By Age 10, Nearly Every Child Could Have Long COVID
Posted by TheMemeticist@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 108 comments
A model based on data provided from the Canadian government suggests that nearly every child may experience Long COVID symptoms by age 10, driven by recurrent COVID-19 infections and cumulative risk.
- Long COVID Risk per Infection
- Risk estimates:
- 13% after the first infection
- 23% cumulative after a second infection
- 37% cumulative after a third infection
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Increased Risk with Re-infections
- Statistics Canada findings:
- Canadians with one infection: 14.6% reported prolonged symptoms
- Canadians with two infections: 25.4% (1.7 times higher risk than one infection)
- Canadians with three or more infections: 37.9% (2.6 times higher risk than one infection)
- Source: Statistics Canada
This model, developed by analyzing infection rates and using data from the Institut national de santé publique du Québec and the COVID-19 Immunity Task Force, estimates an average infection rate of once per person per year. With each infection presenting a 13% risk of developing Long COVID, repeated exposures drastically increase cumulative risk over time.
Key findings from the model:
- 2022: After the first infection, each individual faces a 13% risk of Long COVID.
- 2026: With five infections, the risk climbs to approximately 50%.
- 2032: After ten infections, the risk reaches around 78%.
The methodology uses a cumulative risk formula to calculate the likelihood of developing Long COVID over multiple infections, assuming infections occur independently and at a constant risk rate. The model estimates that nearly all children will face Long COVID by age 10 if these infection rates continue, potentially marking a significant long-term health impact for the entire population.
To explore the data and methodology behind these findings, you can view the project and code on GitHub: LC-Risk Estimator.
The Long COVID Risk
The most severe potential outcome of Long COVID involves several interconnected risks that could create a downward spiral of health and economic consequences:
The global burden could exceed 400 million cases by late 2023, with numbers continuing to grow due to reinfections and new variants. This estimate is likely conservative as it doesn't account for asymptomatic infections.
The condition remains poorly understood, with multiple proposed mechanisms including viral persistence, immune dysregulation, and mitochondrial dysfunction. Limited research funding and lack of standardized diagnostic tools hinder treatment development. Without clear understanding of its subtypes, developing targeted therapies remains difficult.
Studies show concerning low recovery rates, with many cases potentially becoming chronic conditions. A significant portion of affected individuals experience reduced work capacity or complete disability, leading to long-term dependence on support systems.
The estimated annual global cost could reach $1 trillion through:
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Reduced workforce participation
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Increased healthcare costs
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Lost productivity
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Strain on public finances
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Potential labor shortages
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Social and Development Impact
Marginalized communities face disproportionate effects and barriers to care
Progress toward Sustainable Development Goals could be undermined
Existing health inequalities may worsen
Access to healthcare and poverty reduction efforts could be reversed
Without effective prevention and treatment strategies, this scenario could result in a significant portion of the population facing chronic illness and disability. The cascading effects would impact all aspects of society, creating a future marked by widespread health challenges and economic hardship.
Recent surges in pneumonia and other respiratory illnesses in the U.S. may be linked to immune system damage from repeated COVID-19 infections and Long COVID (LC). Mycoplasma pneumoniae, a common cause of "walking pneumonia," has sharply increased among children, alongside significant rises in hospitalizations for COVID-19, influenza, and RSV.
Research reveals that LC often weakens immune response, leaving individuals more vulnerable to additional infections. Autoimmune responses triggered by LC can create chronic inflammation, damaging lung and other body tissues. This impaired immunity is thought to be a factor behind severe respiratory outcomes, including recurrent pneumonia, as the immune system becomes less capable of fighting off routine pathogens.
With cumulative COVID exposure, especially in young people, the weakened immune systems may struggle to fend off infections. Preventive health measures and managing LC risks are critical to mitigating these rising respiratory threats.
The urgent need for measures to reduce transmission and manage Long COVID risks as COVID continues to circulate globally.
dumnezero@reddit
Wait till you see what MAHA does with this.
jbond23@reddit
Vax denial? Ivermectin? RFK Jr is a scary, chaos actor.
dumnezero@reddit
It's not chaos per se, it's a type of fascism tied to eugenics. The privatization of Public Health in the context of class society means an increase the risk factors for the poor, for the vulnerable, for unprivileged minorities, while the rich get richer.
traveledhermit@reddit
The thing is, doesn’t this also mean that nearly every surgeon, engineer, builder, etc. is also going to have long covid within a decade?
Basic_Transition1421@reddit
And every scientist that we believe will invent the cure for climate or health: do not fear we will invent new things with covid brains that will a) save the world for us or b) save the world from us. We should start global strike, stop the business as usual, but we won’t: robots do not use their brains, they do not need one. We are evolving, in just 10 years we don’t need to use our brains either.
Kiss_of_Cultural@reddit
That’s a bingo!
PsudoGravity@reddit
Thus I keep masking. I'll be even more highly abnormally skilled by default in a while.
We might end up with a blighted generation. Or it might turbocharge cure research so silver linings.
Taqueria_Style@reddit
We elected Apophis from Stargate, but ten times stupider.
Only research we're going to be doing is for the location of Noah's Ark, dude.
Taqueria_Style@reddit
So I'm dead within a decade is what you're saying.
CaonachDraoi@reddit
yes 😵💫
Sumnerr@reddit
I continue to wear a N95 when I go into stores and work in people's homes. I had to get bloodwork done and I went to the hospital. The phlebotomist saw the mask and asked "Do I need a mask? Do you have Covid???" (the mask has an exhalation vent, by the way, so it doesn't really protect others...)
I'm I the crazy one? I read OK Doomer and I feel lax on my protection measures.
jbond23@reddit
Why would you use one like this?
Lovefool1@reddit
I am in my early 30s in the USA. I have had Covid seven times since first getting it late Feb 2020.
It never once affected my lungs or breathing during or after.
My long covid symptoms appear to be chronic neuropathy / never pain, heat intolerance, and a weakened immune system. I catch every bug now after decades of rarely falling all. I would go years without getting even a cold, and now I get sick monthly despite consistent PPE use and careful hand washing. Flare ups of nerve pain are random but also can be triggered or exacerbated by stress, heat, physical exertion, and sudden physical pain like stubbing a toe.
I have had to change careers, have had difficult holding jobs due to repeatedly getting sick, and I make significantly less money now yet have not been able to get Medicaid or disability.
All the doctors I’ve seen have no answers or suggestions for the neuropathy or immune symptoms beyond vitamins and rest.
My health has declined over the last four years. I cannot regularly exercise due to the nerve pain. I eat worse now because healthier groceries and prepared foods / take out has increased significantly in price and I have to prioritize my spending around maintaining access health care, rent, and my car.
I’m gonna keep applying for Medicaid and disability. Idk what to do beyond that at this point.
Unless I can figure out a stable remote job from home that pays enough, I will keep working in public spaces and keep getting sick.
I did not appreciate my health and body enough for most of my life. Chronic illness is a big drag.
big_ol_leftie_testes@reddit
Every day I feel better and better about my decision to not have children
pradeep23@reddit
Yes. I had made a similar decision primarily on cost of living and working as a wage slave way back. I could see a lot of things unsustainable. But the pandemic and the reaction, rather apathy towards it, has opened my eyes.
I don't see our civilization as advanced at all. But closer to what we would see in middle ages. The mindset and all.
RainClone@reddit
Yep. My life is quite a mess but I'm glad I never wanted to become a parent so that's one thing less to worry about.
Equal-Air-2679@reddit
This can't happen. Some of us have immunity mechanisms that have been studied. We don't get COVID even when it's introduced purposefully to infect people like us in a controlled study
rainydays052020@reddit
Source? Genuinely curious. I think my maternal side of the family may have the genetic predisposition to immunity.
Equal-Air-2679@reddit
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/never-gotten-covid-19-obscure-gene
Kiss_of_Cultural@reddit
I don’t think the percentage with that gene is as high as they think.
“Subsequent challenge trials have struggled to infect volunteers, given virtually everyone has some immunity to COVID-19 now.”
This is flawed logic. We have seen repeat infections for all years of the pandemic. Most of the population has had it 5+ times. There have been many studies looking at asymptomatic infection and presuming a very high percentage of all infections are asymptomatic, like possibly 60%, and since home tests throw high false negatives, many people who were not part of these small studies really think they never had it. I have a family member who never masked, lived in a red state, and believed shed never had it despite being around sick people at work and other family. She just for the first time confirmed caught it at a wedding this year.
Also, given the vascular mechanism of the virus, any infection, even mild, even short lived with a quick immune response, has risk of long covid. This is a virus that loves on as zombie virus waiting to be reactivated by other future infections while also making you susceptible to future infections by destroying your immune system.
Just like HIV, there may be a VERY small group who are genetically immune. But its still going to disable or kill most people eventually.
cilvher-coyote@reddit
Decent article.
I think I may be one of those people. Haven't gotten Covid (knock on wood) and I was in and out of the hospital from Feb 2022-April 2022, and even my roommate just had it and I've felt like crap for a wk but it's definitely Not Covid as I don't have even one symptom. I just figured it's from all the cigs and weed I smoke because they Were studying Why smokers and people that smoke weed seem to get it a lot less(but if course they all got shut down). They were trying to find out if it was the nicotine in the cigs or the THC,CBD,CBG,CBA,etc, &/or certain terpenes that they were believing gave people a coverage of 80-90% of not getting the virus.
I wish I had some articles to post but just like the studies (the University of Lethbridge was one and they actually spent a whole yr making over 100 new sativa strains they were going to experiment with) but like the studies,the articles and papers seem to have been all brushed under the rug. :(
canibal_cabin@reddit
I'm the only one COVID free in my extended family and friends and I m also the only one who commuted with public transport daily to work......
rainydays052020@reddit
Thanks
BitchfulThinking@reddit
Sure, but then you'll be left to do all of the thinking and caring for everyone else when they eventually get Long Covid. Or clearing out the bodies.
Like people wanting immortality. Eventually, you just end up floating alone in space forever.
Equal-Air-2679@reddit
I'm not taking issue with the devastating impact of long COVID for those it affacets. I'm taking issue with an inaccurate assessment. It will not affect nearly everyone. The rates seem to be holding steady at around 10 percent
BitchfulThinking@reddit
When enough people are affected, it will. Not everyone will have LC personally, but the world is going to be even more of a dysfunctional collapsed mess. I wouldn't trust the safety of a plane, a building's integrity, or food safety in a world with that much impairment.
Equal-Air-2679@reddit
You are ignoring data you don't prefer if you hpnestly think "nearly every child" will end up with long COVID by age 10
kingfofthepoors@reddit
more republican voters
Taqueria_Style@reddit
As of now I'm pretty sure we have infinite "Republican voters" until the end of time.
Kiss_of_Cultural@reddit
“You’ll never need to vote again!”
Taqueria_Style@reddit
GASP THE ECONOMY!!!!!
Nevermind we're all laying in bed in a pile of our own feces. Just shh about that part.
Kiss_of_Cultural@reddit
Hence the push for rapid expansion of AI to take our jobs and slowly build a society where the rich think they can outlast the plebs because they caught covid fewer times. Don’t worry, they wont dodge climate change like they think they will. “Karma finds a way.” -my name is earl
The_Weekend_Baker@reddit
By 2032, I suspect we'll have bigger issues to worry about than long COVID.
Kiss_of_Cultural@reddit
I don’t know if i want a simpler collapse so i can focus my energy on reducing the pain my loved ones experience from the one collapse issue, OR if i should welcome the complex collapse because maybe it’ll be quicker, ie less suffering.
Tumbleweed_Chaser69@reddit
yea, like being dead
dumnezero@reddit
It's not a competition, issues can be synergistic.
ashvy@reddit
No child left behind
MuppetPuppetJihad@reddit
Yea don't worry RFK will also be "going wild on health."
DastardlyMime@reddit
An American vaccine ban would kickstart pandemics in a big way. And could make the country a figurative (possibly literal) leper colony. Suddenly a bit more worried about H5N1 than I was yesterday.
redditmodsRrussians@reddit
I mean, we are basically going on a repeat of the stupid of 2016 except with everything dialed up to 11 so a bird flu that reaps 50% of the population and induces the events of the Dark Winter scenario is on the table
Taqueria_Style@reddit
You'll never know it exists. Because they'll never tell you.
Then one day we wake up dead.
By the way can we get some leeches with our anti-vax? Come on man. Cutting edge 7th Century technology.
Hour-Stable2050@reddit
Wow, Americans really do forget other countries exist don’t they? You’ll hear about it from them.
Hilda-Ashe@reddit
H5N1 has jumped to the pigs and RFK Jr will soon be at the helm of the FDA.
Clearly, my plea for "one apocalypse at a time, please" had gone unheeded.
SuperBasedBoy@reddit
He’s about to go wild on that shit for sure
PsudoGravity@reddit
Doubt? Vaccines are big big big big buisness, and most of these folks can be bought, if you can count on anything its megacorperations not going quietly...
big_ol_leftie_testes@reddit
Never thought I’d be rooting for our corporate overlords lol
PsudoGravity@reddit
The enemy of my enemy...
McQuoll@reddit
Is potentially a cat’s paw.
dovercliff@reddit
...is my enemy's enemy; no more, no less.
But sometimes our interests align.
allurbass_@reddit
Lolllll
saul2015@reddit
Has anyone considered the 2024 election results are further proof of societal wide brain damage from repeat covid infections and ppl feeling abandoned by the Biden admin?
I'm only half serious, but it would be good if we can push this narrative to get liberals to care about covid again
If Bird Flu becomes a thing under Trump, at least people will mask again
Kiss_of_Cultural@reddit
My family screams it constantly. There is evidence that covid makes people more aggressive, risk-taking, and less empathetic. Traffic accidents continue to rise. Most people have had covid 5+ times by now. There is no way that it isn’t impacting the behavior of the masses.
karshberlg@reddit
At this point the brain damage is coming from so many different angles that it's hard to quantify.
Taqueria_Style@reddit
When we collectively stare at a game of Pong and call it artificial intelligence because it's now smarter than us.
LadyFizzex@reddit
The brain damage is coming from inside the house!
Electrical_Print_798@reddit
Eh, fascism goes hand in hand with capitalism, and the US has had a long history of fascism. The libs don't care about covid bc they are also proponents of capitalism. Caring about covid would mean they'd have to care about people over profit. Neither party would do that.
BitchfulThinking@reddit
Everyone gets butthurt when we suggest their plague ravaged brains are fucking mush from repeat infections. The ridiculous car accidents alone!
People force their sick babies out for beer runs, and NICO nurses don't even wear surgical masks anymore. They should be ashamed of themselves, but they're the first ones to flip out about masks. Liberals in CA are just as bad as the child-rapist supporters regarding Covid. I don't think anyone not masking now will ever change, for anything.
Those of us who continued to follow the science (not just vax and relax) have been watching the decline from home/behind masks. I'm in CA where we have avian flu and corpses of dead sick cows in the road, so of course idiots here are downing raw milk. Loads of diseases are back on the menu! 🙃
Public heath is dead. We're back to pre-germ theory and can only protect ourselves.
rainydays052020@reddit
Oh bird flu is well on its way. California is reporting new human cases regularly and it hit a few pigs in Oregon recently.
violetgothdolls@reddit
Im in the UK and a big outbreak at a poultry farm has been headline news today.
kingfofthepoors@reddit
the new admin will outlaw masks
saul2015@reddit
we r fucked thanks Obama
DastardlyMime@reddit
I find myself wondering sometimes if we'd be on this dark a path (politically. We'd be screwed no matter what with regard to climate change) if Obama hadn't won and broken racist America's collective brains.
See_You_Space_Coyote@reddit
Lots of kids already have long covid now and my heart breaks thinking about all the kids who will develop long covid later, especially since the government shows no interest in doing anything to help them at all.
Kiss_of_Cultural@reddit
The government/CDC can’t be bothered to encourage quality masking strongly to all people in all public spaces, and endorsing the studies in news sources. Cheap and effective prevention/reduction works, but only if everyone participates. The masses missed the news that long covid exists. The masses missed the news that the vaccines only reduce hospitalization, not prevent infection nor risk of long covid. The masses missed that N/KN95s work. The masses missed that Covid is constantly cycles, 3-4 waves per year, still killing and disabling at a rate far greater than the annual flu, again 3-4 times per year. The masses missed the there is no such thing as immunity with this thing. People are getting 3 different strains of covid within 4 months!
Kiss_of_Cultural@reddit
When do we start taking bets on the collapsepool? Like a deadpool. Which one causes millions of deaths first: Climate, Fascism, or Disease?
2025Champions@reddit
Look on the bright side. Once trump replaces CDC scientists with his own people, long Covid will stop being a real thing.
breaducate@reddit
It didn't take Trump to memory-hole COVID.
CaonachDraoi@reddit
unfortunately there’s not much replacing that needs to happen for that lol they already don’t give a fuck
2025Champions@reddit
It’s not that they don’t care, it’s that nobody knows how do address it. Not doctors, not the CDC. Which sucks, but medicine is like that sometimes. We don’t have a treatment yet so they do nothing.
But currently they acknowledge its existence. And that will go away, which will slow down finding a treatment as well as disseminating that knowledge when some doctor somewhere finds something that works.
Taqueria_Style@reddit
DRACO works.
Legitimately no one gives a single fuck. I don't know why.
2025Champions@reddit
What is that? If it’s too much to type in a Reddit post give me a link. Sincerely curious.
CaonachDraoi@reddit
three doctors at my (former) practice literally say that covid is “just another cold.” obviously anecdotal but i called 10 different offices searching for a doctor who wears a mask during visits and didn’t find a single one, had to settle for one who would “accommodate” me. the cdc is still saying covid is seasonal, still saying social distancing and hand washing are the primary ways to address it, and are doing ZERO educating about long covid, even if their knowledge is incomplete.
2025Champions@reddit
It sounds like you’re living in a red state
CaonachDraoi@reddit
that’s the thing, i’m not 😭
BitchfulThinking@reddit
Yeah you could be in CA with me where assholes cough at and attack us for wearing masks.
CaonachDraoi@reddit
i’m in the blue state actively banning masks lmfao
Thats-Capital@reddit
The CDC has downplayed the dangers of COVID since it was decided that everyone needed to act normal so the economy doesn't suffer.
If they were actually trying to give effective public health messaging, they could be clear about the risks of COVID, the risk of repeat infections, that it's important to protect yourself etc. They could be crystal clear that COVID is airborne so people could understand the importance of masking.
But they don't do any of that. They downplay it and are happy to let the entire medical field gaslight everyone by saying "it's just a cold" and "now we have the tools to fight COVID".
The CDC is a massive disappointment.
DastardlyMime@reddit
H5N1 too
Competitive_Shock783@reddit
The numbers go up because they keep testing.
ReasonablePossum_@reddit
Throw in some ivermectin
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canibal_cabin@reddit
https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/144300/Post-Vac-Syndrom-Mehr-als-die-Haelfte-der-weltweiten-Faelle-in-Deutschland-registriert
Denise263@reddit
Yep, exactly
GrapefruitNo9123@reddit
Covid and long covid have both destroyed society
kobemustard@reddit
But this means 30% of kids now should have long covid. That can't be right? My kid is 10 in school and i don't see that happening.
TheMemeticist@reddit (OP)
it's around about there yes, we are likely over 1 billion people with longcovid right.
NewBroPewPew@reddit
Why don't you see it happening?
KanyeYandhiWest@reddit
Because people are not getting long covid at rates suggested by the evidence.
BitchfulThinking@reddit
Yeah, it's worse. Even the closest people can't always tell if someone is suffering (or even care) and doctors have been gaslighting patients, as they're wont to do. People don't even know they're suffering despite coughing all the time, car accidents, sudden aging or weight change, and having weird new pains and allergies, because society deemed it as something to never think or talk about again.
NewBroPewPew@reddit
How do you know that? I would love to look at your data.
KanyeYandhiWest@reddit
"I have this data that suggests every child in America is disabled!"
"That can't be right. Your data is probably flawed."
"Oh yeah, well, where's your data?! You don't have any? Checkmate, liberal!"
egamruf@reddit
No, you don't understand. The kids' long covid symptoms are being written off by parents as churlishness and laziness 'typical of any kid'. They don't know their kid has long COVID and their kid isn't able to explain in reasoned adult tones that it's happening.
So... no problem.
CurrentBias@reddit
💯, it's not being diagnosed
egamruf@reddit
I should have Googled for a reference myself. I expected there might be one, but the likelihood seemed obvious enough that I just went with the response. Thanks for improving on my laziness.
dumnezero@reddit
Or because not everyone intersects with children on a consistent basis?
BitchfulThinking@reddit
Check the teaching sub. Kids your child's age aren't even potty trained anymore, and the increasing behavioral issues in schools are why I only know former teachers.
saul2015@reddit
we did a better job preventing infections early on, we're only in like year 3 of the "let it rip" strategy
rainydays052020@reddit
Kids also aren’t getting vaccinated or covid boosters… while not perfect, they do help tamper the acute stage of covid infections.
PrismaticDetector@reddit
The numbers do seem to imply annual infection with no deviations. Which seems improbable; at the very least there should be stochastic variation, and we should expect subpopulations which exhibit behaviors that reduce the risk to below 1/year average to present fewer long COVID cases (while populations > 1/year average annual infection should show diminishing returns from the fact that getting long COVID when you have long COVID already won't add linearly). But the numbers do certainly suggest that, unless there is a very large resistant subpopulation, kids born into COVID are unlikely to become adults without long COVID.
KingOfBerders@reddit
My kids 10. 35 weeker so had a tough few first days. He’s been hospitalized with Covid pneumonia and continues to show all the signs typical of Long Covid. I work in healthcare so I’m accustomed to the signs & symptoms. He’s never been diagnosed but I would put money on it i had disposable income to spare.
thoptergifts@reddit
Stop having kids.
Healthy_Monitor3847@reddit
I’m a 34 year old mom who’s recently become disabled from long covid. I was healthy my entire life prior to this. It is happening here. And it fucking sucks. Mask up please!
jamesmiles@reddit
Idiocracy, the Prequel.
prncss_pchy@reddit
“Trump will certainly help this” my siblings in Christ who has been in office for the last four years holy fucking cow
konoiche@reddit
I don’t know. I think it’s probably more accurate to say “by the age of ten, most children WILL have Long Covid.”
cameron4200@reddit
Good thing we had an excellent president to guide us through the initial and most devastating phase
Bob_Dobbs__@reddit
This is an excellent analysis.
Thank you for the time and effort you put into making this.
____cire4____@reddit
As if I didn’t already have a surplus of depressing news today.