Why are Greeks in USA so pro Trump ?

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xoxowony@reddit

Most Balkan people in the USA are very pro-Trump

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I'm a dual US German citizen in the US. I live in a suburban area with a very high Balkan population. Schools, gym stores etc. my wife is Serbian and all the Balkan people I know love Trump. Also, Indian/pakistanis, middle Eastern , Koreans etc. every immigrant house on my block had a Trump sign. This was the same in 2016.

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abcdefabcdef999@reddit

Immigrants from these parts are usually conservative and also like tough on immigration policies because they have the delusion that they’re „the good ones“. Source: immigrant from the region.

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bayern_16@reddit

Is it that or is it because they realize how expensive and time consuming the process is. I never thought of it that way

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abcdefabcdef999@reddit

Listen, I love my home region but we’re not really open minded are educated in many cases(in terms of philosophy and liberation terms). We’ve only known monarchies and authocrats for the most part in our culture and othering is a national past time for us. We manage to find differences and division in the slightest things - we’re professionals when it comes to hating other people settling near us.

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bayern_16@reddit

Are you Serbian?

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abcdefabcdef999@reddit

Bosnian which the majority of my friends being fellow Bosnians, Serbs and Croats. It makes for interesting conversations.

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bayern_16@reddit

I work with quite a few Bosnians and they are really cool. I've never really discussed the whole Trump thing, but I assume they are conservative. We have so many Polish people here there are probably 50 plus schools for the kids and they tend to also lean right in US politics

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abcdefabcdef999@reddit

Yeah I wouldn’t be shocked if they were. It can be quite enjoyable to spend time with us but politics is often best left out as a topic.

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linguineemperor@reddit

More like most of the countries they originate from have strong borders and they understand that not having that destroys a country

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abcdefabcdef999@reddit

Where the hell did you get the idea that Balkan countries have strong borders? It’s a literal sieve and main entry route for middle easterners coming to Europe 😂

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Professional_Wish972@reddit

tbh it's not delusion. I can tell you as a North American Muslim it is very clear to see that Europe got mostly the "bad ones" in terms of Muslims immigrations and it's frankly given everyone a bad name.

Look at Indian/Pakistanis in USA for UK you'll see a massive difference. Same for other countries like Germany etc.

I know it sounds classist but just being realistic that historically America had a lot of immigrations from muslim countries but they were the educated class with college degrees and so on. That reflects in todays society that is mostly harmonious

Meanwhile in Europe the immigration was mostly labor class. I'm not saying all immigrants are bad but the doors were open so wide, obviously some of the worst also came in.

We want to avoid that in the US. It's not delusion. It's a complicated subject. I feel for immigrants who just want to make a great life for their family but when you get here illegally, you are taking the place of someone who worked their ass off to come through the legal means but they can't.

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abcdefabcdef999@reddit

So you’re going to tell me, a European Muslim that lives in Europe for 30 years about how bad Muslims in Europe are - aight.

There are plenty of educated Middle Easterners in Europe. We have a shitton of Arabic and Iranian doctors filling high demand openings for instance. That doesn’t make a good headline.

I’m not going to make a fuss about people not going through proper channels when they’re escaping Iran or Syria.

Also yes, your statement is very classist and everyone regardless of background deserves a safe life and the ability to pursue their ambitions. I’d rather judge people individually and give chances. I pay a lot of taxes and I’m happy to help less fortunate people have a chance at their one time opportunity of life.

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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

Any idea why?

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bayern_16@reddit

My wife is Serbian and after Clinton bombed Serbia in the 90"s they hate the Clinton's (same reason they hate Nixon in Vietnam and Bush in Iraq). It's very expensive and difficult to come to the US legally and at least for the ones I know seeing all those people pour of the border like that was like cheating. When I got married we had to send our invitations out a year in advance so the relatives could get visas. My Bil literally became a US citizen a month an ago (he's Bosnian) and was showing me the certificate and explaining how expensive and time consuming it is to legally get his mom, daughter and brother here and how he couldn't believe that these people would come here illegally and how we let them in. Everyone at their church and their cousins voted for Trump. Old babas in wheel chairs were fighting to cast there vote. I'm also going to they are some of the hardest working and proudest Americans I know. The Romanians and Albanians I know are the same. It doesn't hurt the Trumps wife is Slovenian. Vance's wife is South Indian which must have carried some weight in that community.

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Impossible_Speed_954@reddit

They wanna "stop woke propaganda" so bad they'll even vote for a rapist.

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xoxowony@reddit

True. A close family of ours that lives in America says they'll vote for him even tho they have a small daughter :/

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Salmacis81@reddit

If you were here you most likely would be too, once you realized how the Democrats like to split whole society up into "privileged white oppressers" and "oppressed people of color".

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BriarGreen00@reddit

While Republicans are working on inclusiion And unity with all hates hrye are soitting. Jesus Christ how fakin dumb your post is

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Salmacis81@reddit

And unity with all hates hrye are soitting.

You're seriously gonna post this and tell someone else they made a dumb post? Mfer you don't even make sense 🤣

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sjedinjenoStanje@reddit

That's not really true. The "woke" people who do that end up being lumped together with the Dems, even though the woke were calling Biden "Genocide Joe" and Harris "Killer Kamala" and most of them either voted for Jill Stein (Russian stooge) or Trump. They're designed to undermine the Democratic Party from within.

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Salmacis81@reddit

Most of the "woke" definitely did not vote for Trump lmao

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sjedinjenoStanje@reddit

You're right - most did not end up voting at all, or they voted Stein or any other number of fringe lefty candidates.

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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

They didn't blow the election by themselves, but they helped.

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Professional_Wish972@reddit

Yes I would rather vote for Stein or Trump than someone chilling with a neocon like Dick Cheney.

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captainpoopoopeepee@reddit

I've lost track of the demographics of people Trump hates.

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Salmacis81@reddit

When has he ever said he "hated" any demographic? You're just making shit up.

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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

I think he hates everyone who isn't him and his immediate family. Even that's debatable.

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BriarGreen00@reddit

Russian lmao?

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kruska345@reddit

Has Kamala mentioned racial opression or anything in this contest at least once during her campaign?

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Salmacis81@reddit

Probably not since she knows she needs a sizeable portion of the white vote to win, but she certainly allies herself with the race-hustlers.

Anyway Harris wouldn't even have been the nominee if not for Biden picking her based on her race/gender rather than qualifications or popularity. She tried running in 2020 and support for her was so abysmal that she was one of the first candidates to drop out. Afterward she got picked as VP only because Biden was pressured by the leftists to limit his options only to black woman candidates. Then she didn't even have to face a primary this year because Biden dropped out so late ensuring that she would go unchallenged as the nominee, and look what happened haha...not only did she lose every battleground state but she lost the popular vote, Democrats had not lost the popular vote in 20 years lmfao

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BuonTabib@reddit

This isnt true
Bosnians and Albanians are probably very pro-Democrat

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Fragrant-Loan-1580@reddit

Nearly every Albanian I know voted for Trump.

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biglbiglbigl@reddit

wasnt there an albanian guy running for senator in the republican party?

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Fragrant-Loan-1580@reddit

Marko Kepi, he ran for state senator which is below senator. To give some perspective, NY has 63 state senators and the entire US has just under 2,000 state senators. I believe the higher the states population, the more state senators there are.

On the other hand there are a total of 100 senators for all 50 states with each state having two, regardless of population.

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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

That, and a state senator has no power outside of his state.

As for a Senator Senator, each of the 50 states gets 2, so there can never be more than 100. When it comes to elected politicians, only the president has more power over the entire American people than a senator.

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bayern_16@reddit

I live in Chicago and I agree with this.

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BuonTabib@reddit

Man, we are stupid

But well, no wonder, we do the same at home

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Fragrant-Loan-1580@reddit

Yup. I guess I’m the crazy one for having higher expectations from our diasporas.

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Professional_Wish972@reddit

Maybe in the 2016 election, but since many have turned around. Since trump has relaxed his muslim hate a lot of Bosnians and the likes are okay with him but that's from my limited sample as we don't discuss politics all that much

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MISTER_WORLDWIDE@reddit

I’ve seen a lot of pro-Trump support on facebook from Bosnians in America.

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B50O4@reddit

People still use Facebook?

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MISTER_WORLDWIDE@reddit

Yes, it’s still very active and the most active with 3 billion monthly users.

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bayern_16@reddit

I'm in the US. My BIL is Bosnian and became a US citizen a month ago. It was very time consuming and expensive. It will be just as difficult to legally bring his mom, daughter her. We were waiting watching how many people illegally crossed the border and he told me he would vote for Trump and he did. Native Americans and almost ever demographic did. Trump did lose in my state, but it wasn't because of the immigrant vote.

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Rough_Transition1424@reddit

Eh I would argue that my family is pro Trump

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Ambitious-Impress549@reddit

We Albanians really don’t care as long as we enjoy bipartisan support

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BuonTabib@reddit

I wouldn't argue that the support is really that bipartisan though

Richard Grenell doesn't seem pro-Kosova to me

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Ambitious-Impress549@reddit

Well he hasn’t been chosen by Trump yet no? Also the CIA Director and secretary of state are pretty pro Albanian and pro Kosovo so I guess that’s a plus

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cappuccinobiscotti@reddit

Not necessarily true. I know many Albanians here in NYC and most are pro-Trump.

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Analbanian@reddit

Not in my experience. The overwhelming majority of my relatives and friends in the US actively support Trump.

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cbk1992@reddit

I wish that were true, Marko Kepi got a lot of Albanian and Greek support for example. This guy is a big Trump guy.

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Ok-Amount6679@reddit

Turks def aren’t pro trump in the US. They are pro trump in mainland Turkey though.

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xoxowony@reddit

Turkey isn't a Balkan country

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princeintheangel@reddit

We ARE the Balkans it’s a Turkish word lmao

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xoxowony@reddit

"Turkish word" yet it was named after a Bulgarian mountain. Keep living in your delusional bubble, that's the only thing they teach y'all in school

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princeintheangel@reddit

Bal Kan directly translates to Honey Blood. If it’s named after mountain in Bulgaria, it’s probably after the Turkish went in there.

Also, not a fckin Bulgarian trying to have a superiority complex LMAO

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Non-Professional22@reddit

No that's false ethimoly Blood and Honey, its from بالقان, cognte with balık, and probably refers to swamps or else...

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princeintheangel@reddit

Balik? As in fish? Huh I never knew that - was it Arabic or Persian you referenced?

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DoNotMakeEmpty@reddit

Balkan does not have any Arabic or Persian origin. Nişanyan says it is from Middle Turkic "balkan" meaning "high mountain", which in turn may have come from Middle Turkic "balkı-" meaning "to shine". Balık and balçık were originally synonyms both coming from "bal-" meaning "to stick", but I have not been able to find connection between balkı- and bal-.

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jamvsjelly23@reddit

The word was borrowed from Turkic (or possibly Persian) and applied to the mountains. It doesn’t take much effort to look things up.

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Puzzled-Ad-1318@reddit

Because Islamist Harris was supporting bathroom cleaners 🇹🇷who committed genocide and ethnic cleansing of Greek people.

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Paradoxius@reddit

As a Greek American, it's frankly because many Greek Americans strive for nothing more than to own a big house (or two, or three) and a pleasure boat and to be able to look down on people whose families came to this country more recently than theirs. I suppose it's the product of the first one or two generations of their families in this country starting small businesses or getting good high-paying jobs in the states, making money, assimilating into the dominant culture of the US, and raising them to believe they're more deserving than people who have less.

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Aggravating-Car-1897@reddit

Most of us eastern euros are right wing because we know the dangers of communism

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BriarGreen00@reddit

Most of Eastern Euros are right wing because they are uneducated and easy go manipulate. That is how their dictators are keeping them poor and staying in power for 20 plus tears khmmm khmm Milo and Vucic….

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Aggravating-Car-1897@reddit

That’s just not true the majority of people I know from the balkans are educated more so even than America. That is called corruption not a lack of education.

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BriarGreen00@reddit

Corruption goes hand in hand with a lack of education.

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Aggravating-Car-1897@reddit

There isn’t a lack of education in the Balkans have you been? Also how many millions of successful people never went to college? If anything I trust people who never went to school because they weren’t indoctrinated with the leftist bullshit taught in American schools.

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BriarGreen00@reddit

You are so fakin brainwashed that is cringy.

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Aggravating-Car-1897@reddit

Ako ti kažeš 😅

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hunichii@reddit

Greeks have never been under the threat of communism.
Leftism ≠ communism

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Aggravating-Car-1897@reddit

I said most not all. If we’re talking American politics the New Democratic Party is very similar to communism/socialism ideology.

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hunichii@reddit

Absolutely not.

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Aggravating-Car-1897@reddit

You must not live in America

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Axil_GR@reddit

Diaspora tends to be way more conservative than the Greeks back in the homeland.

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throwaway082122@reddit

Greeks in Greece are still pretty socially conservative by North American standards. Everyone in Greece is just economically far left and believes in a very big welfare state/social system. You don’t see every coffee shop in Greece flying a LGBT flag for example. Very common to see here in North America, especially in Canada and blue states.

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Axil_GR@reddit

The only socially conservative people are really just old people. If you still visit Greece you will notice that people here are trying to move on from most things that would be considered conservative, in contrast to Greeks abroad want to preserve the culture and traditions.

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Fit_Instruction3646@reddit

Not surprising, honestly. Trump embodies traditional masculine values while the dems embody progressive feminine values. Balkaners being more machoistic and generally conservative are just deaf for the democratic talking points.

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BriarGreen00@reddit

What gave yiu hing if masculine values? His fat ass and whale stomack or his gay orange makup on his face?

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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

It's that weird way he stands so that he won't shit himself in public.

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BriarGreen00@reddit

Dude is wearing diapers and for lunatics he represent traditional masculinity lmao

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Sanguine_Caesar@reddit

It's the same bullshit as alpha and beta males: astrology for insecure men who are too cowardly to insult someone without couching it in esoteric nonsense.

I miss the days when people would just call someone they don't like a pussy instead of feeling the need to hide behind "masculine vs feminine values" because they're too much of a coward to just say what they mean.

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Fit_Instruction3646@reddit

All of them, yes.

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BriarGreen00@reddit

Flair uo, racist Mongolian scum

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DavidofSasun@reddit

I know Armenians aren’t’ Balkans but there’s a pretty large Armenian-American community here in Los Angeles (some approximate a million). They are one of the most avid Trump supporters I’ve come across in a pretty Democrat/blue city like Los Angeles. If I were to guess I’d say 70% are Trump supporters. Just in my neighborhood I’ve seen Armenians with Trump flags on their cars and houses. I even see them wearing those stupid red hats too.

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sergy777@reddit

Why so many Armenians are pro-Trump?

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throwaway082122@reddit

Likely because Trump is perceived as being pro-Judeo-Christian and Armenians have historically been prosecuted for their religion.

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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

I grew up not far from where they're concentrated. Biden recognizing the Armenian Genocide was a huge deal. They had been pushing for that for decades and decades, but no president wanted to piss Turkey off over it. Biden just went and did it.

I've been away from home for a while, and that's the reason why I'm a tiny bit surprised.

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Kejo2023@reddit

They're not pro-Trump per se since he himself has a good work relationship with Erdoğan. It's his administration that is anti-Turkish to its core and enjoys Greek voters support in the US.

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throwaway082122@reddit

Dude, no Greek in North America votes for their own domestic government, thinking about their relation with Turkey. We don’t think about Turkey at all to be quite honest since y’all on the other side of the planet.

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BriarGreen00@reddit

He himself doesn’t even know what your country is. He thought that Orban is president of Turkey

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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

I guess he thinks less clearly when he's Hungary.

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ballzstreetwets@reddit

We found the Turk

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Kejo2023@reddit

Thank God I have no user flair.

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ballzstreetwets@reddit

and he doesn't get the joke 🙄

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Relative_Session_658@reddit

I have relatives in the US and most of them are pro Trump . From what they tell me, they value traditional values, like family and religion and I guess that’s the main reason.

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throwaway082122@reddit

This is the case with most immigrants. It’s usually only those of Northern/Western European descent that end up being liberal.

Socially, as a Greek I feel my family has more in common with regards to family values with my first/second generation Indian-Canadian friends and then I do with my x generation Canadian friends.

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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

Trump would wipe his own ass with one of his Trump-branded bibles if he thought it would benefit him. As for family values, he's not far behind Berlusconi, although he plucks that string more skillfully than old Silvio ever did.

Born and raised in the USA, and I was an evangelical fundie for several years. And yet I fail to understand.

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stos313@reddit

None of which Trump embodies but τέλος παντο

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Niocs@reddit

but of course kamala did

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stos313@reddit

How many baby daddies does she have? Trumps got what 4 kids with three wives or something? Not to mention raw fogging a porn star while his wife is pregnant with one of them then paying her hush money. Family man!!

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Niocs@reddit

good point, but still that's not what he stands for and what his policies are

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stos313@reddit

He stands for himself and nothing else. Were you not paying attention from 16-20?!

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Azulan5@reddit

Look at his family lol his grandkids his children like they are awesome and respect him as the leader of their family

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glasswindbreaker@reddit

He fought his family over trust funds (not money he himself earned) over medical care for his disabled nephew and said it would be better if the child "just died". Read Mary Trump's book that family runs on cruelty and fear not respect.

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Azulan5@reddit

I know them personally this is not true lol

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glasswindbreaker@reddit

😂 yeah I'm going to take an actual family members word over yours, it's notable that no one in the family challenged her retelling or was able to say she defamed Donald in court because Mary told the truth in her book.

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Azulan5@reddit

You aren’t even American so your opinion doesn’t even matter besides you are Greek so that’s another negative point in your part of judging people lol, look at your countries politics it is a mess it has been a mess for a long time

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glasswindbreaker@reddit

I have dual citizenship and homes in the US and Greece, and your countries politics are pretty fucked too. It's really the wealthy vs the working class everywhere and Trump certainly doesn't have anything but his own interests in mind.

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Round_Parking601@reddit

Most of the working class voted for Trump too

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glasswindbreaker@reddit

I didn't say Americans were smart

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Round_Parking601@reddit

Democrats also used this rhetoric, didn't work out the best

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glasswindbreaker@reddit

That doesn't make any sense. In any case what we need in the US is ranked choice voting and money out of politics, so 3rd parties can be viable. People like you seem to think this is about "teams" and really it's about our current lack of viable options as the current system stands.

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Round_Parking601@reddit

Its not about teams, it's about ideologies and worldviews.

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glasswindbreaker@reddit

That's what polarizing leaders want you to believe, they leverage that kind of thing to keep people divided. Ultimately most of humanity just wants to live and raise families in safety and relative comfort, with the ability to make their own choices about their lifestyles and freedom to pursue what makes them happy.

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Round_Parking601@reddit

I agree, but I have fundamental things I disagree on with progressives. My outlook on life doesn't align with their views either. So it ultimately comes down to what who believes in.

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glasswindbreaker@reddit

Not really, we can all coexist. Authoritarians and extremists are the only ones who don't consider that possible.

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Azulan5@reddit

Cool lol

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stos313@reddit

Wow you know his kids and grandkids?

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Azulan5@reddit

Yes I know them

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stos313@reddit

Good for you. So you know that they respect and look up to their father? I’m surprised because he talks slewing with some and how stupid other are.

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Round_Parking601@reddit

It's not just about what he himself is, but what the opposite side stands for is clearly non-traditional progressive values, so either vote for the guy whose supporters are mostly traditional Americans, or vote / abstain and get progressive anti-traditional party/president.

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Affectionate-Arm-405@reddit

The right always represents a strong base of family first beliefs, little change (that happens slowly) and more conservative style of governing. I'm not saying it is right or wrong but that's how the ride is viewed across the world not just the usa. I'm not even saying that Trump represents that.

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Relative_Session_658@reddit

Συμφωνώ

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BriarGreen00@reddit

Family values literally every appointee including zorange man who fuck an escort while wife was home pregnant; had rape charges, felonies, you name it 🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻

Every time you see in paper “Politician arrested for …” 98 put of 100 you already know is Republican.

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alinarulesx@reddit

Well, that’s the traditional family for ya

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BriarGreen00@reddit

So true,” let me cover my degeneracy behind church and traditional values”.

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peachpavlova@reddit

If it’s worked for thousands of years, why not keep using it…

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Relative_Session_658@reddit

I didn’t speak for myself, it’s what they say.

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AverageBasedUser@reddit

have you seen the picture of Kamala's transgender son crying after the results were announced? does she seem closer to the picture of a traditional family?

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BriarGreen00@reddit

Did her transgender stepson rape anybody? Does it runningf or the office?

Your fat slike orange dragqueenndid all of that

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Salmacis81@reddit

Not exactly unique to USA conservatives, Berlusconi comes to mind

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AlegusChopChop@reddit

Their ancestors who migrated to the States were very religious and conservative

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throwaway082122@reddit

Disagree. My parents are both Greek immigrants however I was born in Canada, but I have a lot of friends who are from Greece as newcomers. They’re pretty economically left but very socially right. I’ve not met a single social liberal who immigrated from the Balkans or eastern Europe to Canada. One of my good friends here is an immigrant from Poland and he is gay, and even he is more right wing than most here.

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ridesharegai@reddit

Greece was so much better back then tbh

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AlegusChopChop@reddit

True. Greece back then had growth rates equivalent to that of the Asian Tigers. Today it's a country full of yuppies who think destroying universities will bring about a socialist utopia. I won't even talk about the death of entrepreneurship

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tonygoesrogue@reddit

Universities not having basic equipment and infrastructure is a much bigger problem than graffiti. I agree it looks bad, but having studied in one, my biggest concern was the lack of teaching staff, massively under-equipped labs, outdated classrooms, etc. You can't blame the few campus leftists when the Electrical Engineering department doesn't have a fucking electric motor that students can work on. Graffiti and posters are used as smoke and mirrors to hide the massive underfunding and abandonment of the public universities by the government

It still shocks me that conservatives and neoliberals are ok with shitty education, as long as it looks shiny from the outside

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AlegusChopChop@reddit

I didn't say they are the sole reason...
I am not a conservative or a neolib...
Don't be disingenuous, you know very well that these leftist gangs started acting up at a time where Greece did have the things you mentioned. Also, leftist parties that governed Greece never did anything to solve the issues (because they don't care, they are just excuses for their parasitic behavior)

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Thefirstredditor12@reddit

There have been 2 political parties in Greece that rules Pasok and ND with a small break in 2015-2019 with Syriza.

Both Pasok and ND indebted the country,never really bothered to make policies with the future of the country in mind,and made sure to make money for themselves and enable corruption.

All this good old people back when ''greece'' had growth prospects made sure to steal money,put it in their pockets and make the country bankrupt,and their debts payed by the new generation.

So no Greece's problem is not leftist gangs.

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AlegusChopChop@reddit

You are absolutely right

So no Greece's problem is not leftist gangs.

It is part of the problem, not the only one. I have probably said that about a hundred times already

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Thefirstredditor12@reddit

there is no important systemic problem that is caused by leftist gangs.

Decay on education is because of lack of funding and lack of real planning,along with decades of bankrupting the country.

I mean not sure what you mean by leftist gang and what systemic problems they cause.

To put it bluntly if those ''gangs'' dissapeared,greek Universtiy would still have facility problems(not sure the english word),would still be understaffed etc...

Not to mention any problems such ''gangs'' and also similar right wing gangs cause,could be fixed by good central policy.

Political parties in Universities is not simply just a left gang problem.

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Progressferatu@reddit

for us non-Balkaners, please DO talk about it.
what is happening?

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puzzledpanther@reddit

Today it's a country full of yuppies who think destroying universities will bring about a socialist utopia.

Imagine having such a banquet or reasons of why Greece is fucked up, not to mention a liberal-conservative government for the last 5 years... and you think the main reason is wanabe socialists writing graffiti on walls.

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AlegusChopChop@reddit

Sure, they are not the only reason. But part of it for sure.

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Lvl100Centrist@reddit

Yes, but only because they dumped the cost on the future generations.

I too would like to own 2 houses and 3 cars earning a single salary. But the next 2 generations have to pay for it. Life hack!

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NoPrivacy0220@reddit

I agree 100%..

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srberikanac@reddit

Because they prefer his policy? Most of the Balkans people here came with very little and have done very good (see by detailed ancestry here)

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SnooPuppers1429@reddit

the demonym is just "Macedonians"

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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

I think you guys know how it feels when people tell us we should call ourselves "unitedstateseans" instead of "Americans." Nope. Not gonna. Ever.

Fortunately I haven't come across this outside of Reddit.

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SnooPuppers1429@reddit

ok but, I have never said for americans to call themselves that

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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

Wasn't saying you did. I was just saying that you must know what it's like when people on Reddit say that you should call yourselves something else.

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srberikanac@reddit

Northern was in parantheses, but there for a reason.

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CriticalHistoryGreek@reddit

Hell, I use only "Macedonia" for the country and I don't care about pissing off my compatriots.

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srberikanac@reddit

Most Greek Americans I know use the terms I mentioned above, but I definitely have no problem with going with writing only 'Macedonian' if that's the general concensus on this sub.

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CriticalHistoryGreek@reddit

It seems to me that the consensus for the demonym and the language is "Macedonian", for the country is -unfortunately- "North Macedonia".

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Kalypso_95@reddit

"Όχι άλλο κάρβουνο"

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CriticalHistoryGreek@reddit

Τελικά είμαι το Κάρβουνο ή ο Φλόριαν; /s

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Kalypso_95@reddit

Por que no los dos?

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CriticalHistoryGreek@reddit

Αν μπορώ να είμαι ταυτόχρονα και ο Ντράγκαν δέχομαι την συμφωνία.

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Kalypso_95@reddit

Πρέπει να προσποιηθείς λίγο καλύτερα κ να γράφεις "Kosovo je Srbija" σε κάθε σχόλιο σου μπας και πείσεις κανέναν :)

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CriticalHistoryGreek@reddit

Ma i jeste Kosovo Srbija! Šta si mislila, moja draga Kalipso?

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Kalypso_95@reddit

Ποντιακά ξέρεις? 🤔

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CriticalHistoryGreek@reddit

Δεν σε ρώτησα, σερβικά ξέρεις εσύ;

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Kalypso_95@reddit

Κάτι κάνω

Imam dobrog učitelja :)

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CriticalHistoryGreek@reddit

Drago mi je.

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CriticalHistoryGreek@reddit

Ντράγκαν σου είπα ότι θέλω να ονομάζομαι, όχι Ντραγκανίδης.

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Kalypso_95@reddit

Πόσο διαφορετική είναι η γλώσσα που μιλάνε οι σλαβόφωνοι από τα σερβικά;

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CriticalHistoryGreek@reddit

Φαντάζομαι αναφέρεσαι στους Μακεδόνες.

Έχει αρκετές διαφορές. Το αλφάβητο των Μακεδόνων έχουν τα γράμματα ѓ, ќ και ѕ, εκ των οποίων τα αντίστοιχα σέρβικα είναι ђ кαι ћ ενώ το τρίτο δεν υπάρχει, τα μακεδονικά δεν έχουν πτώσεις ενώ τα σερβικά έχουν (αν και προς τον νότο της Σερβίας χρησιμοποιούνται λιγότερο και αντίστοιχα στο Κουμάνοβο κάποιες πτώσεις χρησιμοποιούνται), οι τύποι των ουσιαστικών, των ρημάτων, των αντωνυμιών, κλπ είναι διαφορετικοί, το λεξιλόγιο έχει αρκετές κοινές λέξεις αλλά όχι όλες, η σύνταξη είναι διαφορετική εφόσον δεν υπάρχουν πτώσεις, κλπ, κλπ, κλπ. Γνωρίζοντας σέρβικα όμως έχω καλύτερη κατανόηση των μακεδονικών παρά των βουλγαρικών.

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Kalypso_95@reddit

Ονόμασε τους και Αλεξανδρινούς αν θέλεις, λίγο με απασχολεί

Και όχι δεν θέλω να καταλήξω στο αν η γλώσσα των σλαβόφωνων μοιάζει πιο πολύ με τα βουλγαρικά ή τα σερβικά. Άλλο ήθελα να δω το οποίο μου το απάντησες.

Until we meet again Florjan

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CriticalHistoryGreek@reddit

Ωραία, το είδες. Τι συμπέρασμα βγάζεις;

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Celestial_Presence@reddit

"unfortunately"

https://i.redd.it/dm8low72vi1e1.gif

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thesaddestpanda@reddit

>They prefer and personally benefit from Trump’s policies.

Im greek-american and all the greeks I know were punished by Trump. That is to say we are blue state high CoL types which got our taxes raised by lowering the cap on the mortgage deduction.

Greek-Americans arent Trump supporters. They're just like any Americans. Those who are conservative/lower income/lower education are, but many Greeks are educated blue city types at least from my experience.

Dukakis ran as a democrat for these reasons. Greeks in government are mostly democrats too.

I cant find newer data but here's a list of greeks in the federal government. Only 2 are GOP:

https://americanhellenic.org/greek-americans-elected-officials/

and politicians that are pro-Greece are majority dems too.

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srberikanac@reddit

I think which party politicians choose to join is not necessarily a good indicator of which party people support. Greeks, just like Serbians, live predominantly in blue states, where if you want a realistic chance of being elected, you have to be in the Democratic Party.

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-BarrenWuffett@reddit

Who would you rather vote for? For the political party that is generally popular amongst self hating white people and that wants to import millions of third worlders in order to replace the current population or the political party that promises to stop this madness?

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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

ethnic minorities

Hey man, we're just as American as any redneck in a cowboy hat.

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sta6gwraia@reddit

All Americans were pro Trump as it proved.

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we-have-to-go@reddit

Rounding numbers but of all eligible voters 40%ish didn’t vote, 30% Trump, 29ish Harris.

So less than 1/3 is pro Trump. The biggest group is the apathetic

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sta6gwraia@reddit

Was it a close call then?

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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

Closer than it looks at first blush. A lot of the swing states were really tight.

With that said, it was a lot less close than I was expecting. I thought that shit was going to drag out for weeks, with riots in the streets and armies of lawyers trying to fuck everything up. I didn't think he would win so fast and cleanly.

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we-have-to-go@reddit

I wouldn’t call it a close election nor would I call it a blow out. I definitely wouldn’t call it a mandate like I’m sure the Republicans will insist it is.

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BriarGreen00@reddit

He won less then one percent vote in total. So that is i guess All Americans

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cosmicdicer@reddit

Can you translate this into a cohesive sentence? What you mean he got 1% vote in total, you got my attention

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BriarGreen00@reddit

He got 76 million votes. Or 50 perxent She got 74 million or 48 percent. It’s called math.

Coherent enough for your brain?

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cosmicdicer@reddit

Not my fault you were not cohesive. You should have written he won with % margin of victory. And it was 1.8% wiseass, still got it wrong

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jelypo@reddit

Took me a minute to understand what you meant

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AdHominemMeansULost@reddit

Why wouldn’t they be? They know how shit other countries are. Most immigrants voted for Trump with black women being the exception I think.

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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

Black Americans have never been counted as immigrants. (If we're not considering people who immigrated from Africa or the Caribbean in recent history.) Also, while a lot more black men voted for him than expected, it was still a minority of black men.

He also had a bit less than half of Latino voters, and there was a gender divide with that, too.

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Ok-Amount6679@reddit

It kind of depends on the type of immigrant that went there. For example in Europe most Turks that went on to work in places like Germany were uneducated low skill workers and they tend to vote for erdogan. Turks in places like Arabian peninsula or NA are usually engineers, professors, doctors etc and Erdogan has very low voting potential in these places.

So if the Greeks that went to US back in the day were also people who just left because they couldn’t find jobs in the mainland that kinda explains it. That’s just my observation though I’d be really interested if anyone has an article related to this kind of behavior.

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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

Every Turkish immigrant I ever knew back in the USA either had a doctorate or was about to get one.

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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

I have a Greek-American friend. She's left wing, but she's more sanguine about Trump winning than I thought she would be. I should note that her parents were middle class from Athens, so that might make her atypical.

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AnjavChilahim@reddit

Because immigrants hate other immigrants.

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NoItem5389@reddit

As a Greek-American I think I can answer this. Most of the conservative values of the Republican Party align up very well with the Greek community in America. Most of us are more religious and more conservative than those that live in Greece. We also typically have very strict views on illegal immigration, abortion, the economy, etc among other things. I understand that Greece is becoming more secular/atheist but the Greek American community is the opposite. In America, your cultural identity is maintained through the Greek Orthodox Church where the church not only teaches religions, but also serves as a cultural center for Hellenic dance and Greek language (though the language part could be improved). Thus, in America, to be Greek is to be Orthodox (at least in identity). Due to this, most Greek-Americans are pretty conservative/traditional and thus vote accordingly.

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Normal_Ad2456@reddit

I would expect that as the next generations become more Americanized they would abandon the Orthodox Church etc. Like, most second generation Greeks I know (including my sister’s daughter) only speak broken Greek and most third generation Greeks don’t even speak the language.

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NoItem5389@reddit

Also something of note is that diaspora kids (especially in America) are EXTREMELY proud of being Greek. I think it’s different in Greece because when everyone’s Greek you might not feel as special but in America when there are like 1083729480 different ethnic groups, Greeks love to stick out and let everyone know they are Greek!

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NoItem5389@reddit

Disagree. Will I agree the language will be lost, the religion is going strong. We have more membership than ever. My church has over 1200 families and still growing.

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Sanguine_Caesar@reddit

It's the same with most Croats and the Catholic church here in Canada. Afaik the diaspora vote is almost guaranteed to go HDZ every time in Croatian elections, and many here support conservatives for the same reasons as those you gave. My family seems to be the exception in that we are mostly quite liberal or even left-wing (not so much with my extended family that live here though).

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NoItem5389@reddit

Very interesting. My family is the opposite, a lot of my immediate family is conservative but my extended family is quite liberal. Always makes the family holidays exciting

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NoItem5389@reddit

I also think that if you live outside of America, you don’t see the craziness that is happening. There are biological men competing in women’s sports (totally unfair), you can get suspended if you call someone the wrong pronouns at university, and they want to legalize sex change surgeries for minors. Among smaller things they put tampon dispensaries in the men’s bathroom.

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Pushkinsalive@reddit

Oh yikes so you’re a Trump supporter yourself, this escalated quickly.

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NoItem5389@reddit

Lmao well to be fair I am a Greek-American lol. My reply was genuinely made in good faith

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BriarGreen00@reddit

All of that is taken out of proportion. There is literally less then 5 transpeople in woman sport, there is one story of tampoons from unimportant person, novody got suspended for wrong pronouns… You know what is not taken out of proportion? That Trump himself has rape accusations. That this some new minister of defense from Fox paid to shot down rape accusations. That Mat Gaets fucked a child. Too much for family values lmao

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Normal_Ad2456@reddit

We all see the world news man, there is something called the Internet. But a few trans women competing in female sports really isn’t a big problem for society overall and does not affect most people anyway.

And no one wants to legalize sex confirmation surgery for minors, that’s just conservative propaganda. Puberty blockers, which are already legalized in some states, have been used on minors or even testosterone/estrogen in some cases, but no one said anything about surgery.

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playing_the_angel@reddit

This sounds like the most plausible answer and makes a lot of sense.

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Negative-Decision-76@reddit

That's just what you have seen which isn't the best representation of Greek Americans as a whole.

However, it may be because Greece is a fairly conservative and religious country. Republicans are conservative and often times religious. Kamala said "You are at the wrong rally" to some Christians who said something along the lines of "Jesus is king" or some shit like that. You often don't feel like siding with the people who insult you or don't support you.

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Normal_Ad2456@reddit

Greece is fairly conservative, but still the most Conservative Party that ever became government is liberal, which is the “left” party in America. Our second and third parties right now advocate for social democracy and we have had a socialist Democratic Party as a government for many years.

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Negative-Decision-76@reddit

Less to do with political parties, more to do with mindsets. While the people that i know in Greece are quite progressive, from my expeexperience Greek diaspora isn't always like that and tend to have a very "old fashioned" mindset.

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Hiyahue@reddit

Lower taxes, like 70% of Greek people have restaurants, republicans always pass or remove laws that help restaurants. If you work 70 hours a week in a restaurant you to would be much more of a penny pincher

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mrbruh1527@reddit

Ah, the classic turkish-greek business type abroad; restaurants!!

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nasosroukounas@reddit

an old American joke: "Two Greeks meet in New York and what do they do? They open a dinner" Greeks generally prefer to be self employed than being salary men,so my guess is that Greek Americans prefer Trump because he is pro business

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IHateRedditMAGA@reddit

Mainly because a lot of them (at least a majority of older Greek families in my community) escaped Communism/the Junta after WW2 and into the 70s/80s. They don't like big government being involved in their lives, hold strict family values, and enjoy their freedom to hold an opinion (Greeks love holding strong dare I say controversial opinions).

Among other reasons, many are also small business owners - Republicans and other Conservative parties have been more lenient when it comes to invasive laws like minimum wage and tax increases, just to name a few.

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SAUR-ONE@reddit

It is the usual phenomenon, where the descendants of immigrants become more conservative.

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GodAdminDominus@reddit

Because he's greek actually - Δήμος Τομπάζης

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Sir_George@reddit

Depends on your location. I'm in Illinois and most Greek people I know are democrats.

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No-Contest-8127@reddit

I guess the faux strong guy archetypes gels with eastern european sensitivities. They are ex-USSR and on those parts they do like their dictators. Not fully the case with Greece ofc, but it's just the mindset over there. They are a bit behind culturally and don't look at tolerance with well... tolerance. But then again, seems to be the case in half of the US aswell.

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cosmicyellow@reddit

Because we know what a woman is.

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we-have-to-go@reddit

Ugh that’s such a stupid take. Kamala barely mentioned trans people because honestly who the fuck cares. It’s such a Small percentage of the population but republicans made it like 40% of their ads because the actual stuff republicans want to do are deeply unpopular.

Everyone knows they’re not a biological woman but if that’s what they want to identify as then who the fuck cares. I affects mine yours or anyone’s life in 0 capacity. So let them be “women” as a frame of social construct just leave people alone

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bruh123445@reddit

The people that have the means to leave a country are going to be more right wing (in general) due to their higher status.

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8MileRoad11@reddit

Depends what part of Greece they from also

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Bottles4u@reddit

Do you really want to know? Because most Greek Americans own businesses. That is 99% of the reason

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PokeEmEyeballs@reddit

Trump has many sides that appeals to different people, depending on which filter you wish to apply on him.

Rich people like him because he promises lower taxes.

Poor people like him because he promises more jobs and bringing back manufacturing from China.

Big companies like him because he promises tariffs on foreign competitors.

Jews like him because he is seen as being pro Israel and was willing to make controversial moves like the embassy in Jerusalem.

Arabs and Muslims like him because he promises to end the Gaza war quickly and is not believed to be valses around so easily by Netanyahu.

Religious Christians / orthodox love him because of his views on LGBT / woke mindsets and conservative family values.

Gun owners like him for his stances on the 2nd amendment.

Border communities like him because of his stances on less immigration and deportation.

Russians love him because he is seen as a Putin supporter.

Europeans like him because he is seen as “tough” and willing to go to war to defend American interests and allies.

Many of his stances and statements contradict one another, but so long as you only focus on the sides of him you like, he can appear as a great and tough guy who once said one or two memorable things in a politically incorrect manner that stuck with you.

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Competitive_Rock3038@reddit

I can only assume that one of reasons is that Greeks are very religious and have values that are more aligned to what Republicans preach than Democrats

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

We're by no means "very religious", Americans are more religious than any European ethnicity, besides, who said you have to be religious in order to be sane?

I am an atheist and i support president Trump, wokeness has no place on this planet!

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ayayayamaria@reddit

I am an atheist and i support president Trump, wokeness has no place on this planet!

You heard it folks, wokeness has no place on this planet, but Jeffrey Epstein's rapist buddies do.

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

Trump is a good honest man, the exact opposite of a rapist.

You should be ashamed of yourself for spreading such disgusting nonsense about him.

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Giantdwarf3@reddit

Well greek diaspora tends to be more religious and conservative than greeks in greece so that must play a role

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elektronyk@reddit

Define wokeness

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

You want me to get banned again😂?

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elektronyk@reddit

I want you to stop being a coward and say what you actually mean

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

Which will lead to me getting banned (so much for free speech 😂), so, no.

You KNOW what i actually mean, you simply want me to say something that will get me banned, not gonna happen.

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cewap1899@reddit

How can you claim you support free speech, when Trump supporters are just as big of “snowflakes” as any “woke liberal” lol. It’s free speech when you guys want to bash minorities or LGBT community, but god forbid someone says anything against christianity or your supreme leader Trump, even if they just bring up facts about him

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elektronyk@reddit

Why do you think stating your opinion will get you banned? Does your opinion include hate against certain minorities? If not, I would not be worried, so go on :)

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

No, my opinion doesn't "include hate against certain minorities", wokie.

You see, you liberals happen to be allergic to free speech, you're quick to call anyone you disagree with a "FAsCisT😭😡" yet you're the fascists yourselves, by definition.

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BriarGreen00@reddit

Free speach you say? https://thenewsglobe.net/?p=7381

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

Now find me actual examples of people who got in trouble because they criticized the USA, i can find you countless examples of people who got in trouble because they said something that went against the woke narrative.

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BriarGreen00@reddit

Tell me what you want to say that wokeness doesn’t let you say it? Let’s hear it out here?

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elektronyk@reddit

Ok, then say it. I will not censor you, I will listen to what you have to say. What is wokeness?

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Pmike9@reddit

Wokeness is the fake pushing of the DEI agenda, forcing people to conform to a certain opinion and begin thinking into a certain direction. Wokeness not always, but sometimes goes against logic and after all aims to discredit smart/sane people and give a (fake) sense of credibility to the mentally ill, weak, confused people. What is most evil about the woke agenda is the following: those who push it and pretend to be FOR the rights of those minorities and pretend to give them power/influence, have absolutely no good intentions. They want to divide, rule, continue selling medicine/drugs/hormones and continue funding and initiating wars to keep their power and money flow for as long as they can. After some time they change the trope again and the cycle continues. Unfortunately the propaganda works so well that even sane people begin questioning reality.

Hope that helps and hope yall wake up, cuz nothing good awaits the sleeping.

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elektronyk@reddit

Interesting, but if we take this definition, then how is Trump and his administration supposedly "anti-woke"? They want people to conform to thinking by religious and conservative ideals, they pretend to be advocates for groups such as men, religious people or industrial workers, but they only use them to gain power for themselves and for their corporate overlords like Elon Musk. They also want to divide people to rule over them by making their entire campaigns orbit around culture war shit to distract people on both sides from their economical situation.

By your definition, Trump would be 10 times more "woke" than Biden or any Democrat. Or is it only woke and bad if it is done by the left and it's ok when the right does it?

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BriarGreen00@reddit

This certainly wakes me up how brainwashed you are

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

"You" don't run Reddit my dear friend, the libs who do will sure as hell "cancel" me if i elaborate any further on this topic, so as i said, it's not happening!

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kruska345@reddit

Capitalist smokescreen to make people fight each other and to forget about class struggle. Its incredible that people are falling on that and believing that its some genuine enemy.

Thats exactly why Disney has been pushing changing the race of the Disney princesses although it was a very unpopular decision from the start. Cause they are a capitalist company and they need people to argue over something to forget the fact that they are being exploited.

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Sad_Philosopher_3163@reddit

Great comment and it is actually ridiculous how many people are invested in that smokescreen from all sides of political spectrum.

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elektronyk@reddit

Yup, you nailed it.

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Exposian@reddit

what

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thecunning7@reddit

Albanians for Trump all the way

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Outrageous_Trade_303@reddit

How many Greek-Americans have you seen in total?

Just FYI: Ther are more than 1 million in total

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Zeyrox788@reddit

Not only greeks but all balkan diaspora , idk why balkan diaspora are so brain dead

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

Because they have a brain, President Trump is a good man.

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sinred7@reddit

How can a rapist and sexual predator ever be seen as a good man?

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

He is neither of those things, desperate wokie.

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sinred7@reddit

See, I was willing to listen to you, but you condemn yourself when you deny things he has admitted.

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smallddavid@reddit

How tf is he a good man have you even read project 2025? And also trump lies

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Trenmonstrr@reddit

Sorry to break it to you, but all politicians lie lol

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BriarGreen00@reddit

They have a roten brain you mean?

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

No, people are tired of the woke leftist bs the dems promote and the results of this election speak for themselves.

Trump is here and he's not going anywhere for the next 4 years, deal with it!!!

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BriarGreen00@reddit

What is woke? I am excited that our first lady is ex escort though. That is always nice.

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

Escorts are smarter and more useful than Democrats anyway 🤣🤣🤣

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BriarGreen00@reddit

Based on your comments, someone can easily debunk that. It looks like God pass that small shithole countey that this escort is from when he was giving brain. I wish when they send us immigrants from that shithoel they send us good ones not rapists and escorts. Also, what is woke, describe to me like I am 5 years old?

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

Escorts are not of below average intelligence by default, unlike Kamala supporters.

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Pmike9@reddit

Real

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

Absolutely my friend, let the libs bitch and moan about this stuff 24/7, Americans made the right choice this month and Trump is here and kicking ass, they should cope!

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BriarGreen00@reddit

This plastic one for sure is. Otherwise she couldn’t stand next to that orange fat pile of shit Also, you still are failing to tel us what woke means? What happened? Your brain is malfunctioning?

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

Aww kiddo got mad, how adorable.

I already told you that i am not gonna tell you what i mean because that would get my account banned, do you have reading comprehension problems?

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fk_censors@reddit

Culturally, Greeks are natural businessmen. It's only natural for them to side with the Republican nominee, whoever that is.

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TinyAsianMachine@reddit

My grandma was a hippy till her death, and always a democrat voter from the 60s.

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AnalysisQuiet8807@reddit

Well good for them

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Jtdm93@reddit

A lot of Serbs I knew in America didn’t like Biden cause he said he wanted a Japan-Germany style occupation of Belgrade in the 90s

Before that they liked trump because the diaspora tries to hold onto its roots and the best way to do that is conservatism

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cbk1992@reddit

I was surprised by this because most I’ve ever met were Democrats but if they were Republican it was that type that now would vote for Kamala. However, these demographics are really educated Greeks. We have a lot of dumb mfs too, so I assume they are the majority and would have been mAGa

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GeneralVuk@reddit

You are mistaking the educated greeks for the non educated ones

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cbk1992@reddit

Thanks university of YouTube.

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PeterMurrellTrapgod@reddit

Can’t speak for US but in the UK, most of my relatives are extremely right wing. I don’t ascribe to the following ideas, but am just commenting on what I’ve grown up around.

I think it’s a few things, most diaspora become more conservative in their new country to defend the values they grew under and see as true. It’s also trying to preserve one’s own culture, religion, and, nationalism that they grew knowing. Progressive values usually challenge and/or directly threaten these traditional conservative values. I’ve seen Cypriot Greeks here in the UK act in a far more radical manner, supporting anti-Muslim groups due to their own hatred for Turks. This is of course, still just racism and prejudice.

I feel as though a lot of Greeks also feel ownership of western democracy and values, which means they also feel greatly inclined to “defend” the conservative values.

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DirtAlarming3506@reddit

Romanians too. They are staunchly anti communist but then vote for PSD back home.

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Maximum-County-1061@reddit

Cost they dont want to be deported

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SirPizzaTheThird@reddit

Simple minds who enjoy hate

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lordofthedrones@reddit

I have seen both. Depends on where you are located, probably

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Chemical_Refuse_1030@reddit

From what I've seen, the Serbian diaspora because Serbia was bombed during the Democrat government. And more importantly, because they are poorly educated and mostly very primitive people.

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New-Interaction1893@reddit

Some people are masochists, you shouldn't judge them.

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WeakZookeepergame155@reddit

Because most of Balkankers have a very strong reaction to anything that even remotely smells of communism. Democrats pushing hard with leftist agenda has bitten them hard in the ass. Can you imagine some immigrants from places like Cuba or Venezuela voting for the party that talks about “social justice”? No, gracias

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Chary_@reddit

Kamala leaned right on every issue, actively attempted to ignore midleft issues cause she leaned right on those as well. Democrats in the US are not “pushing a leftist agenda”, if they had maybe they’d have actually won. Being centrist and attempting to pander to moderate republicans is what bit them in the ass

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yougottabkittenmern@reddit

Well Kamala was on record advocating for very progressive policies, quite vocally, so I’m not sure how you can say she was leaning right. When she was confronted on if she still held these views, she simply wouldn’t answer the question. So how are people supposed to know what she stands for?

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kotrogeor@reddit

Are they? From what I know, they mostly support democratic politicians, and there's strong greek lobbying in both the democrat and republican party.

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WorldClassChef@reddit

Im from Kosovo living in the U.S. and there are a lot of Kosovar Albanians alone who seem to support Trump, and a lot of Albanians in general too.

Balkaners in America overall have a hard on for that guy

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KopeMaxxer@reddit

You just knew once the balkanoids in NYC saw refugees living in luxury hotels while getting fat monthly pay they were going to be massively triggered

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Vargau@reddit

Totalitarian would be individuals that promise to fix everything wrong with what we perceive as being a problem, are always appealing to most of southern-eastern Europe because

our life is quite shit
meritocracy exists only in theory
we loath small time corruption, but we will take part in it if constraint by context
we have somewhat a low wage and less disposable income
we have a toxic relationship with our jobs
our toxic relationship with our job is making us have little free time
life’s too short to have time to debate social issues
most of us didn’t had a comprehensive education over independent thinking as kids due to how our education system works
we weren’t educated over how actually the political system works, how the political play always takes precedent over a Government manifesto and promises
we mostly don’t know how to properly debate, it always devolves into a screaming match
we’re not debating left or right politics, but rather who is the less corrupt individual or group
we refuse to understand that usually reforms in our current state, take 8 to 12 years to implement and usually they are hard pill to swallow so politicians do half measures that result in shit results
when you add all of the above, most people don’t have the energy to give a fuck about politics

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ridesharegai@reddit

Biden sold Erdogan new fighter jets

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CheezDustTurdFart@reddit

Trump loves Erdogan though.

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ridesharegai@reddit

No, he doesn't. Who told you that?

Trump is the one who initially banned him from buying fighter jets. Biden rolled over like a dog and sold him the Jets in order to get Sweden into NATO

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CheezDustTurdFart@reddit

Trump declares himself a “big fan” of Turkey’s Erdogan.

“I’m a big fan of the president, to tell you that, and I know that the ceasefire, while complicated is moving forward, and moving forward at a very rapid clip,” Mr. Trump said during his joint news conference with Erdogan in the White House’s East Room.

From Trump’s own words, “Key to our security collaboration is our trade — defense and military equipment program. American Foreign Military Sales to Turkey total many billions of dollars, and Turkey supplies component parts to many American defense programs.“

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ridesharegai@reddit

Well, Trump still sanctioned Erdogan in the end.

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CheezDustTurdFart@reddit

This is partially true, but do recall the inefficiency and confusion:

“But just two days after Graham and Van Hollen unveiled their bill, Mnuchin was at the White House briefing room podium touting the “very significant new sanctions authorities” that Trump had granted the Treasury Department. The President had not greenlighted any actual sanctions, however, and the announcement was viewed as little more than a verbal warning. By Sunday, Trump tweeted that he was working with Graham on a sanctions plan and that Treasury would take the lead on executing it. But the following morning, Graham said on Fox News that Congress would be the one imposing those sanctions — deepening the confusion sowed by Trump’s approach to the conflict in Syria… While Mnuchin and Trump have both threatened to retaliate economically against Turkey, neither have outlined specific criteria that would trigger the response.“

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CheezDustTurdFart@reddit

Here’s another from Reuters:

At the 2012 opening of Trump Towers in Istanbul, real estate mogul Donald Trump sang the praises of Tayyip Erdogan, telling a mostly Turkish audience that their leader, prime minister at the time, was “highly respected” around the world. “He’s a good man. He’s just representing you very well,” Trump said at the ceremony. Since becoming the U.S. president, Trump has openly complimented Erdogan and his combative ruling style, calling him “a friend” and “hell of a leader”.

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Salmacis81@reddit

Because regardless of where you come from or whether racial politics is even a thing in your country, as soon as you move to USA you start to notice that society is built along racial lines - here you are either "white" or you are a "person of color". I'm not going to say there are not some racial separatist types on the Republican side, there definitely are. However most Republicans and their supporters would rather see a more colorblind society, where everyone can just be looked at as "people" rather than put in some box, ironically closer to what Martin Luther King Jr wanted. Its Democrats/leftists who insist on dividing up everything into "whites" or "persons of color" and claiming that we must see race everywhere and in everything, and basing important picks for positions of power on the candidate's race rather than their qualifications. Democrats are arguably better on some things such as worker's rights and environmental issues, but it's their race-hustling that causes people of European descent to flock to Republicans.

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Ok_Significance2563@reddit

I think because Biden was bad and Kamala is much.. MUCH worse.

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stos313@reddit

Same reason why Ephialtes was pro Xerxes.

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Emotional-Ice-111@reddit

Minorities are conservative. Most of them are pro Trump. I believe even US Mexicans supported Trump back in 2016. Idk about now.

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Pmike9@reddit

You need to read my explanation a few more times my man

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

Most same Kamala supporters.

https://youtube.com/shorts/_F0RUAqv4s0?si=rqRyhuPpEtS5_aCc

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Pmike9@reddit

Because they are not american and therefore actually smart.

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BriarGreen00@reddit

Gdp of your country snd your neighbors are showing how smart we all on Balkan are

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Whole-Expression618@reddit

Pretty sure Americans elected Trump, your comment does not make sense

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Pmike9@reddit

You are right, I meant that the ones who would consider voting democrat. I am grateful to the sane americans for putting a stop to the madness for now

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

Prepare to get downvoted to oblivion, this sub is full of woke Kamala supporters 😓

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Pmike9@reddit

Haha of course, like all of reddit. Its annoying that they are too stupid to understand they are stupid, but we still have to try and save them somehow, someday

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

They're already throwing a tantrum in this very comment section, they're hilarious, frankly.

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DerGemr4@reddit

Says a bulgarian...

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Divljak44@reddit

lesser evil?

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nickobrown@reddit

Because of his balkan views and typical balkan behavior 🤣

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Dramatic-Curve-1108@reddit

Based Greeks.

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saddinosour@reddit

God that’s embarrassing if true. But I mean the Greek American family I have I’m 99% sure wouldn’t vote for trump. They’re highly educated individuals that live in California.

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DerFilc@reddit

Nobody said his yet so I will (not Balkan): The (anti Trump) YouTuber Filmcow is of Greek origin and once talked about this on stream. When there was a wave of Greek immigrants in the US in the 20th century, they wanted to be accepted and assimilated quickly. This resulted in them being patriotic and there were even organizations founded to further develop this mindset. Something called like "greek patriots for america" or something like that. So by now it likely became a cultural heritage thing. Probably not the whole reason, but likely plays a role.

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