We need to push hard for the Hearing Protection Act while we still can with this win.
Posted by SayNoTo-Communism@reddit | Firearms | View on Reddit | 55 comments
Write to your representatives when the time is right to convince them this is worth fighting for.
dadbodsupreme@reddit
Seems a lot more realistic than waiting for the Texas Suppressor Freedom suits to go through the appeal/remand/enjoin/put your left foot in/ shake it all about thing and then waiting for another state to try the same bit of legislation.
SayNoTo-Communism@reddit (OP)
Yeah people are talking about removing the NFA but that isn’t gonna happen without approval from Dems even with the us controlling all branches right now. We gotta win smaller battles to build momentum. The Texas freedom shit was just a waste of tax dollars to defend. Everyone knows in our country that the feds word reigns supreme.
SaltyDog556@reddit
It can mostly happen without approval from the dems. The NFA is a tax law. It can be amended with a simple majority in one of the 1000+ pages of a reconciliation act. They just need to change the tax to something like $5, define what "approval" means under Chapter 53, including that if not approved within 3 days then Brady kicks in, and a printout of the confirmation number from pay.gov is the "evidence" of payment if a stamp isn't received by the 3 days.
They could also sneak in language that redefines a machine gun to a firearm greater than 50 caliber... just like Bill Hughes did.
But getting a politician to listen to this is going to be almost impossible.
SayNoTo-Communism@reddit (OP)
It can mostly happen in theory if everything goes right but in reality it will never. Start a dialogue with both parties and listen to their concerns. Show them why it’s not an issue and if it is then explore what safeguards can be offered with the least burden on the consumer. You want the NFA gone you better have something to give in return.
SaltyDog556@reddit
We've given too much over the decades without any take. I could go for universal background checks, but in addition to an almost repeal of the NFA, it would have to come with concealed carry reciprocity or no state allowed to ban anything.
SayNoTo-Communism@reddit (OP)
I feel like pitching a civilian FFL that permits guns shipped to door and national carry would get some Dems to bite.
SaltyDog556@reddit
You bring up civilian FFL. There's a case at scotus right now - Oakland Tactical Supply v Howell Township- that depending on how broad a favorable decision would be, may pave the way for almost anyone to get a home based FFL. It depends on the "similarly situated" argument the plaintiffs made and if or where scotus goes with it.
Provia100F@reddit
I don't want the ATF to have a blank warrant to search my home any time they feel like it.
SaltyDog556@reddit
Then you wouldn't have to get one. I've seen a lot of them set it up in their garage and then assign it a different address. Like 100-2 main street. Or 100 main street, unit B. That limits the set designated premise space.
Provia100F@reddit
How would that work if you wanted to keep a suppressor on your home defense weapon?
SaltyDog556@reddit
You're allowed to transport them off site. Plus, unless they have full reason to believe you're committing an illegal act after surveillance enough to get a warrant, they call you ahead of time to schedule an inspection. They aren't randomly ~~knocking~~ beating down doors with guns blazing.
echo202L@reddit
Universal background checks is a gun registry dude. If you're okay with that then you haven't paid attention to history.
SaltyDog556@reddit
I'm not ok with it. But The government already knows who we are. If this was part of a concealed carry reciprocity, it would be moot, everyone would be known. If they were to attempt a confiscation, list or no list, they're not going to assume you have just one. From a practical standpoint it changes nothing.
deathlokke@reddit
UBC necessarily leads to gun registration. Screw that noise. I'm ok with NICS being opened to the public, but I'll never support universal background checks.
iatha@reddit
Not sure if you're referring to a different case, but the texas filed suppressor suit Paxton v. Dettelbach was dismissed in district court and affirmed in the 5th circuit on lack of standing.
Ornery_Secretary_850@reddit
It's not going to happen. We'd need 60 Senate seats to get it through the Senate.
Now if we repealed the 17th Amendment, we'd have control of the Senate.
SayNoTo-Communism@reddit (OP)
That’s assuming we don’t try to work with the democrats. I agree it’s fantasy for any gun control to be repealed in the next 4 years with brute force by Republicans along party lines.
SamPlantFan@reddit
there is no actual pro gun dem, but there definetly are anti gun republicans
SayNoTo-Communism@reddit (OP)
There are many pro gun Dems they just vote Dem because they agree more with the Democrat platform. That matters for presidential elections however that part is all said and done. I’m talking about bipartisan legislation only concerning firearms. In this case a gun loving Dem may be inclined to vote for deregulation if it’s a good deal.
SamPlantFan@reddit
im talking about in political positions. i know many everyday dems who enjoy gun rights, (though most are still in favor of massive regulation or certain weapons, registration, and licensing a la illinois) but the ones who are in positions to pass stuff through are most definelty completely anti gun. if it was up to them youd be lucky to be able to own a double barrel shotgun, as long as its stored in a safe, within a smaller safe, and the ammo is kept in a different room, in a different safe, with a different code to get into
SayNoTo-Communism@reddit (OP)
Anyone can be negotiated with. Ask what scares them about suppressors and show them the legal reasons for wanting them. “Oh you are scared about gangster having them without the NFA well maybe you make them still get a regular NICs background check for suppressors” My point is start a dialogue and figure out their fears.
Ornery_Secretary_850@reddit
The Dems don't negotiate or compromise when it comes to firearms.
https://everydaynodaysoff.com/2013/11/08/cake-and-compromise-illustrated-guide-to-gun-control/comment-page-1/
SamPlantFan@reddit
ohhh man... you must've just gotten into guns, or politics in general for that matter. i remember when I had that ideal about how politics worked lol. just explain with logic, facts, and sense and everyone will realize they were just being silly! even though it should work that way, it doesn't happen like that in reality sadly for a variety of factors. most importantly, if a full dem politician suddenly starts supporting gun right, theyre going to lose a ton of voters from their own established voter base almost immediately, and Republicans wouldn't vote for them because a single issue isn't enough to sway most people. they'd be committing career suicide and they know it.
another reason is economic incentives. every time you buy a suppressor or build an ar with a barrel less than 16", the government gets $200 from you. look at how many suppressor purchases/approvals get posted every day on r/nfa, and how many others aren't even posted anywhere. that's thousands and thousands of dollars nearly daily for ATF funding, and they're not giving that massive source of income up, and they make sure that politicians know that it's in their best interest to keep the nfa the way it is.
there's plenty of other reasons, but it's like this for basically every single topic, on both sides of the aisle... i wish I was still as optimistic as you lol.
SayNoTo-Communism@reddit (OP)
I’ve lived in California until recently I follow gun laws and politics religiously. Talking to those you disagree with yields better results than preaching to a politician who already holds your views. The only difference is you have to be seeking a compromise not complete dominance.
SamPlantFan@reddit
I agree but a regular person not into guns as a hobby is not going to change their vote over to someone else who is more pro gun because the issue doesn't affect them. they can understand silencers and the nfa and the absurdity that it is, the fact is, it's simply not something they care about and not a deciding factor in their vote. they're not suddenly going to vote for a candidate that's Republican and doesn't match their values because hes more pro gun, when the other candidate matches their values and has a stance that won't affect them on a topic they could care less about.
it's like if I told you to vote for some Democrat guy in your state because he has a stance you kinda agree with on say owning exotic pets, but he's anti gun. sure you like that he allows people to own exotic pets, but he doesnt match your values as a voter being anti gun and all, and you don't even own any exotic pets nor do you want to own any, so why vote for him?
smokeyser@reddit
Getting rid of the filibuster would also work, but that's another can of worms that nobody wants to open...
cyberkine@reddit
This regime won’t be as pro-gun as you think. “Take the guns first, go through due process second.” -DJT https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/28/trump-says-take-guns-first-and-worry-due-process-second-white-house-gun-meeting/381145002/
AntelopeExisting4538@reddit
Only reading the headline will almost always fail you.
santanzchild@reddit
while I can appreciate the call. National reciprocity is a more important first step.
Eagle_1776@reddit
as good as that sounds, no one enforces the FOPA interstate travel... so, who would enforce reciprocity? NY and NJ dgaf
SPECTREagent700@reddit
I don’t know what you can do reciprocity at the federal level as it would involve the federal government forcing state governments to recognize permits from other state governments which would seem to be a 10th Amendment violation.
Better would be nationwide constitutional carry; just make it so that states are prohibited from requiring permits at all.
sequesteredhoneyfall@reddit
No, it basically amounts to a recognition that the Federal Constitution is our, "carry permit" and nothing more. It's just recognizing the 2nd as written.
That being said with the prevalence of constitutional states as it stands, I'd rather see suppressors become (proper) legal again.
Hold_Left_Edge@reddit
No. I do not want the feds having and regulatory hand or say in it.
CranberrySuper9615@reddit
I doubt anything major Pro 2A will come through. But at least we don’t have someone trying to ban everything.
ButtstufferMan@reddit
I hope he won't ban anything else. I want to be wrong so bad.
SayNoTo-Communism@reddit (OP)
It creates a good break from the threats of federal bans however long term we will lose rights so we need to capitalize whenever we can
CranberrySuper9615@reddit
You’re definitely right. At least things are looking positive right now.
Stevo182@reddit
Listen you old coots, im 35. I saw all the people coming out in the other thread saying nothing ever changes. It only changes if YOURE vocal and youre the one contacting representitives and family to instill change. This is finnally our chance to do something cool, so at least support the guys wanting to and trying to do it.
raddu1012@reddit
You can buy a thread adapter and an oil filter but it’s just not the same. Agree we need this, I’ll never pay a tax stamp lol
United-Advertising67@reddit
No 60 votes, no law. Simple fact of modern political life.
SayNoTo-Communism@reddit (OP)
Then talk to the other side to see what it would take
ShaggyRebel117@reddit
Write to BOTH the DNC and GOP on the local, state and national level that it's what you want. Donate to the FPC and GOA. If we push hard enough for it we might actually have a chance. Suppressors are incredibly common as is, making the common use argument for them as valid as the second amendment itself. It's not likely politicians are gonna bend to the wills of those they "represent" but if we're lod enough with our voices and our wallets we can get them taken off the registry. It's open the doors to removing SBRs in the long run too.
Casanovagdp@reddit
Why? He can’t run again, he already won so there is no upside to him through EO. The house and senate won’t do anything. They best we will get is hopefully nothing new passing
Stock_Block2130@reddit
Yes. Definitely. Now’s the time.
humpycove@reddit
Best idea I’ve heard today behind free airfare for the cry babies to a fine country of their choice.
GuardianZX9@reddit
Or, just repeal the NFA.
SayNoTo-Communism@reddit (OP)
Not gonna happen through brute force
Spiritual_Ad_6064@reddit
lol no
--_-__-___---_@reddit
the worst they could do is not make any pro 2a laws. the best they could do is get sbrs/aows off the nfa. they will probably use deregulating suppressors as a 2028 election point.
FutebolEngineer@reddit
I didn’t know this was a thing, but I thought it was saying we need to force the courts to hear gun control cases they’re actively sitting on. We need to push for them to hear the cases but we also need to get concealed carry reciprocity and federal magazine and AR rifle protections in all states. This feels like a win but in WA I know Ferguson is going to actively try to ram more gun control down our throats next year unless the federal government steps in.
SayNoTo-Communism@reddit (OP)
The courts will do their own thing independent of the legislature and executive. Trump can’t really change the outcomes other than implementing pro gun judges when given the opportunity.
I agree with protections however it’s easier to repeal a federal law than to force a state to change its laws through federal action. That type of crossover doesn’t occur without support from some Dems. People hate it but unity is the only way to get things done. Trump can undue all the executive orders Biden implemented but law is a bitch to repeal along party lines due to the filibuster.
FutebolEngineer@reddit
I don’t mean force the courts to issue pro gun decisions, I mean force them to see the cases they’re actively sitting on through legislation.
If they pass a federal law that reciprocates constitutional carry and affirms the right to own an AR and standard capacity magazine then it would supersede the state law and allow the cases to be brought to a court that hopefully has to see the case.
SayNoTo-Communism@reddit (OP)
The courts themselves have a high degree of autonomy so they take the cases they like. We can try to persuade them however you can’t force them.
Yes they can pass a federal law that would give those protections however federal laws that take away a states ability to self legislate are typically the hardest to pass. When they do pass it’s result of many negotiations with both sides working together. If you want those things you will need to offer something in return to the Dems.
FutebolEngineer@reddit
My vote for the compromise would be that once the boarder is shut down, anybody that doesn’t have a criminal record gets to apply for a green card, turns out we have more in common with them anyway…
SayNoTo-Communism@reddit (OP)
Honestly this sort of thing compromise would only come about through negotiations with gun control and gun freedom groups and would involve concessions rather than meet me in the middle half measures. Also including other political issues makes it messy and difficult to pass. I like standalone bipartisan bills. Tired of this polarized crap that people are shocked doesn’t pass.