Now I'm a complete idiot and ill be the one who hands you the grain of salt that should be give with any of my takes but I would guess that another Putin like person would rise to fill that vacuum. An environment like that breeds people who can navigate the right mixture of corruption, bribes, force, nationalism, etc.. I tried to look up the saying but I can't find it. It's something along the lines of the Russian economy that needs a certain percentage of corruption to thrive. So if Putin dies, they may back off Ukraine for X amount of years, but Russian history tends to come back around to "things are bad we need to blame someone for this. We can't blame the leaders in charge and expect to live long sssoooo...Ukraine again? Sure..."
As an AK connoisseur, even if every other type of ammo drops in price or stays the same I’m certain 76 2 x 39 definitely will not. I would be ecstatic to be wrong though.
The largest increase in new gun owners in recent years have been self-described liberals. A second Trump presidency is gonna make them come out in droves.
There's a whole world out there that you are not the center of.
I’m patient. It will stagnate in year 2-3 will probably spike hard again near end of his term as election fears happen again. Not necessarily my first rodeo. But there are many factors at play.
With general inflation ammo is pretty cheap nowadays. 24 cent US made 9mm online with free delivery isn't bad. Nothing is going back to 2010 prices unless fuel and food and labor prices collapse too.
No. Manufacturers JUST announced a price increase, the gun cotton supply is now even lower and material prices haven't gone down. Expect some good sales, but for prices to remain pretty much the same.
You'll see good clearance sales when they need to rotate stock. Probably not on the volume shit like 223 and 9mm but I bet they'll be good deals on like 243, '06 and the common magnums.
Im confused about what you think the word “tariff” means. Better get them investments in the rock hard stock market gains are going to be needed to offset the $10 bananas and the $1 a round 5.56 friend we taught companies we would eat price increases so they wont be absorbing the tariff costs on minerals or other items.
The level of dumbassery in the gun community is hilarious. The number of dumb trump supporters who have no clue how tariffs work is astounding. Prices are not coming down at all, they're going to go up the second trump starts his tariffs.
yup, less money to spend as well, and your getting less from it.
They think billionaires are on their side...musk/trump is going to try as hard as possible to roll back protections of the working class and pay you less....
Id like to see Russian bulk ammo again, even though the supply is probably dwindling from Ukraine. Hopefully he can get that situation resolved. This whole thing only started over NATO influence and we've done nothing but fan the flames.
Seriously wtf is even this arguement? Litteral Russian propaganda.
NATO had little to no influence in Ukraine, Ukraine was never going to be allowed into NATO. Who the fuck believes this shit? (Plenty of people it seems).
The biggest win for 2A may be what has been stated on The Four Boxes Dinner. It has been state at least two times that the court may take on more 2A cases if Trump won. Some of the court may take it as a mandate or at least as an approval to go forward with more cases and restoring more 2A rights.
We need Congress and Trump to pass the bill the was submitted to remove suppressors from the NFA.
If 7.62 import bans from several countries were removed maybe there would be less available for Russian and North Korean soldiers to use against Ukraine. /s
Now that Trump lost some of the liberals are actually thinking they better buy their first firearm to protect themselves from those that supported Trump. See below for examble.
Disagree with everyone here. If he can wrangle inflation, bring down gas prices, etc it WILL markedly have an effect on ammunition prices. If you can increase the value of the dollar itself you will have more buying power which means more ammo per dollar, even if the manufacturers hold.
I'd be surprised to not see ammo prices down 10% in the next year or 2.
If he can wrangle inflation, bring down gas prices, etc it WILL markedly have an effect on ammunition prices.
No it won't because the prices aren't based on any of those things. There is an actual shortage of materials. Nitrocellulose is what they make gunpowder from, and there isn't enough to go around. Bullets are coated in copper, and there isn't enough to go around. Reducing inflation and gas prices is going to have absolutely no effect on that.
Inflation is already down, almost a third lower than the long-term average. The money supply is already diluted. Ain't no way trump will want to introduce deflation. The stock market thrives on low interest rates.
Trump added $5tn to the national debt before COVID ever hit. Don't look for any sort of reduction either. Trump is going into his second term with a very friendly Congress. They aren't cutting shit.
Industries do create artificial shortages to raise prices though. They just don't maintain it for "long" term otherwise people get angry. But it usually ends up higher than previous prices even after coming down.
OPEC cuts oil production and oil prices take an elevator up.
Samsung, Micron reduced ram production in 2018 to double prices.
A lot of things that happened during COVID have "normalized" to an acceptable price which is where I think ammo prices are now. It is still higher than before but acceptable compared to COVID. Once people have accepted the price, there is no need to go back to how it was before.
With the largest ammo companies selling to a foreign company and import tax about to rise unless they keep manufacturing in the states the price is about to skyrocket
causeofdeath1@reddit
Wouldn't count on it
drkling@reddit (OP)
It’s at least going to be less expensive than it would have been given the alternative. I’m sure it won’t be “good old day” prices ever again.
5thPlaceAtBest@reddit
Hey maybe 7.62x39 will go back to "good old days" pricing if Russia collapses
Left4Bread2@reddit
Russia isn’t going to collapse, Trump literally platformed cutting off support for Ukraine
Menhadien@reddit
There is a big question mark about what happens when Putin dies/retires.
Jlaurie125@reddit
Now I'm a complete idiot and ill be the one who hands you the grain of salt that should be give with any of my takes but I would guess that another Putin like person would rise to fill that vacuum. An environment like that breeds people who can navigate the right mixture of corruption, bribes, force, nationalism, etc.. I tried to look up the saying but I can't find it. It's something along the lines of the Russian economy that needs a certain percentage of corruption to thrive. So if Putin dies, they may back off Ukraine for X amount of years, but Russian history tends to come back around to "things are bad we need to blame someone for this. We can't blame the leaders in charge and expect to live long sssoooo...Ukraine again? Sure..."
Due-Tumbleweed-6739@reddit
He also platformed on bringing prices down through a trade war .....
drkling@reddit (OP)
As an AK connoisseur, even if every other type of ammo drops in price or stays the same I’m certain 76 2 x 39 definitely will not. I would be ecstatic to be wrong though.
Devils_Advocate-69@reddit
Those tarrifs
RsonW@reddit
The largest increase in new gun owners in recent years have been self-described liberals. A second Trump presidency is gonna make them come out in droves.
There's a whole world out there that you are not the center of.
drkling@reddit (OP)
I’m patient. It will stagnate in year 2-3 will probably spike hard again near end of his term as election fears happen again. Not necessarily my first rodeo. But there are many factors at play.
mediumwellhotdog@reddit
I don't understand the downvotes on this comment.
nukey18mon@reddit
Me neither
Chomps-Lewis@reddit
Whats the alternative?
Da1UHideFrom@reddit
If Harris won.
Chomps-Lewis@reddit
And what would have happened if Harris won?
Dramatic_Round4452@reddit
More threatening to regulate guns and ammo for starters, that alone always drives prices up.
smokeyser@reddit
Threatening but not able to actually do any of it.
Chomps-Lewis@reddit
Ammo manufacturers already declared they are raising prices anyway though
HarrowDread@reddit
Would be nice though
backwards_yoda@reddit
Most of the cheapest ammo I'm shooting these days is imported. Trumps promised tariffs will do me no favors on my ammo pricing.
leadbetterthangold@reddit
With general inflation ammo is pretty cheap nowadays. 24 cent US made 9mm online with free delivery isn't bad. Nothing is going back to 2010 prices unless fuel and food and labor prices collapse too.
WhiskeyFree68@reddit
No. Manufacturers JUST announced a price increase, the gun cotton supply is now even lower and material prices haven't gone down. Expect some good sales, but for prices to remain pretty much the same.
SmoothSlavperator@reddit
You'll see good clearance sales when they need to rotate stock. Probably not on the volume shit like 223 and 9mm but I bet they'll be good deals on like 243, '06 and the common magnums.
drkling@reddit (OP)
Tbh prices staying the same is “cheap” compared to the alternative.
glockster19m@reddit
Haven't prices steadily come down since covid or am I missing something?
drkling@reddit (OP)
Gun prices have been great ammo has ebbed and flowed quite a bit. But mostly y’all are reading too far into a shitty meme I made.
TimeExtension@reddit
Why are you getting down voted?
Menhadien@reddit
Op must have pissed off someone with a bot farm at one point. And now that bot farm just follows them around.
dragonslayer137@reddit
This happens.
yrunsyndylyfu@reddit
This is a brigaded and astroturfed sub
WildlyWeasel@reddit
UKR/RUS and inflation pushed it up a fair amount. FJB/KH/VP/VZ.
smokeyser@reddit
Prices are going to go up. There's still a nitrocellulose shortage, and the copper shortage is only getting worse.
LiberalLamps@reddit
If two wars end that were taking up all of the raw materials, and there's less demand (Trump Slump 2.0) I would expect ammo prices to drop.
existentialdyslexic@reddit
If Trump can end the Ukraine war we might be able to start importing cheap Russian steel case again.
AtomicPhantomBlack@reddit
And Ukraine might surplus some of their old stuff. People would pay a premium for kits that saw war
JohnnyBoy11@reddit
They would try to build up their military..not sell it off..
existentialdyslexic@reddit
Depends on the peace terms. If there's a requirement for disarmament, then they may have no choice.
SteveHamlin1@reddit
Requirement from whom?
Bobodaklown1@reddit
I heard colorado is raising taxes on ammo 15%
aliendepict@reddit
Im confused about what you think the word “tariff” means. Better get them investments in the rock hard stock market gains are going to be needed to offset the $10 bananas and the $1 a round 5.56 friend we taught companies we would eat price increases so they wont be absorbing the tariff costs on minerals or other items.
SupraMario@reddit
The level of dumbassery in the gun community is hilarious. The number of dumb trump supporters who have no clue how tariffs work is astounding. Prices are not coming down at all, they're going to go up the second trump starts his tariffs.
norfizzle@reddit
And on top of that, the tax cuts are projected to raise taxes for anyone in the bottom 95% of earners..
SupraMario@reddit
yup, less money to spend as well, and your getting less from it.
They think billionaires are on their side...musk/trump is going to try as hard as possible to roll back protections of the working class and pay you less....
ThatBeardedHistorian@reddit
Lol. Only fools believe that.
ThurmanMurman907@reddit
I wish I was clueless enough to be this delusional
Ok-Reality-9197@reddit
Here's hoping
the_creature_258@reddit
Make ammo prices great again.
DeltaGhost11x@reddit
Hope he uses dropping the sanctions on Russia as part of his deal to end the Ukraine war
Starman562@reddit
Not until Wal-Mart starts selling ammunition again.
lincolnshellz@reddit
I need a hat that says MWMSAA
MAKE WAL-MART SELL AMMO AGAIN
XxcOoPeR93xX@reddit
Id like to see Russian bulk ammo again, even though the supply is probably dwindling from Ukraine. Hopefully he can get that situation resolved. This whole thing only started over NATO influence and we've done nothing but fan the flames.
Vnze@reddit
Seriously wtf is even this arguement? Litteral Russian propaganda.
NATO had little to no influence in Ukraine, Ukraine was never going to be allowed into NATO. Who the fuck believes this shit? (Plenty of people it seems).
Azuljustinverday@reddit
No it ain’t, if he follows through with the tariff it’s 20% on ammo that imported, and that could also mean the components / resources to make it.
Most people don’t know those tariffs are gonna hurt everything from car parts to guns. Etc
ReptillusMax@reddit
He's going to use tariffs as bargaining chip. You seem to forget how things were during his first term.
Azuljustinverday@reddit
Haven’t forgotten. It hurt the local soy farmers pretty bad last time.
ReptillusMax@reddit
You said cars and guns though....
mroblivian@reddit
Trump slump 2.0, I don’t expect 5.56 to be 27cpr or 9mm to be 17cpr again. Hopefully it goes down to more sensible prices.
CalligrapherOk8160@reddit
Unless you live in Colorado 😢
USSCV60@reddit
At least we can say the Assault weapons ban is OFF the menu! Time to celebrate and buy a new AR!
drkling@reddit (OP)
Last gun I want that’s “at risk” so to speak is an ar-10 so that’s on the menu for this coming year.
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
The biggest win for 2A may be what has been stated on The Four Boxes Dinner. It has been state at least two times that the court may take on more 2A cases if Trump won. Some of the court may take it as a mandate or at least as an approval to go forward with more cases and restoring more 2A rights.
We need Congress and Trump to pass the bill the was submitted to remove suppressors from the NFA.
alecxheb@reddit
Ohhhh shit the days of x39 are coming back yeeeeew
Azuljustinverday@reddit
Sadly no he won’t reverse the sanction, remember vepr the Russian firearms were banned under him in 2017
alecxheb@reddit
:(
ashy_larrys_elbow@reddit
Lol. I guess AWB/magazine ban reversals are too much to hope for. That said something tells me 30cpr for bulk 5.56 is a pipe dream too.
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
Winchester was as cheap as 28 CPR just back in September of 2023 after 25% rebate. I don't think getting back there is impossible.
Ineeboopiks@reddit
i would be so happy for some russian 7.62
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
If 7.62 import bans from several countries were removed maybe there would be less available for Russian and North Korean soldiers to use against Ukraine. /s
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
Now that Trump lost some of the liberals are actually thinking they better buy their first firearm to protect themselves from those that supported Trump. See below for examble.
https://www.reddit.com/r/liberalgunowners/comments/1gl1p1s/where_do_i_start/
XxcOoPeR93xX@reddit
Disagree with everyone here. If he can wrangle inflation, bring down gas prices, etc it WILL markedly have an effect on ammunition prices. If you can increase the value of the dollar itself you will have more buying power which means more ammo per dollar, even if the manufacturers hold.
I'd be surprised to not see ammo prices down 10% in the next year or 2.
smokeyser@reddit
No it won't because the prices aren't based on any of those things. There is an actual shortage of materials. Nitrocellulose is what they make gunpowder from, and there isn't enough to go around. Bullets are coated in copper, and there isn't enough to go around. Reducing inflation and gas prices is going to have absolutely no effect on that.
JohnnyBoy11@reddit
Inflation is already down, almost a third lower than the long-term average. The money supply is already diluted. Ain't no way trump will want to introduce deflation. The stock market thrives on low interest rates.
BeenisHat@reddit
Trump added $5tn to the national debt before COVID ever hit. Don't look for any sort of reduction either. Trump is going into his second term with a very friendly Congress. They aren't cutting shit.
Traditional-Car-995@reddit
Sad to say, but during Covid, manufacturers figured out they could make less ammunition yearly and still charge the same if not more for ammo.
alrashid2@reddit
That's not really how capitalism works though
If that were the case, every manufacturer would do this for every industry and every type of item for sale...
greatthebob38@reddit
Industries do create artificial shortages to raise prices though. They just don't maintain it for "long" term otherwise people get angry. But it usually ends up higher than previous prices even after coming down.
OPEC cuts oil production and oil prices take an elevator up.
Samsung, Micron reduced ram production in 2018 to double prices.
A lot of things that happened during COVID have "normalized" to an acceptable price which is where I think ammo prices are now. It is still higher than before but acceptable compared to COVID. Once people have accepted the price, there is no need to go back to how it was before.
smokeyser@reddit
They don't have to create a shortage. Just announce that there will be one.
NOMAD-NotHomeYet@reddit
I’m in CO… we just got an extra ammo tax.
BlackendLight@reddit
If only, I think the money supply is still the problem
sirbassist83@reddit
so we should print more of it?
kshort994@reddit
Remember, Trump isn’t our friend, he was just the better of the two terrible options.
Smarty_771@reddit
And I just stocked up too 😭😭
neutralityparty@reddit
Yeah I'm pumped
castle_crossing@reddit
Except in Colorado, where the state just passed a 6.5% excise tax on ammo and firearms.
RustyRivers911@reddit
Lol
Carpediemthesenutts@reddit
your kidding me right. with the left riled up we may actually see them increase.
thegrumpymechanic@reddit
Depends on where you live.......
Some of us are now staring at background checks for ammo, and no more shipping to your home....
Inevitable-Sleep-907@reddit
With the largest ammo companies selling to a foreign company and import tax about to rise unless they keep manufacturing in the states the price is about to skyrocket
BeamTeam@reddit
I suppose we might get Russian ammo imports back.
CaptJoshuaCalvert@reddit
And I don't have to panic buy even more regular cap mags, so that's a plus.
toxic_adventure@reddit
I've been finding 9 mm local for 22 CPR for Blazer brass. I've been snatching it up left and right
Quadrenaro@reddit
Posted 3 minutes after I made this joke... nice!
drkling@reddit (OP)
Great minds think alike, actually I got the idea from a similar comment on politics sub but it we about groceries lol
firearmresearch00@reddit
If we even get half of the previous trump slump I'll be tickled pink.