I was two weeks ago in Cambodia and visited the Killing Fields of the Khmer Rouge, the tree used to bash children's heads to death was a great highlight on the wonders of Communism.......
It's insane. The Soviet Union just made up a diagnosis to slap on people who disagreed with the government. The rational was that only someone who was mentally ill would disagree with the government, so anyone who doesn't fully believe and espouse the party line on everything must be hospitalized and dealt with.
And that's just one facet of how they weaponized psychiatry against the people.
I know I’ve joked about people having TDS, and actually think that may be a thing that has some basis (not about Trump specifically, just where you start to attach so much importance to your side losing an election that you want to commit violence to those who disagree and to yourself).
But by the same token, if anyone on the right was screaming incoherently, threatening others and themselves with harm after a democrat won an election, I’d say they have the same problem, or at least something really fucking similar.
But just disagreeing doesn’t mean they’re insane. I think a lot of people who disagree with me are wrong, but that’s because if I thought they were right I’d agree with them. I know that I’m not always right, so appreciate having people who disagree and challenge my beliefs.
The problem is they know full well genocides will happen. They just actively desire to kill as many as possible.
The Soviets, Khmer Rouge and CCP all have their undesirables and pursue those people's groups destruction. Western Communists just know they have to lie about it and cover for their eastern counterparts.
The the real reason to be so worried about it is the fact that almost everyone universally condemns fascism but for some reason communism gets a pass and is often openly celebrated without any pushback or condemnation.
Marxism is every bit as evil and murderous and vile as Nazism.
However Nazism is almost universally condemned while Marxism has continued to be studied and evolved in our own University systems.
Critical Theory, for example, is a form of Neo-Marxism developed in the 1930s to answer the questions like: Why Marxist worker's revolution never actually happened in industrialized nations?
They sought to combine Marxism with the then-new field of Friedan psychology to figure out what Marxism's problems were and to make it work.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Frankfurt-School
This shit actually moved from Germany to the USA and Critical Theorists set up shop as professors in places like Colombia University and University of San Diego.
Their theories continued to evolve and infect USA academic system through the 1960s with people like Herbert Marcuse and became extremely popular sometime in the 1990s.
From these people is where we get things like 'Critical Race Theory' and 'Critical Queer Theory' that were developed to exploit weaknesses specific to American culture around sex and racial issues.
It is easy to hate on people running around waving Nazi flags and Nazi Tattoos as the idiots and unstable people they are for worshiping a obviously poisonous and detrimental ideology.
But meanwhile Critical Theory is openly taught and championed all over the country like it is nothing.
I think you are either intentionally misrepresenting current day critical theory or you are yourself misinformed.
You described critical theory (as founded by the Frankfurt school) but failed to mention that the modern day "critical theories" are not necessarily tried to the initial Frankfurt school "critical theory" and not necessarily related to Marxism or Neo-Marxism.
Modern day critical theory describes general approaches from humanities and philosophy to critique or challenge certain aspects about society to show injustices and propose solutions to improve the human condition. It is not inextricably linked to Neo-Marxism as your post implied.
Furthermore, even if we were to accept your premise that modern day critical theory is inextricably tied to Neo-Marxism from the Frankfurt school, that does not automatically mean that those critical theories are the same as Marxism or would lead to similar conclusions as Marxism. Your post seems to suggest that we should automatically assume that critical theories are "evil/bad" just because Marxism is "evil/bad".
You described critical theory (as founded by the Frankfurt school) but failed to mention that the modern day "critical theories" are not necessarily tied to the initial Frankfurt school "critical theory" and not necessarily related to Marxism or Neo-Marxism.
It isn't a complicated or difficult to follow connection.
In fact it is extremely easy to follow. And not only that it is well documented by their own literature.
that does not automatically mean that those critical theories are the same as Marxism or would lead to similar conclusions as Marxism.
I could explain the connection and how they are different, but given your previous post it is kinda pearls before swine.
Do you have any opinions on the socialist aspects of the Nazi party? To me, their party platform actually does sound like what a modern person could accurately describe as socialism. But for some reason it has been methodically engrained in people’s minds that if they are in any way fascist, then they cannot be in any way socialist—which I find preposterous. They are not mutually exclusive descriptions.
When they called themselves "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" (aka National Socialist German Workers' Party) they were serious about it. It wasn't some crazy fake-out.
During the 1930s and earlier era the Jewish people were closely associated with Capitalism. This wasn't unique to Germany, but the cultural trait was extremely strong there. This idea came about due to feudal era (and later) there was numerous prohibitions against Jewish owning various types of property and participating in various trades. Which meant their opportunities were rather limited. Were as for Christian people there was prohibitions against lending due to Church restrictions against usury. So the Jewish people tended to get involved in things like silver and gold smithing, money lending, pawn shops, and various other "town" oriented businesses... which then developed into modern banking.
Thus Jews became closely associated with greed and usury.
This meant that being antisemetic and anticapitalist went hand in hand. Look up things like "GeldJude" for example.
This is why we have things like Karl Marx in "The Jewish Question" saying things like
Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities. Money is the universal self-established value of all things. It has, therefore, robbed the whole world – both the world of men and nature – of its specific value. Money is the estranged essence of man’s work and man’s existence, and this alien essence dominates him, and he worships it.
Antisemitism was associated with socialism in more places then 1930s Germany. You can find various treatise on the subject from socialists trying to distance themselves from this tendency.... It is just the Nazis just took it to a extreme level.
Especially when they incorporated Eugenics from the USA progressive movement into their world view. After that it was no longer just a economic and social issue, but a biological one.
There are various types of socialism out there. Marxism, due to the success of the soviets and other communism regimes, is the most influential and prominent and was the distant ancestor of many types of modern moderate "Democratic Socialism" parties.
But not all Socialism is Marxism.
Nazism took many aspects of Marxism, but they were not Marxist in nature. Hitler, for example, believed in the Tendency of the rate of profit to fall
. This theory heavily informed his decision to invade Eastern Europe. The goal was to break German's dependence on international banking and the trade involving around industrial exports and pursue a policy of National Autarky
A more formal name of Nazi's type of socialism is "National Syndicalism".
Syndicalism, also called Corporatism, is a type of socialism that emphases dividing the nation up into economic corporations, which then coordinate the economic activity of the country. To that end the Nazis created (probably) the biggest national union that Europe has ever seen, they put party members in charge of running corporate businesses.. used commissars to set prices, rationing, determine were people were allowed to work, what they were allowed to make, how much they were allowed to charge, were they were allowed to sell.. They forced factories to build large scale exercise and sports yards, invest in galleries, increased pay, increased breaks, etc.
They were serious about it. It was real. It wasn't a scam or fake-out or way to trick people into voting for them.
They went after communists because they were convenient scapegoats. The average person had a idea of what happened with the horrors of the red revolution in Russia and the chaos it caused and were terrified of it.
Corporatism/Syndicalism was considered very moderate in comparison. It hearkened back to guild systems and thus was seen as more traditional and sometimes was endorsed by religious authorities.
It was advertised as "the new way" or "the third way", etc etc.
I hate Communism so much, people will play that stupid Soviet Anthem like it's nothing but that's the anthem of a regime that killed millions of innocent people under a system of oppression.
There are plenty of individuals and charitable organizations who provide them with food whenever we see them. There are actually quite a few homeless people who want to stay on the streets. I have family members who serve the homeless on a daily basis and know this to be a fact. Many of the homeless got there because they aged out of the foster system and don't have the documentation (state-issued ID, birth certificate, Social Security card) required to apply for employment or housing. Getting that documentation is generally the first step in helping them get off the streets.
Eastern_Fix7541@reddit
I was two weeks ago in Cambodia and visited the Killing Fields of the Khmer Rouge, the tree used to bash children's heads to death was a great highlight on the wonders of Communism.......
Warack@reddit
So nObuDy evEr DieD uNdeR cRapItaLiSm
armchairplane@reddit
Why are you getting downvoted? You're mocking people who say this.
armchairplane@reddit
Post title I read earlier: "anyone know where I can find the works of Mao?"
diskrisks@reddit
It’s the first time I hear about the psychiatry one, holy shit
delugepro@reddit (OP)
It's insane. The Soviet Union just made up a diagnosis to slap on people who disagreed with the government. The rational was that only someone who was mentally ill would disagree with the government, so anyone who doesn't fully believe and espouse the party line on everything must be hospitalized and dealt with.
And that's just one facet of how they weaponized psychiatry against the people.
natermer@reddit
They never stopped with the nuttiness.
This sort of thinking has infected Western societies now, too.
CrucifixAbortion@reddit
Well, now they just call you a bigot and get you excommunicated.
cysghost@reddit
I know I’ve joked about people having TDS, and actually think that may be a thing that has some basis (not about Trump specifically, just where you start to attach so much importance to your side losing an election that you want to commit violence to those who disagree and to yourself).
But by the same token, if anyone on the right was screaming incoherently, threatening others and themselves with harm after a democrat won an election, I’d say they have the same problem, or at least something really fucking similar.
But just disagreeing doesn’t mean they’re insane. I think a lot of people who disagree with me are wrong, but that’s because if I thought they were right I’d agree with them. I know that I’m not always right, so appreciate having people who disagree and challenge my beliefs.
Anen-o-me@reddit
They really can't understand that good intentions don't mean squat when your history is filled with communist holocausts.
Radiant-Ad-3432@reddit
The problem is they know full well genocides will happen. They just actively desire to kill as many as possible.
The Soviets, Khmer Rouge and CCP all have their undesirables and pursue those people's groups destruction. Western Communists just know they have to lie about it and cover for their eastern counterparts.
Turin-The-Turtle@reddit
The the real reason to be so worried about it is the fact that almost everyone universally condemns fascism but for some reason communism gets a pass and is often openly celebrated without any pushback or condemnation.
natermer@reddit
This.
Marxism is every bit as evil and murderous and vile as Nazism.
However Nazism is almost universally condemned while Marxism has continued to be studied and evolved in our own University systems.
Critical Theory, for example, is a form of Neo-Marxism developed in the 1930s to answer the questions like: Why Marxist worker's revolution never actually happened in industrialized nations?
They sought to combine Marxism with the then-new field of Friedan psychology to figure out what Marxism's problems were and to make it work.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Frankfurt-School
This shit actually moved from Germany to the USA and Critical Theorists set up shop as professors in places like Colombia University and University of San Diego.
Their theories continued to evolve and infect USA academic system through the 1960s with people like Herbert Marcuse and became extremely popular sometime in the 1990s.
From these people is where we get things like 'Critical Race Theory' and 'Critical Queer Theory' that were developed to exploit weaknesses specific to American culture around sex and racial issues.
It is easy to hate on people running around waving Nazi flags and Nazi Tattoos as the idiots and unstable people they are for worshiping a obviously poisonous and detrimental ideology.
But meanwhile Critical Theory is openly taught and championed all over the country like it is nothing.
SirIssacMath@reddit
I think you are either intentionally misrepresenting current day critical theory or you are yourself misinformed.
You described critical theory (as founded by the Frankfurt school) but failed to mention that the modern day "critical theories" are not necessarily tried to the initial Frankfurt school "critical theory" and not necessarily related to Marxism or Neo-Marxism.
Modern day critical theory describes general approaches from humanities and philosophy to critique or challenge certain aspects about society to show injustices and propose solutions to improve the human condition. It is not inextricably linked to Neo-Marxism as your post implied.
Furthermore, even if we were to accept your premise that modern day critical theory is inextricably tied to Neo-Marxism from the Frankfurt school, that does not automatically mean that those critical theories are the same as Marxism or would lead to similar conclusions as Marxism. Your post seems to suggest that we should automatically assume that critical theories are "evil/bad" just because Marxism is "evil/bad".
natermer@reddit
Here you go:
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/critical-theory/
natermer@reddit
It isn't a complicated or difficult to follow connection.
In fact it is extremely easy to follow. And not only that it is well documented by their own literature.
I could explain the connection and how they are different, but given your previous post it is kinda pearls before swine.
Flat-Bad-150@reddit
Do you have any opinions on the socialist aspects of the Nazi party? To me, their party platform actually does sound like what a modern person could accurately describe as socialism. But for some reason it has been methodically engrained in people’s minds that if they are in any way fascist, then they cannot be in any way socialist—which I find preposterous. They are not mutually exclusive descriptions.
natermer@reddit
When they called themselves "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" (aka National Socialist German Workers' Party) they were serious about it. It wasn't some crazy fake-out.
During the 1930s and earlier era the Jewish people were closely associated with Capitalism. This wasn't unique to Germany, but the cultural trait was extremely strong there. This idea came about due to feudal era (and later) there was numerous prohibitions against Jewish owning various types of property and participating in various trades. Which meant their opportunities were rather limited. Were as for Christian people there was prohibitions against lending due to Church restrictions against usury. So the Jewish people tended to get involved in things like silver and gold smithing, money lending, pawn shops, and various other "town" oriented businesses... which then developed into modern banking.
Thus Jews became closely associated with greed and usury.
This meant that being antisemetic and anticapitalist went hand in hand. Look up things like "GeldJude" for example.
This is why we have things like Karl Marx in "The Jewish Question" saying things like
Antisemitism was associated with socialism in more places then 1930s Germany. You can find various treatise on the subject from socialists trying to distance themselves from this tendency.... It is just the Nazis just took it to a extreme level.
Especially when they incorporated Eugenics from the USA progressive movement into their world view. After that it was no longer just a economic and social issue, but a biological one.
There are various types of socialism out there. Marxism, due to the success of the soviets and other communism regimes, is the most influential and prominent and was the distant ancestor of many types of modern moderate "Democratic Socialism" parties.
But not all Socialism is Marxism.
Nazism took many aspects of Marxism, but they were not Marxist in nature. Hitler, for example, believed in the Tendency of the rate of profit to fall . This theory heavily informed his decision to invade Eastern Europe. The goal was to break German's dependence on international banking and the trade involving around industrial exports and pursue a policy of National Autarky
A more formal name of Nazi's type of socialism is "National Syndicalism".
https://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/corporatism.htm
Syndicalism, also called Corporatism, is a type of socialism that emphases dividing the nation up into economic corporations, which then coordinate the economic activity of the country. To that end the Nazis created (probably) the biggest national union that Europe has ever seen, they put party members in charge of running corporate businesses.. used commissars to set prices, rationing, determine were people were allowed to work, what they were allowed to make, how much they were allowed to charge, were they were allowed to sell.. They forced factories to build large scale exercise and sports yards, invest in galleries, increased pay, increased breaks, etc.
They were serious about it. It was real. It wasn't a scam or fake-out or way to trick people into voting for them.
They went after communists because they were convenient scapegoats. The average person had a idea of what happened with the horrors of the red revolution in Russia and the chaos it caused and were terrified of it.
Corporatism/Syndicalism was considered very moderate in comparison. It hearkened back to guild systems and thus was seen as more traditional and sometimes was endorsed by religious authorities.
It was advertised as "the new way" or "the third way", etc etc.
CrueltySquadMODTempt@reddit
I hate Communism so much, people will play that stupid Soviet Anthem like it's nothing but that's the anthem of a regime that killed millions of innocent people under a system of oppression.
DoctorGonzoEsquire@reddit
Now do authoritarianism.
I_HopeThat_WasFart@reddit
Nah not good enough to convince the people. It will just come around as the new “normal” when it happens.
beardedbaby2@reddit
Political abuse of psychiatry
That's an interesting one, and something we saw with Covid among western countries.
rebeldogman2@reddit
Just ignore all the starving people on the street begging for food on your way to your capitalism job… 🫨 unbelievable…. 😢
stud_powercock@reddit
Nothing stopping them from getting their own "capitalism" job.
DiabloAcosta@reddit
you are right, you can easily land a job while homeless /s
stud_powercock@reddit
I did
DiabloAcosta@reddit
good for you, now you should learn about survivor bias
txeagle24@reddit
There are plenty of individuals and charitable organizations who provide them with food whenever we see them. There are actually quite a few homeless people who want to stay on the streets. I have family members who serve the homeless on a daily basis and know this to be a fact. Many of the homeless got there because they aged out of the foster system and don't have the documentation (state-issued ID, birth certificate, Social Security card) required to apply for employment or housing. Getting that documentation is generally the first step in helping them get off the streets.
chronicplantbuyer@reddit
Don’t be shy, doxx this person😜
TheBigNoiseFromXenia@reddit
Thought Mao was 100 million and Stalin was 20 million, and we have not even gotten to number 3.
delugepro@reddit (OP)
It's hard to know the exact numbers.
The Black Book of Communism has China at 65 million and the USSR at 20 million, with the total among Communist regimes at around 94.3 million.
David Kopel has China at 87.6 million and the USSR at 61.9 million, with a total of around 168.7 million.
R.J. Rummel has China at 76.7 million and the USSR at 61.9 million, with a total of around 148 million.
Stephen Kotkin and Zbigniew Brzezinski have more conservative estimates with totals of \~65 million and \~60 million respectively.