What is the state of the UK? US/UK citizen here.
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What is the state of the UK? US/UK citizen here.
I would secretly humor myself that I would move my family to the UK if the Republicans got back into power while in their current deranged state. I just never thought it would become a reality. I have been waiting for November 6th to finally have a sigh of relief.
My daughter had a brain tumor removed as a child. If the government removes the preexisting conditions protections in our ACA, insuring her would become difficult. Also, my wife and kids are Jewish (not practicing). Currently, Jewish people are not the focus of singling out, but there is a Naziesque / Christian Nationalism bend to what’s going on here. With more propaganda and leaning into hate, I can imagine a scenario where that would change.
My wife and children (15 and 12) are only US citizens. I’m self-employed w/ clients from all over, working remotely, but my wife works in commercial real estate and a move to the UK would be a setback for her career. We live in an extremely high-cost-of-living area of Southern California ($150k would be scrapping by). Excluding the greater London area, the costs in the UK seem quite reasonable, but I know we’d see a substantial drop in income to go with it. We live a simple life: no fancy cars or vacations. We don’t drink, try to eat healthy, and take good care of ourselves. If we have a roof over our heads, put food on the table, and set our kids up for a good life, we are happy.
I apologize if I seem unfocused and rambling; I’m feeling a bit shell-shocked and lost in the moment. I have genuine concerns about my children’s future, although it may be premature since we don’t know how much worse things could become. The difficult part will be gathering the courage to make the move to a far-from-perfect UK and adjusting to all the changes that come with it. If moving is the right decision, I want to start thinking about it sooner rather than later, instead of waiting several years for conditions to worsen.
I would secretly humor myself that I would move my family to the UK if the Republicans got back into power while in their current deranged state. I just never thought it would become a reality. I have been waiting for November 6th to finally have a sigh of relief.
My daughter had a brain tumor removed as a child. If the government removes the preexisting conditions protections in our ACA, insuring her would become difficult. Also, my wife and kids are Jewish (not practicing). Currently, Jewish people are not the focus of singling out, but there is a Naziesque / Christian Nationalism bend to what’s going on here. With more propaganda and leaning into hate, I can imagine a scenario where that would change.
My wife and children (15 and 12) are only US citizens. I’m self-employed w/ clients from all over, working remotely, but my wife works in commercial real estate and a move to the UK would be a setback for her career. We live in an extremely high-cost-of-living area of Southern California ($150k would be scrapping by). Excluding the greater London area, the costs in the UK seem quite reasonable, but I know we’d see a substantial drop in income to go with it. We live a simple life: no fancy cars or vacations. We don’t drink, try to eat healthy, and take good care of ourselves. If we have a roof over our heads, put food on the table, and set our kids up for a good life, we are happy.
I apologize if I seem unfocused and rambling; I’m feeling a bit shell-shocked and lost in the moment. I have genuine concerns about my children’s future, although it may be premature since we don’t know how much worse things could become. The difficult part will be gathering the courage to make the move to a far-from-perfect UK and adjusting to all the changes that come with it. If moving is the right decision, I want to start thinking about it sooner rather than later, instead of waiting several years for conditions to worsen.
Qrbrrbl@reddit
Many of the big commercial real estate firms have a sizeable UK presence, with some originating and headquartered here. There's plenty of opportunity in that field in the UK
Lower-Custard-563@reddit (OP)
Thanks! My wife has always done excellent with everything she's done. She came from entertainment and fell into commercial real estate and is now in a Directors position. But the laws, terms, and licensing will be different. I guess there would be a step back. But always finds a way to make herself indispensable.
NoSuchWordAsGullible@reddit
If you live in an area where $150k would be scraping by, and I assume you’re not only “just scraping by”, and you can maintain your business income, then that opens the doors to a very comfortable life in the UK (outside of London).
Our salaries are lower, we have more bureaucracy (to protect us from things like orange rapists who defraud cancer charities), our houses are much, much smaller on average, our food can be a bit dull, but you probably won’t be hunted for which magic sky person you follow. We have separation of church and state, our political Overton window is a few miles left of yours (though probably still a central party and a right wing party, rather than having a true left alternative).
The weather will grind you down until the really bad shit starts in the US, if indeed it ever does.
I’m sorry for your loss. I’d be getting myself and my kids out of the US if I lived there and had a choice about it. Probably take my wife along too, I guess.
Mischeese@reddit
Have you ever visited? Have a visit see what you think. The NHS isn’t perfect but you wont get bankrupt from being ill. Housing can be expensive depending on where you live, but food is cheaper than the US.
It sound like you have dual nationality so come have a look round and see it’s for you?
Lower-Custard-563@reddit (OP)
Yes, both parents were born in the UK so we have a fair amount of family there (some who work in the NHS, I'm well aware) Growing up I spent many summers there. Up North near Newcastle and near Liverpool. I lived in London in the 90s, but I have not been back in 20 years. I love it there, I always feel like I'm home.
There are places I'd prefer to move to, as I move closer to retirement, and since the career I built offers flexibility... But having kids complicates things at this age complicates the issue.
Mischeese@reddit
Sounds like you are at the same stage of life as me, retirement worries start coming fast in your 50s. As it stands how will healthcare and retirement work in the US? Will that potentially be a problem? Here I honestly don’t even think about it. My Dad is 77 and had an aortic aneurysm a month ago, it was diagnosed and removed within 8 days on the NHS. When you are really ill, they can be amazingly fast.
As you are largely remote also have a look at Scotland, it’s so much cheaper than the SE England, East Anglia (baring Cambridge) is reasonable too and it’s still quite easy to get into London. How old are your children? Are they nearing the UK exam ages (16 & 18)or are they younger? The education system is still largely very good, you just need to read up about schools to see what’s best for the kids. Uni is much cheaper than the US and if you live in Scotland for long enough it’s free.
We aren’t perfect by any means but it’s not actually that bad, we do like a whinge and want things to be better but that’s the British way!
Lower-Custard-563@reddit (OP)
My son is 15, so yes he's nearing that age. We are fortunate to live in an area that prides itself on outstanding schools, but it would be a struggle for him. He's placed I all advanced classes. He chose Chinese as a second language, in his 3rd year. He worked his butt off to be a great student, I'm guessing Chinese is not commonly offered in the UK.
sunkathousandtimes@reddit
It’s going to depend a lot on where you go, and if you’re accessing state schools, what your local area has to offer.
The standard language provision in UK secondary tends to be French and German; Italian and Spanish are less common but often still available in state (although by no means guaranteed). Because you’re entering midway through, you’re going to be limited by what schools have spare places at this point.
If you go private then it’s moot because you can choose a school that offers it - but if not, it would certainly be an option to arrange for him to privately sit GCSE Chinese.
If you come over when he’s hitting sixth form (so when he’s 16 turning 17, or in Year 12) then there’s much, much wider language choices at FE colleges, so it’s possible he could pick it up there if the above doesn’t work out.
Mischeese@reddit
In private schools it is, my daughter’s school ran a Mandarin GCSE they have a lot of international kids. I don’t know about State schools though, you might get lucky in London?
IansGotNothingLeft@reddit
Ultimately, my kid can go to school without fear of being killed there. So that's enough for me. As you said, we're far from perfect, but two things about the US have never made sense to me:
Accepting that my child might get shot at school. And potentially being bankrupted by healthcare. It's a no brainer in my opinion.
Lower-Custard-563@reddit (OP)
California is different with its gun laws, but the kids now do "lockdown" drills in school (similar to earthquake and fire drills) the idea makes me ill. A few years back, they gated off all the schools so they feel a bit like prisons.
Healthcare is insane, in total, we spend around $20k p/year.
ConsidereItHuge@reddit
Our kids do lockdown drills in the UK.
sunkathousandtimes@reddit
I never had a lockdown drill in any of my 3 schools - I really don’t think it’s as common here as in the US.
ConsidereItHuge@reddit
Great. I have 2 school aged kids and a wife who's a teacher.and all 3 of their schools do it.
sunkathousandtimes@reddit
No need to downvote; it shows the difference in experience across the UK. My experience isn’t yours, nor yours mine.
ConsidereItHuge@reddit
Oh no, precious internet points.
sunkathousandtimes@reddit
Your ego is so thin you can’t take someone else saying your experience isn’t theirs? Says more about you than me, my friend.
ConsidereItHuge@reddit
Oh no, my ego.
sunkathousandtimes@reddit
I’ll upvote that acknowledgement of your fragility! Enjoy some silly internet points
ConsidereItHuge@reddit
I've got plenty to spare if you're that desperate.
Safe-Art5762@reddit
The NHS isn't perfect but I still have insulin provided and physio appointments and etc. for 'free' (not at point of use). It's easy to moan about something that's actually pretty good, when you've not had to use less insulin than you need, because you can't afford any more. We are extremely lucky to have it.
ConsidereItHuge@reddit
The NHS is objectively in a state.
CraftyCat65@reddit
It's not great, but we Brits love to moan and it's a damn sight better than the US, even before today's orange tsunami.
Purple_Feature1861@reddit
I unfortunately never visited Southern California so I wouldn’t be able to compare properly.
I will say if you are looking to move near or in London, we’re very flat land area and it can be very wet, not as wet as say up north of England but we still have many rainy days.
We do have a couple of weeks of a heatwave every summer but since it doesn’t last very long we don’t have much aircon.
Expect to be very sweaty and hot in the summer but our houses and buildings are built for warmth so you should be completely good in our winter.
I will say I was watching a YouTube video of American women who moved to the UK with her family, she is settling in but it’s still a struggle now and again. She talked about one of the big problems she had was our indirectness. So being direct and blunt in the UK can be seen as rude, so we tend to ask for things in a round about way to avoid being seen as rude.
We do have very good transportation compared to the US, that’s much I have heard. Though our trains are fairly expensive. If go to London and you have Apple Pay on your phone, you can just use that in the underground/tube/subway instead.
Though I do suggest going on a long holiday over here first and try and get an authentic experience as possible. So you can visit any places you are invested in moving too.
(You also don’t need to hire a car, just get trains but of course look into it more, depending on where you are going)
I would say a nice thing about being in the UK is how close we are to mainland europe, the flights over there, cab be very cheap so if you ever do move, look forward to that!
And exploring the rest of the UK as well! The American lady who moved Witt her family has visited lots of different places in the UK and really enjoyed it!
But yes, if you really are thinking of moving, I suggest a large holiday with your family over here first! Don’t come over here unprepared!
Job wise it’ll depend on what field your wife is in, some can be very difficult to get into while others with the right experience under your belt can be fairly easy.
I’d say for you and your wife, volunteering is a way to go to just add experience specifically “working” in the UK and it will give you more social interaction with other Brits and help you form social circles (since that can be quite diffficult in the UK)
But yes, don’t come over here without visiting first!
Bantabury97@reddit
It's fine. In all honesty it's just fine. Not great. Not terrible. But fine. Don't let the doomsayers of Reddit make you think the country's gone down the swanny.
Lower-Custard-563@reddit (OP)
Thank you, "fine" sounds wonderful. I don't want a lot. I want to be able to work and enjoy being alive.
aje0200@reddit
Have you got a plan for if you want to move back to the US? Might not be able to afford to move back to Southern California after living in the Uk?
IpromithiusI@reddit
You would need visas, so before you start considering the state of the UK, you will need to explore if it's even an option.
Lower-Custard-563@reddit (OP)
I believe I can get them on Family Visas and there's a healthcare surcharge I would need to pay.
IpromithiusI@reddit
Ah sorry missed that bit!
HaveFaithxInMe@reddit
I don't think they have any options. If they have no direct family or no spouse there I'm not sure what visa they'd qualify for. Only options left are skilled worker visas which are HARD or global talent visas, also difficult.
OP, the UK gov website has visa details outlining the requirements. There are no gray areas with the requirements, you meet them or you're denied.
It's also an expensive process. I probably spent thousands on the first round of my visa just for myself. You will need to pay for the NHS (ihs) fee for your whole family which is over a thousand pounds per year.
techbear72@reddit
If OP is a British citizen as he states, he wouldn’t need any sort of visa to come here or to work. His kids should also qualify for British citizenship. His wife would need a visa though, but this would be easier than many because they’re married. Still, not a simple “pick up and move” situation but definitely do-able.
non-hyphenated_@reddit
Honestly every nation has its issues it's just how big are those issues to you. The literal rapist & convicted criminal you've just got would be my "nope" point in your shoes. The UK isn't a bed of roses either though. We have huge wealth inequality, crumbling public services, an increasing tax burden and all the cloud/rain you could ever desire.
WoolyBouley@reddit
Don't move your kids at that age, man.
AmphibianNo8598@reddit
Not sure how your day to day is so wouldn’t totally know. Visa stuff would obviously be an issue. Housing market is kinda fucked I hear but can’t be too sure since I can’t really believe it’s in my future. I know our cost of living is significantly lower than yours even though ours is high for us atm. Salaries are lower. We definitely don’t see non-practicing Jews as a different race or anything so that’s chill. I’m sure we probably need estate agents but even so lots of transferable skills in that job I’m sure. 15 might be a tricky age to move school systems, ours has harder subject matter on average and she’d miss a year of gcse prep at least, 16 might be a good age to move though. We just elected a labour government so woo I guess, our main discrimination problem is probably trans people.
deleted_by_reddit@reddit
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sunkathousandtimes@reddit
Oh, and you may want to look at whether the kids are eligible for UK citizenship - usually kids of British nationals born abroad are eligible, but I’m not aware whether that needs to be claimed at the time of birth.
Voodoopulse@reddit
It's a bit drizzly
Accurate_Prompt_8800@reddit
I’ve not seen rain in a few weeks now! Cloudy and cold though, yes.
cougieuk@reddit
Give me drizzle and rain over actual Nazis and school shootings.
WillWorkforWhisky@reddit
Have you shown it to a doctor?
OtherManner7569@reddit
Economy isn’t great, things are tight, weather is cold but we don’t have that orange criminal in charge and never will.
Safe-Art5762@reddit
Probably a hell of al ot better than America at the moment. I know where I'd rather live, even with the drizzle/mizzle.
Safe-Art5762@reddit
*a lot
Thestolenone@reddit
Not brilliant, not terrible. Give it a go. It would be an adventure of nothing else.
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