First car?
Posted by AffectionateWin1547@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 46 comments
Getting my license soon and was wondering what's a good first car that's fun to drive and isn't too unreliable and with decent power? Right now I'm thinking about e46 330i, e92 335i, or e55 amg. Budget is 15k and would appreciate your suggestions
trap_money_danny@reddit
This is like... "my first car" for a clout enthusiast. These are some broccoli boi haircut selections.
Stick to a Civic Si or a BRZ or a GTO or something. 15k gets you a solid GTO.
Background_Witness91@reddit
I agree older american is definitely the way to go for him
AffectionateWin1547@reddit (OP)
I want the zoomies all day
trap_money_danny@reddit
Bro I feel that and from a wallet perspective: LS1, LS6, LS2 + T56 = minimal headaches. Maybe a G8 GT but most of those are run through and the interior is sad.
Background_Witness91@reddit
Tbh I was in the same boat, unless your mechanically inclined and have all the tools needed to work on these cars at ur disposal stay away from all of them except the e55, they decently reliable, take this with a grain of salt. Maybe an older american muscle car would be better suited with the correct amount of research. b8.5 s4/s5 area also decently reliable*
Simple-Department-28@reddit
Questions to help us help you.
Where are you located? North America, Europe, Japan? Different markets will dictate different options.
Primary use? Will the car be used for work? Transportation to school/work? Are you looking for a car that’s just for fun?
What are your priorities? Reliability? Fun? Hauling capacity?
Congrats on getting your license, your world is going to change in fun and interesting ways!
AffectionateWin1547@reddit (OP)
mainly fun but i do need it to get me around short distances every day
Simple-Department-28@reddit
Gotcha. What market are you in? N America, Australia, Europe?
AffectionateWin1547@reddit (OP)
located in North America. Main priority is fun with something that wont break down on me 24/7 but acceptable if it goes every 4-5 months
Simple-Department-28@reddit
This is good info! Now, for the fun you’re interested in, are you looking for straight line acceleration? Capability at the track? Having fun in curvy canyon runs?
You may want to update the main post with this information.
AffectionateWin1547@reddit (OP)
straight line acceleration is all i really need, wont be going to canyons much
Simple-Department-28@reddit
Gotcha! Okay, my recommendations are limited by my exposure, so please take it with a big helping of salt grains. I’m really only familiar with the domestic brands - Corvette, Mustang, Camaro. These cars have been tested thoroughly and any faults will be well known and their large aftermarket will likely offer upgrades/fixes for.
Repairs on these cars are easier, whether you’re doing the wrenching or you’re taking the car to a garage; more places will have parts/will be willing to work on it.
Anyhow, I hope these questions will help folks to give you better advice. And I hope whatever you wind up buying gives you many years of fun and safe driving. 🙂👍
Austin_hskl@reddit
Damn, every time someone says "getting my first car, I'm thinking about a _____"
It's a used BMW, Mercedes or Jeep which can be the worst for new young drivers. I get you want to have a flashy vehicle but lord have mercy trust people when they say "just get something boasting reliability over performance". Apologies if this came off as patronizing. I'd argue you take a cheaper car now and get the more expensive car in a few years but of course, you do you.
AffectionateWin1547@reddit (OP)
I’ve already agreed that I get a beater for now and get a f90 m5 comp when I turn 18
Austin_hskl@reddit
Honestly smart of you.
Hoosier_816@reddit
🙄
freshly_ella@reddit
This is gonna be harsh feeling but honest. First realize I'm a car Nut. I hate boring cars. I hate a life with boring cars. I also hate being broke, unable to advance in life, and seeing others do the same.
First, none of the requirements you stated exist together. Fun to drive demands compromise in two things 99% of always. Reliability, and mileage. Reliability demands the compromise of the same other two things. Yes, there Are exceptions. But they require a compromise too. And that compromise is that you're not going get one in good shape for under 15k.
I get it. You don't want to read any more. I'm not offering a solution. Well, I'm not offering an alternate reality that doesn't exist, no. But I can tell you what you should do if you don't want to work the next 4 years only to end it broke needing another car. I'll say first off if you insist on wanting an AMG still, good luck. You're screwed unless you make more money than you know what to do with and already own your own home. If you're reasonable read on.
1) Buy a reliable car that will enable you to buy a second fun car later. I hope you're focusing on bettering other areas of your life before owning two cars but that's none of my business. I'll just say a car will end up being your transportation to work or the only reason you work and the only thing you own. That's your call. If you want that, go test drive every Honda or Toyota at a local lot. Pick one you like and look on reddit to see what common issues they have. There's a sub for every car that exists.
2) buy a fun car but save half your budget to fix it when it breaks. That could look like finding a 9k Mazda, Acura etc with no rust. When the transmission or motor falls put a brand new or rebuilt one in it. Poof! You got basically a new car once you replace the boring suspension with nice adjustable coilovers.
3) buy a Really fun car with zero rust for dirt cheap and start replacing Everything with new and improved parts. This could look like getting any 2000-20010 car you love with ultra high miles but still runs decent. You find out how much every single moving part costs. You set the cost of the engine and transmission to the side and Don't Touch it. Go buy brakes. Go buy suspension. Buy the body kit you want. Get your taillights. Get some newer better seats. When the motor blows, replace it. Poof. Brand new old fun car that should last another 150k miles.
4) this is the one you should do. Find a compromise you can live with for now and appreciate the situation you're in. You have 15k. Dial that back. Don't spend it all. Research the hell out of Honda cars. Don't look at ones that sell for 12-20k and get forced to buy a shitty example. Look at ones that sell for 8-9k and buy an immaculate example. Pay it off and do it fast. Work your ass off and save every penny you can. Life is like a video game. You have to level up one or two levels at a time. Use that car to get yourself to a point where your budget isn't 15k but more. Then go get that AMG you want, and buy another reliable car at the same time so you don't end up back at square one.
So to answer your original question.... here's a good list of first cars.
Honda Civic, Accord, Fit/Jazz.
Toyota Corolla S Premium loaded. Take off the boring suspension and get food coilovers, light wheels, high quality tires.
Mazda C series crossovers, Mazda 6
Acura TSL with low miles
Here's a list of the worst first cars you can buy.
2012 and up Ford focus or fiesta/festiva whatever they're called I forget for those years.
Any high mileage Subaru (yes there's exceptions but it requires a lot of research and luck)
Anything made in Germany or either Korea.
Badenguy@reddit
Your biggest concern is insurance which is ridiculously high until your 25 and keep your record clean. Young person in a fast German car is a cop magnet
AffectionateWin1547@reddit (OP)
I’m a very responsible young person but I have an itch that I must satisfy at the same time
Sharkeatinpizza@reddit
Doesn't matter how responsible you are, insurance will still assume you're just an angsty teenager seeking that car clout and societal status with an old beemer. I've got a spotless driving record for 6, coming in 7 yrs now since I got my license and insurance has me at $220 USD a month for full coverage on a 24 GR Corolla.
Badenguy@reddit
Yeah GR = sports car I was paying that much for a Corrado G60 27 years ago! Sports car.
Sharkeatinpizza@reddit
Can't wait til I turn 25 so they go down even slightly. I can't even begin to imagine what OP's premiums are gonna look like if he gets a used Benz or bmw
Badenguy@reddit
Yeah, and one day you realize no one cares, especially females. Got more play in a pick up truck with a bench seat than anything. Ladies would just slide up next to you and say it reminded them of riding with their grandfather
Sharkeatinpizza@reddit
Exactly, it'd be one thing if OP's getting a European car like like that for track use with some ability to daily it (main reason I got a GRC, can drive to work and back and rip around at the track/backroads on Saturdays), but his initial selection implies otherwise.
Badenguy@reddit
Like I said, been there. Nobody can talk you out of it. Dozens of wise people tried to tell me but I just couldn’t hear them. Had a 325i, and honestly it was easy to work on, parts never cheap, but it wasn’t like American cars where three other things break before you get to the job at hand. I remember rear shocks, by the time you bought all the single use bolts and nuts, all the gaskets it was over $800, and I had made friends with the parts manager who was giving me 30% off on everything, ouch!
Badenguy@reddit
Yeah I’ve been there, 6 tickets and mandatory driving class in one year cured my itch! Your gonna do what your gonna do, but I’d stay away from the Benz, most parts are dealer only on both, but the Benz is way more complicated and expensive.
slammed430@reddit
E46 is the only reliable 1 of the 3. Look into g35/37s they’re easier to work on, cheaper to find parts and cheaper to have someone work on it for you. If you’re stuck on German vehicles e46 will probably be the right direction. I’m a fan of the g35s though because they take a ton of abuse have a ton of aftermarket and have rwd and good power. I’ll also recommend is350s
co_creator@reddit
Are you just not into Mercedes or do you actually think the M113 especially a naturally aspirated one is unreliable?
slammed430@reddit
No they’re arguably Mercedes best engine they’ve made. The electronics around the car will inevitably fail and can be expensive. They aren’t as easy to work on as an e46 or as cheap to replace parts.
SirRiceCooker@reddit
Listen to people in the comments. We were all once young and inexperienced. The thing young people don’t consider is the long term cost of ownership. Be realistic, go for it if you’re already an average earner who doesn’t have too many obligations.
I know people who had money for the car but couldn’t keep up with insurance.
Dear_Efficiency_3616@reddit
e36 m3 . all smiles per gallon. thank me later
6speeddakota@reddit
I wouldn't touch a European car with a 50 foot pole. You can get a half decent mustang gt for that price if you want to go fast.
RudderForADuck@reddit
No offense but I'm convinced now that people just post the most unreliable first cars here as jokes because almost any online forum will advise you against this
Brilliant-Jaguar-784@reddit
If you're a brand new driver, with 15K to spend, I'd recommend looking at a compact Japanese car. Used Honda or Toyota. They're still decently fun to drive, the insurance will be cheaper, and best of all, if you take care of it, it will easily last you through college and into your career when you can afford something newer and and nicer.
AKADriver@reddit
A teenager asking about an E55 AMG is looking for validation, not advice, right? An aging, out of warranty, high performance German luxury car is a great idea and will definitely not give you endless expensive problems and bleed you dry even with just the basic maintenance costs. Go for it.
AffectionateWin1547@reddit (OP)
Yeah that was one of my biggest concerns with the e55 and e46 but I think the e92 wouldn’t be too bad at 2011
Embarrassed-Advice89@reddit
Buddy, the n54 in those cars is a rolling money pit. Do what this guy says and just get a GLI.
Sharkeatinpizza@reddit
Buy a miata for like 6k in decent condition and spend the other 9k setting it up to outlive you and your kids. Don't fall for that pitfall trap of old european sport sedans.
DudeWhereIsMyDuduk@reddit
I wouldn't mind an E46, but be honest with yourself if you can afford the maintenance.
AffectionateWin1547@reddit (OP)
I could afford it for sure the problem would be the convenience love the car and how it looks but it’s pushing 30 now right?
slowwolfcat@reddit
serious ? LOL
AffectionateWin1547@reddit (OP)
Yeah, why not?
MarkVII88@reddit
Don't be stupid.
Good first car is relatively cheap to buy, cheap to run, cheap to insure, easy to work on, and cheap to buy parts for. A 2000s Buick Lacrosse, Lucerne, Park Avenue, LeSabre are perfect first cars. They're also comfortable and reliable with the GM 3800 V6 drivetrain. You aren't going to win any races, but you won't attract automatic attention from cops and you'll save a shitload of money. You can find these with under 100K miles for $4-6K. Spend the rest of your $15K budget on fuel, insurance, and small maintenance items.
TheCarDemotic2@reddit
C5 corvette base
fcnghkkc167@reddit
No one is going to stop you from owning a high powered luxury car. Be ready to let your wallet free to fix problems with aging German luxury cars. You want luxury you must pay for it.
PlanetExcellent@reddit
Stay away from older Euro luxury cars unless you have a big bank account to cover repairs. I used to have a 15-year old Jaguar and it almost bankrupted me. The GTI is a great idea.