worse aim than my ranked teammates

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Stolen_Sky@reddit

120 yards with no scope.

Pretty tough shot.

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Aromatic-Ad9428@reddit

Pretty easy shot if you're trying to hit center mass. Pretty stupid shot to take at the president.

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Not as tough as it sounds. The lowest setting on almost every rifle sight assembly since smokeless powder, is 100m. That actually makes it one of the easiest shots because if you're any closer, you're gonna have to do a little mental math to make up the difference.

If the rifle is made to modern standards and properly zeroed, there's no good reason it can't hit a target at 120. Skill issue frankly

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aightbit@reddit

We shoot 300 meters (328 yards) in the army on human sized torso targets with iron sights only. It's not that big of a deal.

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TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit

Honestly I prefer iron sights, if they're any good

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aightbit@reddit

I never shot with a scope, so I can't tell. But I can imagine that it can actually hinder you.

It was a SIG 550, I like the iron sights. Has different options for different ranges too.

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TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit

Good scopes are probably good. I like iron sights though

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Totally_Normal_Bee@reddit

Why didnt he bring a scope then?

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ILLmaticErnie@reddit

Biden fucked up the economy so bad assassins can’t afford scopes anymore smh

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Lysa665@reddit

This guy was assassin without the “assin” tho

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sanesociopath@reddit

Lol and when they do they can't afford to get ones that mount correctly.

The golf course attempt guy had his taped on

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H0LY_seVen@reddit

💀

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HerbLoew@reddit

Because rifle is fine, comrade

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nikodelta@reddit

had a scope, just not magnified. Either he's really smart and tought the glint would alert his position, or he's stupid.

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motivated_mp4@reddit

Kid had a cheap ass AR with a shitty red dot that was supposedly only kind of attached. It's door number 2

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kfkjhgfd@reddit

1x holosun with a DPMS panther

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rigorcorvus@reddit

Panther arms. No bueno

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snotpopsicle@reddit

Mfer was in plain sight. Multiple people spotted him, and the gun, and tried to alert police/secret service. We all know which one it is.

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Jolttra@reddit

I think we all know the answer to that question.

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PBLESACTUN@reddit

Is he stupid?

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Stolen_Sky@reddit

Don't ask me, I didn't know him

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CallousCarolean@reddit

Who tf needs a magnified optic to hit a target at 110m/120 yards while laying down? Lol no it isn’t a tough shot. Absolute skill issue.

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Gloomweaver10@reddit

Not if you've ever fired a gun before. Sub 300yd on a human sized target and he missed by what, 50ft? Good lord. That's just called being a terrible shot

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duckfucker99@reddit

50ft? He missed by 5 cm

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Gloomweaver10@reddit

Yeah I meant the spread was insanely bad, but didn't communicate that very well. You're right though, the first was definitely closer than 50ft, since it drew blood and everything

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DaciaWhippin@reddit

Anyone who even semi regularly goes to the range could do that. I was able to hit 100 no problem with irons after owning my first gun for like 3 months.

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SadJoetheSchmoe@reddit

Nah.

300 is a tough shot.

It is surprising he missed, imo, but the real miracle is how he got so damn close in the first place.

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Yuri909@reddit

It's so fucking easy a caveman could do it. I taught my gf to shoot better in less than 10 minutes.

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Stolen_Sky@reddit

Shooting on a range is one thing. But shooting at a Presidential candidate, knowing you're about to receive counter-fire from police snipers?

Your hands wouldn't be shaking even a little?

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Yuri909@reddit

You're literally in one of the most supported positions. The kid sucked. He was literally so bad that he was kicked off his school's shooting team.

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komali_2@reddit

you sound confident why don't you take a crack at it

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Yuri909@reddit

I'm a long-distance marksman who can hit steel half silhouettes at 300 with irons and 700 yards with my scope on my SCAR. But I like living.

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komali_2@reddit

But I like living.

pussy

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Yuri909@reddit

Best part of living.

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philkiks@reddit

Hold the fuck up, school shooting team? Not archery or biatlon, straight up shooting?

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REAPERZ32@reddit

The school that shoots back...

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Yuri909@reddit

Dude took legit the biggest L ever. Kid died the disgrace of the shooting team lmao.

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PM_ME_YOUR_CAT_VID@reddit

Not with practice.

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sanesociopath@reddit

Except it's kinda not

If you have any experience with your rifle you can make that shot

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whydoyouevenreadthis@reddit

How?

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le_fancy_walrus@reddit

You gotta jump and spin off the roof to do a proper no scope...this is basic knowledge.

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DrProfSrRyan@reddit

Y-Y Ladder Shot or it doesn't count

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elliotcook10@reddit

Mom get the camera!!

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Aggressive-Army-406@reddit

Only valid if it's in combination with at least a 360.

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jfuss04@reddit

It's not really, not at a human sized target with a rifle.

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C_Werner@reddit

He had a red dot. That isn't a difficult shot prone even without optics.

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Churro1912@reddit

That's a stupidly easy shot tbh, nerd just can't shoot for shit.

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seguracookies@reddit

Kid was adrenaline dumping and shaking like a leaf. That's why the shot was tough, not the distance or no scope. I could nail a dime at 120 99/100 with an AR and an optic. There's a timeline out there where Trump got gotted, though, and I'm glad I'm not in it.

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MrCockingFinally@reddit

Tough sure, but doable for a competent shooter on a human sized target that is standing still.

Especially since you have a semi-automatic rifle with low recoil and can fire 3-4 rounds in rapid succession.

From footage, it looked like he fired one round, waited and saw trump was ok, then fired wildly.

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FishICanWalk@reddit

If you think 120 yrd shot with a red dot against a man built like a fridge is a tough shot than your a bad shot

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tsoneyson@reddit

100m rifle prone? No it's not lol

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Div1n@reddit

He had a bloody optic, just not magnified jfc he couldn't even be assed to gear up right.

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jasonfortys@reddit

Wanker

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jasonfortys@reddit

Tough shoot for a child maybe

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dead-inside69@reddit

He was prone with a red dot. It really wasn’t if he took his time and didn’t panic like a moron,

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wine_coconut@reddit

This lad made a fucking hero out of Trump.

That picture of him bleeding and holding his fist up with the US flag in the background goes so hard. No one can deny that.

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Popular_Law_948@reddit

I hate the guy, but you're not wrong at all. As soon as I saw that picture I knew where we'd go from there.

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wine_coconut@reddit

Even if he did manage to kill Trump, he'd have made a martyr out of him

Bad move all over lol

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Captain_Pumpkinhead@reddit

I dunno. I think it would have fragmented the base as everyone tries and fails to claim Trump's spot. No one can really replace Trump because very few aside from Trump believe their own bullshit.

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Toocoo4you@reddit

Martyr of what though? Generally martyrs have one specific idea that they are known for (eg. MLK and racism, Che Guevara and anti-corporate exploitation). Trump doesn’t have an overarching idea other than ‘MAGA’, and you can’t be a martyr for an entire political party.

Also, if people cared enough to have a civil war over trump being whacked, they already would’ve started the war when the attempt happened.

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pm-ur-tiddys@reddit

Martyr for the Republican party. I would argue that “maga” is a cause for at least 72 million people.

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Normal_Helicopter_22@reddit

Martyr against the bad politicians who just want to keep destroying the US.

In Argentina the previous government before Milei, was airing in all TV stations (mostly controller by the socialists) commercials about how people will be killed, organs will be bought and sold, weapons will flush the system, all if Milei won. At some point each time you paid for a bus or subway ticket, the machine displayed a message saying "the ticket will cost $5000 if Milei wins"

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Xeniamm@reddit

Todo bien, pero nadie es socialista en Argentina.

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Normal_Helicopter_22@reddit

Uh? The love for Cuba, Russia and Che Guevara is just market profit right?

Price control by the government almost 50% of the population on welfare and living thanks to dady Peron, what is that then?

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Martim_Weeb@reddit

That's a welfare state? None of that is socialism as I'm aware of I don't know about you, but a social democrat government isn't a socialist one Ah and yes, supporting Russia is socialism, because Russia is socialist obviously Dunno what is meant by love for Cuba here, but not that I care much, fucking Argentinian.

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Xeniamm@reddit

It's just an strategic marketing ploy to get more votes. It's not socialism, it's a failed, corrupt government doing everything they can to stay on top. Milei did the same thing but to the right-wing demographic.

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Normal_Helicopter_22@reddit

Oh, cmon, what are you going to say, that it was not "real socialism" and that is why it didn't make argentina a superpower. I imagine that we are going to have a new power house country any time soon with Venezuela, or that is not real socialism then?

Corrupt government is always the same. These types of people just want to perpetuate in power forever. The most obvious thing is how they have their secret "police" to keep an eye on people, or violent mobs ready to act on companies that don't want to obey.

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Xeniamm@reddit

I'm not saying that socialism is good or that real socialism would make any country a superpower, I'm just saying that Argentina is not truly socialist (I don't think Venezuela is either). Nazis were "national-socialists" and it was just a tagline to appeal to workers and left-wing demographics, similar to what Venezuela's government does.

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Normal_Helicopter_22@reddit

Your best example would be Stalin or Mussolini, those are the ideas that late Peron, then Kirchner and Maduro, have been using all along.

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BishopFrog@reddit

Get your ass back on OSRS and farm gold for a wage.

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Xeniamm@reddit

That sounds like a dream job tbh

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paco-ramon@reddit

One of the reason Trump won the Latino vote that was that he endorsed the very popular Milei and Bukele while Biden did nothing to stop Maduro to declare himself president after losing the elections, the last thing a guy who had to escape Venezuela or Cuba wants is a candidate that resembles what he had back home.

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ZealousidealState214@reddit

You really thought of Che Guevara and your first thought was... "anti corporate greed"🤨

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DarthHead43@reddit

against logic

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n_Serpine@reddit

Racism seems fitting in this case.

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ReallyDumbRedditor@reddit

Yeah but then Kamala would have won by default. Making America the utopia it's supposed to be.

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FVCEGANG@reddit

Would've been preferable to this honestly. Kamala Would've beaten vance no doubt. Now we are fucked with a psychotic manchild in power once again. Our country is beyond fucked for the simple fact he won at all. America as we used to know it is long dead at this point...

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LagiaDOS@reddit

It didn't die during 16-20.

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Ensvey@reddit

that was before he started gushing over dictators, caused people to storm the capital because he didn't want to lose power, said he'd be dictator day 1, said we'd never have to vote again, and had a supreme court that granted him complete immunity for official acts. He's a dictator now. it is what it is.

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FVCEGANG@reddit

It did. The death of america started when MAGA brought all of the worst people and neo Nazi's out from the woodwork. Its only gotten worse since then...

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Munnin41@reddit

Lots of Americans did though

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crouching_dragon_420@reddit

They're mostly boomers so we dont care

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Munnin41@reddit

And you wonder why they hate younger generations...

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Munnin41@reddit

And you wonder why they hate younger generations...

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Ensvey@reddit

I dunno, the expression "democrats fall in love, republicans fall in line" seems appropriate here. The right would have voted for whoever their party put forth, in the same amount, and the dems weren't in love with Kamala so they didn't show up.

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Swagamemn0n@reddit

Don't forget the high probability of a civil war ennsuing

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L003Tr@reddit

Anyone unstable enough to try that probably isn't thinking through the consequences tbh

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Popular_Law_948@reddit

100%

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Beowolf736@reddit

Yeaaaa people love a good story.

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doyouunderstandlife@reddit

Tbf, I think Trump wins anyway. Kamala just wasn't a candidate that people wanted. Democrats fucked up trying to force a clearly senile Biden to run at first when they should have just forced him out and done a full primary. Instead they just settled on Kamala

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ArrakeenSun@reddit

She only got to run half a campaign, there just wasn't time to craft a platform and get the messaging out. Never mind that her interviews could have gone much better

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MyMomNeverNamedMe@reddit

True! She was a virtual unknown! Like where did she come from!!?! Oh... she was VP the last 4 years? Ah, heck!

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SanguisFluens@reddit

She ran a whole campaign in the 2020 primaries, nobody wanted her. 15 million fewer Democratic voters than last election showed up. The only people who supported her were gonna vote blue no matter who. Nobody else liked her.

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ReallyDumbRedditor@reddit

Reddit really made it seem like she was the most perfect, qualified, and amazing candidate ever lol

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ICoraxI@reddit

Welcome to the left wing echo chamber called reddit

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paco-ramon@reddit

Kamala got worse results than Biden in all territories, the problem wasn’t the message, the problem is that the people saying the message wouldn’t even be the top 5 most voted candidate in a democrat primary.

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doyouunderstandlife@reddit

A short campaign likely did hurt her, but even then, I don't think she's a popular enough candidate to compete with someone who has a near cult-like following that Trump does.

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sir_snufflepants@reddit

No time? She was Vice President and running mate of Biden.

Interview could have gone better? She’s a goddam DA and trial attorney — and Vice President. If she was unable to speak and persuade and establish her views — despite her enormous experience in doing so in court and in public and in her professional life — then there was something wrong that was more fundamental.

Stop making excuses. It’s pathetic and unhelpful.

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Wont_Forget_This_One@reddit

If a candidate is fresh from serving 4 years as VP and they need a full campaign for voters to know who they are and what they stand for then they were a useless or bad VP. Being an incumbent is a ridiculously strong campaign advantage for anyone that was successful or competent.

Other than being more well known as an ex prosecutor that awkwardly laughs at everything and having a D next to her name on the ballot, what did she do to earn respect from her party in 4 years? I'd argue that Michelle Obama had more impact as a First Lady than Harris did as a VP.

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Pass_us_the_salt@reddit

This 1000 times. Whatever group thought that having Biden run again was a good idea shot the dems in the foot. No one actually liked Biden, they hated Trump. But you can't run solely on hating Trump after 4 years of economic trouble.

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ShortTheseNuts@reddit

Politics aside I would actually argue that it is the greatest picture ever taken. The symphony of circumstances that had to align for it to be that good are actually insane. The wind, the flag, the photographer placement, no sun, the bullet just missing, it's actually crazy. Couldn't be redone.

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paco-ramon@reddit

In an alternative universe, he killed Trump because he moved slightly to the right, in this one he made him president.

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Antique-Vermicelli-6@reddit

no it was him serving fries at mcdonalds

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kawaiikhezu@reddit

These days the photographers take better shots than assassins

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flancanela@reddit

i wish he didnt miss but damn is that a good pic

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KirinoKo@reddit

That picture definitely needs to be in future history books.

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Error-Code404@reddit

It looks pretty ridiculous if you open your fucking mind and see it for what it really was a played out farce

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wine_coconut@reddit

Even if it is, the picture goes hard.

I never said I support Trump. I'd have said the same if it was Harris or Biden in that scenario.

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Equira@reddit

His secret service was so dorky-looking and incompetent compared to the sheer badassery that was present when Reagan got shot

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ColdIceZero@reddit

He bled, so that means he got hit, right?

...has anyone seen his ear since he was hit?

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MentalRise8703@reddit

I agree with you lol

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MrCockingFinally@reddit

Headshots are for COD.

If you really want to kill a MFer, you mag dump centre mass.

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Th0rizmund@reddit

Tell that to Kennedy

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Personal-Barber1607@reddit

Crazy assassination attempt humanized him+ that picture was the greatest post assassination attempt photo of all time with the American flag and the blood.

Honestly crooks probably got him those points in Pennsylvania

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MrCockingFinally@reddit

Yeah, with an assassination, you must either succeed, or not try at all. Half assing it is not an option.

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CrispyJelly@reddit

Half assing an assassination makes it an assination and that's not even a word.

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Budgerigar17@reddit

That didn't help Robert Fico's shooter lol

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MrCockingFinally@reddit

Can't get 'em all.

Also, Fico's guy hit him with 3/5 shots at close range. So skill issue.

Also, article didn't say, but doesn't look like Fico's guy used hollow points.

If this is the case, also skill issue.

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chenik_bo@reddit

They should make full auto .50 cal

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Dale_Wardark@reddit

Well let me introduce you to the Browning M2, or the Ma Deuce as she's affectionately called. She's a 50 caliber machine gun that's been around since the mid 1920s and used in every American conflict since then. Besides some major upgrades around WWII she's pretty much the same system she's been since her inception and fires the .50cal Browning Machine Gun (BMG) cartridges. It's been used as an aircraft gun and also mounted on everything from pickup trucks to warships to tanks. It can be deployed by infantry on the ground as well, almost always on a tripod or a defensive mount for anti-infantry, anti-materiel, and anti-aircraft uses.

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BanzaiKen@reddit

The Deuce is probably the only weapon on Earth that has killed infantry, aircraft, tanks and ships.

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EddieDildoHands@reddit

88 flak has entered the chat

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BanzaiKen@reddit

Ooh good point.

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AuroraHalsey@reddit

Dual purpose naval guns have probably killed all of those.

20, 37 and 40mm aircraft cannons too.

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MrCockingFinally@reddit

John Moses Browning is sad.

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Haschlol@reddit

Why? He split the goddamn sea

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CosmoMomen@reddit

Because it’s a fucking machine gun! A. MACHINE. GUN.

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Vov113@reddit

Do you know what the MG in .50 BMG stands for? Machine gun. That is literally the rounds intended purpose. It doesn't make a particularly good sniper round either, the .50 AM rifles are really for breaking comms equipment and engine blocks, not shooting people

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sputnik67897@reddit

What you mean like the M2 Browning machine gun that's been in use since WW2?

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Gupta_Gupti_Gupta@reddit

Use it when Donald Trump turns into a dinosaur??

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Scottish_Whiskey@reddit

Does this count?

https://fxtwitter.com/moviemusicals/status/1853182982028234888?s=46

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Gupta_Gupti_Gupta@reddit

.50 cal ain’t gonna cut it anymore, bring out the Bolter

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Paehon@reddit

The Heavy Bolter

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LurksInThePines@reddit

A lot of dinosaurs could tank a 50.

I concur with the Bolter guy

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KapitanKaczor@reddit

you're about 91 years late

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Phendrana-Drifter@reddit

Ma Deuce would like a word

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Foodconsumer3000@reddit

guess what? it already exists

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RandomMexicanDude@reddit

almost 100 years old

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Gavin4tor@reddit

A-10 goes brrrrrrr

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Churro1912@reddit

Are you dropped as a baby?

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XbdudeX@reddit

What did he say?

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Churro1912@reddit

A10 goes brrr

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Foodconsumer3000@reddit

"A-10 go BRRRRT"

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nandru@reddit

*were

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Platrims@reddit

☝️🤓

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Victornf41108@reddit

Ever heard of the M2 browning?

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sanesociopath@reddit

The plan was for the JFK picture.

Remember the photo where you see thr bullet flying just after it grazed him?

Now imagine that photo if it was a brain splattering headshot

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Oppopity@reddit

Yeah if you're going for a political assassination you have to go for the headshot. You don't wanna be the guy that killed a president by mag dumping centre mass. You'll go down as a clown for the history books.

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Personal-Barber1607@reddit

Better then not killing them and going down as a failure

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ZombieAlienNinja@reddit

Stop I'll cum.

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SirLimonada@reddit

Trump probably wears bullet proof vest

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MrCockingFinally@reddit

He does now. Back then? Maybe not.

Plus you'd need a level III vest for 556. That's pretty bulky, plus, multiple shots still might penetrate it if the grouping is close enough.

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Dimatrix@reddit

Level 3 plates are absolutely not bulky. I have worn one under a suit before

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BobDylansBasterdSon@reddit

They're definitely visible, unless it's a very loose fitting suit, or a very small plate.

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Tiruin@reddit

He's also old and in really poor health, could the internal trauma be enough?

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magusx17@reddit

Yeah, it was traumatic, but imagine how he must feel now. He came back and beat down Kamala for the White House. What a power play

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Tiruin@reddit

I meant physical trauma, bullet proof vests dissipate the force not absorb it so you still get bruises.

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antibannannaman@reddit

I mean you also gotta remember plates only protect vital organs so if he was hit from the side through the arm, even while wearing level iii esapis, he would’ve died.

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xArcheo@reddit

He was out there camo grinding IRL.

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Petie_27@reddit

Bro doesn’t know what an M2 Browning is💀

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FreshDiabetes@reddit

JFK would like a word

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MrCockingFinally@reddit

They just don't make assassins and mass shooters like they used to.

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Apart-Arachnid1004@reddit

A police officer actually saved Trump's life during that rally

The dude was the first one who realized a shooter was up there because he was climbing up the ladder of the same building the shooter was. The shooter heard him though and while he was still climbing, the shooter held him at gunpoint and told him to go down.

The police officer made the shooter even more nervous and caused him to rush his shot because he realized that he already lost the element of surprise once the cop got down.

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crunchyboobs@reddit (OP)

widowmaker wouldn’t have missed

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Wild-Lavishness01@reddit

He's already a widower so she couldn't do anything to him

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AWeirdMartian@reddit

Watch Trump completely fuck the war in Ukraine up, making them surrender to Russia. If that ends up happening, then this kid could've saved an entire nation.

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Happystabber@reddit

“Watch Trump completely fuck the war in u Ukraine up.”

You mean end it? What a disgusting thing to say.

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StrawberryWide3983@reddit

End the war, how? By appeasing an aggressor nation? By giving away land and hoping they don't ask for more? We tried that with Mustache Man in the 30s, and it never works because they'll never stop unless forced to

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Happystabber@reddit

They should have held a UN verified election in the annexed regions years ago. I imagine the Trump administration is going to request something similar.

Ukraine doesn’t need another Trillion dollars, the war can end and they can start paying back their debt.

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ruggerb0ut@reddit

If Russia took Alaska, I bet you wouldn't be pissing your pants waiting for a "UN verified election".

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Happystabber@reddit

Russia isn’t taking any US soil.

They should let the annexed regions vote. End the war in a week.

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ruggerb0ut@reddit

"end the war in a week"

Oh yeah, if only they couldn't just have a simple vote, then Putin and Zelensky could be skipping through a field of daffodils, singing kumbaya together.

How delusional can you be? Putin wants all of Ukraine, even if a vote could work, which it wouldn't, then what makes you think either side would ever respect the results? Or even agree to have a vote in the first place? What makes you think the war wouldn't just start up again almost immediately?

Literally all you're achieving is sending the message to Putin that basically what he wants and eventually the west will concede.

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Happystabber@reddit

This is going to turn into a modern Vietnam, give Putin the annexed regions and call it a day. Russia is already doing whatever they want.

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ruggerb0ut@reddit

If we give them the annexed regions, why the hell would they want to stop there? They might as well consolidate then take a few more regions when their forces are back to full strength.

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Happystabber@reddit

What’s your alternative? Should we never commit to a peace treaty because either side could break it? That is disheartening to hear.

This is the best chance to end the war, unless you want to keep seeing thousands of innocent people die for patches of mud and natural gas fields in Eastern Europe?

A peaceful resolution is the best way out, I’m disgusted by the downvotes and war mongering that everyone here seems to support. NATO and the US overstepped and made tensions boil over by their gross overextension into Russias neighbouring states. The US is the only country who can end it peacefully, disturbing you would rather see poor people fight to the death in trenches for the next decade.

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Siul19@reddit

It was so smart to let Hitler conquer anything he wanted at the start of WW2, let's see it again now with Putin

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Happystabber@reddit

Hitler didn’t have nuclear bombs and the Wests largest trade partner for an ally.

This isn’t WW2, direct war with Russia would destroy this planet. Quit acting like military intervention is the answer here.

If you want to go the WW2 route we can turn Moscow into Dresden 2.0? What is 2 Million more civilian casualties in the grand scheme of things anyways! /s

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StrawberryWide3983@reddit

Nations are free to voluntarily enter and leave NATO. I wonder why so many countries next to Russia have willingly joined NATO over the years after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. It probably has nothing to do with Russia's own history of warmongering and imperialism.

Russia is also free to end the war any time they want. All they have to do is pack up and go back home

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Happystabber@reddit

I wish life was as simple as Russia packing up and going home! We both know that is not going to happen.

I wish they would, trust me, but continuing to support this war the way we are is not sustainable for the West or Ukraine.

Russia is probably going to hold onto what they have taken over so far. I can’t see the sense of throwing more young men and women into the meat grinder for borders that are younger than a bottle of whiskey I own.

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ruggerb0ut@reddit

NATO and the US overstepped and made tensions boil over by their gross overextension into Russias neighbouring states.

Russia overstepped when they started a war of aggression against a sovereign country, Vatnik.

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klonkish@reddit

A country that they were supposed to protect when they gave them their nukes, too

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klonkish@reddit

this obvious russian shill joined reddit days before the invasion began

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Happystabber@reddit

Jesus Christ you people have fucking lost it.

I can’t disagree with a total US invasion of Russia without me being apart of a Moldovan bot farm?

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shipsimfan@reddit

Where's this "total US invasion of Russia"? I think almost nobody supports that, so why bring it up? The only reason I can think of is that you thought it would be an effective strawman to distract from the fact you're a Russian shill

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Happystabber@reddit

Look at PlsDontPmMes comment….

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klonkish@reddit

I can’t disagree with a total US invasion of Russia

The person you replied to didn't imply this at all, so why bring it up out of no where?

without me being apart of a Moldovan bot farm?

It is extremely strange, given the facts that Russian troll farms are a proven thing, that you've joined reddit days before their invasion began and are arguing for the world to give them another country's land.

Why would they stop invading countries if we allow them to benefit from them?

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Happystabber@reddit

Read the other comments bro lol

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klonkish@reddit

I am following the chain of comments that I've replied to.

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PlsDntPMme@reddit

By giving it to the people who tortured and murdered thousands of civilians that don't fall exactly into their line of thinking? Like, oh I don't know, force them to not speak their language or practice their religion? Policing their internet and rights?

Lol okay. You think Ukraine wouldn't be fighting if they didn't want to fight? This is the most ironic but actually believable thing to hear from the right. Rights and freedoms? Nah just pull down your pants and let yourself get fucked by the other person.

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Happystabber@reddit

I’m not American lol, you’ve lost the plot.

Call an election in the annexed regions, let the people vote on it.

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PlsDntPMme@reddit

How about all the annexed regions where citizens fled en masse like Mariupol? How can we trust elections from a country that flat manipulates their elections? To think that they'd actually respect any elections or democracy is hilarious and naive. Furthermore, how do we stop Russia from gearing up and going for a round two even if they did respect elections and put things on pause? We're dealing with a state actor that doesn't follow conventional logic.

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Happystabber@reddit

The UN will run the election and I’m sure Russia will respect the results. They want a way out of this too.

The alternative is we are locked in a trillion dollar proxy war for the next 20 years? How many more people have to die before your war fetish is satisfied?

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klonkish@reddit

They want a way out of this too

lmao

they can simply retreat, but they don't

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Happystabber@reddit

They won’t retreat. That would destroy Putins image and he doesn’t mind paying the cost in lives and tariffs to keep this going.

They aren’t going to surrender, a peace treaty shouldn’t be this big taboo like everyone here suggests it is.

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klonkish@reddit

lol the only peace treaty Putin would accept is control of Ukraine territory. Do I really need to tell you why that's a bad thing?

They won’t retreat

So, unlike what you said, they don't want out of this. Got it.

Try to be less obvious, russian troll farm employee #1571691

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Happystabber@reddit

That’s what I have been arguing this entire time lol.

Russia won’t leave without gaining something and won’t retreat.

What do you think the next best course of action is? I’ll give you the 3 options we have talked about.

We either have an active European warzone for decades, stuck in a stalemate. Thousands more will die and be maimed for life.
Like the other person arguing with me suggests, the US can invade Russia, engage military targets and start the 3rd world war which will almost certainly result in the use of WMDs potentially damning the human race as we know it.
The begins good faith negotiations for a peace treaty and a war is stopped.

I genuinely want your input, I can’t see how anyone finds the idea of a treaty so egregious.

It is the most likely scenario. This isn’t a movie, the good guys don’t always win. Russia will most likely concede a portion of Ukrainian territory and resources but the war will end.

If we invested half of the resources we have fed to the war machine, Ukraine would be a powerhouse of European industry and a great place to live.

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klonkish@reddit

We either have an active European warzone for decades, stuck in a stalemate. Thousands more will die and be maimed for life.

That is the price to pay when defending your democracy from an illegitimate invasion.

The begins good faith negotiations for a peace treaty and a war is stopped

Good faith negotations with Russia are physically impossible, they will not settle for less than stolen Ukrainian land.

And why would that not encourage them to invade more countries as they would clearly benefit from doing so?

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PlsDntPMme@reddit

When was the last fucking time that Russia respected the UN? Buddy, they invaded a country, claimed it's land, denied their culture ever existed, tortured and killed the citizens, and committed untold war crimes and we reward them with... Getting to keep it? Do you not see the precedent this sets? Does this not feel similar to the Anschluss, to the partition of Poland? Tell me, what's stopping them from conquering more for the same reason in another five years?

Also fetish war? I'd love to hear you tell that to the Ukrainians who have lost family fighting against the literal definition of a fascist state. How about the families of those tortured and killed in Bucha? You act like you have the moral high road but you're ignoring the collective will of tens of millions of people whose lives are directly impacted by what happens here. They can decide their own future and we should support their decision instead of these half-ass things we've done.

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Happystabber@reddit

Russia has a permanent seat on the UN Security Council lol.

They are a part of the UN, they would be willing to work out a peace treaty through them.

I won’t argue that the UN is perfect, hell it might be the most powerless organization in the world, look at the genocide in Rwanda. Right now it seems to be the most probable means to a peaceful end.

What is your alternative? Let this war continue for decades? Why are you so against a peace treaty or an election? It’s digusting you are blinded by the military industrial complexes propaganda to keep thousands of poor people dying for the rich.

Give peace a chance boot licker.

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PlsDntPMme@reddit

How does their permanent seat and membership matter? That's not an argument at all. The UN declared Crimea to be Ukraine's sovereign territory and this didn't matter for shit to Russia.

My alternative is we push Russia to retreat. We give Ukraine the best equipment we can and we set a firm red line in the sand. We collectively enforce a no-fly zone. We shoot down their missiles. We completely and entirely cut them off from the world and stop making exceptions. We kick them out of our countries. We make them suffer until they kneel.

If you give Russia an inch then they'll take a mile. It doesn't stop. They're bullies and the only way to stop a bully is to beat the shit out of them.

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Happystabber@reddit

Did you seriously just suggested we engage Russian military targets?

You’re delusional.

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PlsDntPMme@reddit

Wow you really owned me there! You're delusional with a clear lack of knowledge of history or politics. You can live in your little fantasy land that people will just treat people nicely and follow the rules but the reality is in front of your face. It's not how it works.

The Soviet Union and Russian Empire spent a combined centuries being imperialist conquerors. The guy in charge now idolizes this history. You really think it'll just stop? Are you an idiot?

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Happystabber@reddit

You are arguing in favour of starting WW3…

That’s as delusional as it gets, you should be embarrassed by your ignorance.

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PlsDntPMme@reddit

No you're delusional thinking this is where it ends. Empire building is over or at least it should be and that's what we need to enforce. This is what leads to war. The empire building. That's what led to the last world war. You should be embarrassed by your lack of history. You're thinking so simply and so ideally.

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Happystabber@reddit

You are suggesting the US invade Russia and start WW3.

Don’t speak to me about delusion.

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ShreddyJim@reddit

Surely the strategy of appeasement will work this time right?

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ImTheZapper@reddit

End it by gifting the nation and zelensky on a silver platter to his leather daddy, you mean.

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Suspicious_Berry501@reddit

I doubt trump will live long enough to fuck up that much. So many people all ready want him dead there’s 0 chance he isn’t getting assassinated

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paco-ramon@reddit

Ukraine never had options to win unless western countries openly attacked Russia, for Russia is already a Pyrrhic victory, they won’t gain a lot of territory and they lost so many young men that their low birth rates will never allow them to do something at this scale again.

The other option is continuing the meat grinder until one of the two countries run out of men.

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ReallyDumbRedditor@reddit

Or cut a deal with Putin that he can't turn down, leading him to withdraw from Ukraine.

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MikeGianella@reddit

Nearly three years have passed and a lot of lives and money has been lost. They are in way too deep to pull back anytime soon.

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Dark074@reddit

I don't think so. If trump died someone else would replace him and get all the votes since Trump's the Martyr

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Stryker37@reddit

Lol he is the republican party at this point. The whole thing would go ass up if they had to focus on policy instead of his cult of personality.

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ComplicatedTragedy@reddit

Not like Ukraine has been firing west donated end-of-life weaponry into Russia for the last year or anything 🤷

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VirtualPantsu@reddit

Yeah it sucks that usa politics influence everyone world. I really hope that this clown will not destroy everything Ukrainians did up to this point

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Unlikely_Spinach@reddit

But then you have some people calling for the US to stop being the world police. We lose no matter what we do

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ImTheZapper@reddit

Those people don't understand geopolitics at all then, because any nation would fucking love to have that much soft and hard political power over everyone else.

Americans are just too fucking stupid to pick denmark or saudi arabia out on a map without google, so they don't understand how advantageous a position america has found itself in due to military expansionism.

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dotamonkey24@reddit

If you can’t see a distinction between those two frames of argument then you’re being ignorant or facetious.

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JoinAThang@reddit

Must be hard for you guys to never get away with anything bad you do. /s

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BAYKON8R@reddit

Look at Brandon Herrera's video on YouTube testing this. It was actually a difficult shot as he didn't have a scope, and the red dot was larger than trumps head at that distance.

Still an idiot for attempting that tho.

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_nzatar@reddit

It's okay, guys. theres still another 4 years left for another couple of attempts.

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JWsWrestlingMem@reddit

Enjoy prison.

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Im-a-bad-meme@reddit

This shit is why you practice at the damn range first.

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komali_2@reddit

If he'd succeeded JD vance probably still have won since kamala lost the shit out of this election

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natesplace19010@reddit

I doubt it. That guy is pretty unliked.

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_kazza@reddit

Idk about that, seems like Ol' Kamland Kam somehow managed to make about 20 million democrats sit at home. Even the couch enthusiast would've won against her.

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natesplace19010@reddit

Yeah but they didn’t come out for Obama term 2 or Hillary. Seems like 2020 was the fluke.

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jetjebrooks@reddit

theyre voting against the same person as in 2020 though. wonder what changed. as i dont think people loved biden more than kamala to make up that difference

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natesplace19010@reddit

I mean what changed? Nothing except the incumbent. 2020 was scary. Covid running rampant. People wanted a change. Same with now. Inflation is crazy, people can’t afford groceries, people want change.

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braden1118@reddit

Which is hilarious because why would they decide to reelect the dude who’s TAX CODE WE ARE STILL UNDER.

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Doddsey372@reddit

There but for the turn of the head.

Irrespective of politics, people should know that Trump's assassination would have been the worst timeline.

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Craiglekinz@reddit

mfw im shot

get cremated 10 days after I died without autopsy

thankfully my phone is impossible to open

I made sure to pick up all my dna from my apartment. Left no trace of me behind

parents randomly receive $4,000,000 from the CIA.

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Firemission13B@reddit

Probably would have helped kamala win if he didn't miss.

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Cabra42@reddit

Yeah, I'd bet killing the representative of the opposing party would help in some way. Just probably though.

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Firemission13B@reddit

Just a hunch

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JonPQ@reddit

Secret Service guys' was good though. Once they realised who they were and what their job was, they put a few holes on John Misses Both pretty quickly.

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notPlancha@reddit

Shots 1-5: Clearly missed. Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control). Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.

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kruschev246@reddit

I think Shot 12 was the police sniper

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southerngothics@reddit

america is #1 in gun violence and the 3 people that tried to set sights for trumps dome missed. america lost the love for the game man that’s terrible, i think everyone needs to come together and pool some prospective talents that are willing to take one for the team

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