Logbook authenticity question

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Currently, I am participating in a two week Time building/time share program to build 100 hours

I’m flying around 4 to 5 hours a day and accumulating a lot of hours in a short amount of time

I’m worried later on that when my logbook gets looked at by a potential employer or a DPE on a check ride they will suspect that I faked entries due to me accumulating so many hours so quickly

I have never flown so many hours before in one sitting only flight lessons before so these hours will stick out

I’m doing everything as honestly as possible logging the appropriate PIC time where I was the sole manipulator of the controls as well as logging exactly what the Hobbs says at the end of each flight

What are some ways to put my mind at ease? Is there any kind of document or evidence that will prove that I flew? I’m guessing they can look up the tail number to see but what else can I have to prove that I’m not making things up?

Also correct me if I’m wrong on this, but I’m not allowed to log more cross-country time than I have PIC time right?

As in I’m only able to log cross-country time where I was the sole manipulator [PIC] of the controls correct? (Unless you are SIC, acting as a safety pilot, or receiving dual instruction)

Thanks for the help in advance

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Currently, I am participating in a two week Time building/time share program to build 100 hours

I’m flying around 4 to 5 hours a day and accumulating a lot of hours in a short amount of time

I’m worried later on that when my logbook gets looked at by a potential employer or a DPE on a check ride they will suspect that I faked entries due to me accumulating so many hours so quickly

I have never flown so many hours before in one sitting only flight lessons before so these hours will stick out

Also correct me if I’m wrong on this, but I’m not allowed to log more cross-country time than I have PIC time right?

As in I’m only able to log cross-country time where I was the sole manipulator [PIC] of the controls correct? (Unless you are SIC, acting as a safety pilot, or receiving dual instruction)

Thanks for the help in advance

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WizardSlap@reddit

When I was time building I would fly 5-11 hours a day everyday the weather allowed. Three Checkrides later and a DPE has never mentioned it.

Swimming_Way_7372@reddit

The DPE should be able to tell the validity of your logbook by the way you fly the plane. If you make a bunch of phony time up you will most certainly be shitty at flying.

Aerodynamic_Soda_Can@reddit

Can confirm. Flown with a couple guys who supposedly had 1300+ hours. Couldn't fly straight to save their life and landed about like me presolo students though. All i can say is good luck when they get to sims lol.

GaryMooreAustin@reddit

not a problem - don't worry about it

ValeoRex@reddit

I think I finished Instrument at about 120 hrs, had to get to 250 for commercial. I had a plane and nothing else to do so I flew 4 to 5 days a week, minimum of 5 hours per day. Took my commercial check at 253 hrs and the only thing the DPE said when he looked at my logbook was “wow, you’ve really been putting the hours in, this should go pretty easy.”

The more you fly routinely, the better you get. I imagine most examiners can tell before you even leave the ground if a student padded their logbook.

pilotlad21@reddit

I have done 2 ~16 hour trips each within a 24 hour period, never got questioned on it at my ~4 airline logbook reviews (I did however split them into a dual given and PM row to look less suspicious)

TiddieBuoi69420@reddit

Difference is, you were a regional pilot. This guy’s flying a 150 out of Billy and Becky’s Backyard Shack Flight Club.

Mispelled-This@reddit

You won’t be the first time builder they see, and unless they have a very specific reason (like the DPE who saw his own tail number in someone else’s logbook), they’re not going to question it.

changgerz@reddit

Plenty of people out there flying more than 4-5 hours a day, why would they think twice about you doing it?

StatisticianHot5035@reddit

Exactly. I know several CFIs who hit 8 hour days regularly.

Then there’s me, who would occasionally hit 6 hours of dual given in a day if I was lucky. (I took way too long to build my time and am ready to leave👍🏻)

DanThePilot_Man@reddit

The rare 8 hour DG day absolutely kills me. Without fail all of the students are pre solo when it happens.

TxAggieMike@reddit

If this time build is costing money, keep the receipts. That would provide some authenticity to the hours.

BeeDubba@reddit

Lots of people fly that much, so it's not that unusual.

You mentioned logging XC time. Just so you know, you can't log XC time while safety pilot.

https://www.faa.gov/media/14521

vtjohnhurt@reddit

Keep GPS flight logs of all of your flights, take pictures. There are some apps that let you keep the logs+pictures in a 'scrapbook'. You can get a free logger app for your phone.

There's also tamperproof https://www.fai.org/page/igc-approved-flight-recorders that prevents faking the logs. There are logbook apps that archive the log files and photos.

CaravanPirate@reddit

Safety pilots can’t log cross country.

For whoever downvoted me, here is the legal interpretation

skywagonman@reddit

I helped some friends out with multi engine time building. Some days we flew a few hours every day, some days we flew 5 - 7 hour days. And then not too long ago there were a couple days that we flew 12 hour days back to back.

I have a feeling that I’ll be presenting ADS-B data with my logbooks.

Jaimebgdb@reddit

Dude, don't worry. It's called time building for a reason. Everybody in this industry knows this is what you do when you need to fly a lot in a short amount of time. If you honestly flew those hours then there's no way that someone else could prove that you didn't, right? ;) So relax.

If you worry so much get yourself, once you're done with the time building, a one page certificate from the organisation under which you're doing that programme stating the hours you've flown, the dates of beginning and end, the registration and so on. I don't anybody will need it but you can keep it just in case.

TemporaryAmbassador1@reddit

Overthinking it. Don’t.

You’ll be fine. If you already have CPL, you should get CFI instead of just burning holes. If you have CFI you should instruct instead or find a way to be paid to fly. If you do no paid flying all the way to ATP mins it will stick out.