AVIC's White Emperor Type B aka Baidi, a Chinese sixth-gen aircraft model seen at the Zhuhai Airshow
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Delphius1@reddit
umm, it was also built because it's in a movie kinda like a Chinese version of Top Gun which is also based off a book, it isn't actually a real aircraft
Old_Wallaby_7461@reddit
yeah, it's like the Dark Star
Ziggarot@reddit
Except the Dark Star is real* (I hope)
DolphinPunkCyber@reddit
It is a real 1:1 scale model of fantasy plane :)
Delphius1@reddit
Reportably, it is 'plausible', source Lockheed Martin
Maxrdt@reddit
It uses plausible technologies, but it's very obviously too small to be anything like the "real" design would be.
JackasaurusChance@reddit
Now that is an interesting comment. I know for boats a general calculation is the square root of the waterline length (I want to say in feet) X 1.4 for a rough estimate of the hull speed for displacement vessels, in knots of course.
What is air to a plane if not less dense water? Are there similar design characteristics for large endurance-oriented aircraft? I'd kind of assume that leading edge heat buildup from air friction becomes a primary concern at some point.
Maxrdt@reddit
I don't believe there's some similar general rule in terms of length because aircraft rely much less on riding their wake than boats do (though the XB-70 and XF-108 with the drooping wings would have used a similar effect). At any rate, above mach 10 that length would probably become pretty untenable anyways. No, the fact that it's too small comes from two reasons. The first of which is that we know the prop was limited by filming. From the designer:
The second is just vibes, it's conventional fighter sized and just looks too small. The length is about in line with the F-15 and F-22. Not small planes, but they're about 2/3 as long as the SR-71 which was nearly 33 m. You can see a good comparison to the SR-71 at the page above and it looks quite a bit smaller than even the 50% difference would account for on the basis of the square-cube law. To have the internal volume needed for the fuel that would be required at those speeds is doubtful. Hypersonic test vehicles like the X-43 had a flight time measured in seconds, and those didn't have to carry a person or accelerate on their own.
So between knowing that the prop was constrained in size combined with the lack of size compared to planes with a similar mission we can be pretty sure it's an underestimate for movie magic reasons. Hell, a future high-speed vehicle being manned at all is unlikely considering that you're right about leading edge heat buildup being an enemy. If the SR-71 had accelerated all-out the first thing to fail would have been the windows, followed by heat soak.
FuturePastNow@reddit
If your budget is big enough...
syringistic@reddit
Dark Star was a stand in for the SR-72, which is very much real. But it won't be piloted.
But with Lockheed actually assisting with the design of the Dark Star for Top Gun, the US was basically trolling the Chinese. Their involvement with the movie was the US military basically saying "you're still trying to catch up to the F-22, the only reason you are making a non-VTOL F-35 wannabe is because you stole all our designs for it, but we don't care. Here is what our hypersonic spy/attack plane will look like, have fun trying to copy it because it's gonna be 20-30 years before you are at this level of tech,'
andio76@reddit
uhh.....the SR-71 first flew in 1964 and they havent even gotten to THAT....let alone anything like the "Darkstar" knock off...
More like 60 -90 years...
syringistic@reddit
Nah, I'd argue sooner. Their industrial base + stealing ability are really only getting better every year. They will always lag behind the US military industrial complex, but they are definitely closing the gap, and making up for lack of quality with quantity.
Kardinal@reddit
There is no positive evidence that the SR-72 is real or that the US military is actually interested in it.
Ziggarot@reddit
Yep. Lockmart plays these psychological games all the time.
ComputersAreCool12@reddit
it may just be to like confuse chinese intelligence agents too
Snoo1535@reddit
And the f117 didn't "exist" until after it had been in service for years
Kardinal@reddit
That's not evidence. It's just not. I said there is no evidence and there isn't.
Snoo1535@reddit
That's how top secret programs work
Kardinal@reddit
That's not really how top secret Mass produce aircraft programs work in the modern age. You can look at things as simple as the X-37 for the B21 Raider or the way that the Joint Strike Fighter was developed or the way that the F-22 was developed or even how the Next Generation air dominance fighter programs for both the United States Navy and the United States Air Force are going for examples of that.
In the Modern Age of Open Source intelligence resources, it's nearly impossible to keep the existence of an aircraft entirely Secret. Especially one that is actually operational. The chances of it never being photographed, never being leaked, by anyone, either an American or someone overseas, is almost nil for an operational aircraft.
The only counter example I can think of are the so-called stealth blackhawks. And those don't have multi-thousand-mile range like a spy aircraft or a strike aircraft would, in which they have to be optically visible for hours on end.
But ultimately you're missing the fundamental point. There's no evidence. The assertion that was made is that it exists. There is no evidence that it exists. No one is saying that it cannot exist or that it's impossible that it exists. I said there is no evidence and there isn't.
t3hW1z4rd@reddit
The fact that it was on their own website and scrubbed seem me to be plausible evidence , no?
Single_Load_5989@reddit
$$$$ Spent by a for profit Corp. is pretty good evidence. Not rock solid but still pretty good that someone is interested enough
Kardinal@reddit
For-profit companies spend billions every year on advertising and marketing. They also spend billions on research.
I'm not saying there's no chance. I'm saying there's no evidence. There's just marketing and speculation.
n1elkyfan@reddit
This does pretty strong evidence.
https://youtu.be/QlMX6TYdU7I?si=SWAwU76nXhKBPmiA
Kardinal@reddit
I knew someone was going to link that to me. I almost put Alex hollings's name in my comment. I've watched that video and I've had pretty extensive discussions about it on reddit. There is no actual evidence.
n1elkyfan@reddit
There is no direct evidence, but their is definitely circumstantial evidence.
Kardinal@reddit
The assertion that the original comments are made was that the sr-72 exists. There is neither circumstantial nor positive evidence that the sr-72 exists. There is circumstantial evidence that the United States Air Force might be interested in it, but you could say that there are circumstantial evidence for many things which are not in fact true. In order to believe that something is true, it is reasonable to expect that there is positive evidence pointing to it. That is, some reason to believe based on what we can observe. We don't really have that here. There's no evidence we can point to where the most likely explanation is that the United States has any tangible interest in the sr-72 product.
syringistic@reddit
I'm not gonna do your research for you... But there have been press releases from Lockheed/Skunk works themselves going as far back as a decade ago, stating that they're working on it.
Do some googling and get back to me.
Kardinal@reddit
Oh I've done quite a bit of research on this. In the amateur sense of it. What you have is Lockheed Martin trying to sell the sr-72, not the United States actually showing any positive interest in it. If you read the press releases and the material that Lockheed Martin has put out there, you never see actual evidence of United States interest, what you see is Lockheed Martin saying they could do it or that it's available or they are researching it.
Ziggarot@reddit
I too can read Wikipedia lol
centexAwesome@reddit
Dark wing duck star.
vizistheway@reddit
aww =( like firefox should have been a real plane
Super-Skymaster@reddit
How do you say "Firefox" in Mandarin?
Would it translate "Invisible Soaring Fox Dragon?"
MithrilCoyote@reddit
Sadly far too .any news blogs seem to think it was meant to be a real concept
AppropriateCap8891@reddit
Like the MiG-31 in Firefox.
Live-Syrup-6456@reddit
J-22 Glorious Mallard
Major-Masterpiece-10@reddit
What movie is this for?
The-Safety-Expert@reddit
I want one.
Swaggerman27@reddit
r/acecombat
Lord-Cynic@reddit
NATO designation "quack"
KnowledgeAmoeba@reddit (OP)
China's 'NGAD' White Emperor 6th Generation Fighter Is a Problem for the Air Force
China unveils sixth-generation fighter vision
FLongis@reddit
lol
lmao, even.
cloudubious@reddit
Yeah this is a silly thing to claim is real. With air intakes exposing the engine blades, it would never be stealth. Also it's clearly a mock up built for a movie or something.
DolphinPunkCyber@reddit
It's a 1:1 scale model for a Sci-Fi plane from a novel. China never tried to present it as anything else.
Then we got these quote-military analysts-unquote with clickbait titles describing SHOCKING new 6th gen from China.
Then we get these other quote-journalists-unquote copying those articles.
I saw like... different copy/paste 7 articles about this "plane" so far. It's just a farm of bots collecting clicks.
Maar7en@reddit
China can't even properly copy the engines in their blackhawks. There's no proof their fifth gen fighter is fifth and your sources are worthless content mills.
This is a prop.
Sketchy_Uncle@reddit
Slaps tbh..
EmoSupportCricket@reddit
I hope they make an awesome movie where it flies alongside the darkstar or a good game with that mock-up
joeljaeggli@reddit
Those canards are there because the wing was generating to much lift...
0207424F@reddit
This is just a promotional model.
kurwamagal0@reddit
Damn I need italeri to do a scale model of this
jeepymcjeepface@reddit
NATO code name: HONK
Fluid_Mulberry394@reddit
Or KOHN.
kayl_breinhar@reddit
The front of it is literally the nose from the plane in Stealth.
At least they didn't give it swing wings.
reddituser00000111@reddit
It's the Darkstar lmao. The Chinese genuinely cannot come up with an original thought
Obnoxious_Gamer@reddit
What's the Chinese version of Big Suka Sukhoi?
Weird_Rooster_4307@reddit
Nice model. Does it fly or just look pretty?
ShermanDidNthWrong@reddit
this just in: china builds movie prop, lockmart in shambles
RainingDeath115@reddit
It's getting real fucking Ace Combat up in here.
stareagleur@reddit
So when do we get space elevators?
caribbean_caramel@reddit
After the Ulysses asteroid messes up everyone and after a few more world wars.
BillKlinton69@reddit
We already have them. They just have very good cloaking technology
myblueear@reddit
After space invaders for sure!
recitegod@reddit
it is missing the forward swept wing to make it truly bonkers
Vandirac@reddit
It's equally credible.
werewulf35@reddit
Good call on Ace Combat. I was looking at the exhaust and thinking Macross/Robotech.
caribbean_caramel@reddit
That's not a Sixth gen model, that thing came from a Chinese light novel. Is basically an ace combat anime airplane.
slumplus@reddit
The Darkstar from temu
onebronyguy@reddit
Quack 🦆
VoidDuck@reddit
quack
EYPAPLQ@reddit
Looks a bit like the Sukhoi 34, but with added stealth and platypus
skkkkkt@reddit
Why are we (the world in general) putting a lot of money and effort to upgrade this stuff, where we can do other stuff that aren't way better and more good to the people
SerTidy@reddit
Reminds me of the Talons in the movie Stealth
noofa01@reddit
Front on looks like a platypus.
AOA001@reddit
The F-19 “Platypus”
happierinverted@reddit
Aussie here. I thought exactly the same. :)
blackpearl1477@reddit
Looks more like a wipeout ship from the game. Maybe the designer was a fan? 😂
Fantastic_Version102@reddit
Dark star at home:
JoyfulJourneyer14@reddit
good loooking, but still chinesee crap
machinegunnedburger@reddit
That's straight outta Ace Combat
viperfan7@reddit
Remember that movie "Stealth"?
Yeah, that's what it looks like
Vreas@reddit
What even are the qualifications for sixth gen?
Stealth, drone swarm control, autonomous/remote controlled flight, electronic warfare in addition to traditional munitions?
Statertater@reddit
Looks crazy similar to the Falken in Ace Combat
DesdemonaDestiny@reddit
Chinese Firefox
MicahBurke@reddit
火狐
Huǒhú
AppropriateCap8891@reddit
Except that was actually a good movie.
DesdemonaDestiny@reddit
True. But equally fictional.
MicahBurke@reddit
Those vertical stabilizers aren't gonna work.
roehnin@reddit
Nice duckbill
Ian1231100@reddit
Me: Mom, I want an ADF-01 Falken
Mom: We have an ADF-01 Falken at home.
ADF-01 Falken at home:
SimplyRocketSurgery@reddit
🦆
Commissar_David@reddit
That looks like Perry the Platapus.
PhantomRaptor1@reddit
I believe you're thinking of the Su-34
GlueSniffingCat@reddit
what in the ace combat
One_Outside_7181@reddit
I dub thee the mallard
Waste_Curve994@reddit
That looks like shit. The best prof our movie prop plane from top gun is we got China to move an actual satellite to take pictures of a movie prop. Now that is epic.
ManicRobotWizard@reddit
It was a pretty slick prop.
antarcticacitizen1@reddit
Cardboard and LEGO. Typical Chinese prototype.
Basket_cased@reddit
Looks like a duck
kyflyboy@reddit
Not a real aircraft. And all that stealth work is completely negated by that engine intake design. Fictional aircraft for a movie.
THROBBINW00D@reddit
6th Gen? Does China even have a viable 5th Gen? lol
Atholthedestroyer@reddit
Looks at J-20
4.5, 4.75 tops
Ok-Pride-3534@reddit
Wasn’t this in Ace Combat?
Martha_Fockers@reddit
Looks like a platypus
cjlewis7892@reddit
But can it go……. Inverted?
VengefulWalnut@reddit
Do a barrel roll!!!
socalquestioner@reddit
Darkwing Duck.
Adorable-Ad7145@reddit
It looks like a duck
Mastersword87@reddit
nazihater3000@reddit
Please tell me America moved satellites to photograph that thing. I like Ballance.
Secure-food4213@reddit
sir this is weird wings
fulltiltboogie1971@reddit
They should put more money into engine R&D than building expensive model airplanes that look like catfish
RustedDoorknob@reddit
Aw thanks man, saw this elsewhere and was dying to get my hands on more info
RustedDoorknob@reddit
Look me in the eye and tell me the designer didnt rip the concept straight from AC7 to buy time with his superiors
Wise-Profile4256@reddit
wouldn't you need air inlet covers in order to qualify for 6th gen?
cloudubious@reddit
Yup. This is a stealth as a Skylane.
404-skill_not_found@reddit
Weird, gives me a Phineas (triangle head) vibe