Mounting research shows that COVID-19 leaves its mark on the brain, including significant drops in IQ scores
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Geaniebeanie@reddit
I have long covid; I go through phases of memory loss, poor spelling, and feeling incredibly stupid because I can’t remember words and string a sentence together.
I feel dumber than a bag of hammers, and it comes and goes at random. Was not dumber than a bag of hammers before covid came along.
Feels bad, man.
Life-Breadfruit-3986@reddit
It's too bad there's no accountability for the people responsible for covid.
technitrevor@reddit
Yerba Mate green tea dispelled my brain fog. It took a month or so of drinking 16-24 oz a day though. I noticed the biggest change after the first day, so you'll know right away if it's helpful to you.
There is also ginger, ashwaganda, lion's mane, all supplements that help the brain.
also, I'm not a doctor and don't play one on tv, but there is very little risk to drinking tea or using spices.
laeiryn@reddit
green tea probably has lots of small-grade effects in a lot of tiny ways that are difficult to measure in a way that's statistically significant
however what we do know is its only risk is caffeine content, and unless you are VERY strict on caffeine intake, it's a very low proportion because there's no fermentation and tea naturally has a rather low caffeine content, so there's basically no real downside to enjoying it and hoping it does more than hydrate you!
BeardedGlass@reddit
Also, I heard that the caffeine in green tea is the "slow burn" type. It doesn't propel you like coffee, but more like a long-lasting feeling of alertness through the hours.
digdog303@reddit
from the l-theanine
BearBL@reddit
I used to hear ginko biloba or fish oils were good for this?
Yardithbey@reddit
COVID hit me hard and the effect on my brain hasn't gone away. I started taking ginko 2x day a good while back. It helps some. I noticed improvement pretty quickly, but I'm still a long way from where I was.
OTTER887@reddit
I recommend fish oil. Was surprised that it could have noticable short-term effects, but it seems to.
BeardedGlass@reddit
I had major POTS and palpitations, chest pains. Fish oil seems to have helped me and they're gone.
OTTER887@reddit
First off, I am happy to hear you have recovered!
I would love to credit fish oil 100%, but time probably helped a lot, too.
BeardedGlass@reddit
Oh true. My LC symptoms started in summer of 2020 when I got a mild infection.
I only began started taking supplements a year ago or so. And while time is such a major thing for healing, naturally, the timing of my symptoms going away makes me want to continue taking supplements lol
I also take magnesium glycinate and potassium.
OTTER887@reddit
OK...yeah I bet those helped for your symptoms too. Thanks for the reply, you have reminded me I need to take my fish oil today 😅
BeardedGlass@reddit
Is that the only one you take? What are the major ones that you think have been beneficial?
As of right now I'm still searching. Whenever I finish a bottle, I consider whether to buy it again or try a new one.
Fish oil, magnesium, potassium are my staple ones.
The one I'm deliberating and trying out for now are turmeric, zinc, green tea extract (EGCG), ashwaganda.
escapefromburlington@reddit
Yes those too
accountaccumulator@reddit
Green tea helps t-cell recovery so this makes sense. Also black tea and any other types of food that help t-cell growth are highly recommended.
BeardedGlass@reddit
I wonder if daily doses of green tea as part of the diet is one of the factors that helps Japanese people to be the longest living beings on Earth...
Creamofwheatski@reddit
Any brand recommendations?
technitrevor@reddit
https://a.co/d/cZsFH1A
Creamofwheatski@reddit
Nice, cheers.
technitrevor@reddit
I use a French press to steep my loose leaf teas
Mylaur@reddit
How did you discover this? It could merit further research.
accountaccumulator@reddit
There's lot of research on how to help t-cell recovery which is essential for fighting viruses in the body. Green tea is legit helping with this. https://www.wikihow.com/Build-Up-T%E2%80%90Cells-in-Your-Body
technitrevor@reddit
I am trying to cut back on soda, so yerba mate has more caffeine than black tea. Then my brain fog went away. I don't have sources to site for why it may be beneficial cognitively.
IsuzuTrooper@reddit
Yeah I misspell aboit a word per sentence now. Yes that was legit.
Geaniebeanie@reddit
Last year my husband and I finally buckled down and got new phones. We’d had the others for 6 plus years, and it was clearly time.
I thought to myself how great it would be, because for some reason, the keyboard/touch pad wasn’t working right and it was making a lot of typos and spelling errors.
Got the new phones… yeah. It wasn’t the phone keypad. ☹️
laeiryn@reddit
Anecdotal only so far but a LOT of the "long covid" symptoms I've heard reported involve the function of the Broca's area. Like, a lot a lot.
jahmoke@reddit
what's broca?
laeiryn@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broca%27s_area
Draken1870@reddit
Oooooh, that may explain some things.
I have had covid twice but would its my wife with long covid who has the full deal but I have noticed my typing is absolutely terrible nowadays. Like I couldn’t quite explain it but if that’s a thing then i now see partly where my bouts of covid have gone!
lumpykiaeatpopiah@reddit
Ffs. Been experiencing that alot myself. Except i know it wasn't it phone but smth changed in me :(
misk_i@reddit
If you guys took the shot, that is why. Please start researching and understanding this.
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The-Neat-Meat@reddit
Have experienced this as well, less on the level of not knowing how to spell a word but more a decline in the fine motor functions needed to avoid constant ham handed typos.
BojackIsABadShow@reddit
I mean typos happen....the "I" is right next to the "u". Unless you actually thought the word with no "I" sound had an "I" in it.
OTTER887@reddit
I used to be SO GOOD at spelling... 😭
BitchfulThinking@reddit
I have long covid, but already had ADHD and migraines, so the cognitive issues are familiar... Just worse now and the coping mechanisms and medications don't work.
I also became wildly allergic to many foods, can't tolerate heat, lost a substantial amount of weight and muscle, can't sleep but always feel exhausted, and migraines, vertigo, and panic attacks are common occurrences now. No treatment or cure. Doctors and nurses (and your family and friends) just gaslight you.
I feel bad for the kids and young people who will be living the same hell because their parents and our shit society forced BAU on them.
SpongederpSquarefap@reddit
Shit this describes sort of what I'm suffering from - I have absolutely no short term memory and I'd be a failure at work if everything wasn't written down
I forget what I'm talking about mid sentence sometimes - it's like my brain has pot holes and my thoughts are getting stuck in them
OTTER887@reddit
Someone else suggested drinking a lot of green tea, and that you would notice improvements the next day.
Superfluous_GGG@reddit
I recently discovered I have ADHD (concerns about long covid got me looking) so been throwing the kitchen sink at the problem. Went out and bought a whole stack of various brain pills - Omegas, vit D, some weird mushroom thing called lions mane, some pills crammed with ginseng and all that crap. Tbf, I think it's made a difference. But then, could just be the amphetamine lol.
Tasty-Ad739@reddit
I would also try taking one supplement at a time to try and isolate what helps and what doesn’t.
principessa1180@reddit
Video gaming has helped me with brain fog.
Superfluous_GGG@reddit
Gaming's also irresistible nectar for ADHD, lol. But yeah, my ability to spot incoming 360 noscopes has never been sharper
principessa1180@reddit
I was diagnosed with ADHD prior to long COVID. I'm diagnosed with that and autism. I wonder if that's why I got long COVID? My body was susceptible to it.
leagueofcipher@reddit
You should move to make behavioral changes and environmental changes that help functioning and alleviate symptom related stressors where possible. There’s evidence that stimulants only show full effect for around 1 year in all participants of the study, with a return to baseline at the 3 year mark for all participants (some returned to baseline sooner, but all had benefits up to the 1 year marker).
Superfluous_GGG@reddit
Didn't appreciate there was a timeline on the efficacy - useful to know, thank you. And yes, that's very much the plan. There's a lot I feel needs addressing - the whole process has been cognitively turbulent.
The_Realist01@reddit
Try magnesium before you go to bed. Stuff is incredible. Take it 3-4x a week.
Superfluous_GGG@reddit
Already in the stack ;)
SpongederpSquarefap@reddit
I'll give it a try
HuskerYT@reddit
I have this but it started before covid. I have not noticed any change better or wores after covid.
principessa1180@reddit
I've been dealing with long COVID since 2022. The first months of it I felt like I was living underwater.
RoyalZeal@reddit
Struggling with this myself. It's absolutely brutal knowing I was sharp as a tack before covid only to struggle now with memory and executive function. Being AuDHD I'm used to a certain degree of fuckyness upstairs, but 3 rounds of covid (while masking, fuck everyone who told people it was ok to take them off in the first place) really did a hard number. Hope things go better for you mate. Solidarity.
Emotional_Bunch_799@reddit
To everyone suffering, to prevent or minimize another infection, wear your N95 respirator. Make sure it's well-fitted. I still haven't gotten it as far as I know. Public health is going downhill and you all got nothing to lose to protect yourselves. COVID not only drops IQs, but it can also compromise immunity and leave you open to other infections. Don't wait until it's too late. Protect yourselves.
The_Realist01@reddit
Even Fauci has started saying masks did nothing. Please rethink this. I know it’s difficult.
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ii_akinae_ii@reddit
totally agree, the public health decisions around masking have been abhorrent.
if you don't mind me asking, what mask are you using, and have you done a fit test?
bearbarebere@reddit
They’re about to get much, much worse!
Null-34@reddit
Ive been wondering why it had been harder to find words after covid
TheMegnificent1@reddit
Yes, 100%. I've always been pretty bright, very verbose, a fast learner, reasonably good memory, etc. Got COVID in April 2021, and I swear I lost brain cells from it. Harder time finding words, remembering things, focusing. It's gotten somewhat better over the last year or so, but I definitely feel stupider than I did originally. It's simultaneously distressing and interesting; on the one hand, nobody wants to lose brainpower, but on the other hand, how often do people get to experience two significantly different intelligence levels while still possessing the cognitive acuity to recognize, appreciate, and ponder the changes?
nigelxw@reddit
The one upside I can see is that, since it takes longer to remember things now, I have more time to catch stupid things before they leave my mouth.
Geaniebeanie@reddit
Couldn’t have said it better myself. No, seriously… not anymore lol.
the_elephant_stan@reddit
I’m sorry this is happening to you. What kinds of testing have you had done? Covid gave me cognitive issues as well and I had to demand test after test from my numerologist. I’m not on medicine that completely eliminates my language issues. Happy to talk more in messages if you or anyone is interested.
verdasuno@reddit
You are not alone.
I’ve had periods like this myself, whereas before I got COVID (thrice) I never experienced anything like this (except when stoned).
I also see it every day in people around me too - from cashiers at the store unable to count back change now, to service staff frequently getting orders wrong. It’s everywhere.
teamsaxon@reddit
I've had experiences like this too - but not knowing the person means one cannot attribute this phenomena to covid. It could be any other factor.
StartledBlackCat@reddit
Is the healthcare system still telling you that you're imagining it or making it up, like they used to say to long covid patients?
Geaniebeanie@reddit
I’m surprised that I actually have a good doctor that tested me for everything under the sun, then came up empty handed and said, “It’s long Covid.”
Butt_acorn@reddit
Lions mane mushroom helps me here. A few years helped a lot.
But I’m just dumber, and more frail now. Need more rest after less effort. Not excited to see what repeated infections do in the coming years.
bramblez@reddit
Buyer beware, a small but significant number of people experience devastating long term effects from trying Lion’s Mane, even just once. r/LionsManeRecovery
RestartTheSystem@reddit
I'm confused is this a synthetic substance ir extract people are taking? I've foraged and cooked lions mane mushrooms plenty of times and have never heard this.
overhanging_slab@reddit
Woah! Thank you so much for the warning.
laeiryn@reddit
My tachycardia is now SO much worse and so much more easily anxiety-triggered, to throw in something NOT brain-related.
escapefromburlington@reddit
Add bacopa & mucuna pruriens into the mix
funatical@reddit
I just had covid for the first time. I was expecting respiratory issues. Nope. Body pain and stupidity primarily. Been three weeks and still have periods of cluelessness.
I’m not a stupid man and this will sound contradictory to that statement, but it’s akin to alcohol poisoning and the recovery from that.
Millennial_on_laptop@reddit
When I had the virus (about a year ago) I had a minor runny nose, back pain so bad I couldn't sleep, and headaches.
Not what you expect at all.
laeiryn@reddit
If you're still experiencing body pain in a way that reminds you of poisoning aftereffects - have you been sufficiently hydrated since? Some of that gets very literally washed out of your cells.
The brain fog is terrifying, for sure. And it's not like SSRI withdrawal brain-zap fog where you feel wrong and realize you're dumb, you just come to standing in the kitchen making a weird noise and you don't remember the last thirty seconds at all. The short-term memory damage has been STAGGERING.
funatical@reddit
I am over hydrating but have to be careful as Im on lithium and too much can mess with my blood levels.
That said, the last few days the pain has stopped so I think I’m on the mend.
I appreciate your reply! The brain fog was awful. It was just as you described.
Sharp_Common_4837@reddit
Yeah I feel dumber too. Some things are still good but my autism and ADHD are worse. I didn't catch the virus until after the third vaccine.
SjalabaisWoWS@reddit
The worst thing is that these symptoms are quite common in post viral fatigue. Have you been through chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) assessment? I don't follow this too closely, but I've been wondering why long covid is treated as different from CFS.
Sincerely wishing for you to get better!
Weak-Walrus6239@reddit
ME/CFS has been minimized and ignored for decades. All you can do is severely alter your life to try to manage symptoms. There are no real treatments for it. I've had it for 10+ years and was told to do yoga and meditate (as someone who already did a lot of yoga before getting sick). Surprisingly, it didn't help.
SjalabaisWoWS@reddit
Pacing seems to be the only way to a better life. Have you tried LDN? Seems to be working for quite a few people.
Weak-Walrus6239@reddit
No, I haven't tried it yet. My biggest concern is that it might improve energy levels but if it doesn't address the underlying issues, it just leads to bigger crashes down the road. You might feel better for a bit but if your cells aren't metabolizing properly, the damage adds up, eventually leading to a crash. That's been a big problem over the years that took a long time to come to terms with and build my life around. The mechanistic studies that have come out in recent years have been helpful in understanding what's going on.
SjalabaisWoWS@reddit
If I can bother you to elaborate that thought a little bit, I'd appreciate that. My understanding is that CFS/ME turns the nervous system into some kind of "amplifier". A small signal - a conversation, a hike, a sound, a cold icecream - gets amplified to something bigger, which leads to a natural exhaustion response. Naltrexone is an overdose medicine, in a much larger dose than LDN, of course, and it works by slowing down the amplifying effect. Thus, it will also improve your body's reaction down the line. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Weak-Walrus6239@reddit
ME/CFS is a complex, multi-systemic illness. In addition to neurological involvement, it affects the immune system, cell metabolism, the musculoskeletal systen and the gastro system. Studies have shown that the mitochondria are unable to produce a regular amount of ATP, affecting the body's ability to undertake physical, mental or emotional exertion. In addition to not having enough energy, cells aren't able to clear out waste products like they should. Basically you don't have enough energy to do basic functions, and your body is poisoned when you try, leading to you getting sicker hours or days later (post-exertional malaise). On a scientific level, it's fascinating but it really, really sucks. Off the top of my head, David Putrino is doing some work that will hopefully lead to treatment.
laeiryn@reddit
Ah, but CFS is almost exclusively reserved for "whiny" women to whom doctors don't want to listen, whereas covid after-effects are taken seriously because so many people have such a clear link between the cause and the symptom. ...And many of those people are men. Medicine is sexist as FUCK.
cool_side_of_pillow@reddit
My dad had another bout of Covid 6 weeks ago and still has zero energy and no sense of smell or taste.
Mylaur@reddit
This is why I'm afraid of covid. My intelligence is my job. I can't get dumber...
McQuoll@reddit
Maybe everyone else will get dumber too and not notice?
If there’s anything to this it should show up when the WAIS is renormed. Countries that IQ test military recruits might notice it too.
Creamofwheatski@reddit
Have you been paying attention? Everyone getting dumber is a given at this point.
rainydays052020@reddit
Speed running to idiocracy
traveledhermit@reddit
Same. I’ve had it twice but started paxlovid right away and symptoms cleared up in about 8 hours. I haven’t seen any studies on it, but it’s gotta be better than rolling the dice on a bad case.
Creamofwheatski@reddit
My memory issues have been worse the past year but the severity fluctuates and I was blaming it on stress and lack of sleep. Never condidered covid could be the culprit, fuck. Fucking half of society could be mildly brain damaged right now and not even realize it.
laeiryn@reddit
I think I tanked a full 10-20, but I'd need a properly administered test first.
I also feel "body high" all the damn time from nothing, too. And I was once a GOD of no vertigo.
Gygax_the_Goat@reddit
Right there with you, unfortunately.
Key-Cranberry-1875@reddit
Does anybody in this thread wear n95’s where people work? Or are y’all going near workers maskless because you don’t want to look weird?
The_Sex_Pistils@reddit
[raises hand]
dovercliff@reddit
Horrifyingly some people work in places where that's now a firing offence; and because filing a suit over it is expensive and time-consuming, the tendency is to just give in.
CummingInTheNile@reddit (OP)
i wear a mask whenever i leave the house, idgaf what people say about it
Key-Cranberry-1875@reddit
Great that’s the right attitude. I barely see anybody wearing masks and leftists don’t do it either.
Ok-Mark417@reddit
I wouldn't say my IQ has dropped, but man my communication has gone down the gutter since 2020. It's always been meh, but now i struggle to talk with anyone except family and even then, i sometimes get awkward around them. I'm not sure what happened to me, maybe being inside too much during the pandemic and i never regained my communication skills back...?
McQuoll@reddit
What did IQ ever do for us?
zactbh@reddit
This is probably why I can't remember anything anymore.
Just-Giraffe6879@reddit
This was posted on /r/news and locked then removed with 20k karma
twotimefind@reddit
Yeah, totally sucks. People were showing support for one another. How dare they?
JaredGoffFelatio@reddit
Reddit is cooked
BambosticBoombazzler@reddit
What a fucking nightmare we're living in. Rich people controlling every bit of media we see.
twotimefind@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1gt3dkj/mounting_research_shows_that_covid19_leaves_its/
Terrible the thread was locked. There was a lot of support.People are suffering in silence. Absolutely, there should be long COVID support groups.
strongerplayer@reddit
I wonder if that's what got Trump elected
BodhiLV@reddit
Explains the election results
ribald_jester@reddit
what's a good brand tea that a regular person can drink that will help with covid brain? (not a tea person).
LeeKapusi@reddit
Well, that explains a lot.
river_tree_nut@reddit
This fits neatly with the zombie slow collapse theme.
antigop2020@reddit
Maybe this explains the 2024 election results
HansProleman@reddit
There are legitimate and understandable reasons for why people all over the world are voting as they do (the anti-incumbency/status quo trend), and the continued inability of mainstream "leftism" (centrism/social democracy lite/whatever) to acknowledge those reasons as legitimate and thus seriously engage with them (see e.g. Hilary Clinton's infamous "basket of deplorables" comment) is a huge problem.
There are many insane idiots in America, and the media spotlighting of them makes it feel like there are many more, but they obviously aren't 50% of the population.
I think this is why Bernie and Corbyn were relatively popular - they were able to do that. With legitimate, old school class conscious leftism which represented a challenge to the status quo. Bernie clearly understands this, and is still talking about it in wake of Trump's reelection.
laeiryn@reddit
Neoliberalism is a firmly right set of policies; it's just that the right-branded party is SO extreme that it's juxtaposed as the 'left' in contradiction. The US does not have any leftist or centrist parties (and definitely no 'social democratics').
The_Realist01@reddit
Sorry?
laeiryn@reddit
Yes, it is quite tragic.
However, I was clarifying for the international user that despite CALLING our two-party system left and right wing, it... isn't.
The_Realist01@reddit
Ah I understand now.
I agree, both parties majority wings are pro corporate, masquerading as caring for the different ideologies of the citizens; whereas both party minority wings are actually pro citizen (differing ideologies again).
HansProleman@reddit
That's true. Remiss of me, should have mentioned "neoliberal" first in that bracket!
LordTuranian@reddit
COVID-19 brain fog results. :P
myotheralt@reddit
Everyone just forgot how he handled it. "It's just a few cases, they will be gone by summer."
river_tree_nut@reddit
33% of Americans forgot
32% def did not
myotheralt@reddit
And 34% did not care.
pajamakitten@reddit
No, that was politics. We saw the same in the UK with the 2010 election and the Brexit referendum, both of which happened before COVID. We also booted the Tories out four years after COVID appeared. It might be convenient to say people are dumber now but people have always had a short memory for politics.
river_tree_nut@reddit
iirc the powers that be swaying public opinion hit the UK pretty hard in the run up the brexit. Along with ties to Cambridge Analytica where you can pinpoint the weaponization of social media
rainydays052020@reddit
Even shorter memories now though
Gygax_the_Goat@reddit
You won ths internet with that one 😆👍
CummingInTheNile@reddit (OP)
anecdotally, i have a friend whose dad worked in drug production as a chemist (and was an MD before that) whose been pushing this since 2021
Gal_Monday@reddit
There was a study people cited for that but it was a misunderstanding of the study. I can't completely remember the details but it was something about how they bred each generation to be more susceptible and after a certain number of generations they all died or something like that. But people are always running the numbers on "if you have an X percent chance of getting long COVID after 1 infection, and if everyone gets 1 infection per year, how long until everyone in the world has long COVID?"
Taqueria_Style@reddit
Why am I picturing Wilford Brimley in Antarctica looking at an IBM 8086 screen?
pseudohim@reddit
Dr. Blair: I don't know who to trust.
MacReady: [swallows, sighs] I know what you mean, Blair. Trust's a tough thing to come by these days. Tell you what - why don't you just trust in the Lord?
Not_A_Creative_Color@reddit
I'm up to at least 5, maybe 6 different times of having it
dumnezero@reddit
I've been saying this for a few years, half jokingly. It's a slowly unfolding zombie pandemic. The people who focus just on mortality do not grasp how bad this is.
The only real question for me is how many infections until kids are deeply disabled? Because it's probably most kids getting infections now.
Aggravating-Scene548@reddit
Why do you think lots of kids are getting it? In which area, just curious thanks
laeiryn@reddit
Social and emotional growth seem to be severely stunted, too. Seeing regression in teen children to toddler-like behavior.
dumnezero@reddit
There are several pulses of SARS-CoV-2 per year and kids are superspreaders who constantly exchange viruses in school-like environments. There is very little effort to prevent this.
The lack of testing/monitoring doesn't mean that it's not there, there's basically no effort in stopping it, so it continues.
Formal_Contact_5177@reddit
Good reason to stay current on Covid-19 vaccinations. Vaccination helps prevent the transmission of the virus, and if the virus manages to still be transmitted to someone who's vaccinated, the person won't get nearly as sick as someone who hasn't kept current with vaccinations.
lanternlake@reddit
Masks and air filtration help more for preventing transmission than vaccinations.
Vaccines are excellent for preventing death and serious consequences of a COVID infection (remember when people were being ventilated?) The sad fact is that the current vaccines are already behind on combatting the current strains going around.
dumnezero@reddit
Vaccination is great, but only helps with transmission for a few months if there isn't a very different variant around the corner. It's certainly not enough to stop the biological mayhem. Schools, individually, can start to do air filtration and UV sterilization, but they have to want it and they need $$$$$ for that; and masks, of course.
Somebody37721@reddit
Combine that with natural born conservative idiocy and zombies don't seem that stupid.
Positronic_Matrix@reddit
Instead of walking around saying “brains” like in the movies, they instead say “maga”.
merrimoth@reddit
Both times I had COVID, mentally it was like I'd had a concussion. I definitely noticed a decline in decision making / planning skills for a long while afterwards, along with worsened anxiety. Main issue I had was struggling to make key decisions, it felt like my brain would just freeze up, and I couldn't think rationally. I never suffered anything like that before gettin covid, so guessing it could've been long covid. It improved to a degree, although now I'm just more prone to making bad decisions in general which is a pain.
mad0line@reddit
This would explain a lot RE current state of the world
Mission-Notice7820@reddit
People laughed at me for getting boosters every 3 months. People still laugh at me for masking.
I'd say "fuck 'em" but unfortunately we're all going down together on this ship anyway.
KernunQc7@reddit
Cognitive damage prevents people from realising they have cognitive damage.
Joe-Bidens-Icecream@reddit
Not true, I’ve had Covid twice and noticed I’ve had a sharp decline in memory in the past year since, it’s been concerning me for a while.
m00z9@reddit
Living in delusion also makes it near-impossible to recognize delusion.
Each human lives in delusion (Bias); there is no perception-thought free of Bias.
Joe-Bidens-Icecream@reddit
I’ve had Covid twice, once in mid 2022, and again in Hawaii back in January of this year, I’m an otherwise healthy 23 year old and in the past 6 months to a year I’ve noticed a steady and inexplicable decline in memory, sometimes I’ll just be talking to someone and suddenly lose my train of thought or I’ll forget someone’s name who I should know and work with and interact with every day it’s happened on four separate occasions, I’ve had brain scans done for other reasons and a through mental assessment and there has been no identified reasons for this or abnormalities so perhaps this could be an explanation, I wonder if the 3-9 points is cumulative depending on number of infections.
Draskinn@reddit
As someone who works in the casino industry, this really has me spooked. Sick customer hacking up a lung on the regular is just a part of the job.
It's not like working the counter at a retail shop where a sick customer is there and gone in a minute or two. These sick fuckers will sit at a table for hours. You can't escape. Everyone I work with has had covid multiple times at this point... and it's never going away.
I spent the first 20 years of my career worrying that second-hand smoke was gonna give me cancer. Now I get to spend the next 20 worrying covid exposure is gonna melt my fucking brain!
I_Smell_A_Rat666@reddit
I’ve never tested positive for Covid or been told I’ve had Covid in the past, but a lot of these long-covid symptoms remind me of my symptoms during and after depressive episodes, as I have Major Depressive Disorder. Ketamine therapy was helping not only lifting my depression but recovering brain function. I don’t have brain fog or have trouble finding words anymore, for example.
Sure enough, there is some evidence for treating long covid with ketamine therapy. I would definitely go the legal route on this one; it’s covered by some insurance plans also.
jackparadise1@reddit
What about the mini bouts of COVID caused by the vaccines?
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KarlosMacronius@reddit
It's likely to be the live virus that causes the brain issues.
As the vaccine doesn't have a live virus in it it won't have the same effect.
You get 'covid' symptoms from the vaccine, but none of those are actually unique to covid, they are the bodies standard response to most respiratory infections.
jackparadise1@reddit
Thanks. Small favors. No long COVID yet, but the two bouts I had weren’t much fun. Already suffering brain fog from a tick disease.
fryedmonkey@reddit
I only had covid once in 2021 but never have felt any long term effects.
PedalBoard78@reddit
Explains the aggression and abandonment of higher reasoning, lately.
KingZiptie@reddit
I am literally the only person I know (including my own family which I have to just respectfully disagree with) who still avoids crowded places whenever I can.
The only exception really is at my college- you know with educated adults and educating adults; I am usually either the only one, or one of 2-3 others who still wear a mask (an N95 and a surgical- the latter to obscure the N95 so I don't get as many dirty looks and laughs). People do periodically nudge their friends, point and then collectively laugh at me. At a college. I can understand if you don't want to... but why be an asshole about it?
For what its worth, I have my head up, my shoulders back and chest out- fuck you all... I'm not going to feel like an idiot for wearing a mask. Every time I pass someone wearing a mask at school the same thing happens- eye contact is made and a nod follows.
"Im not fucking crazy." And yet somehow the plurality of literally everyone hypernormalizing makes the thought creep into your head that maybe you are crazy. Human social nature is a powerful thing for better and for worse.
10390@reddit
Thanks for masking. You are very much not crazy. You’re just ahead of the curve.
I’m usually the only one in an N95. Feel like Cassandra half the time but I don’t really mind the disrespectful looks because I also feel like a PSA with feet.
sushisection@reddit
covid causes a distinct brain fog. clear evidence of contact with the brain
HappyShoop@reddit
soooooo…. whaddya think? it finally time for yall to buck up and slap some masks on???
CummingInTheNile@reddit (OP)
yall stopped wearing masks?
mastermind_loco@reddit
How do we know it's covid and not everything else, i.e., social media and rampant phone use
eoz@reddit
We actually had social media and mobile phones already before 2020
johnnygobbs1@reddit
Is there any studies that show uhhh social media like Reddit etc lowering IQ? Isn’t social media the same as like reading sorta?
RaggySparra@reddit
"Social media" is such a broad bucket though - are you sitting and reading paragraphs or discussions, or are you scrolling funny videos? Different inputs.
johnnygobbs1@reddit
K but does doom scrolling and watching cat vids lower Iq? Any studies?
Meowweredoomed@reddit
It is, but lack of blood flow to the brain is lack of blood flow to the brain. Neurological damage is neurological damage.
mastermind_loco@reddit
Dang. Can I recover? I've had covid like 4 times and I can barely remember my own name.
megathong1@reddit
You can’t, but you can prevent further damage by avoiding more covid infections. N95 in all shared closed spaces.
gargar7@reddit
Your name is now Bob. You do what I tell you.
In all seriousness, you might try something like psilocybin; it increases brain plasticity and might allow you to remap/rewire around damaged portions of your brain.
cancercannibal@reddit
Correlation vs causation, essentially. Social media and rampant phone use correlate with this stuff because they became more prominent as people isolated for quarantine during the earlier years of the pandemic. COVID infection, however, has been shown to be very likely causative. We know it's COVID because we have people who were doing well mentally despite social media and rampant phone use, suddenly experience cognitive decline after infection, even after quarantine has ended.
It's also a sudden and sharp decline. Social media and rampant phone use, their effects on cognition are subtle and build up over time. Well-informed people with long COVID know something has changed. It's not a "general trend downward in the population," it's "these particular people and their loved ones are suddenly unable to function."
itsatoe@reddit
Just curious... does that study differentiate between people who did and did not get any particular vaccine?
Bman409@reddit
Thos happened to me.. I have never been as mentally sharp after covid as I was prior. I absolutely believe that
Illustrious-Flow-441@reddit
Avoided it until last winter with no vac. Have seen no drip if in cognatitation finction
broniesnstuff@reddit
The great dumbening. The recent election makes so much more sense.
CummingInTheNile@reddit (OP)
Submission statement: New research published in the New England Journal of Medicine indicates that COVID infection can cause a permanent decrease in IQ and cognitive ability, between 3-9 points dependent on the severity of the infection. Coupled with rising CO2 levels negatively impacting human cognitive function, we're witnessing a historic decrease in average human intelligence, that will likely only hasten the society towards a great collapse.
ComprehensiveBack285@reddit
That probably explains why I’ve been feeling like my mind is always so slow and foggy. The best way I can describe this is seeing the world in 45 hz display when you’re used to seeing it in 120 hz; or going to a normal keyboard when you’ve been typing with a mechanical keyboard; or listening to a $2 earbuds when you’ve been used to listening with a Sennheiser HD 600. I always doze off and have trouble focusing when I used to be able to study for hours without an issue. I wouldn’t put it all of the blame into COVID for that, (maybe I’m just not as enthusiastic about school and future like I used to be) but even on things I’m motivated about, my overall experience has changed. It’s hard to put a finger on it and sleep, caffeine, supplements haven’t helped. I don’t know what to do to get myself back to where I was
jedrider@reddit
Stimulant meds help me a bit to get my neurons firing again.
Aggravating-Scene548@reddit
Which ones are good?
jedrider@reddit
There are many, and there are possibly differences among them, too, but here is my very short list: Ritalin was practically the first widely used stimulant drug and it works, but I take Focalin Xr and it is just better and easier to correctly dose. Both are available as generics. The key is that one doesn't need much of a dose to make a difference if one is suffering from cognitive issues from long covid or chronic fatigue, so I suggest sub-dosing, breaking up the capsule or pill.
laeiryn@reddit
Prescription meds that are highly controlled and require a psychiatrist to prescribe (As well as which might cause withdrawal symptoms when you suddenly lose access, see also: collapse) aren't really the most ideal solution for the average person, though.
jedrider@reddit
A neurologist can prescribe these meds, too, if one is experiencing cognitive issues.
laeiryn@reddit
People talk about the taste/olfactory damage after covid but not the hearing damage
ComprehensiveBack285@reddit
No you're right. I'm just explaining how it feels since I've had long covid. As others have mentioned, it's possible that it's possibly due to me aging but if it is, DAMN. My mind degraded so quickly in these past few years. There are many times where I couldn't find terms whenever I'm talking with my girlfriend. It's like you were talking to a 5 year old that couldn't explain to you what a space ship was.
First_manatee_614@reddit
Hyperbaric oxygen therapy helped me with brain fog
Yardithbey@reddit
Are the results permanent or do they taper off?
First_manatee_614@reddit
Feels permanent to me.
not26@reddit
Aging.
ShroudLeopard@reddit
This is the best description of this I've ever read. It's so hard explaining it to people.
RatherCritical@reddit
Even the mechanical keyboard part?
TBruns@reddit
Hmm. Did you get vaccinated as well?
rainydays052020@reddit
I thought the research about infections dropping IQ became known in 2021-22…? most people missed or ignored it though. ☹️
pajamakitten@reddit
Because the media does not mention it. If you do not keep up to date with research then it will pass you buy.
rainydays052020@reddit
I mean when SNL makes a sketch about the brain damage, it should be common knowledge: https://youtu.be/NkJvlLAuJcE?feature=shared
pajamakitten@reddit
Not all of us are yanks, mate. Not everyone watches SNL too.
rainydays052020@reddit
I understand that but a comedy show with that much clout doing a skit on it impkies that it was once widely known.
(Also I’m not a ‘yank’ thank you very much)
pajamakitten@reddit
OK, so one show does one skit on it. That is signal in the noise and it still barely reaches people. SNL does hundreds or thousands of skits a year, most viewers would be lucky to recall five of those at the end of the year. Unless people are reading about it regularly or it discussed on popular shows seen by most of the world, it is easy to not come across such information at all. This is an even bigger issue when so many people consume media through their echo chamber.
CummingInTheNile@reddit (OP)
should be common sense tbh, COVID causes micro clotting, clots in brain blood supply=bad
rainydays052020@reddit
It’s definitely noticeable when out driving. This is the worst zombie apocalypse scenario because how do you fight back or fix it?!
dumnezero@reddit
Considering how many zombie movies the US has, Americans should be the best prepared to deal with it.
johnthomaslumsden@reddit
Nah we just have a lot of guns.
SjalabaisWoWS@reddit
👀
That's insane. More than two thirds of adult IQ tests range 85-115, averaging 100. So the points can basically be interpreted as percentages. Up to 9% is such a massive blow.
Lovefool1@reddit
I have had covid 7 times, and am experiencing neuropathy / nerve pain as a long covid symptom, but I haven’t noticed any cognitive effects.
Idk if I’m lucky or just losing faculty in a way that I don’t realize, but it is what it is.
The hope is that I’m getting dumber without being aware, as that seems the gentlest way down the road. Idk.
GodofPizza@reddit
Seven? SEVEN?! That’s crazy. Are you…going to change anything so you don’t keep catching it?
Lovefool1@reddit
I have been strict with hand washing, touching my face, and wearing PPE when I go out for years.
I have had a chronic immune condition since childhood.
I work in entertainment and can’t wear my mask while performing.
I’ve gotten it from gigs where none of the other people I was working with caught it, so I think I just have relatively dog shit immune capacity.
It is what it is. I gig less these days but don’t have a way to pay my bills working from home full time.
mushroomsarefriends@reddit
>Idk if I’m lucky or just losing faculty in a way that I don’t realize, but it is what it is.
When they experimentally infected young people, they found silent cognitive damage, that is, they didn't notice themselves they had grown dumber.
There's all sorts of stuff you can do to treat it.
what_did_you_forget@reddit
"Experimentally infected" .. really? That's some complot framing right there
Babad0nks@reddit
No, this happened. It is unethical science, but thanks to the Overton window shifting to the right and normalization of fascist ideology - flies under the radar, goes mostly under-criticised:
"With these caveats in mind, we were surprised and puzzled by a recent study published in eClinical Medicine (a Lancet publication). It evaluated cognitive impairment following infection by the SARS-CoV-2 virus, the etiologic agent of COVID-19. This was not a clinical trial designed to test the safety and efficacy of a new treatment, drug, or vaccine. Nor was it an observational cohort of past illness, nor a prospective study that monitored population segments over time.
Rather, the study involved what is called a virus “challenge”: 34 healthy, unvaccinated volunteers between the ages of 18 and 30 were studied, cognitively tested to provide baseline levels of 11 cognitive tasks, and then inoculated with the SARS-CoV-2 virus to determine whether they would contract COVID and if so, whether it would affect their cognitive abilities. Six volunteers “pre-emptively” received the anti-viral drug remdesivir (100mg IV for 5 days) “to mitigate risks of severe illness” (No information is given on how these six were chosen).
[...]
Not surprisingly, cognitive declines were detected compared to baseline measurements taken before the study began. But the study design did not allow for the determination of cause and effect—the effects could well have been due to the stress and disorder of the times, i.e., living through a pandemic: No dose-response calibration was performed either of viral load or disease severity, nor were statistical parameters followed to provide statistical significance of these results. Nor did the cognitive deficit study result in new interventions. Indeed, seemingly, none were tested.
Moreover, given that no official “control” group was part of the study, it is impossible to rule out other confounding variables.
Finally, the participants did not note any subjective cognitive limitations were noted by the participants, meaning that they weren’t even aware they were cognitively challenged, making it difficult to determine whether therapeutic interventions would be indicated or applied. (In other words, if an individual isn’t aware of a cognitive problem, it is likely that they would not seek treatment or medical intervention, even if one were available.)"
Here's the human challenge study in question :
Changes in memory and cognition during the SARS-CoV-2 human challenge study https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(24)00421-8/fulltext
rainydays052020@reddit
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(24)00421-8/fulltext
hiero_@reddit
I've said in the past that I feel like I am dumber than I used to be. I don't know if Covid itself had that effect on me, or if it was the result of quarantine and the stress of the pandemic, or maybe both, but I definitely feel so much dumber.
propita106@reddit
Memory issues. Definitely memory issues. Like the RAM is corrupted.
Yet perfectly USELESS info is there, like the ROM was protected.
markodochartaigh1@reddit
As a concrete way of evaluating my post-covid drop in mental acuity, I can give my performance on Wordle. I have done the puzzle every day for several years. Fifteen months ago I had a fairly bad case of covid (vaxxed, boosted, and with Asperger's my superpower is social distancing). I used to have no problem doing the puzzle in my head every day. Immediately after covid, and up until now, I have to use the form, one square at a time.
SjalabaisWoWS@reddit
I don't do Wordle, but is your performance measurable with a comparable metric? Like time or difficulty setting? This might be an amazing, accidental tool for research.
markodochartaigh1@reddit
There is no difficulty setting on Wordle, I just do the basic once a day puzzle. I don't really time myself either. I didn't track my time before I got covid so timing myself now would only yield subjective results.
RaggySparra@reddit
It's been fascinating where clusters of data have popped up - I know places like the smartwatch forums had early info because it was a group of people who routinely tracked sleep, heart rate, etc (and a range of fitness, so not just atheletes).
SjalabaisWoWS@reddit
As a sociologist, tapping all that data would keep me up at night. As someone concerned with privacy, I will definitely not sleep well on that either. :P
RaggySparra@reddit
Don't worry - this was people volunteering their info, not tracking from on high! But it meant rather than someone going "I feel like I'm just not sleeping lately", they could go "I used to average 8.2 hours a night, now it's down to 6.4", data rather than personal assessment.
jbond23@reddit
When do we start taking Covid seriously and making serious efforts to reduce it and end the pandemic?
Vax-Air-Space-Mask-Test-Isolate-Wash. And above all try not to get it and try not to spread it. If you think you're ill, go away and keep away from people. I don't want your plague.
The real key is that a high proportion of the illness in the western world now are airborne diseases spread via the respiratory system. Indoor air quality is the one big thing we can do everywhere. It's just an engineering problem that we can actually solve. Air filtration and far UVC sterilisation isn't hard. We just need the will to do it.
Formal_Contact_5177@reddit
A good argument for continuing to wear a mask in public. Along with Covid-19, masking-up can protect us from other airborne illnesses and pollutants.
buck746@reddit
It helps my pollen and dust allergies.
laeiryn@reddit
We don't. The time for that was nearly five years ago. The ships have sailed, returned, sailed again, and returned full of rats also infected with new variants.
Maleficent-main_777@reddit
Yeah but think of the shareholders /s
You're absolutely right btw. Thing is, demand for health infrastructure is not something that people demand by themselves. How many people do you know that live in trash infested mold buildings and seem to be fine with it? The cost for such renovations also is way too high for the average joe smoe to afford -- hell, buying property is a luxury these days, renovations are something for the ultra wealthy.
Where I live we have subsidized renovation schemes for homeowners to help out with this. Ultimately it's a concern of public health, so it makes sense to subsidize it.
Shiva_144@reddit
That‘s not really new, though. There were studies about this very early into the pandemic. People just didn‘t want to believe it, and at this point I don‘t think they ever will. It scares me because in my current job (receptionist), I can‘t wear a mask all the time since our boss doesn‘t want us to and it‘s generally not socially accepted anymore in Germany. Why are we vilifying masks, if they‘re just for protection? I don‘t get it, and it makes me angry that people are so selfish. I also don‘t understand why air purifiers aren‘t mandatory in public spaces, at least.
WetBlanketPod@reddit
I'm curious if this violates any personal health and safety laws in Germany?
I'd find a new job, if it were me. I've never been paid enough as a receptionist to risk brain damage daily.
Maybe Germany pays better though? ...and I hear you've got a "social safety net", so there may be options for you.
buck746@reddit
If people really hassle me for wearing a mask they usually stop when I say it helps with my indoor and outdoor allergies.
Szwejkowski@reddit
This has been suspected for some time. Can also cause permanent damage to the heart and lungs.
I still wear a mask in public indoor places and observe hand hygene. I don't see a time when I won't be doing these things, at the moment. It's a PITA and gets me a lot of sideeye, but the alternative is the sort of gambling I just don't want to do.
buck746@reddit
It’s a handy filter for people. The ones who treat you like your wierd are making it clear upfront that they are not worth your time, and clearly unable to mind their own damn business.
BadUncleBernie@reddit
This explains a lot.
HotShitBurrito@reddit
Just stacking reasons as to why I'm glad I've somehow never gotten it.
I didn't get sick during lockdown and every time I've been sick since quarantine lifted (roughly summer 2021 in my area) I got tested and it was negative.
I get my flu shot and COVID vaccine at the same time in September every year.
I've gotten a mild flu twice since '21. I have a propensity for strep and have gotten it five times.
My allergies have been a little worse every year.
Got food poisoning last year.
No COVID (knock on wood).
It's crazy how some people have gotten it so many times. There's a person down thread who's had it seven times. I have a friend who's an ED physician and I don't think she's even had it that many times.
Babad0nks@reddit
I'm too tired today to link all sources, as someone who keeps up with news and literature. But gentle reminder that a substantial amount of transmission is asymptomatic. If you are not masking, you likely have contracted COVID at least 1-2 times per year as a minimum.Asymptomatic doesn't necessarily reflect the severity of resulting damages, as humans can't perceive epithelial damages (think all vasculature & all organs). There was a study that demonstrated that people who suffered cognitive damages from mild COVID were not aware they were suffering cognitive issues.
Vaccines help your odds (severity & chance of long COVID), but won't substantially impact transmission and unfortunately wane fairly quickly. Only air filtration/wearing respirators are variant agnostic.
Most people will be unaware of cumulative damages until it's one infection too much. And even then, it may look like a heart attack, new onset headache disorders, precipitated prion diseases like Alzheimer's & parkinsons, stroke, kidney damage, diabetes, even high cholesterol - we are not collectively doing a great job of connecting these dots.
That's all without even touching the idea that it leaves us vulnerable to catching more opportunistic illnesses. We can connect the higher rates of tuberculosis to unmitigated COVID, for instance, since we know prior COVID infection can reactivate latent tuberculoses , another downstream effect.
We are fools to pretend the next century won't be defined by this. And our kids will be so angry when they realize what the adults in charge have decided for their futures.
saul2015@reddit
now that Trump is coming back I'm seeing liberals start to pay attention to the pandemic Biden "ended" and taking this stuff more seriously again
twoquarters@reddit
I don't think I misspell words as much but I notice I leave out words while typing.
And I used to be very quick on retrieving knowledge of things like names of actors in films but oh my that has taken a big hit.
ennoSaL@reddit
Me too!! I leave out words all the time now!! It’s actually pretty aggravating
Someones_Dream_Guy@reddit
Well, that's not fun. I struggle with math I used to know.
Busy-Support4047@reddit
Anecdotally, I have never been mentally worse. It feels like that Mitch and Webb skit about sherlock getting dementia, and having a brief moment of lucidity just long enough to realize how bad things have gotten.
Maybe it's a combination of covid, c02 levels, microplastics, age, injury and allergies, but I am dumb as fuck, and I can feel the difference even as it presses down on my ability to comprehend complexity at all. Point is still anecdotal, but I see nobody else faring better out there.
It's like we managed to make a real shit sandwich of stupidity, climate disaster, peak energy, and unpredictable dangerous technology, all converging on an extremely narrow point in time.
What was the one true guaranteed destroyer of civilizations again? Oh yeah- polycrisis.
laeiryn@reddit
see also: "systems collapse"
this is the end of the bronze age 2.0
_rihter@reddit
I feel the same; even 5 - 6 years ago, my mind was much better than today.
Lenovo_Driver@reddit
Explains why Conservative parties have done so well post COVID
The-Neat-Meat@reddit
Yeah after having it three times, I’m a VASTLY more dysfunctional person. Motivation, memory, creativity are all absolutely cooked, I basically cannot write music anymore and have trouble taking care of myself and doing basic shit. Have always been a depressive person, however SSRIs helped that greatly; after covid #2 and then especially #3 depressive episodes DRASTICALLY increased in frequency and severity, to a level I haven’t experienced since high school.
I’m 28 and I feel like I’m 55.
Queendevildog@reddit
And it effects younger brains more than we realize.
Mackinnon29E@reddit
*Affects, my condolences..
KidAntrim79@reddit
Damn, bro is cooked.
mushroomsarefriends@reddit
Yeah, that seems to be related to a more aggressive innate immune response. In the long run that innate immune response however seems absolutely necessary, as the virus evolves towards increased antibody resistance over time.
verge365@reddit
I’ve had Covid 4 times. I’ve had the vaccine 3 times.
I gave up meat and soft cheese and processed foods and white sugar after the first time.
After the second time I increased leafy greens.
After the third time I increased vitamin D3
After the fourth time I started taking vegan DHEA and CQ10. I feel sharper today than I did a few years ago.
I also exercise and drink extra filtered water. I believe the research is right. I felt a fog and it was freaking me out so I just started reading about brain care.
joycemano@reddit
Maybe another thing that could help you is starting to wear a mask again. I dunno, just a thought
verge365@reddit
I do in large crowds. I used to be one of those people “it can’t happen to me” and it did. It’s maddening. I learned a lot from the Covid long haulers subreddit. I don’t have long covid. They have a ton of studies listed in that group too.
spamzauberer@reddit
The dosage needed for DHEA to show effects can damage your liver in the long run.
verge365@reddit
Good thing I don’t take high doses.
I did a quick search and found an article before I decided to take it. I’m over 50, fighting cfs like symptoms and it just seemed the way to go.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25022952/
WetBlanketPod@reddit
Thanks for sharing the reference! Interesting resource.
HappyHovercraft7031@reddit
Respectfully, this study published in The Lancet showed that people were unaware of the cognitive deficits their Covid infection caused.
dumnezero@reddit
The unexamined life is not...
redditmodsarefuckers@reddit
Blame covid on voters voting for Trump and then we can blame covid for the downfall of man?
Gyirin@reddit
I think those people would have voted Trump with or without covid.
redditmodsarefuckers@reddit
There’s the swing voters tho
Meowweredoomed@reddit
You can blame a decline in reading too, I think.
dumnezero@reddit
Well, well, looks like we have a reader over here!
KernunQc7@reddit
People would have voted for Trump regardless. It was the Dems election to lose ( which they did ), should have fielded a more competent candidate, sooner.
Middle_Manager_Karen@reddit
Dems, got it once fool on us. GOP got it 4-5 times fool on all of us
Omelete_du_fromage@reddit
Did people here actually read the study? They’re attributing any negative health changes experienced by the individuals to COVID… I mean they have tinnitus on there. Look at figure 3. Over 12 month spans people are going to experience health changes, especially when it’s being measured in 1-100 people out of a thousand. Just because less than 10% of people had health difficulties up to 12 months after an infection does not mean it was because of the Covid.
I truly believe long covid is a thing. I have had an autoimmune disease for 15 years that got significantly worse after a round of Covid. But this study seems heavily flawed and like one big “correlation IS causation” leap.
clangan524@reddit
I've definitely felt dumber since getting original flavor COVID in July 2020. I've hard a harder time thinking and forming sentences. In the time since, I've bounced back quite a bit but I sometimes lament at what could have been without getting it.
LordTuranian@reddit
I read somewhere that COVID-19 put a lot of people in this permanent brain fog.
rainydays052020@reddit
Yeah it also damages the immune system making people more susceptible to other illnesses.
brunus76@reddit
Can confirm from personal experience and it’s not good.
Hamza_stan@reddit
Between COVID and the surge of TikTok, the 2020 pandemic truly took root in the brains of society (and will have long lasting effects on future generations). Funnily enough, both things came from China.
dumnezero@reddit
The fact that you're singling out TikTok is the problem.
pajamakitten@reddit
The short video format is definitely an issue though. Young people are having their attention spans wrecked by it.
WetBlanketPod@reddit
Brain damage also impacts attention span though.
goochstein@reddit
when I younger I used to think it would be convenient if my over active brain would slow down a bit, was not being literal.
BTRCguy@reddit
Has anyone checked the methodology for this study and confirmed that the effect isn't instead linked to conservative political beliefs? Because that seems to be leaving an IQ-dropping mark on a lot of people's brains as well.
Taqueria_Style@reddit
We will have artificial intelligence! Because all of us will be stupider than a pong machine! Yay!
SUFFERENT@reddit
apparently COVID just debuffs you until you're useless, I'd rather die
Ferrus90@reddit
That's a really good way of describing how it feels
castlite@reddit
Yeah it definitely made me stupider.
InternationalBand494@reddit
Well that explains the election
stonecats@reddit
a conclusion without evidence.
saying post covids experience brain fog without discussion on non covids expeirnce similar brain fog then saying after 4 years they can find no physiological evidence
as to what is the actual change in the brain.
this is all nonsnese... someone gierring statistics for clickbait.
McQuoll@reddit
I wonder which sub tests are hit hardest?
Maj0r-DeCoverley@reddit
Nah, it can't right be. Correct would widespread be signs if such a there was thing
rainydays052020@reddit
There has been a huge spike in strokes in younger patients though. https://www.heart.org/en/news/2024/10/09/covid-19-may-increase-heart-attack-and-stroke-risk-for-years
SolidStranger13@reddit
Anecdotally, I know 2 people under 30 who have had major strokes since 2021
person_nr_5@reddit
Isn't this true for a lot of other common infection, that we are expirencing for centuries,too? Is covid especially bad with post-effects? My guess would be is that if somebody got hit hard with covid or other infection, they have much more effects on later life, and covid hit a lot of people hard compared to other infections.
SolidStranger13@reddit
wear an N95 in public, get novavax, avoid repeat infections
Mackinnon29E@reddit
That explains the Trump results.
Ezzeze@reddit
I’ve been taking an “I don’t have to be faster than the bear” approach to COVID since 2020.
SpaceCadetUltra@reddit
I just tried to google search in the comment section….
dumnezero@reddit
This could be a browser feature, but it seems annoying. You would need a shortcut key or separate button to send in the query to a service. Of course, it would limit the user experience in many sites, so it would have to be made optional.
jbond23@reddit
Anecdotally, this leads to more risk taking, more anger, more road rage and more stupid driving.
But then I'm writing from the UK and Brexit plus 14 years of Tory misrule have also led to this. Combined with huge amounts of entitlement among giant SUV drivers.
fencerman@reddit
Well that explains the election.
misk_i@reddit
IT IS THE VACCINE. Stop removing my comments, you brain-dead fucks. Did you think it was still 2021 and censorship central?
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misk_i@reddit
It's the vaccine.
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patchyhair@reddit
careful, you'll get torn apart for saying that here
misk_i@reddit
I know, but I just can't watch this go by without saying it.
juneseyeball@reddit
This is depressing
rockyharbor@reddit
Explains Trump's success
nope6_02210476e23@reddit
https://www.mdpi.com/2218-273X/12/9/1253
This is probably why, prion like conformer in the S1 domain of the spike protein, viral wild type strains descended from the original and in the monomeric mRNA coded protein used for the subunit mRNA vaccine.
Prion disease isn't curable, pretty concerning.
GoblinAirStrike_311@reddit
So… the vaccine ..?
Dumber with it? Or… ?
(Damned if you do…)
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CummingInTheNile@reddit (OP)
safer with it, get vaccinated unless advised otherwise by medical professionals
tootmyCanute@reddit
I've had it every year since 2020 🫠
IM_NOT_BALD_YET@reddit
This explains a lot. I know two people who proudly talk about “beating COVID a few times a year now”. Dumbest assholes I know, and super different personalities, cognition, etc. from even a couple of years ago.
Collapsosaur@reddit
There can be a good chance to deceive the goons that they are running the show, like giving an old person a large toy phone to keep them occupied until nature takes its course.
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