Balkaners, what would a Trump or Kamala presidency mean for your country?
Posted by kotrogeor@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 264 comments
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Posted by kotrogeor@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 264 comments
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Divljak44@reddit
I personally dont care as long as the whoever ends up next dosent start new wars.
Trump has a clean sheet for now
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
Trump has shown the capability to ignore Israel’s lobbyists multiple times. He’s going to be a Russian puppet.
CriticalHistoryGreek@reddit
So Trump ignoring Israel's lobbyists (I doubt so) makes him a Russian puppet???
AirWolf231@reddit
Then you should worry more, trump may not start a war... But he is the ultimate destabilizing factor.
We will have more wars now.
Divljak44@reddit
Really, because as soon as he got off from white house we got Ukraine and Palestine.
46_and_2@reddit
> because prior to that media was pumping Nuclear war scenario with N.Korea
Trump taunts North Korea: My nuclear button is ‘much bigger,’ ‘more powerful’
I think it's you that has the memory of a goldfish, buddy...
Federal-Carrot895@reddit
The conservatives have always been horny to invade Iran
Divljak44@reddit
I personally dont consider Trump a conservative, he in my eyes used republican platform, but this is only because there is no valid third option in US
Federal-Carrot895@reddit
Trump has promised to politicize the entire government, replacing careerists with republican ideologues. We will see if he does this. & trump is absolutely running on conservative policies.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Honestly, the word 'conservative' doesn't mean much in the US anymore.
Remember that shirtless dude with the buffalo headdress who raided the Capitol? That guy gets to be 'conservative.'
agathis@reddit
Iran don't need invading. Iran needs to be freed from the current regime, which can (possibly) be done by a collective effort of the American and Israeli military from outside.
This will stop a lot of wars in the middle east
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Cops the world over will say "never get involved in a family fight." They'll all turn on you. I'm afraid that's something that the Iranians themselves will have to set right.
Neradomir@reddit
They are both bad for my country
ThingOdd6974@reddit
Not true, the Trumps are investing in Belgrade.
CriticalHistoryGreek@reddit
And? I wouldn't want the Trumps "investing" in Athens either.
Harmalin@reddit
Trumps daughter also invested into a big hotel complex in Albania. I think they don’t care about the Balkans
Effective_Purpose365@reddit
Only good think is that trump is against NATO.
CriticalHistoryGreek@reddit
Wouldn't be so sure about that either, he already was president and NATO still exists and is as strong as before.
ERShqip@reddit
He wont pull out of nato 90% of nato now is pulling theyre own weight 🤣 he wouldnt be able to give a reason for it plus Even though they say hes owned by putin true to an extent i say 10% by putin 90% by jews and i dont hate jews i acually get along with them but its reality the coalition of extremely wealthy jews im talking trillions owns and funded trumps campaign And branded his ass I mean if they wanted to jews couldve prob offed trump and his fam ages ago but hes a good boy for bibi And jews like south euros so we should have some terbulance but no nato will stay intact
VexMilk-_-@reddit
Unflaired cigan
CrazyGreekReloaded@reddit
Same here
Big-Replacement4905@reddit
During trump's presidency, turkey didnt get viper upgrades for f16 and removed from f35 program. Tell me again how bad is for 🇬🇷
CrazyGreekReloaded@reddit
Trump supported ErDOGan for the most time and he clearly stated he will do it again you can search about it keep dreaming if you think USA has ever been our ally !!! They supported Greek dictatorship,threw napalm bombs and helped Turkey in Cyprus welcome to harsh reality
ERShqip@reddit
As an albanian i gotta sympathize with greeks here the dude loves dictators and has praised erdogan in his recent campaigns 🤣
Big-Replacement4905@reddit
Please find me the video where ge clearly stated that he will support erdogan.
We all enjoy liberal/leftish tears today, although we will not allow lies to spread.
CrazyGreekReloaded@reddit
Let's not forget how many times KKK has target us Greeks too! USA has been anti Greek and during Greek genocide they closed their eyes! Actually Erdogan is quite respected among American politicians while Mitsotakis is nothing more than their dog
Salmacis81@reddit
Its weird to bring up the KKK...what does a few KKK attacks on Greek immigrants over 100 years ago has to do with today? The KKK is basically a relic of the past.
8NkB8@reddit
Most of these incidents were over 100 years ago, and other groups had it a lot worse than the Greeks. The worst anti-Greek incident in the US happened in 1909. Can you elaborate on any others? Since then there's been a Greek Vice President (Spiro Agnew) and also a presidential runner-up (Michael Dukakis).
CrazyGreekReloaded@reddit
You will cry soon when he will start supporting Erdogan don't worry! Both Kamala and Trump are with Turkey! read here to open your eyes
Big-Replacement4905@reddit
Still waiting the post when Trump openly supported erdogan.
Let the win sink in boi.
CrazyGreekReloaded@reddit
read it here
Big-Replacement4905@reddit
"You’re doing a fantastic job for the people of Turkey,” Trump said
Clearly supporting erdogan, especially considering all the sanctions that were implemented during his presidency to turkey.
If you find difficulties providing information in English language, I will accept greek sources also, seems you lack basic understanding of english language.
CrazyGreekReloaded@reddit
Big-Replacement4905@reddit
κλάμα
CrazyGreekReloaded@reddit
Ναι για τους ψήφους οχι οτι το πιστεύει
CrazyGreekReloaded@reddit
Seem you luck knowledge! Trump admires Erdogan and has nuclear bases there while Mitsotakis is nothing than a stray dog
Big-Replacement4905@reddit
Its a pitty you are so single dimensional.
Missing valueable information.
CrazyGreekReloaded@reddit
This is old story! Turkey is more valuable to USA than Greece is! To us they threw napalm bombs upon our heads , forced a dictatorship and helped Turkey in Cyprus and you compare all these with few sanctions ?
Big-Replacement4905@reddit
Είσαι μαλακας τσάμπα σάλιο χαλάω.
CrazyGreekReloaded@reddit
Ο μαλακας είσαι εσύ και οσοι πιστεύουν παραμύθια σε αμερικανική βοήθεια , Κουληδες και τραμπ
NoItem5389@reddit
Wrong
CriticalHistoryGreek@reddit
They are both bad for the entire world as a whole.
TheeRoyalPurple@reddit
Same
alpidzonka@reddit
Certain warmongers in the ruling party's pundit circuit seem to be energized by the Trump victory, thinking we're getting free reign to threaten the neighbors (Kosovo, Bosnia) or worse. Whether they're overstating their case remains to be seen, but if that's your goal he's definitely better than Harris.
trimigoku@reddit
Us from Kosovo are afraid that he will pull out the Army. If he does and Serbia perceives that as an invitation to do what they want all hell will break loose in Kosovo, and this time there is no Tony Blair to advocate for us.
Sarkotic159@reddit
How about Starmer now?
alpidzonka@reddit
True. Erdogan is your main friend here, imo.
Alert_Caregiver_2834@reddit
We have the same problem within Bosnia, except while the nationalists from the other two ethnicities will celebrate Trump's victory for this very reason, Bosniak nationalists are too busy worrying about Schmidt than the actual threats to peace in our country, which they themselves are also undermining by trying to undermine the Dayton Agreement.
Feeling-Sympathy-879@reddit
And nothing will come of it. Sure, the pro-gov tabloids, including some politicians will be satisfied and yap about it for days to come, but that's it. SNS (and SPS) are all about self-interest above everything else. We are a surrounded by NATO members. What possible benefit would there be for Vucic or the actually smart politicians in SNS to do something idiotic like threating our neighbors? They'll just use this for propaganda purposes to keep the moron / troglodyte part of the population content for a time.
alpidzonka@reddit
I used to think that way. At the very least since Banjska, I see them as a part of the troglodyte part of the population. Idk, could be wrong.
Sarkotic159@reddit
I don't think Donnie really cares about Serbia or the Balkans though.
alpidzonka@reddit
He doesn't, but that's a good thing if you're an expansionist-ish Serbia, you want them passive. Also, they're trying to softly bribe him by selling the old army HQ to Kushner.
PAYL3@reddit
Trump:
Mainstream media get a slap on the face as many people are actually pro-Trump and ofc our mainstream media have been spewing the same anti Trump bs all along.
Woke agenda gets heavily questioned at last.
Europe forced to stand on its feet both military wise and energy wise.
Right leaning governments gain more of a lead in people's opinions, as long as the left in Europe keep doing what the dems did in the US (focusing on identity politics and disregarding more crucial matters)
Countries like Greece, Poland and anyone else that upheld the 2% NATO arms obligations get a better foothold in US-EU deals
Eventually I think everything will be much better with Trump at the helm, even on the Global scale as well.
Kamala: same shit as it was, bound to get worse.
Pls try not to fall in the reddit anti Trump echo chamber. The guy is not a saint, but he definitely the best option there is right now.
Outrageous_Trade_303@reddit
These posts are getting boring :(
Relevant_Mobile6989@reddit
Kamala is out of the game boys. Trump is just a rich prick. What worries me the most is Vance. That guy never smiles or makes any friendly comments about other countries. Probably this is also the end of the war in Ukraine, but of course a win for Russia.
Aggravating-Car-1897@reddit
He laughs a lot check out any of the podcasts he’s been on. Down to earth guy in my opinion. We have a lot of stuff going on in our country which is probably why he keeps the attention on the U.S.
ERShqip@reddit
Down to earth vance?????? The hillbilly who called trump hitler 🤣🤣🤣 hes a two faced pudgy rat trump chose him because hes easy to manipulate
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
You've heard about westoid 'trad' converts to Orthodoxy. He's a 'trad' convert to Catholicism.
If Vance ever takes over, the man to watch is Peter Thiel. He's like a smarter, more discrete version of Elon Musk. He would be the 'eminece grise' in a Vance administration.
ERShqip@reddit
Like last time the next president if orange baboon doesnt fck america over will be democrate like last time trump will pull stupid as sht this time so much so that rep will lose the minority vote and boom
throwaway082122@reddit
He was hella smiling and joking on JRE and Tim Dillon.
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
As an American, the Russian-Chinese threat is real.
Vaseline13@reddit
I'm more worried about Ukraine if I'm being honest.
I imagine Trump will pull out from it asap, basically giving the W to Russia on a silver platter. That'll be depressing.
Also, it's very likely he'll backtrack on environmental policies cause a lot of his friends are oil and coal tycoons. But idk how long he'll be able to justify subsidizing a half dead industry like coal in the future.
Other than that, I don't think there will be much of a difference for us as opposed to a Democrat lead government.
NoItem5389@reddit
Trump actually armed Greece with F-16s (my father did a lot to make sure that happened) against Turkey. Russia invaded Crimea during Obama, stopped during Trump, and then continued during Biden’s presidency. Clearly, if Trump was president; the invasion wouldn’t happen. The morons posting photos of Trump with Erdogan (as if Trump supports erdogan) are so uneducated. As a world leader you should strive for good relationships and communications to do what is best. It’s called DIPLOMACY.
ERShqip@reddit
That may be true on one side on the other trump is a putin lacky luckily though if though loves getting in bed with vladys the Jews are the real ones that got his leash and prob supported his campaign 100% those who say musk are sad fool musk himself is sold to others 🤣🤣🤣 Keep it good with isreal and everything else is gucci
Tsntsar@reddit
Trump pro-russian, not good at all for us. After Ukraine, Moldova/Romania are the most affected countries of Russia in this war.
Vesfel@reddit
They mean shit to me.
Jujux@reddit
Nothing. I doubt the US foreign policy will change much. Whether Trump or Harris, the US will still have the same rich lobbyists behind, and will still follow the same interests. Whoever thinks that Trump will look to end the Ukraine war quickly is having a laugh. American weapon manufacturers are raking in record profits from this war.
If anything, this election showed how heavily "moderated" places like reddit are and how out of touch people here are. Based on what you read on reddit, you would think that Trump is a monkey eating his own shit only voted by a handful of hillbillies, and Harris was the Virgin Mary descending from the heavens to save the Americans, yet Trump won easily. Quite disturbing, considering how much time the younger generations spend online.
WakeUp2Reality3@reddit
The margin of victory should be a wake up call for a lot of people. But, it’s not. They’re doubling down on how “racist, misogynistic and hateful” America is. 🙄
elektronyk@reddit
Well both can be true at the same time. The centrist non-populist rhetoric of the Dems failed spectacularly, but you can't deny that a lot of Trump's base is in it because they agree with his racism/mysoginism/homophobia/other awful shit he speaks about
WakeUp2Reality3@reddit
I’m just not even going to engage with this. All I will say is you’ve basically used talking points and have been convinced of a persona.
elektronyk@reddit
It would be less cowardly if you would just explain how I am wrong
WakeUp2Reality3@reddit
I don’t have the time, nor the patience to enact the equivalent of drawing you a picture to depict how the propaganda machine works, how communists have made a concerted effort to subvert American society and culture since the 20s and how political elites operate similar to mob families. You can take the time to learn though.
elektronyk@reddit
You had time to type this non-answer
Jujux@reddit
The same shit is happening all over Europe. Instead of acknowledging and trying to fix people's problems, the ones in power just call everyone who disagrees with them all sorts of -isms.
WakeUp2Reality3@reddit
I hear you. Hold onto your integrity and keep your head up. Thinking of you all!
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
Trump has shown the capacity and willingness to avoid Israel’s lobbyists multiple times Carnegie source The Jerusalem Post source Rothschilds source With at least three confirmations. The Russian threat is real! Endorse business with Roma people for their network! Begin re-arming weapon capabilities soon or we will all be crushed by Russia!
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
He'll end it because Putin wants him to.
labeatz@reddit
Sorry, but this is a liberal fantasy. I say that as someone who hates Republicans and Trump. His record in office was not in any sense pro-Russia
Nobody tells America what to do, I promise you. Fearmongering about Xi and Putin is primarily cover for a desire to continue America's absolute dominance of international politics.
Putin may invade another country before he dies; Xi may invade Taiwan. Those would be brutal and disgusting wars, but they are attempts to assert regional power and influence -- America is attempting to maintain its grip on international dominance.
And it's US elites who won't shut up about how ready they are for a new Cold War; if it's anything like the last one, it will be a disaster for the rest of the world -- and it has always been, since WWII, the USA with its "liberal rules-based order" that wages 90% of brutal foreign interventions, never our rivals
simo_rz@reddit
Because of lame antiamericanism in the Balkans, no one actually realises just how much influence US foreign policy has here. Without even considering NATO and foreign aid, reliability of their military etc. - just consider the fact that every politician in the Balkans copy pasted American political strategy and guides their own politics by what happens to their favourite American political faction. Talking points, policy, conspiracies, rule of law, all of that Is influenced by Americans, not to mention a lack of American leadership makes the conflicts all around us much more impactful on us. Trump will be a disaster on these fronts, just like he was last time, I just hope he wrecks so much sh*t in America, their imbecilic low iq population gets it through their head that criminals don't make good leaders- this is our thing, Balkan trademark!
CaelCantLove@reddit
Trump feeds the oil industry and corporate giants, everybody loses
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Silicon Valley was backing him this time. They may be LiBeraL CaLi bRos, but they care about tax cuts and deregulation a shitload more.
CaelCantLove@reddit
Ecactly. Bro got a billionaire to become a campaign partner, and that should have raised enough red flags for his demographic that thinks his policy will lift them out of poverty.
matrimc7@reddit
Nothing. Could this care any less.
At least their posts about their stupid election on every single sub will die out eventually. Then will be teplaced with Trumps stupidity.
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
Putin is focused in Cambodia if anything, recently scourged by Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge.
matrimc7@reddit
Ok.
DoNotMakeEmpty@reddit
The only politician that might change the US was Sanders but he is not the president obviously, so nothing will change.
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
I would believe Democrats would win if Sanders was a candidate. Preferably a younger white male Democrat candidate should run.
DoNotMakeEmpty@reddit
Well, an old white male Democrat won against Trumpet with a great margin, so a youny white male Democrat would probably bury him to the ground.
Stverghame@reddit
America is bad for Serbia, regardless of who's leading it.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
All I can say is that Russia will be encouraged to intensify whatever it is they've been doing to other countries.
Stverghame@reddit
Look, while I can feel empathy for others, my family's safety, my safety, my people's safety (outside of the country) and my country's safety are the priority for me. Russia's deeds don't interest me in that sense, but America's dees do. One is more dangerous for us, and that ain't Russia.
Deep_Gazelle_1879@reddit
MijoVsEverybody@reddit
ZhiveBeIarus@reddit
Ironic coming from you, Romanians also like consuming this drink, just the American version.
Deep_Gazelle_1879@reddit
We've both gained something from the relationship, with Russia it's only on the negative, always
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
Yes, then again we lost two hundred fifty thousand to half a million people in the Holocaust. I think it’s reasonable. I’m actually subscribed to AIPAC.
Stverghame@reddit
Switch the Serbian flag with Romanian one, and switch the bottle text to "Semen of every possible EU nation that can't differentiate us from an ethnicity that has a similar name to us"
Kapanol197@reddit
https://privnote.com/YGyTsTWH#sDgfm1XaP
Stverghame@reddit
Can't open it
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Goddamn, that's enough jizz to impregnate half of Cleveland!
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Doesn't Putin have his finger deep in Serbia's pie?
Vextor17@reddit
Not as deep as people think. I will add this Vucic even before the Ukraine war had far more dialogue with the US ambassador then Russia. Right now Russian presence (at least from my perspective) is very little and the past year or 2 the US is far more involved. So right now I say US has far more influence then Putin.
Stverghame@reddit
He might have his finger deep in Serbia's pie, but USA has its fingers deep in our eyesockets. Guess which is worse?
Deep_Gazelle_1879@reddit
Bro, it's been 30 years, get over it. The US doesn't care about Serbia, implicitly won't harm it.
Stverghame@reddit
It supports politics of neighbours that want to get rid of Serbs that are left there = it is an active enemy.
GreatshotCNC@reddit
Balkaners, what would not making one million threads about the US elections mean about r/AskBalkans?
DappyDee@reddit
Total Brain Death, probably.
AnarchistRain@reddit
Kamala would just be the status quo.
Trump probably means that the pro-Russian agents will be emboldened. There are speculations that GERB is delaying government talks to see the outcome of the election, and if Trump wins, he is more likely to form a coalition with Revival.
deepeddit@reddit
Trump is not pro-russian and Russia will get zero from him winning the election. It's propaganda from the democrats. Trump winning will just mean Europe paying more for the weapons. I actually think that a lot of people, maybe even Zelenskiy are tiered and looking. Trump may give them an exit to finish the war without loosing face, or power.
CykaRuskiez3@reddit
Stupid L take lol
deepeddit@reddit
What's your take? Bullying people online?
CykaRuskiez3@reddit
Bro cry harder, if the ukrainians were tired then they would lay down arms and retreat from kursk, they would stop jumping into enemy trenches and conducting CQB.
Saying trump is not pro russian is intellectually dishonest.
smallddavid@reddit
Snowflake lol
Mucupka@reddit
Trumpflake
lucasievici@reddit
Bro no offense but you are delusional. Trump has been in Russia’s pocket since forever, it started when the Russian mafia was renting/buying huge amounts of space in Trump’s NYC towers. They also interferred in the 2016 election on his behalf, and all of his “wealth” is just Russian money given to him to maintain the facade that he is a successful businessman when in fact everything he’s done on that front has been a failure
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
US banks wanted nothing more to do with the crooked bastard, so he turned to the Russians. They own his ass.
lucasievici@reddit
Thank you!
deepeddit@reddit
Bro, no offence taken because you can't prove any of that. You think this is a fantasy game? Trump is not pro-russian for the simple reasons he is pro-american. That's why he wants Europe to pay more for European security. US is busy with China and now again middle east.
lucasievici@reddit
Please share with me some instances of Trump being successful in business. A lot of people also claim to support him for being a family man with traditional values, yet he’s had 12 kids by 9 different women, mostly outside of marriage; he claims to be a christian yet can’t give any bible quotes. I have no clue how the American media became so insane as to create all of these illusions, but in my eyes it has confirmed the age-old meme that I never believed up until now: Americans are really stupid
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
He fucked a porn star while Melania was nursing their kid. She wasn't the only one.
lucasievici@reddit
Thank you, that was my point exactly
deepeddit@reddit
What do mean? He was merried three times and have five kids. It's pointless discussing if you are that far away from the basic facts. You can just say that you don't like the guy.
Deep_Gazelle_1879@reddit
He is a con artist and he coned you
lucasievici@reddit
“Merried” (don’t worry, I’m aware that spelling in English is difficult) 3 times is exactly what a traditionalist, conservative family man would do. And so is appearing on the cover of the Playboy magazine. You know what’s funny? There is a video from the 80s, from when he was a Democrat, saying how if he were to ever run for president, it would be as a Republican because that voter base is the easiest to sway. It seems like he’s always been keenly aware of just how idiotic his followers are, and the fact that y’all are letting him do this to you is a combination of tragedy and cosmic justice. It’s also extremely telling that you picked on the details of what I said rather than the actual argument — it proves yet again how stupid you are, which I guess is to be expected from an American Trump fan. I am done with this conversation, and will end with a quote by Mark Twain: “it’s easier to fool people than to convince them they’ve been fooled”, and I guess this works extra well when you’re stupid and uneducated
trimigoku@reddit
As someone from Kosovo, i am scared that with all the pulling out of NATO talk he will pull out of Kosovo as well, and if he pulls out its basically over for us.
On the other hand that would mean 1.5 million new refugees for germany, because this time i doubt anyone is going to stay and fight unless they are threatened by our KLA/VV hyper nationalist people, i know i won't
NoDrummer6@reddit
Of course people will stay and fight. What a weird thing to say. Just because you won't doesn't mean others won't.
Pathetic to suggest the only thing that would make them do it is "hyper nationalist KLA/VV". You mean normal people? WTF happened to Albanians.
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
Trump will help pro-Russia policies in Kosovo even if it does not seem obvious at first. As an American.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
We won't pull out of NATO.
The worst he can do is keep us out of it (aside from sending a few shipments of gear) and leaving it to the Euros. Which I suppose is about as bad.
trimigoku@reddit
We saw how that played out with srebrenica, and there is no Ballsy Tony Blair to help this time.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Maybe Starmer has a pair. I hope we don't have to find out.
dev_imo2@reddit
Nobody right in the head would prefer the bumbling idiot that Kamala is. Even if you dont like Trump, he’s still the rational choice.
I hope he keeps his word and ends the wars. Enough people have died and I want it to stop before it escalates even further.
Again spare me the russia victory idiocy. Russia would win anyway in some form sooner or later, best to come to some form of diplomatic agreement before more people die and Ukraine looses even more territory. The war is not going well for them at all. I think Putin is evil enough to use nukes if he starts loosing badly, and I am not dying for Ukraine.
Alert_Caregiver_2834@reddit
With such naivety and short-sighted thinking, it's no wonder that the Balkans are the shithole that they are.
dev_imo2@reddit
Go back your echo chamber circle jerk and mind your business.
Alert_Caregiver_2834@reddit
Same to you buddy. This is my business as I live in the Balkans as well.
fituica@reddit
You're completely right about these people, their takes are absolute garbage.
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
The brain drain on Romania in Europe is not the same as the brain drain on Roma in America. One of my high school classes was AP Chemistry. Treat Americans differently!
Historical-Truth-222@reddit
Best intelligence and bravest Romanian
fituica@reddit
yes thank you for saying it, some of the takes I've seen from Romanian flairs on this sub lately... holy shit. Bro unironically believes Trump will end any war and that "diplomatic agreements" mean shit to Russia.
dev_imo2@reddit
You unironically believe wars end with simple diplomatic agreements then? Simple minds, simple answers I guess. Not worth discussing further.
fituica@reddit
Where did I say that?
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
As a Roma he does not speak for me.
fituica@reddit
You have to be really naive to think Trump will end any wars, holy shit. How the fuck would Trump end any wars? The takes I see from some Romanian flairs on this sub... actual 0Head shit
mssarac@reddit
Absolutely nothing will change, it's the same
Another_WeebOnReddit@reddit
not blkaner but my country will keep getting bombed either way....
nemodahfish@reddit
One day those wmd will be found
xhonivl@reddit
I am incredibly worried as an Albanian. A Trump presidency at this point means emboldened authoritarians, likely lack of funding for the legal reforms, decrease in international status quo, risk for Kosovo, increased Russian interference as we were once in the Russian sphere of influence, etc. I think that a Trump presidency for Albania is dangerous.
Lakuriqidites@reddit
His son in law is going to invest billions in Sazan island. Nothing will happen to Albania
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Kosovo perhaps has more to worry about.
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
As an American Gypsy I wouldn’t ever move to Kosovo.
OverallPhrase4623@reddit
you wouldn’t be welcomed anyway
Lakuriqidites@reddit
Kosovo was much better when Trump was a President.
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
Danger overseas in America means danger for all Europeans. I arrived specifically to this community to warn people. Putin has agents active in Cambodia.
Historical-Ad2780@reddit
Mate we already saw 4 years of him and nothing happened. We are such an unimportant region to the Americans.
Bataveljic@reddit
Especially to Trump. Harris at least pretends to play their part as global beacon of peace and freedom. Trump doesn't care enough to be able to point to Kosovo on a map
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
A few of the crafty goons in his inner circle do.
elektronyk@reddit
Russia will probably be gifted half of Ukraine by Trump. I expect colder relations with the US from western countries like France and Germany while countries like Romania and Poland will try to kiss Trump's ass in order to keep the anti-Russia alliance alive. I also think this might embolden the far-right in Europe even more, just like it happened after he won in 2016. I have no idea if Russia will reattempt to annex what is left of Ukraine by the end of Trump's term in 2029 or if they will try to test NATO's Article 5 with some provocation in the Baltics.
endergamer2007m@reddit
Well probably nothing long term, trump will either die from his fatass stubbing his toe and falling creating a black hole, as for NATO, Europe can survive without the US
elektronyk@reddit
Theoretically we can, practically we also have far-right Kremlin funded parties on the rise which will work their best to undermine European unity
Rolekz@reddit
Really?
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
We can survive Russia and China if everyone re-arms and invests in foreign intelligence. Otherwise everyone loses, in the whole world. Wealthy Europeans included.
Rolekz@reddit
I agree, but that's the thing, Western Europe for the most part is ignorant and corrupt, and Eastern Europe too poor and corrupt.
endergamer2007m@reddit
Baltic countries contributed more to ukraine than the US did, we'll be fine
And besides the US is the real leecher, the only time article 5 was invoked was during 9/11
Rolekz@reddit
For sure, it's mostly beneficial to US anyways, but without the US "support", Europe has no chance against Russia + China.
eferalgan@reddit
The guy is a dumbass
Present-Industry-373@reddit
Literally nothing. Both will maintain the same diplomatic relations with the Balkans. Trump won’t pull US out of NATO, it was just populism.
I for one am a Trump supporter
EveryValuable9384@reddit
Are you a republican supporter or a Trump supporter? If a Trump supporter that's a very fucked up thing to accept publicly 🤷
Competitive_Rock3038@reddit
And this "hollier than thou" attitude of libs is I guess, one if the reasons why people are tired if liberals and why Trump won
Bataveljic@reddit
As if illiberals don't work with 'holier than thou' rhetoric
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
Many liberals are hypocrites and I have received racism as a Roma from liberals.
Bataveljic@reddit
Hypocrisy is everywhere. Battle it on a personal level
Federal-Carrot895@reddit
Its not just that. Liberals abuse each other like that. Like in a liberal area it you do legitimately get tons of heat for dissenting and people will judge the shit out of you and you learn where the boundaries are for what you wanna cop to in front of people you dont know.
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
Living in Washington state, there is racism between liberals. America is Europe and immigration to recover unemployment cycles is not only supported but is encouraged and that has been harmed through Trump’s pro-Russia policies.
Competitive_Rock3038@reddit
Freedom of opinion - if you have the exact same opinion as I do. If not, you are fascist misogynist
Divljak44@reddit
Trump is like a person, can be happy, can be sad, living breathing person, opposed to party bureaucrats whose whole like is an fake robotic act of trying to not mess up "public image"
Bataveljic@reddit
Deceived by personality politics. The people Trump employs are the same faceless bureaucrats. Nothing is different
Divljak44@reddit
Nope, i havent, I just have an idea what I can expect from him.
For istance, i can tell you for sure he is a businessman who likes luxury, and he is loyal to his friends.
I cant for example tell you nothing about Harris, nor other democrats or republicans for that matter, so you are right, others next to him are pro politicians as well
Sdpmknp@reddit
Why would it be a fucked up thing to accept publicly? Democracy dictates that you respect people's choices, and you don't shame or try to guilt them into thinking it's wrong. You might have a different opinion, you can't shame others for doing something different than you.
IK417@reddit
Shameing and guilting is a way to persuade. In democracy You persuade people not force them to do something.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
It's always open season for criticism.
trimigoku@reddit
Yeah expect for choosing trump. Shame the fuck out of those people
dev_imo2@reddit
Democracy and fredom is only for those who think like you, correct?
EdliA@reddit
It's no wonder he won with comments like these
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
Putin is working on using his agents in Cambodia to recreate Communist genocide. There is danger. It is real.
Imaginary_String_814@reddit
Harris and Trump couldnt be further away on many crucial points, check the stock market today. Its exploding
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Won't last. His economic policies are dangerously stupid.
Imaginary_String_814@reddit
this is true the dept is gonna be insane
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
He can't. Congress, when they had the chance, passed a law virtually forbidding it. Even if he has the Senate now, he could never get a 2/3 majority for that question.
The worst he can do is make us sit around with our thumb up our ass if Russia rolls on the Baltics. Maybe dust off a few surplus helmets and medi-kits and call it a day. Although I'd like to think Poland alone could handle that.
lilianbarnes@reddit
I don’t think any of them would have good impact on Türkiye but I hope that Trump will choose isolationism policy and leave the Mid East alone.
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
He’s going to help Islam somehow. Probably going to be forced to by Putin.
lilianbarnes@reddit
I don’t care about Islam really, I’m just concerned about all chaos. But also I’m not sure about helping Islam part at all because it seems like he’ll prioritizing Israel over any “Islamic country” so…
tsakeboya@reddit
Erdogan starts r@ping our airspace and islands again...
Stabbingwestoids@reddit
guess we should start digging graves for all the moskals we'll be burying here soon
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
Romanian to Romanian, begin re-mobilizing troops immediately and work on relationships with the Asian curtain, especially in Cambodia. Have a blessed day brother 🙏
Stabbingwestoids@reddit
Cambodia world superpower 2010 🗣🗣🗣 mashallah brother i will personally pay for your plane ticket back to hungary where you belong 🤲🏼
kieranrunch@reddit
Ukraine are going to have to accept one of Putin’s peace deals sooner or later anyway, regardless of who is president.
oldyellowcab@reddit
Shit versus megashit. I guess the megatonshit won the election. Congrats to all of us.
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
I agree with this. American Democrats should have picked a white male candidate.
arisaurusrex@reddit
Trump administration likes to meddle in foreign affairs, so possibly could see a return of the Kosova Landswap deal.
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
Trump will be good for Russians in Kosovo.
Bataveljic@reddit
If/when Trump wins, we will be forced to take matterd into our own hands as Europeans. We can't be dependent on a superpower across the ocean whose politics suffer from split personality disorder
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
This is the Serbian talk I love to hear! Re-arm immediately. Russia and China are real threats. Putin wants Communist genocide again and we are all in danger if he picks a better successor in power.
TriaPoulakiaKathodan@reddit
Nothing
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
Putin is focused in Cambodia if anything, recently scourged by Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge.
Lopsided-Wish-1854@reddit
As an American of Balkan origin, in short term Trump is good ONLY for America and our US middle class, but in long term is good for all by curbing globalism outreach which will evaporate everything you hold dear, to a degree that if you understand it, you will not sleep.
Trump wants no wars, not billions to be paid to wars, no favorable tariffs to the EU which means the EU has to pay, vacuum maybe created, and nationalists of Balkans will do the same stupid things as they have done last 100 years.
Balkans should stop killing each other, they have been living there for at least 1400 years together. If you keep fighting, soon you will be replaced by non-europeans. If you think this is far stretched, go and visit south of US states, London, Paris etc.
A glass of Rakija to all of you.
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
You’re so deep in your own delusion that you can’t recognize Putin has agents in Cambodia already and that he’s planning to recreate Communist genocide again. This is a warning from a Gypsy we magical people.
Deep_Gazelle_1879@reddit
See you when he racks tons of debt, not like the inflation wasn't his fault. Dude's solution is printing more money
Naive_Pride4166@reddit
I can assure you that the majority of the people on the Balkans is tired of fighting. With the rise of social media we can now see with our own eyes that we, “the people”, are nothing but livestock to our governments, at least here in Serbia, so I am not sure why anyone would risk their lives. Moreover, if I speak solely about Serbia; as a country surrounded by NATO members, I am not sure in what kind of scenario another war in the Balkans is possible? The US has too much interest in this region to let that happen.
dilirium22@reddit
Directly, not much... Globally, we're fucked if the orange idiot actually does any of the things he said he would (honesty doubt, but staying cautious).
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
You’re fucked because Trump is Putin’s Russian puppet. I cannot tell how anyone is even able to say that Trump is not one of Putin’s trusted inner circle.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
The first thing to watch are his dangerously stupid economic policies.
If we fuck ourselves, the rest of you will be getting it too. Just like back in 2008.
Thalassophoneus@reddit
We are their puppets anyway, but I think Trump likes Erdogan a little more than Kamala does.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
He envies and admires people like Orban, Erdogan, and [you know who]. He and his inner circle want to have the same hold over the US that those guys do over their countries.
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
Make Putin a dinner time conversation topic again. As an American Roma it is crucial. Putin has agents in Cambodia looking to do Pol Pot’s miracle in European enemy countries. This is golden intel and it is incredibly crucial Europe re-arms. Now go and listen, the Gypsy warned you.
NoItem5389@reddit
It’s sad that a lot of Balkaners think Russia supports Trump. Putin publicly endorsed Kamala. They want her to win because she is weak and won’t stop them. They invaded Ukraine in her presidency (and obama’s). Trump will actually hold Putin accountable and he clearly isn’t afraid to do it.
Nal1999@reddit
Nothing,we control both governments.
Only us and Israel have so much influence on the USA.
Mitsotakis did an amazing maneuver and endorsed both sides.
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
No we don’t
scrooll0706@reddit
Putin is the real winner here
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
Putin has American agents in Cambodia researching Pol Pot’s communistic genocide. Putin’s threat is real and as an American I suggest all European countries start re-militarizing IMMEDIATELY. The danger levels are there and they are ruthless.
scrooll0706@reddit
I don’t know if was coincidence but today for a first time ever I’ve seen a military ad to join the bulgarian army on the tv 😃
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Along with Xi, for all we know.
Acceptable-Gap-2397@reddit
Trump being elected means more anti-Romani sentiment in America will continue for me
anniehall330@reddit
I feel bad for Ukraine, Trump will side with Russia.
stozabiznissuka@reddit
They are both bad for my country
RedLemonSlice@reddit
Tbh, your country was bad for your country.
stozabiznissuka@reddit
Itas all americas fault they desroyed our socialist nation beacuse they feard the power of socialism they desroyed us killed thousands of people even tho we werent on anyones side now our cuntry is going to shit
eferalgan@reddit
Trump apparently won so Kamala is no longer an option.
For all Europeans, Trump as president will mean higher tariffs on European goods, more money spent on American older technology weapons (they don’t sell us the latest technology).
Ukraine will fall or a compromise will happen that will be favorable to the Russians. Zelensky and his entourage will fled west. The remaining rump Ukraine will be neutral.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
And isolated, and more defenseless than not.
Lblink-9@reddit
Since when does the USA care for Balkans? 😂
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Got any oil?
BruhhLightning@reddit
They are both bad but Democrats always cause lotta caos in the middle east Trump will be better for us
Deep_Gazelle_1879@reddit
Hot-Cauliflower5107@reddit
Trump won, so for North Macedonia, increased Serbian and Russian influence, instability, ethnic violence....the 1990's coming back with the local mob soldiers coming to your door, asking for money because they 'protect' your property from 'catching' fire.
Fickle-Message-6143@reddit
Nothing, same shit every year. We already had Trump nothing was changed when he was elected after Obama.
Alert_Caregiver_2834@reddit
Have you forgotten the raising tensions in our own country? Things have been getting worse every day. The only thing we thought we could rely on to prevent a restart of the war was NATO and without the US there's no NATO practically, at least not for us. The Europeans have bigger worries with Ukraine and Baltics, they'll just let us down the drain if it comes to it. We're fucked and as usual people are going to sit on their thumbs thinking nothing's going to happen.
MISTER_WORLDWIDE@reddit
Schmidt was Biden’s doing.
Alert_Caregiver_2834@reddit
You think Schmidt is your problem? Compared to war again? You need a reality check
MISTER_WORLDWIDE@reddit
Yes, Schmidt and the current government in power are Croatian pawns. The Croatian government bragged openly about getting him in. That is my problem and the biggest problem facing the country today.
Alert_Caregiver_2834@reddit
You're insane. Imagine picking the dumbest issue you could possibly pick to whine about in the world we live in today. Even if they did that, Schmidt can't do anything that's against the Dayton Agreement which protects us all. Those who want to abolish it want another war cause that is the only outcome of that idiotic movement. You're the opposite of a patriot if you cheer for the path that leads to war. I'm saying this as a Bosniak before you start with some nationalistic nonsense.
MISTER_WORLDWIDE@reddit
Ah, yes. Saint Schmidt, heroic defender of Dayton. The guy who imposes electoral engineering on Bosniaks on the night of the general election due to “Bosniak demographic opportunism” as well as suspending the FBiH constitution so his people (re: Croatia’s) can form the government but looks on while the NSRS implements the goals of the All-Serbian assembly and spits in the face of the constitutional court. To the point the Bosniak president has to urge him to do something at the UNSC.
I bet you were wailing after the October elections as well.
Alert_Caregiver_2834@reddit
So what you're saying you don't understand how our country works and how politics work? Ok, I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone who operates on the basis of how he imagines and wishes the country would work instead of facing reality.
MISTER_WORLDWIDE@reddit
Right, using bonn powers to manipulate the election results in favor of one is totally normal functionality of our country.
Do yourself and the country a favor, pack your bags and go find a better life elsewhere.
Alert_Caregiver_2834@reddit
Nah, you're not ethnic cleansing me cause you're pissed that I see through your lack of education and common sense.
Fickle-Message-6143@reddit
Worse only in media, things are the same on the ground. Also we got EU candidate status that is better than it was.
Alert_Caregiver_2834@reddit
The media usually paints things slightly better than the reality. Yes it's sensationalist, but there's a lot more hate among people than the media wants to show. People from every ethnic group have learned nothing in the past 30+ years and they're even worse.
That EU candidate status means absolutely nothing, especially in this political climate.
Fickle-Message-6143@reddit
Go out. Touch the grass. Walk between people and you will see what I am talking about.
Alert_Caregiver_2834@reddit
I could say the same to you. People used to think the way you think in 1992, hell they even thought their relations were better than the ones we have today and look where it got them. Before Ukraine was invaded I saw news about Ukrainians thinking Russians would never do that to them. I was screaming inside for them to not be so naive. When will you people let go of this naivety?
Prize_Self_6347@reddit
MAGA 2024! Donald Trump was the clear favorite from the get-go!
Dim_off@reddit
I was neutral on these elections but would like to see peace around Europe
Roki_jm@reddit
not much
spiritualgoat669@reddit
I wouldn't have let Bernie Sanders drop out from the previous race!
Many-Sample-6342@reddit
I'm worried about Americans and sad they are digging a hole for themselves.
the-fourth-planet@reddit
I will pull an UNO flip card and ask the USA what would Mistotakis mean to them.
The irony is that by greek leftists, Mitsotakis can be deemed a christofascist, while by american dems he would probably be worshipped as a less clinically demented Biden.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Give us a minute.
[opens Wikipedia]
glorychildthe@reddit
There's nothing directly bad, not even with Ukraine (even if this is much worse for Ukraine than Kamala). What I am most worried about is this type of politics becoming popularized. In the US you can have this more ultranationalistic energy without it destabilizing things too much as their only neighbours are Canada and Mexico. But I think that if this type of thing becomes even more popular in Europe, as it is already on the rise, it's bad news all around. Every country here has at least 3 neighbours and a long history of conflicts with their neighbours so more ultranationalism is just horrible for stability.
Things can go very quickly from memes where we poke fun of each other in a friendly manner to outright hate for your neighbours spurred on by politicians who are in for a money/power grab. And this is a future I really don't want to see for Europe
SnooSuggestions4926@reddit
Youll be hanged or stoned to death in r/europe for saying Trump
Several-Zombies6547@reddit
The only hope I have about his presidency is that his isolationism would lead to a more independent Europe. But knowing our corrupt European politicians, probably nothing will change.
RedditAussie@reddit
Bosnia will be red hot with increasing Russian support/influence and NOW America's disinterest in supporting Europe.
RedLemonSlice@reddit
I am really worried about Ukraine.
theDivic@reddit
3-5 days of tabloid propaganda and that’s about it
CrazyGreekReloaded@reddit
Its bad for Greece in both cases
merayBG@reddit
Let me finish university first then I'll think about it
Texoraptor@reddit
There is no Kamala presidency
GoHardLive@reddit
I dont think any of them will have any special impact on Greece
Feeling-Sympathy-879@reddit
Absolutely nothing.