FDA is in the process of removing the key ingredient in decongestant cold medicine because it doesn't work. Pseudoephedrine is the only proven oral decongestant.
Fever reducers, anti-inflammatory Ibuprofen, possibly antibiotics, Mucinex, fluids like pedialyte, propel, G2 Gatorade. Death from flu comes from lung inflammation and/or secondary infections.
Oxygen support and nebulizers would not be available to most.
Flu shot can help. Especially if the virus mixes with flu A or B. Which flu often does! Getting 2 kinds at once happens and really can get people admitted to the hospital.
Yes, which is secondary infection that kills you if the ARDS doesn’t. All prepper a should have ABX in their SHTF tool kit.
Only for SHTF scenario, because ABX can be harmful if taken wrong or someone has an allergy, bad reaction.
Why fuck around with “maybe” when Advil/Ibuprofen is a reliable cheap readily available anti inflammatory? You really need steroids with flu lung inflammation but difficult to get ahold of and there are side effects and need to wean off of them or you get rebound.
People can get antibiotics from “emergency medical kit” vendors online or at airports in Mexico.
Honestly, once you figure out the food and hygiene supplies I would really sit down and think about your current situation and imagine back to early 2020.
Food and ppe/toilet paper was an issue, but what really strikes me is how huge people’s daily lives changed. Had I known more before hand I would have tried and gotten my at home living situation worked out a lot better.
If you imagine you’d be working from home again, fix up and get what you wish you had for your ideal home office. If you have kids, figure out what you might need for school at home. If you’ve been wanting to move to a better area or bigger place, do it now if you can instead of having to figure that out when everything is ground to a halt.
Look at any investments you have and think through how they would fare in another pandemic. If you have older family members who live alone but need regular help you may want to think through how to improve the logistics of that. If you’re worried about your job, start thinking through alternative income options now.
Think through what you could Invest in that would improve your general day to day life beyond basic food and supplies.
Lastly, now is the time to get as healthy as you can. Work on eating healthy, exercising, loosing extra weight, taking vitamins, and doing the general stuff we all should be doing anyway.
My entire life has been working from home since early 2020. I bought a house away from CT in rural VT with a small, close knit neighborhood, i added two powerwall 2’s, refitted my basement for 1 year worth of supplies with 0 reliance on a store (will still go if I can until I can’t or it’s not safe to do so)
Working on 1 year worth of 2kcal per day food options for my partner and I…
Trying to conceal and diminish any curb appeal that would catch the eye of looters.
Boosted up my security, made friends with all the surrounding neighbors, mapped the neighborhood and local trails, waterways and empty houses.
Working on brushing up on little things and next year working on gardening and eventually chickens and small livestock.
My neighborhood is about 50% empty. There’s lots of houses on the mainstreet but they’re empty. It’s like a ghost town. If shit goes south, the neighborhood will have to form a watch and really come together to defend itself and survive.
B&M brown bread in a can. You can buy cases on Amazon for cheap. It's more of a Boomer thing because their parents loved it, but when you can't get cake it's a good substitute.
all of those are already sold out and the ones I did find are about 5x the normal price
Shelf-stable foods
already have 6 months worth of 2kcal per person in cache
otc cold medicine
already have 3 bottles of coricidin day/night and pills when those run out. it's not cheap right now and having High blood pressure doesn't help the sourcing, since regular day/night cold and flu medicine could literally spike blood pressure and kill someone with HBP, options limited
Some but not all antiviral things you can simply add to your diet:
Kefir (!)
Oregano
Garlic
Thyme
Sage (not if you're breastfeeding, it kills supply)
Elderberry (syrup is so yummy)
(Fermented especially) vegetables
Fruits
Nuts (selenium/zinc)
Chamomille
Pumpkin spice
Black liquorice (not too much & not if you have high BP)
Just keeping your membranes moistened with saline nasal spray makes it a little bit harder for virus particles to get a foothold in there.
Soak up on sunshine. Get sufficient sleep. Don't be lonely or miserable or stressed. Laugh.
This is amazing, we have an anti vax guy heading up health and humans services and a president who massively fumbled a pandemic. This is just so comically bad, and also sad because many may die including me 🤷♂️
In Belgium the polio childhood vaccine is mandatory but didn't people get fired over there for not taking the covid one? Given the lack of social laws there that's just about as bad as forcing
If you’re going to work certain jobs you will have to get vaccines - like the military is a huge one. I also worked with medically fragile children and had to get a flu shot every year.
It’s not forcing - far more jobs than not made it optional. You aren’t entitled to do any job you want to do and ignore the health and safety of others.
Covid shots never stopped people from being contageous or getting the disease, so nobody was risking anyones health by refusing them.
Covid shots also made your body make lots of spike protein and people (over here anyway, but I think you had the same policy?) were not being tested prior to getting shots. So everyone with a latent infection got sicker, because the extra spike proteins helped the virus get into cells. In my circle of acquintance, everybody who had the shots got sicker from them than the people who had the infection but weren't vaccinated.
I agree medical personnel should be required to take shots that prevent them from being infectious. But covid shots were not like that. And military is made up of the strong and healthy, not the at-risk groups. No sense in forcing them.
RFK jr claims that as a way to make his image and message more palatable. It’s a very manipulative tactic meant to disarm the listener. His history demonstrates he is quite anti vax.
I work in healthcare and vaccine conversations with patients have steadily become more and more difficult with patients becoming more and more belligerent and rude even at times. He may say he’s not anti vax but when he gives life to all these unfounded conspiracy theories that has a direct impact on public health measures.
I believe you, but I'm still not clear on how that will work out in terms of policy, funding, etc. and especially what the effects would potentially be for us in Europe.
Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe the fact that this vaccine is very similar to a regular flu shot will help? Idk, but the less people sick the better. Whatever will convince them. Have trump get a shot on live tv or something.
You say this, however....if I may offer a bit of sad and morbid perspective. My buddy is an ICU RN. He had several anti-vax patients in his hospital succumbing to COVID. Several begged for the vaccine as their lungs started drowning them. But it was too late
My point. Don't brush it off. Stay alert, Keep fighting. Even if it seems bleak, you're worth it man. Don't give up. Those folks were ignorant, you're not.
i seriously doubt it, MAGA seemed to be extremely lacking in common sense. think of the most extreme reaction you can imagine someone would do and that's the position they'll take in response to a new pandemic. we're doomed. don't forget, these were the geniuses who threatened hospitals with lawsuits if they put Covid as the cause of death on their loved ones death certificates.
tl:dr: could have prevented 40% of covid deaths. But it doesn’t take a study to know that a moron who can barely string together a coherent thought shouldn’t be in charge of anything. Some of the things he says is just so unbelievably stupid.
It managed to infect 2 pigs in a hobby farm, which isn’t a big deal this time. But the moment it pulls that off in a commercial pig farm it’s a matter of days. Notice will be short.
Pigs are not tested much at all, which means it’s gonna have plenty of time to mutate and adapt to pig physiology (which is very very similar to humans)
The virus is sporting a 52% kill rate and it hasn’t even managed to find a way into our lungs yet
Also suspicions of it being airborne between animals.
This shit is a ticking time bomb with cases in the US increasing everyday with little being done about the spread in animals. Every time someone is infected it offers millions of chances for the virus to find the right mutations. All for them to think it’s the onset of food poisoning and they sneeze on a gas pump handle.
According to the World Health Organization, 882 cases of avian influenza A(H5N1) infections in humans have been reported globally from January 1, 2003, to December 21, 2023, resulting in 461 deaths (52% mortality rate) (4).
This begs the question does the current mutated clade have the same mortality as previous clades like those seen previously? The CDC says there are 52 confirmed human cases in the USA so do we see 26 deaths? And I genuinely mean that because I don’t recall a single death. My point being it makes so sense to fear monger when current statics simply don’t support that claim.
But instead we should use this knowledge to prepare and have hope not be fearful.
Think about how heavily monitored and cared for those 52 cases are, compared to potentially millions with a crashed medical system.
And for all we know it could mutate to be even deadlier. I’m not spreading fear. I’m hoping people take this serious because seems like the common attitude here is “I’ll stockpile weed har har har”
True, and all strains of influenza can be fatal, but it's looking like the mortality rate of H5N1 will be significantly lower by the time it mutates H2H. Still, even a 5% morality rate would kill more people than COVID, and 10% would be catastrophic.
Totally agree with this. H5N1 bird flu (Asian strain) has a mortality rate of nearly 50%. Newer strains may not be as deadly but it is still not the kind of thing you want easily transmissible.
That being said it's also a well known threat and has been around for at least 20 years. Countries have been building up supplies of Tamiflu to prepare for it.
For anyone following, it been this state for months now. If anything the rate of new infections being reported worldwide has decreased. One Canadian in the hospital is mostly nothing news.
Yeah seems like fear mongering. The majority of cases have been mild. It’s the other more deadly strains of bird flu are what concerns me, particularly H7N9.
Yeah, but we're about to hit flu season which stands a very high chance of recombining to make it spread human to human. I am actually really terrified for the upcoming few months.
Yeah, my concern stems from the fact that it hasn't yet recombined to the best of our knowledge. But with how prevalent it is now and how we are just heading flu season, I am really concerned.
There’s some history of exposure for older people for different H5 strains (with a different N#) so it’s been speculated that older people may have some immunity but young people are completely naive, from what I read.
It managed to infect a pig in a hobby farm, which isn’t a pig deal this time. But the moment it pulls that off in a commercial pig farm it’s a matter of days. Notice will be short.
A key flaw in that scenario in the linked post is the idea that the US would be the developer of a vaccine and that somehow RFK would be able to hold that up - rest of the world isn’t going to wait around if this thing happens……
COVID wasn't a hoax. If you got it then you know how fucked up that sickness was.
I managed to not get it until this year....I didn't always follow the protocols during 2020 and I'm amazed it took so long but man....when I got it, I got it. I'm still kinda foggy minded I think.
Yeah buddy, you got all the secrets, we're all sheep. Go feel special despite not doing anything of note with your life because you know the real truth.
The biggest problem with this mentality is it's so addicting. Just constant hits of endorphins from being the main character, and if you stop taking those hits you'll realize that you're nothing special, but accepting that truth(like most normal people have) is too scary.
Once someone's on heroin it's hard to just up and quit. That's where you are.
You'd be surprised, there's quite a bit of good meat on those birds. We used to split one per two people. They taste just fine, too. Way better than most wild birds.
I guess it depends on what you're eating with them and how much a person normally eats. We'd eat them as a normal supper protein, so half a pigeon would be about equivalent to what I'd take as a serving off of a chicken. I'm more about potatoes and sides when I'm eating bird, so half a pigeon was enough. But if you're the kind who wants 2-3 servings of a bird at a meal, then definitely go higher on the total count.
And I guess to be totally transparent, when you're eating pigeon and it's not for novelty, you're probably already used to smaller protein portions :) It's a great way to supplement meals if times are tough, though
If someone has the answer, I’d appreciate shining some clarity struggling on the significance of the Canadian case. From my understanding, it’s the first case up here, but why is this so triggering?
I read that it has some concerning mutations, but aside from that, it’s not currently going human to human, so why is that such a headline?
I saw a video posted that said the infected individual is in critical condition and had no contact with animals and other individuals close to him had no contact with animals. Only thing I can see as acbit triggering. Lots of unknown variables.
They’ve been pretty strict with the quality of posts on this sub. Tweets from legitimate virologists and epidemiologists gets posted fairly often as well as info from the CDC and a variety of state dept of Ag or Veterinary agencies. You’ll find solid information here and people who can break it down for laypeople.
You should try the Dutch way - we have an in between type of milk that is neither raw, no processed to lose all the flavors. It keeps for a week or two in the fridge, tastes so goooood!
We already have a vaccine for bird flu, so it at least wouldn't look like it was rushed out without testing. We just need to update the supply for whatever the h2h variant looks like.
As long as those people are cool with regular flu shots, they will hopefully take this one.
I know at least four people among my relatives who have stopped taking all vaccines. At least one says she'll not even take a tetanus shot because she thinks they sneak COVID shots in it.
Honestly, I’m just trying to make it through today. Just like with Covid, I’m sure that another pandemic would be awful and I can’t really do anything about it.
CasanovaPreen@reddit
...and prep includes :
- Stocking up on N95 respirators.
- Shelf-stable foods.
- OTC cold medicine.
What I am missing?
LieKind4119@reddit
FDA is in the process of removing the key ingredient in decongestant cold medicine because it doesn't work. Pseudoephedrine is the only proven oral decongestant.
CharmingMechanic2473@reddit
Fever reducers, anti-inflammatory Ibuprofen, possibly antibiotics, Mucinex, fluids like pedialyte, propel, G2 Gatorade. Death from flu comes from lung inflammation and/or secondary infections. Oxygen support and nebulizers would not be available to most.
Flu shot can help. Especially if the virus mixes with flu A or B. Which flu often does! Getting 2 kinds at once happens and really can get people admitted to the hospital.
PaulSagan@reddit
Antibiotics will not help with a virus, but are occasionally helpful with post-viral bacterial pneumonia
CharmingMechanic2473@reddit
Yes, which is secondary infection that kills you if the ARDS doesn’t. All prepper a should have ABX in their SHTF tool kit. Only for SHTF scenario, because ABX can be harmful if taken wrong or someone has an allergy, bad reaction.
Tlr321@reddit
How do you stock up on antibiotics? Can you buy those off the shelf? Or do they need to be prescribed?
CharmingMechanic2473@reddit
https://jasemedical.com/pricing-new?utm_source=googleads&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=%7B%7Bcampaign.name%7D%7D&utm_content=%7B%7Bad.name%7D%7D&comet_source=google&comet_network=x&comet_campaign=19928128986&comet_ad_group=&comet_ad_id=&comet_keyword=&comet_type=smart&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAABa8OpB4zKc7EGjOpn3BZH-k3k9af&gclid=Cj0KCQiA6Ou5BhCrARIsAPoTxrA4H8RJ56miN0lLvw7N-Oikx46xFdbi6e0V6jZGZpzWrKeEdb_S0EIaAmQ3EALw_wcB
Lavieestbelle31@reddit
I read that oil of oregano is good for the lung inflammation.
CharmingMechanic2473@reddit
Why fuck around with “maybe” when Advil/Ibuprofen is a reliable cheap readily available anti inflammatory? You really need steroids with flu lung inflammation but difficult to get ahold of and there are side effects and need to wean off of them or you get rebound.
People can get antibiotics from “emergency medical kit” vendors online or at airports in Mexico.
escapefromburlington@reddit
Cordyceps & tigers milk mushroom good for respiratory system too
UND_mtnman@reddit
I dunno, didn't work out so well for the characters in The Last of Us...
Flat_Boysenberry1669@reddit
Toilet paper and pasta baby.
Dogeatswaffles@reddit
Get a bidet, saves you from the run on tp
StopLitteringSeattle@reddit
The kind that's like a little sink sprayer that attaches to the tank instead of a seat is honestly so fancy
Such_Knee_8804@reddit
Best 30 bucks I've spent on my house
2quickdraw@reddit
But SO COLD.
Ok-Dragonfruit8036@reddit
butt* so cold. ftfy
2quickdraw@reddit
TY!
el-padre@reddit
You are missing the Bs.
Beer, bullion, Bitcoin, bullets, bread, beets, Beretta, Bush's Best Baked Beans (Barbeque), baseball bat.
Squishy_Em@reddit
Bidet
funke75@reddit
Bears, beets, battlestar galactica
kalitarios@reddit
frackin hell
funke75@reddit
Honestly, once you figure out the food and hygiene supplies I would really sit down and think about your current situation and imagine back to early 2020.
Food and ppe/toilet paper was an issue, but what really strikes me is how huge people’s daily lives changed. Had I known more before hand I would have tried and gotten my at home living situation worked out a lot better.
If you imagine you’d be working from home again, fix up and get what you wish you had for your ideal home office. If you have kids, figure out what you might need for school at home. If you’ve been wanting to move to a better area or bigger place, do it now if you can instead of having to figure that out when everything is ground to a halt.
Look at any investments you have and think through how they would fare in another pandemic. If you have older family members who live alone but need regular help you may want to think through how to improve the logistics of that. If you’re worried about your job, start thinking through alternative income options now.
Think through what you could Invest in that would improve your general day to day life beyond basic food and supplies.
Lastly, now is the time to get as healthy as you can. Work on eating healthy, exercising, loosing extra weight, taking vitamins, and doing the general stuff we all should be doing anyway.
kalitarios@reddit
My entire life has been working from home since early 2020. I bought a house away from CT in rural VT with a small, close knit neighborhood, i added two powerwall 2’s, refitted my basement for 1 year worth of supplies with 0 reliance on a store (will still go if I can until I can’t or it’s not safe to do so)
Working on 1 year worth of 2kcal per day food options for my partner and I…
Trying to conceal and diminish any curb appeal that would catch the eye of looters.
Boosted up my security, made friends with all the surrounding neighbors, mapped the neighborhood and local trails, waterways and empty houses.
Working on brushing up on little things and next year working on gardening and eventually chickens and small livestock.
My neighborhood is about 50% empty. There’s lots of houses on the mainstreet but they’re empty. It’s like a ghost town. If shit goes south, the neighborhood will have to form a watch and really come together to defend itself and survive.
Pontiacsentinel@reddit
How many bears do you keep on hand?
Girafferage@reddit
Butt plug, bungalow, Bartholomew, beats headphones, bananas, and blanket forts.
WorldWarPee@reddit
How many blankets do we need to protect us from the nuclear fallout?
Girafferage@reddit
Oof. Probably at least 8-10 feet thick of compacted blankets and even then you will probably get a decent dose.
WorldWarPee@reddit
Costco it is lol
bloomingtonrail@reddit
This right here
Weed-Fairy@reddit
Bud and best buds.
2quickdraw@reddit
B&M brown bread in a can. You can buy cases on Amazon for cheap. It's more of a Boomer thing because their parents loved it, but when you can't get cake it's a good substitute.
Xtrainman@reddit
Don't forget the righteous Buds.
baardvark@reddit
Get Better than Bullion it’s a lot cheaper
ChandlerTeacher@reddit
Bears Beets Battlestar Galactica
IwantL0Back@reddit
Bong
itsadiseaster@reddit
Bunker
leisurechef@reddit
You missed bacon
The_Original_Miser@reddit
You forgot bourbon
kalitarios@reddit
all of those are already sold out and the ones I did find are about 5x the normal price
already have 6 months worth of 2kcal per person in cache
already have 3 bottles of coricidin day/night and pills when those run out. it's not cheap right now and having High blood pressure doesn't help the sourcing, since regular day/night cold and flu medicine could literally spike blood pressure and kill someone with HBP, options limited
HappyRyan31@reddit
Brought OTC cold meds recently for flu and cold season. Need to get more N95 masks though since I only got 1.
Emergency_West_9490@reddit
Some but not all antiviral things you can simply add to your diet: Kefir (!) Oregano Garlic Thyme Sage (not if you're breastfeeding, it kills supply) Elderberry (syrup is so yummy) (Fermented especially) vegetables Fruits Nuts (selenium/zinc) Chamomille Pumpkin spice Black liquorice (not too much & not if you have high BP)
Just keeping your membranes moistened with saline nasal spray makes it a little bit harder for virus particles to get a foothold in there.
Soak up on sunshine. Get sufficient sleep. Don't be lonely or miserable or stressed. Laugh.
All of these will help our odds.
escapefromburlington@reddit
🙌🙌🙌
2quickdraw@reddit
If you don't think you'll get enough sunshine because winter, cold and clouds, then vitamin d.
Emergency_West_9490@reddit
If you supplement that I think you might possible need to add a little K for some reason, so look in to that.
White_Grunt@reddit
Zinc and ivermectin.
ResolutionMaterial81@reddit
Everything needed to self-quarantine until an effective vaccine is available. Tamiflu, etc
lilBloodpeach@reddit
Cleaning supplies, hygiene supplies. If you have fowl, prepare their area to minimize exposure risk.
CalligrapherWild6501@reddit
This is amazing, we have an anti vax guy heading up health and humans services and a president who massively fumbled a pandemic. This is just so comically bad, and also sad because many may die including me 🤷♂️
Emergency_West_9490@reddit
AFAIK he's not antivax but wants people to have the right to choose though? What did I miss (not too well versed in US politician)?
waterbird_@reddit
Nobody is held down and forced to get a vaccine in the US
Emergency_West_9490@reddit
In Belgium the polio childhood vaccine is mandatory but didn't people get fired over there for not taking the covid one? Given the lack of social laws there that's just about as bad as forcing
waterbird_@reddit
If you’re going to work certain jobs you will have to get vaccines - like the military is a huge one. I also worked with medically fragile children and had to get a flu shot every year.
It’s not forcing - far more jobs than not made it optional. You aren’t entitled to do any job you want to do and ignore the health and safety of others.
Emergency_West_9490@reddit
Covid shots never stopped people from being contageous or getting the disease, so nobody was risking anyones health by refusing them.
Covid shots also made your body make lots of spike protein and people (over here anyway, but I think you had the same policy?) were not being tested prior to getting shots. So everyone with a latent infection got sicker, because the extra spike proteins helped the virus get into cells. In my circle of acquintance, everybody who had the shots got sicker from them than the people who had the infection but weren't vaccinated.
I agree medical personnel should be required to take shots that prevent them from being infectious. But covid shots were not like that. And military is made up of the strong and healthy, not the at-risk groups. No sense in forcing them.
waterbird_@reddit
Flu shots also don’t stop you from getting the flu. You’re being obnoxious and dumb.
CalligrapherWild6501@reddit
RFK jr claims that as a way to make his image and message more palatable. It’s a very manipulative tactic meant to disarm the listener. His history demonstrates he is quite anti vax.
Emergency_West_9490@reddit
Do you have a link with some succinct info about that? US policies can affect us here in Europe.
CalligrapherWild6501@reddit
This has a lot of direct info he’s put out/things he’s said:
https://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a62919523/is-rfk-jr-anti-vax/
I work in healthcare and vaccine conversations with patients have steadily become more and more difficult with patients becoming more and more belligerent and rude even at times. He may say he’s not anti vax but when he gives life to all these unfounded conspiracy theories that has a direct impact on public health measures.
Emergency_West_9490@reddit
Does he actually get the power to underfund or sabotage stuff now or not?
BetterFoodNetwork@reddit
> If his "we're going to make vaccines safer" leads to more research funding I don't see that as a bad thing.
Yeah, but has anything ever worked like this? Ever?
Emergency_West_9490@reddit
I don't know that there are precedents to compare with? We will see.
premar16@reddit
I have met him and have family members who are friends of his. He is anti-vax
Emergency_West_9490@reddit
I believe you, but I'm still not clear on how that will work out in terms of policy, funding, etc. and especially what the effects would potentially be for us in Europe.
Girafferage@reddit
Yup. Hopefully once bodies start dropping they will all suddenly realize vaccines are a good thing and change tune. I would bet on it in fact.
CalligrapherWild6501@reddit
It’ll take a lot of bodies. The deaths from Covid seemingly entrenched their beliefs.
Malcolm_Morin@reddit
The unfortunate truth. There have only been a little over 7 million recorded global deaths from Covid as of today. A million from the US alone.
In the scale of the total population, it's a drop in the bucket.
Half the US would need to be dead or dying for them to take it seriously.
kalitarios@reddit
what's that line in The Titanic?
"Not the better half" - conservatives
katzeye007@reddit
Double that for accurate counts
Oldebookworm@reddit
Not enough people died for it to have made any difference
Girafferage@reddit
Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe the fact that this vaccine is very similar to a regular flu shot will help? Idk, but the less people sick the better. Whatever will convince them. Have trump get a shot on live tv or something.
CalligrapherWild6501@reddit
Yeah, the way the world is going I’m honestly just over it. I was never going to live forever, whatever happens happens 🤷♂️
ProvincialPrisoner@reddit
You say this, however....if I may offer a bit of sad and morbid perspective. My buddy is an ICU RN. He had several anti-vax patients in his hospital succumbing to COVID. Several begged for the vaccine as their lungs started drowning them. But it was too late
My point. Don't brush it off. Stay alert, Keep fighting. Even if it seems bleak, you're worth it man. Don't give up. Those folks were ignorant, you're not.
Girafferage@reddit
I just want there to be a reasonable semblance of a world left over for our children and future generations.
CalligrapherWild6501@reddit
That’d be nice, it is pretty crushing raising my kids in this
Girafferage@reddit
Yeah...its hard to keep their childhood care free in these times.
Lopsided_Elk_1914@reddit
i seriously doubt it, MAGA seemed to be extremely lacking in common sense. think of the most extreme reaction you can imagine someone would do and that's the position they'll take in response to a new pandemic. we're doomed. don't forget, these were the geniuses who threatened hospitals with lawsuits if they put Covid as the cause of death on their loved ones death certificates.
_Prestige_Worldwide_@reddit
I doubt it. That isn't what happened last time. The morons doubled down, told us to take hydroxychloroquine and inject bleach and sunlight.
StaffUnable1226@reddit
They’re already saying “isn’t it convenient that we have a new virus the moment trump becomes president”
katzeye007@reddit
The disease horseman won't leave him alone
AfternoonHelpful6951@reddit
Operation warpspeed bro, tell me how he fumbled the pandemic? I'm not blue or red but he seemed to be on the side of the WHO
chaotic-cleric@reddit
Spread of propaganda republicans rejecting masks and decency
CalligrapherWild6501@reddit
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32545-9/abstract
tl:dr: could have prevented 40% of covid deaths. But it doesn’t take a study to know that a moron who can barely string together a coherent thought shouldn’t be in charge of anything. Some of the things he says is just so unbelievably stupid.
TheLightBlinded@reddit
I got your four basic food groups! Beans, bacon, whiskey, and lard.
i_know_nothingg101@reddit
We need this, so the world can let everyone work from home again.
Fabulous-Dig7583@reddit
ExpertCatJuggler@reddit
It managed to infect 2 pigs in a hobby farm, which isn’t a big deal this time. But the moment it pulls that off in a commercial pig farm it’s a matter of days. Notice will be short.
Pigs are not tested much at all, which means it’s gonna have plenty of time to mutate and adapt to pig physiology (which is very very similar to humans)
The virus is sporting a 52% kill rate and it hasn’t even managed to find a way into our lungs yet Also suspicions of it being airborne between animals.
This shit is a ticking time bomb with cases in the US increasing everyday with little being done about the spread in animals. Every time someone is infected it offers millions of chances for the virus to find the right mutations. All for them to think it’s the onset of food poisoning and they sneeze on a gas pump handle.
HaveYouAwoken@reddit
What is your source for the current strains mortality rate?
ExpertCatJuggler@reddit
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/30/10/24-0583_article
HaveYouAwoken@reddit
According to the World Health Organization, 882 cases of avian influenza A(H5N1) infections in humans have been reported globally from January 1, 2003, to December 21, 2023, resulting in 461 deaths (52% mortality rate) (4).
This begs the question does the current mutated clade have the same mortality as previous clades like those seen previously? The CDC says there are 52 confirmed human cases in the USA so do we see 26 deaths? And I genuinely mean that because I don’t recall a single death. My point being it makes so sense to fear monger when current statics simply don’t support that claim.
But instead we should use this knowledge to prepare and have hope not be fearful.
ExpertCatJuggler@reddit
Think about how heavily monitored and cared for those 52 cases are, compared to potentially millions with a crashed medical system. And for all we know it could mutate to be even deadlier. I’m not spreading fear. I’m hoping people take this serious because seems like the common attitude here is “I’ll stockpile weed har har har”
HaveYouAwoken@reddit
And for all we know it could mutate to be even less deadly. Speculating from a fear standpoint does no good.
ExpertCatJuggler@reddit
Again. Not fear. Stop trying to force that perspective.
HaveYouAwoken@reddit
“Preparing for deadly scenarios”, fear based. Use rationale and facts not fear.
ExpertCatJuggler@reddit
Wow you’re dense. Not even going to try to argue.
MamaSquash8013@reddit
Of the 52 cases in the US so far, none have been fatal.
ExpertCatJuggler@reddit
Keep in mind those are all heavily monitored and cared for. Won’t be the case if the med system gets flooded
MamaSquash8013@reddit
True, and all strains of influenza can be fatal, but it's looking like the mortality rate of H5N1 will be significantly lower by the time it mutates H2H. Still, even a 5% morality rate would kill more people than COVID, and 10% would be catastrophic.
ChubbyVeganTravels@reddit
Totally agree with this. H5N1 bird flu (Asian strain) has a mortality rate of nearly 50%. Newer strains may not be as deadly but it is still not the kind of thing you want easily transmissible.
That being said it's also a well known threat and has been around for at least 20 years. Countries have been building up supplies of Tamiflu to prepare for it.
Poghornleghorn2@reddit
Nostradamus also once wrote, "suck dick, take names"...
kalitarios@reddit
so *THATS* what my ex-wife was prattling on about....
Chogo82@reddit
Wake me up on this when there are actual signs of H2H.
justarobot97@reddit
Might be too late then pal, everyone will be rushing to stockpile.
Chogo82@reddit
For anyone following, it been this state for months now. If anything the rate of new infections being reported worldwide has decreased. One Canadian in the hospital is mostly nothing news.
Aert_is_Life@reddit
Except the mutations in the sick teenager in Canada show signs of having the correct markers for H2H spread.
A_Toxic_User@reddit
No it doesn’t. You’re misunderstanding the sequencing result.
Stars3000@reddit
Yeah seems like fear mongering. The majority of cases have been mild. It’s the other more deadly strains of bird flu are what concerns me, particularly H7N9.
happyclamming@reddit
Yeah, but we're about to hit flu season which stands a very high chance of recombining to make it spread human to human. I am actually really terrified for the upcoming few months.
Chogo82@reddit
A study already shows that humans already have some immunity. I can’t remember if it was influenza A vaccine or memory of H1 infections.
happyclamming@reddit
Yeah, my concern stems from the fact that it hasn't yet recombined to the best of our knowledge. But with how prevalent it is now and how we are just heading flu season, I am really concerned.
HappyAnimalCracker@reddit
There’s some history of exposure for older people for different H5 strains (with a different N#) so it’s been speculated that older people may have some immunity but young people are completely naive, from what I read.
Mochigood@reddit
I think it's ramping up on threat level because that one Canadian has a version with a mutation that makes H2H easier.
Chogo82@reddit
Source?
I saw something that said it “may” increase H2H.
Also, the article linked in the post is the most fear mongering article on this subject.
Mochigood@reddit
I edited my post for it.
Chogo82@reddit
Yup. Lots of may’s. We’ll have to keep an eye on Canadian dairy and poultry workers in the next couple of months.
Mochigood@reddit
Prepping is mostly for may.
ExpertCatJuggler@reddit
It managed to infect a pig in a hobby farm, which isn’t a pig deal this time. But the moment it pulls that off in a commercial pig farm it’s a matter of days. Notice will be short.
Wild-Lengthiness2695@reddit
A key flaw in that scenario in the linked post is the idea that the US would be the developer of a vaccine and that somehow RFK would be able to hold that up - rest of the world isn’t going to wait around if this thing happens……
No-Win-1137@reddit
Covid was the same.
TotalRecallsABitch@reddit
COVID wasn't a hoax. If you got it then you know how fucked up that sickness was.
I managed to not get it until this year....I didn't always follow the protocols during 2020 and I'm amazed it took so long but man....when I got it, I got it. I'm still kinda foggy minded I think.
No-Win-1137@reddit
IDK about that. The flu can be pretty bad too.
oh-bee@reddit
Yeah buddy, you got all the secrets, we're all sheep. Go feel special despite not doing anything of note with your life because you know the real truth.
The biggest problem with this mentality is it's so addicting. Just constant hits of endorphins from being the main character, and if you stop taking those hits you'll realize that you're nothing special, but accepting that truth(like most normal people have) is too scary.
Once someone's on heroin it's hard to just up and quit. That's where you are.
Susabel@reddit
Covid killed my dad and I got it and now I’m diabetic and have autoimmune issues as a result. I’m so sick of hearing people say covid was a hoax.
newarkdanny@reddit
I've already flipped the switch mentally slowly working on building a years supply of mask, gloves, hand sanitizer etc
4r4nd0mninj4@reddit
Happy cake day ~
Flibal@reddit
Happy cake day!
Silly-Bumblebee1406@reddit
First I need to tell my neighbor to stop feeding the pigeons. There must be about 20 that hang out on my roof and backyard
Rougaroux1969@reddit
Not a lot of meat on each, but might keep you going for a few weeks.
MainStreetRoad@reddit
So you’re saying if I eat the bird flu it will make me stronger?
Silly-Bumblebee1406@reddit
If only haha
foundtheseeker@reddit
You'd be surprised, there's quite a bit of good meat on those birds. We used to split one per two people. They taste just fine, too. Way better than most wild birds.
Rougaroux1969@reddit
I’ve never had pigeons, but they don’t look much fatter than doves in my area, which I always figured 2-4 per person.
foundtheseeker@reddit
I guess it depends on what you're eating with them and how much a person normally eats. We'd eat them as a normal supper protein, so half a pigeon would be about equivalent to what I'd take as a serving off of a chicken. I'm more about potatoes and sides when I'm eating bird, so half a pigeon was enough. But if you're the kind who wants 2-3 servings of a bird at a meal, then definitely go higher on the total count.
And I guess to be totally transparent, when you're eating pigeon and it's not for novelty, you're probably already used to smaller protein portions :) It's a great way to supplement meals if times are tough, though
Silis23@reddit
Already started prepping for it in January even if nothing happens then I still have all that stuff kept away and ease of mind
Lavieestbelle31@reddit
Can you share how you prepped?
drank_myself_sober@reddit
If someone has the answer, I’d appreciate shining some clarity struggling on the significance of the Canadian case. From my understanding, it’s the first case up here, but why is this so triggering?
I read that it has some concerning mutations, but aside from that, it’s not currently going human to human, so why is that such a headline?
Lavieestbelle31@reddit
I saw a video posted that said the infected individual is in critical condition and had no contact with animals and other individuals close to him had no contact with animals. Only thing I can see as acbit triggering. Lots of unknown variables.
Dumbkitty2@reddit
r/H5N1_AvianFlu
They’ve been pretty strict with the quality of posts on this sub. Tweets from legitimate virologists and epidemiologists gets posted fairly often as well as info from the CDC and a variety of state dept of Ag or Veterinary agencies. You’ll find solid information here and people who can break it down for laypeople.
Magnificent_Pine@reddit
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/cows-dead-bird-flu-rot-california-heat-bakes-dairy-farms-2024-10-17/
eveebobevee@reddit
This was good intel until it started larping about political stuff.
pappyvanwinkle1111@reddit
Ass, cash, and grass.
Traditional-Ebb-8380@reddit
Nah this one can just take me!
Gas-Short@reddit
I'm for most of RFK Jr.'s calls, such as removing chemicals from the food supply, approving psychedelics, and regulating big pharma.
But, he also advocates for raw milk and is anti-vaccine. Great way to spread bird flu and not have a quick way to stop its spread.
On the other-hand, Trump pushed for fast-tracking the Covid vaccine. I wonder if he would do the same for bird flu.
But his base might refuse it due to lingering effects of the Covid vaccine that was forced upon people through coercion.
Emergency_West_9490@reddit
You should try the Dutch way - we have an in between type of milk that is neither raw, no processed to lose all the flavors. It keeps for a week or two in the fridge, tastes so goooood!
Girafferage@reddit
We already have a vaccine for bird flu, so it at least wouldn't look like it was rushed out without testing. We just need to update the supply for whatever the h2h variant looks like.
As long as those people are cool with regular flu shots, they will hopefully take this one.
Mochigood@reddit
I know at least four people among my relatives who have stopped taking all vaccines. At least one says she'll not even take a tetanus shot because she thinks they sneak COVID shots in it.
thr0wnb0ne@reddit
weed
Ornery-Sheepherder74@reddit
Honestly, I’m just trying to make it through today. Just like with Covid, I’m sure that another pandemic would be awful and I can’t really do anything about it.