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SlySychoGamer@reddit

Funny how he wins 2/3 times and the times he won everything went smooth. The one time he lost it took a week to call it

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griffinhamilton@reddit

Last time was too close to call it this early

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Notademocrat17@reddit

He lost by 7 mil in the popular vote last time but it took a week, much closer this time and it’s over at midnight. I know that doesn’t explain individual states but fuck that’s a bit odd

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Bro they have not even finished counting yet 😭😭

Mephisteemo@reddit

That he beats women or that he beats women?

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Hydraxiler32@reddit

good job congrats you almost understood the joke

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Mephisteemo@reddit

No need to be this condescending, friend.

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Not2creativeHere@reddit

Explain twenty million less people voting for Harris (who was more popular than Biden we were told), than for Biden. These people NEVER existed. I think the anti-American, treasonous, horseshit, are the those who disregarded election law or changed it to account for unverified/no-chain of custody of ballots to count. And the judges who chose not to look at it. Trust but verify my friend. You had the Biden DoJ threaten anyone doing a canvass (in Arizona I think) with jail time. So to look at locations where ballots were cast was punishable by jail. You sound unhinged.

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bunker_man@reddit

Yeah, there's a simpler explanation. People didn't want to vote for Harris. A lot of people had basically no clue who she was until a month ago, and she campaigned on a return to normalcy at a time it's not what people wanted. People pretending she was popular was to drum up support, she was never more popular than biden. Biden won because people voted agaisnt trump, then Trump got popular again as they voted against biden.

If someone was really trying to steal an election they wouldn't multiple the vote count by an extra 30%. There are actual people counting these and paid recounts who admitted the numbers added up. The judges threw out the cases because none of them had any evidence.

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Not2creativeHere@reddit

They didn’t ‘multiple the vote count’ or use fake ballots (that’s a straw-man to dismiss the valid claims). The ballots were real. It's the registrations that were fake. Fake signatures (or no signatures) and fake addresses. That’s why the DoJ threatened to throw people doing any canvasses in jail. Next, there was ballot curing by adjudicators. The number of ballots that needed to be cured was orders of magnitude higher than normal. On top of that, in places like Detroit, Philly and Atlanta, they also ran batches of ballots over and over again through the machines. They were able to use Covid as an excuse to remove observers from the equation which made the fraudulent scanning and adjudications much easier. This time around they had none of that. Hence 15-20 million less Harris voters.

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bunker_man@reddit

Yeah, none of this happened. This should have occurred to you when even republican judges and trump's own people he paid to do a recount all agreed that nothing happened. If there were errors to the tune of millions how did trump's recounters not notice anything.

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Redditbecamefacebook@reddit

Covid. Trump intentionally tried to kill people because he thought it would be worse for Dems, and it was immediately prior to the election.

Trump currently can't string a full sentence together, yet here we are. Cognitive decline is not an issue for voters.

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chiefoogabooga@reddit

Obviously not true. One of Trump’s biggest issues is he talks way too much, not that he can’t put a sentence together.

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bunker_man@reddit

He doesn't say coherent sentences though. A lot of it is gibberish. If Vance was bond enough he would just declare Trump not mentally fit for office and take over in a year or two.

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Pooyiong@reddit

Right, but if you actually look at the content of his ramblings you realize how little is actually being said and how impossible it is for him to stay on topic and address whatever question he was presented with.

It's all word salad, man. Tired of these old diaper wearing fucks getting cheered for. The minimum age for presidency is only 35, since Obama we haven't had a president that isn't at risk of keeling over at any moment.

I shudder to imagine how much we get laughed at whenever Trump or Biden go to meet with these world leaders, surely they're cackling after they leave the room.

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TheDangerdog@reddit

Yes because all the other world leaders are such inspiring people. A real bunch of go getters.

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chiefoogabooga@reddit

You'll get no argument from me that these are the best candidates available. We could obviously do better on both sides. But that's an issue to deal with during the primaries, not the day after the election.

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Pooyiong@reddit

Good thing we kneecapped ourselves by skipping those and shoving Harris in at the 11th hour and running an absolutely abysmal campaign while Trump nailed demographics he logically shouldn't have won.

Its crazy because joe had a history of political failure but they put the "nice old man that was with Obamna" there, so people decided that orange man indeed bad.

Exactly. This one sentence is literally THE answer to everyone who can't believe she lost.

Now if this message can be automatically posted to everyone going "how could she lose!?" that'd be fucking great.

Because stop choosing for the people, that's the entire point of T-man. He may be deeply flawed, but they chose him.

Of course people are going to become apathetic once they start feeling their (illusion of?) choice is being eradicated. The D-party treats their potential supporters like babies and children. It feels condescending.

The worst part, as a non-voter, if you don't vote I NEVER hear R-party people insulting and crying about non-voters. D-party are the only people who completely shit on me and act like I'm not human. So yeah, I'm glad he won. I'm not glad **he** won, but I'm glad *he* won. If that makes sense.

Want my vote? Give me better options to choose from. We've been saying this shit for decades and get ignored every time, so now we ignore the elections. Simple as that, there really is no deep complex reasoning behind it.

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ReallyDumbRedditor@reddit

Vote Blue No Matter Who though......

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ryneku@reddit

Oh yeah, that too. Isn't it the D-party that always complains about the ol' hillbilly rural fucks that always vote red no matter what? Same exact thing, just different side.

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BKStephens@reddit

You'd take a

Because stop choosing for the people, that's the entire point of T-man. He may be deeply flawed, but they chose him.

He's a convicted felon!

Your countrymen and women chose a convicted felon amongst his plethora of other attributes, over a "DEI woman"

Jesus. Titty. Fucking. Christ.

Sincerely,

ROW.

Dr_prof_Luigi@reddit

"This president is very unpopular. Despite winning last time, he is less popular than the guy he beat. Let's put up his VP who a lot of leftists don't even like."

Gets shot in the foot by a shitty decision

How could the racists do this?

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StormR7@reddit

Not even just his VP, but his VP who said “I’m just like Joe Biden”

Like how regarded do you have to be to come to the conclusion that you made a good decision there?

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DownwindLegday@reddit

Yep

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VicariousPanda@reddit

Undoing every executive order on the border just simply because it was Trump was such a stupid thing to do. At least just change the stuff you don't like such as separating the families. Don't open the flood gates and just say UwU

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skratch@reddit

they didn't. they literally only undid the family separation thing & thats why biden arrested more at the border than trump

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jamesd1100@reddit

That’s not true, they eliminated remain in Mexico literally immediately

Which meant that now all asylum seekers are free to roam the US until their court date that the overwhelming majority of whom never show up for

PAC_11@reddit

Can’t get worse than Biden/Kamala, they didn’t do anything to stop the indiscriminate killing. They pretended to care while quietly accepted the ethnic cleansing and genocide. They had no chutzpah.

Trumps first term was the most peaceful term for the Middle East when compared to previous administration and the one after.

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kanny_jiller@reddit

Nah, they don't call him Zion Don for nothing

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ChaseballBat@reddit

I think those Dems flipped to Republicans in key states. Guess we'll see how it goes with an entirely Republican government in 2025-26, can't blame Dems for the fuck ups this time of something goes sideways.

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bunker_man@reddit

can't blame Dems for the fuck ups this time of something goes sideways.

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peckx063@reddit

They can only do it if they're within a margin for the cheating to be feasible. If you have a county of 1 million people you might be able to fabricate 100k extra votes without it being an impossible result, but you can't do much more than that. So in years you are down 80k you can pull it out but in years where you are down 150k your cheating doesn't help you.

If the democrats 2020 jump had been legitimate, they wouldn't have seen a fall back to the 2016 baseline.

applepumper@reddit

Just think about the state of politics in 2020. The media had a stranglehold on us during Covid pushing negative trump narratives almost every day. Literally made Election Day feel like doomsday. That was enough motivation to push more Americans to vote.

For this election we kinda just arrived here. Kamala had zero steam. Not enough people cared

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cc81@reddit

Isn't it weird how Trump suddenly got 11 million more votes? Same candidate as before.

Voting results tends to be stable.

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So you claim this was to make it believable despite you at a glance insisting it's not believable without any knowledge of the stats involved?

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Basedandtendiepilled@reddit

The ratio was made to be believable, not the absolute number of votes.

Dems couldn't have picked someone else without giving up the Biden campaign finance war chest.

ahamel13@reddit

Voting against an unpopular president is absolutely not enough to justify a 25% spike in votes for one election cycle, and then a nearly equivalent drop despite that same exact unpopular president running again.

Ah yes because Joe Biden was better than obongo and Harris by almost 20m votes

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zZCycoZz@reddit

Though the only evidence of this claim is from the guy who lost the election and had a vested interest.

youremomgay420@reddit

You’re in r/4chan. At least 90% of these people speak without thinking. Assume everything is complete BS unless given evidence showcasing otherwise

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peckx063@reddit

Because there's an upper limit to how many fake votes you can have based on the population of an area you are faking. If you have 100k people and 60k actually vote you only have like 20k to play with to make a reasonable result. If the margin is greater than 20k your cheating can't help you.

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That_Guy381@reddit

Then why did Biden win Philly by smaller margins than Hillary in 2016? Wouldn’t your theory require Biden to win high population centers like Philly by larger margins?

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peckx063@reddit

Percentage margin doesn't matter. Look at the raw totals. Hillary won Philly by 455k. Biden won Philly by 471k. Obviously if you are going to pump your number you will have to give back some to the opponent. That's why it can go unnoticed, it just looks like increased turnout with the same or even slightly lesser margins. But you're after the improvement in raw totals and any additional votes even at a 51-49 spread helps.

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That_Guy381@reddit

Obviously if you are going to pump your number you will have to give back some to the opponent.

Why is this "obvious"? Can't you just say that you turned out your own voters, or converted some of Trump's voters?

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peckx063@reddit

Well think about what you would do if you wanted to cheat to gain 50k ballots in an area like Philadelphia that normally breaks 6:1 for democrats. Would you just add 50k ballots and have a result that doesn't follow historical trends? Or would you add 60k for your candidate and 10k for the opposition so it breaks exactly the same? Or better yet add 70k for yourself and 20k for your opposition so your opponent actually did better by percentage? All 3 accomplish the same thing (+50k votes) but the latter options are much more obfuscated.

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That_Guy381@reddit

Would you just add 50k ballots and have a result that doesn't follow historical trends? Or would you add 60k for your candidate and 10k for the opposition so it breaks exactly the same?

This has never, ever happened in a presidential election in US history, but I'll play your hypothetical. What makes you think that "historical trends" means anything? Hillary Clinton won Elliot County, KY in 2016. Trump won it 80%-20% this year. Does that mean that Trump cheated in Kentucky because it totally goes against the "historical trend"?

the latter options are much more obfuscated.

Disagree, because adding an extra 70,000 voters that don't even exist to the pool is more obviously fraud than an extra 50,000 voters, even if they all voted the same way.

But none of this happened in the first place, and you have zero evidence to point that it did.

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peckx063@reddit

70k turnout can be explained when you have an excuse like new rules due to a pandemic allowing for additional avenues to vote which in turn allows for increased total votes. Furthermore once the turnout has been cheated one time, that establishes a baseline of normalcy that won't be questioned. If you got away with adding 70k votes in insert any election, you would then have carte blanche to add at least 70k votes to that pool for every election going forward in perpetuity, because it's been established that that many votes is indeed possible.

You would only know if this has or hasn't happened if someone got caught doing it so stfu trying to declare that this hasn't happened or couldn't happen.

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That_Guy381@reddit

You would only know if this has or hasn't happened if someone got caught doing it

Has anyone been caught doing this? This sounds like a complex, moving operation with a ton of people doing a lot of things. Not a single whistleblower? Do you have a news story I could look at?

Of course you don't, you're just making this all up!

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peckx063@reddit

Of course I am lol. You started this by asking for an explanation for why one election might have hypothetically been riggable but the next one is not. And I'm telling you the explanation would be that if there is rigging, that rigging has an apparatus, and that apparatus is going to have an upper limit of what it can achieve (most notably total feasible votes), and if the real margins are above that upper limit, then that rigging apparatus has been rendered insufficient. The spread at which one side won was too big to rig.

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jamesd1100@reddit

It’s not about size of anything

The Democrats had COVID to justify drastic changes to voting rules in the immediate run up to the election like loosening registration requirements and extending deadlines for absentee ballots

No pandemic, no justification for a bunch of bullshit rule changes

That is LITERALLY what happened

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That_Guy381@reddit

Okay, but that’s not cheating, nor is that what Trump is complaining about.

Trump says that they created thousands of ballots out of thin air. Why didn’t they do that this time?

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jamesd1100@reddit

Rigging the rules of an election and blatantly fabricating ballots are simply not the same thing

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That_Guy381@reddit

Why would you say the rules were rigged? Why are states not allowed to change rules in response to a crisis? Would you say that North Carolina changing their voting rules to allow citizens in counties affected by Hurricane Helene to vote in precincts elsewhere in the state rigged the election for Trump?

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jamesd1100@reddit

If I gerrymander a district to hell in order to improve my chances of winning an election, it is effectively cheating

Same goes for mailing unrequested ballots to every resident of every major city in every swing state, extended deadlines for those ballots, and loosening ID and voter registration requirements

A group like the Democrats, which has a higher propensity to vote via these ballots, or lack ID, or not register to vote, inherently gain an advantage as a result of these rule changes

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That_Guy381@reddit

Same goes for mailing unrequested ballots to every resident of every major city in every swing state, extended deadlines for those ballots, and loosening ID and voter registration requirements

This didn't happen.

But every single swing state universally putting in measures that the majority of the country did not need? Yeah, calling bullshit

Source desperately needed. I think you're misremembering what happened exactly.

Florida processed their vote in a couple hours in the same pandemic that it took Arizona and PA weeks to process under the guise of “postal service delays”

BarrelStrawberry@reddit

Trump wasn't nearly as popular in 2020.

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shady_sama@reddit

idk about this conspiracy theory but probably due to lockdowns?

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That_Guy381@reddit

You all are just spitballing and seeing what sticks to the wall at this point

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greasydickfingers@reddit

Wait you guys actually believe this? I thought it was just a meme

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Alkyline_Chemist@reddit

> Too big to rig this time.

Source? Source? Source?

Do you have a source on that?

Source?

A source. I need a source.

Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.

No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.

You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.

Do you have a degree in that field?

A college degree? In that field?

Then your arguments are invalid.

No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.

Correlation does not equal causation.

CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.

You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.

Nope, still haven't.

I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.

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That_Guy381@reddit

This would be a valid argument if a single person gave me single thing to back up literally anything they are saying but they refuse to. Cute copypasta tho

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RedOtta019@reddit

People found out their parents whom died recently cause covid were finding that their relatives were using their vote. It happened here and there but as said, prolly not enough for it to matter.

I'm not saying that. what I'm saying is, Trump was in an economic war with China which would've continued if he was reelected. Democrats needed something BIG to stop a president from getting his second term.

then Covid hits and now democrats have an excuse to change many long-standing rules regarding elections.

Biden is elected with 75m votes. then, somehow 17m of those votes vanish in the span of 4 years...

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dotamonkey24@reddit

Christ the world must be a confusing place when you’re this schizo

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Many_SuchCases@reddit

That's not really a good counter-argument. Let me ask you, where did the 17m votes go then? Was is because the democrats forgot "literally Hitler" was running again or because Joe didn't have his amazing campaign this time around? I don't have much skin in this, I think both candidates are awful, but when 17m people just randomly start and then stop voting, it's odd. Especially when taken in context of all the other years, and the counting chaos on election night.

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GothmogTheOrc@reddit

Because if their daily lives are shit, people are motivated to vote out the current administration, or at the very least won't bother to go out and vote.

I think we can all agree that the last few years have been fairly shit on several levels, thus the low turnout for the Dems.

Note that I'm not from the US so I cannot comment on their quality of life nor how it evolved, but it's logical. The same thing happened in 2020 when Trump got voted out after Covid.

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dotamonkey24@reddit

Or it’s really just not that odd and you’re a schizo.

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ChaseballBat@reddit

What rules did they change?

Oh, so the Democrats released Covid to rig the election in 2020? That’s the line you’re going with?

Keep in mind this deal was already penned under biden and even approved by israel but it didn't materialize.

Reminds me of the time Iran took American hostages and Jimmy Carter lost the election coz of his inability to get them back.

Up until the day of the election iran was like "were never releasing these mfkrs"

And exactly three minutes after Regan was sworn in, they released the hostages.

If there's a breakthrough no side wants to waste it on a party that's losing trust and popularity. They're holding off to get on the new White House's good side.

Screenshot this comment. There will be a ceasefire, Saudi will step in, Hamas won't be allowed to rear its head.

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Expert-Accountant780@reddit

They also hate minorities

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officesuppliestext@reddit

everyone got mail in ballots because of the pandemic, which increased voting.

You will not see a (worrying) significant drop in four days when everything is tallied, just an adjustment for the people who decided not to vote for one of many perfectly valid reasons.

In the meantime, buy a fucking calculator.

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Duoshot@reddit

I'm not reading this but it sounds like you're about to cry.

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PrivilegeCheckmate@reddit

Of course you aren't reading it. If you could read you'd be so embarrassed

party as a demographic?

whatever.

that and some areas forces you into a party when you register (you dont get to pick)

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jeijeogiw7i39euyc5cb@reddit

Cool it with the antisemitic remarks

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bots

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DarkDragon200610@reddit

So many bots

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Msimot@reddit

a friend living in the US told me he believes the republicans "helped" (wink-wink) biden win in 2020 to try to get trump out of politics and in jail, essentially getting rid of him forever. the problem was the dems flopped extremely hard and in return reps where like "k, plan B. lets lean full power on trump again to try and get as rich as possible, even if it means going full on backwards intellectually and societally"

idk im not american

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leongtfo@reddit

Breaking news: Cemeteries nationwide are reporting protests of the US presidential election.

In a shocking turn of events, we don't think Democrats will get the dead people demographic this year.

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