Nerf Guns are a sleeper toy meant to train young boys how to use firearms for when we eventually send them to war
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I LOVED Nerf guns as a kid. A lot of them actually have a bolt and magazine setup remarkably close to a real life rifle. That's kinda all I have to say lmao
Defiant-Giraffe@reddit
Mehh.
I used to lead a Cub Scout Pack.
Every time you take boys on any sort of outdoor outing, anywhere there are trees; give them 5 minutes to explore on their own and 90% of them will find a vaguely gun shaped stick and start playing some sort of war game.
Its not the toys.
Flaxinsas@reddit
It's almost like men are inherently violent and shouldn't be trusted.
Defiant-Giraffe@reddit
Yeah; because women who run countries Never start wars, do they?
Flaxinsas@reddit
How else would you explain the fact that boys almost always gravitate towards war games like team sports, laser tag, etc?
von_Roland@reddit
Wouldn’t gravitating towards team sports show men are inherently cooperative not violent
Flaxinsas@reddit
Sure, if they weren't always gravitating towards violent games like football and hockey.
von_Roland@reddit
Maybe it’s the joy of competition not violence in a situation which is controlled but they can really give it their all. Also men are drawn to a number of nonviolent sports like baseball and soccer which is the most popular sport in the world.
Defiant-Giraffe@reddit
Same reason girls do- except the boys are much better at leaving their animosity on the field and understanding its a game.
And this comes from years of experience coaching both.
Infamous-Arm3955@reddit
I'm actually having a hard time trying to name a contemporary woman leader that has started a war. I was going to say Thatcher/Falklands but I doubt even that.
von_Roland@reddit
The frequency of wars is way down from the old days
von_Roland@reddit
Statistically speaking women leaders start more wars per capita
lemongrenade@reddit
Dude we all played with gun stick before we got nerf guns
Muhiggins@reddit
You guys don’t use your fingers?
Famous-Salary-1847@reddit
Only in your mom
Muhiggins@reddit
🫨
Slodin@reddit
wait till this guy see airsoft, and paintball
byGriff@reddit
Paintball is fucking violent. Got "hit" in the head and felt it with my teeth
DoNotEatMySoup@reddit (OP)
I stuck to Nerf guns because of a certain experience. I wanted to have a paintball party for my 10th birthday at the local paintball park. My dad said if he could shoot me full auto with a paintball gun shirtless and I didn't cry, then I could have a paintball party (I had a gun, just had never played). I agreed. We went in the back yard and from like 15 feet away he let it rip at my back/side and I cried. A lot. I didn't get my paintball party and I'm pretty sure I got like 4-5 big ass bruises from that. Fun times.
Quirky-Plantain-2080@reddit
When I was small my father climbed up the roof, set off a firework and threw a bundle of red cloth off the roof and shouted, „my god, Santa killed himself!”
No Christmas presents for a decade. It was a pretty genius move.
Fuck you, dad.
HunterDHunter@reddit
See my Dad just straight up refused. Not a single birthday or Christmas present my whole life.
Molested-Cholo-5305@reddit
Why are these people having kids lol
Cacophonous_Silence@reddit
I was a paintball ref for a while
Your dad's an asshole. Especially to do this when you're 10.
DoNotEatMySoup@reddit (OP)
I knew that lmao
byGriff@reddit
Nah that doesn't sound cool on his part. When my unc and his friends played (said incident happened that time), we had full body protection and helmets
DoNotEatMySoup@reddit (OP)
Yeah no, it was not cool on his part. My dad always introduced me to hobbies like "oh, you wanna try? I bet you don't actually, if you can overcome this incredibly hard/painful task related to said hobby, I'll let you do it". Definitely not a highlight of his parenting at all.
BrowningLoPower@reddit
He sounds like a piece of shit.
micsare4swingng@reddit
You wanna get in to archery?
Take this apple and go by the tree, then put the apple on your head.
If I can shoot the apple off your head, or miss and hit you, and you don’t bleed out, then you can start learning the bow and arrow.
Adybo123@reddit
That’s insane. You do not play paintball with bare skin and you don’t ever get shot ‘full auto’ - you play with semi-auto guns because there’s no point shooting anybody more than once except by accident because they’re already ‘dead’.
At some places, kids under 14ish play Speedball with smaller-diameter paintballs and more padding anyway.
captain_ghostface@reddit
Thats fucked up, i get he wanted you to feel whats its like to be shot before going, but when you play, you play with padding, not bare chested. Thats just sadistic.
shmittywerbenyaygrrr@reddit
You get used to it
Mostupidquestions@reddit
Got hit directly in the nipple playing paintball hurt like a mf lmao
SHMUCKLES_@reddit
Last time I went paint balling, my team mate turned on me and shot me in the dick from range
So when we were playing capture the case, I took the opportunity to unload my entire tank into his unarmed ass at point blank range
Watching him hobble around at work the next day was well worth
Bobby_Shafto-@reddit
Used to play airsoft when I was younger. When I shot a real M4 and AK-47 I knew exactly how to operate them: safety, charging handle, reloading, site picture et cetera. Even the weight was the same. Only real differences were recoil and trigger sensitivity.
Witchfinger84@reddit
Not true.
The toy industry just doesn't work like this.
The Nerf N-Strike Maverick was the first 'realistic' nerf gun on the market and it came out in 2004. It is only 20 years old. Nerf as a brand has existed since 1969, and the first nerf guns were in 1989 and 1992. So from the time of the 1992 Nerf Sharpshooter, it took them over ten years to make a true gun-like nerf gun.
All the nerf blasters between the Sharpshooter and the Maverick were all themed wacky on things like dinosaurs and bugs, or were bows or crossbows. I remember as a kid we used to take the bow parts off of nerf crossbows to make them look and feel more like guns, because the little elastic string and bow arm on the nerf crossbow was purely cosmetic, it wasn't actually part of the gun's action that drove the dart. The only thing the bow arm actually did was hold extra darts.
The toy industry runs opposite of real life war. You can actually tell how close the country is to international conflict by walking through a toy store and seeing how many military toys are on the shelf.
When GI Joes, camo military dress up costumes, toy guns, and gun-like nerf blasters are on the shelf, times are relatively peaceful and the US is only up to its normal "world police" military industrial complex shenanigans.
But the closer the country gets to an actual war, the less popular war toys get. War toys sell in peace time, not war time. The way that nerf rotates their products is not an accident, the real gun nerf blasters come out when we're not scared, but once it looks like WW3 is going to kick off, the dinosaur insect zombie nerf guns come back, because mommy isn't excited about buying her kids realistic gun toys when she's concerned that they might actually grow up and get drafted.
PsychologicalMix8499@reddit
Duh
Odysseus@reddit
Why would this be a crazy idea?
Everything we do as a social order, from driving to sports, is an extension of war. We're unable to turn off our military instinct. We like war and that's why we win.
We even like moaning and moping about how awful it is. It's the goose that laid the golden egg. Why would we kill it?
SkookumTree@reddit
This: it might have been true in the hunter gatherer days and maybe even during the agrarian era, but industrial warfare is something different entirely. Or maybe everyone was just fucked up by war and violence and when everyone is fucked up no one is. Even the ancients wrote about the horrors of war.
MrGritty17@reddit
How is driving an extension of war?
Odysseus@reddit
We take huge risks routinely and this filters out a lot of people who are afraid to do it or who can't afford it. We build large roads and accept animal and human deaths as routine. The roads themselves, especially the Eisenhower interstate system, were explicitly built for troop transport in emergency situations. And the skill in operating vehicles and keeping our nerves steeled and cooperating with other drivers in ad hoc situations all transfer.
MrGritty17@reddit
Sure that’s a perspective. You could also argue that car manufacturer lobbyist influenced the layouts of many major American cities where driving became a necessity. Why? To sell more cars. Most of americas history is made by large corporations trying to make more money. Bacon and eggs weren’t a breakfast staple until they were sold to us that way to sell more bacon and eggs.
Odysseus@reddit
I'm not sure how these views militate against each other.
arestheblue@reddit
Nah, nerf guns are expensive and rich people don't send their kids to war.
01101110-01100001@reddit
wait till you play COD
Shaggy1316@reddit
My exact thought. However, as much as i enjoy violent video games, they turned me into a war-hating pacifist.
Flaxinsas@reddit
A lot of shooting games and war movies are supposed to have anti-war messaging, but most people interpret them as pro-war because of the badass gunfights and explosions.
Dead_Baby_Kicker@reddit
The most recent version of All Quiet on the Western Front… I’m usually fine with war movies but that one hit different…. It definitely hits the mark as an anti war movie.
Shaggy1316@reddit
Yes, i agree, it's a mixed bag. I remember playing cod mw2 (2009) and feeling physically ill during the "no russian" bit. Then i was always a bit confused about the gung-ho military kids. In hindsight, i supposd they played no russian and got all worked up about putting a stop to such things, while i just decided violence is not for me.
frank26080115@reddit
have you played Spec Ops: The Line?
Shaggy1316@reddit
I have not. The closet game i have played to a military shooter in the past decade is titanfall 2. I have heard spec ops the line get discussed whenever no russian comes up.
frank26080115@reddit
there's a plot twist followed by a loading screen in the middle of it and it made me go "I should stop playing". it points out how easily you were fooled into thinking you are rightous and happyily going along with the game's plot thinking so.
Shaggy1316@reddit
Even though i have not played the game, i appreciate that sentiment so much. I think i it speaks to how easily manipulated a person is.
Excuse me while i rant a bit...
Our decision-making process comes from a complex system of neural connections and neurotransmitters. That system is directly influenced by external factors from the media we observe to the food we eat and everything in between. A system can manipulate these factors to influence how we view and react to the world. which, in turn, grants immense power to whichever system manipulates these factors in the most intelligent and efficient way.
All that to say, i feel bad for the gung-ho, love thy country types.
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Avaricio@reddit
Play-fighting is one of the oldest forms of play there is - even rats play fight. Humans just include our fighting tools in it. Even if we don't teach them to explicitly, kids will pick up a stick and pretend it's a sword. It's not some grand conspiracy to indoctrinate the youth.
thebipeds@reddit
Speaking of indoctrination conspiracy theories:
I do believe the defense department put funding into the Call Of Duty video game franchise as a recruitment tool.
Lucky-Science-2028@reddit
One time when i was like 16 i was sword fighting my friend with these huge sticks, they stood like 2-3 feet taller than me. I'm pretty good but then this older dude, like 25, walked up with his gf and challenged me to a fight. He absolutely whooped my ass, i couldn't get a single blow in. And even though he was matching my strength he out-manuvered me with every swing. I thought, and still do think that, that was one of the coolest encounters ever. Dude was super kind and we said our laters after a single fight but i don't think ill ever forget it
bernful@reddit
There’s a big difference between a sword and a gun.
Avaricio@reddit
It is arguable a sword is more inherently violent, as it is exclusively a weapon of war. A rifle has equal utility as a hunting tool.
Lil_ruggie@reddit
In this context there isn't really much of a difference.
bernful@reddit
There is gun culture in the US. There is no sword culture in the US. Hence the difference.
BC-K2@reddit
Just stop. Please.
bernful@reddit
What about my statement is wrong
D3AtHpAcIt0@reddit
You seem exhausting as a person.
single_ginkgo_leaf@reddit
Why? Both are deadly weapons of war.
One is a lot more effective, but they are the same thing at some fundamental level.
bernful@reddit
Because we have gun culture in the US, not sword culture
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buttsmcfatts@reddit
Dachshunds play war crimes. It's in all of us.
Bleglord@reddit
Almost all play comes from instinctual self defense or hunting training
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MaxwellPillMill@reddit
Wait till you realize what video games are for.
Shrikeangel@reddit
Kids will play with the subject of violence.
We can be aware of it and make it safe, or we can ignore it and they will hit each other with sticks as proxy for swords.
I would rather kids have nerf.
porcelainvacation@reddit
My parents, bless their MAGA hearts, were anti weapon and we weren’t allowed to play guns when I was a kid. I later realized that my dad and all of his friends were Vietnam veterans and they were all very serious about not encouraging gun culture, just seeing them as tools for killing and not to be worshipped or carried in a civilized society. Boy have we lost our way.
RogueCoon@reddit
We just had guns when I was a kid.
cyrilio@reddit
This is also the reason why violence is glorified in movies while love/sex isn’t.
Example: show a woman’s nipple and the film gets an R rating. Have 20 people shot (and killed) totally fine for 13+.
PopCultureCasualty@reddit
You're in the big league, you're into Big League Chew!
missing1776@reddit
“Remarkably close to a real life rifle”
Have you ever used a real rifle?
Just let kids have fun and stop being paranoid.
brod121@reddit
They’re not super different, or at least some aren’t. But most real rifles are pretty damn simple to operate. You can teach someone to shoot reasonably well in a few hours.
missing1776@reddit
To compare nerf guns to the real deal is just ridiculous no matter which way you spin it.
skihippy666@reddit
IDK. One of my nerf guns is mag fed, has a slide stop that locks open on the last round, pic rail and optics cut that fits a RMR. The non nerf brand hobby blasters get pretty real
brod121@reddit
Yeah this whole post is nuts, but I guess that’s the point of the sub lol
Northeast4life@reddit
Yeah my kids sniper has magazines.. scope.. lever you push forward to drop bullet into chamber an then slide back to load..
romulusnr@reddit
Son let me tell you about the Boy Scouts
ToBePacific@reddit
Wait til you find out about G.I. Joe…
OddVisual5051@reddit
Random gun-shaped sticks are also a sleeper toy pushed by big-tree so that little boys will go to war. Makes you think.
Beetle_Facts@reddit
Boys get guns and girls get dolls
EarthTrash@reddit
Toy guns are not good training for real guns. They teach you to be complacent around guns. A gun is a tool for killing. Don't respect that, and it could kill you or someone you care about.
wingspantt@reddit
I remember after Columbine it was really hard to find Nerf guns in toy stores for a couple years
IgnoranceIsShameful@reddit
Fast forward to Sandy Hook when gun and ammunition sales went through the roof.
American culture is sick
scoby_cat@reddit
Football…?
PoeJam@reddit
Nerf Footballs are sleeper toys meant to train young boys how to use grenades for when we eventually send them to war
rand0fand0@reddit
Yea. My Grandma never let us play with guns as kids. There was a lot of gang gun violence in the community at the time. Pretending to kill maybe isn’t a great game to play 🤷🏻♂️
geoprizmboy@reddit
Pretty common for lttle boys to want to be warriors. Even a thousand years ago they were playfighting with sticks. Animals like puppies and kittens playfight each other. It's just the people equivalent.
matthew23f@reddit
Good way to help teach gun safety in a safe environment too, but I do see your point. Definitely can desensitize people to guns.
Druid_of_Ash@reddit
Gun safety? You mean the toy advertised for shooting your fitness and family lmao.
yoursweetlord70@reddit
No no in small font they say not to aim at their faces it's ok
Purplegreenandred@reddit
You need to be desensitized to guns in the united states. Its important as a young child you instill gun safety even with nerf guns.
sundancer2788@reddit
I grew up around guns, military family and dad was a hunter. I learned very young that the gun is always loaded even when it isn't, and it's never pointed at anything but a target.
Purplegreenandred@reddit
Pretty much, i was taught this with nerf guns and airsoft guns as well. at the time i hated my parents cuz i couldnt gonto the airsoft or nerf war another kid was having, but it did drill out any mistakes every firearm is treated as if it was loaded even if it was the toy ones meant fornshooting people in a game.
LegendOfKhaos@reddit
There was a market for it and nerf took advantage. It's more of a commentary on how we glorify war in the US.
SmoothieBrian@reddit
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evel333@reddit
In a sense, many toys are simply “training” for the adult versions of things.
ddollarsign@reddit
Wait till you find out about team sports.
Adviceneedededdy@reddit
"Always has been" shoots you in the back of the head with a foam suction thingy
dae_giovanni@reddit
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Glum_Source_7411@reddit
"Sticks are sleeper toys meant to train boys to sword fight when we eventually send them to war"--some dumbass in Roman times.
Automatic-Section779@reddit
Ya. That sting ray one that fits on your arm was the one I had growing up. Damn thing broke after like ten uses. All it got me used to was disappointment.
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BigDaddyReptar@reddit
Idk about "sleeper toys" but yeah it definitely does get boys into the word of firearms in a very streamlined fashion and like you said a lot of nerf guns actually aren't that different from the base mechanics of real guns. The magazine works basically the same. Jams occur in similar ways and even some have a similar clearing rod. As for the actual bullet mechanism even that ist too far off only difference is instead of a striking rod providing the combustion for the gunpowder in the bullet the the "striking rod" in nerf guns provides the propulsion itself.
Nerf guns also quickly introduced the concepts of effective ranges dependant on barrel lengths and bullet type. Those little one shot pistols fly crazy and but the big snipers with an actual threaded barrel are fairly accurate.
objecter12@reddit
I mean, maybe a little, yeah.
But if you have a problem with toy manufacturers instilling the idea that guns/the military are cool into kids, pal your problem's a lot larger than nerf.
Party_Wagon@reddit
Doubtful an intentional conspiracy but gun- and combat- themed toys are definitely an expression of associating boys and men with warriorhood, which I'm sure does help with military recruitment.