and have cut lines before.

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melympia@reddit

Hmm. Just a few days ago, a spy ship was seen near a cable connecting the UK to... Europe?

And now a different cable has been severed.

Hmmm. Why does that make me think that not all spy ships near submarine cables have been seen?

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BennificentKen@reddit

Not even spy ships - everyone can apparently see the ship doing this.

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Amazing_Connection@reddit

It’s the Russians

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NosaczusPospolitus@reddit

who destroyed nord stream 2?

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Traditional_Gas8325@reddit

Ukrainians via help from Merica.

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Dabat1@reddit

He says, without a hint of evidence or irony.

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Traditional_Gas8325@reddit

It’s been as confirmed as it possibly can be. We’re not the good guys.

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Dabat1@reddit

Ah, I see you're not a student of history, politics or current world events, are you? XD

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Traditional_Gas8325@reddit

I have read history. Were we the good guys in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, venezuala or any other country we couped?

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Dabat1@reddit

Debatable. Yes. Debatable. No. And finally depends on the circumstances.

Anything else?

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Traditional_Gas8325@reddit

Nah I’m good. I’m able to read and judge if we’ve been hoodwinked by the pentagon and political class. Hope you find yourself on the right side of history one day. ✌️

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Dabat1@reddit

And I'm able to read all of human history and know when somebody has been taken by obvious anti-US propaganda.

So, since you are such a student of history and I am so foolish, you can simply prove your point to everyone by pointing out a single world power that was better than the United States is now... But we both already know that you can't so how about we skip to the part where you delete your comments and stop replying, yeah?

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Traditional_Gas8325@reddit

A better world power? Why can’t we be the better world power?

-I didn’t delete any comments. - this isn’t anti US propaganda. It’s anti-senseless-war-murder of innocent civilians.

You’re on the wrong side of history and may be unwell. Good luck.

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Dabat1@reddit

Taking your ball and going home when you can't back up your point. See? Just like I said.

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Traditional_Gas8325@reddit

You’re beginning from a false dichotomy. We don’t “have to be better than country X”. We should be a better America that spreads peace not coups. You’re a terrible debater and sound like a neocon.

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Dabat1@reddit

Incorrect. I am stating that, even after taking into account moral relativism and humanitarian ethics, The United States is bar none the best world power there ever was. Not only that, but the only nations currently poised to take over global control from the United States (should it suddenly fall, collapse or vanish) are demonstrably far worse right now.

In the future when another nation with humanitarian ethic is strong enough that they are able to take the mantle and wants it? Then fine, let them deal with all the worlds problems and be at fault no matter what happens.

But that isn't now.

You want that better America? Work for it. Because screaming "aMeRiCa BaD1!1!" sure isn't doing it, sweetheart. Especially when you are so laughably wrong in your very first comment.

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morhambot@reddit

Well they still have star link ?

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AdditionalAd9794@reddit

Remember Russia just released "intel" that the west was going to do this.

Could really be self sabotage, or the Russians pre emptively passing blame for their own deeds.

If it was the Russians, it's kind of concerning they essentially told us what they were gonna do and still pulled it off

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ComingInSideways@reddit

They have done this misdirection (albeit ridiculous) before.

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AdditionalAd9794@reddit

So you mean this isn't the first time we fell for it

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ComingInSideways@reddit

Russia does this all the time like:

https://www.state.gov/russia-spreads-disinformation-to-cover-up-its-use-of-chemical-weapons-in-ukraine/

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aynhon@reddit

Projecting like Donnie.

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NumbEngineer@reddit

Surely there wouldn't be another attempt at the funni after nordstream

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Moist-Leggings@reddit

Russia wants a real war, why don't we fucking give them one?

Time to start deorbiting their satellites and severing their connections.

Or are we just going to wag a finger and tell them this is unacceptable?

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Shrewd-Intensions@reddit

They’ve been doing this across the Baltic and around the Atlantic for years… Dragging massive anchors/designed to cut cable across the seabed. It been well documented in various documentaries and news.

Recently intensified, for whatever reason. Response or aggression?

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