Chase Oliver Polling | TheaterFire

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Bagain@reddit

I didn’t see a single add or piece on Oliver, at all. Nothing… that had to be a choice made by the LP, right?

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cluskillz@reddit

The LP doesn't run their campaign. That was a choice made by the Oliver campaign. The dude sleepwalked through the whole thing. And I'm being pretty generous on the "walk" part of it.

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zzt0pp@reddit

One of the first bylaws is

electing Libertarians to public office to move public policy in a libertarian direction;

chartering affiliate parties throughout the United States and promoting their growth and activities;

nominating candidates for President and Vice-President of the United States, and supporting Party and affiliate party candidates for political office;

They always fail at the actual electing part. This year, they totally failed at the promoting and support part, too.

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AwwSeath@reddit

Chase said he didn’t want the national party to speak for him after Reno. You don’t get to bitch about the party not speaking for him now.

He did a couple state fairs and a bunch of pride events and a couple podcasts that no one cares about.

He had the chance to go on Dave Smith and Clint Russell’s shows and make his case to the half of the party that didn’t support him but he declined to do so.

The party only gets this marketing chance once every 4 years and you guys picked the absolute worst possible person to speak for us.

It’s a miracle that Angela was able to get Trump to commit to freeing Ross publicly because we had zero leverage.

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TheAzureMage@reddit

You will note that promoting is for affiliate parties.

Gotta read the whole sentence.

The LP didn't fund Gary or JoJo. They did great compared to Chase. This is just coping.

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zzt0pp@reddit

Promoting is for Party candidates.

No one said anything about funding the campaign directly. That is not what 'support' was for Johnson and Jo which they did not give Oliver. This is just excuses.

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TheAzureMage@reddit

Oh? What support, exactly, did the other two get that was withheld?

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cluskillz@reddit

Okay? None of that disproves what I said that campaign decisions are made by the candidate, not the party.

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The statement was about seeing ads or pieces for Oliver. You tried to separate LP from Oliver completely, which is both true and untrue. National can run ads or pieces and it is their duty to support their candidate. They failed to do so. That much is obvious.

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cluskillz@reddit

Show me where I said they are completely separate. I don't even disagree that national should have supported him much more. That's not the point here.

The candidate has to give direction on the ads and take the lead on it. Oliver did not work with party membership very well and didn't coordinate well with members even trying to throw him fundraisers. Plus, it's not Angela telling chase to decline Dave Smith or Tim pools podcast invitations. That is 100% chases decision.

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zzt0pp@reddit

The statement was about seeing ads or pieces for Oliver. You tried to separate LP from Oliver completely, which is both true and untrue. National can run ads or pieces and it is their duty to support their candidate. They failed to do so. That much is obvious.

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TheAzureMage@reddit

No. Campaigns run their advertising.

The LP gets people registered, fights as many ballot access fights in advance as possible, etc. This is all stuff that Chase did benefit from by getting the nomination.

Chase simply sucked at fundraising and advertising. One of his big advertising pushes was so that he could take a helicopter ride.

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Bagain@reddit

Tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. …when you make deals with a potential VP pick to stab people in the back to get votes, the party should frown on it. Once you go down that route… I could see the party taking a hands off position.

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zzt0pp@reddit

It was. I mean, the LP chair 'endorsed' him wearing a clown nose only to later endorse Trump. Fundamentally unserious.

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battlepassbattlepass@reddit

why didn't spike run? I saw tik tok edits of him in like 22/23

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Illustrious-Ad1940@reddit

The libertarian party needs to put in a moderate presidential candidate to establish they are capable of winning a major election

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247world@reddit

From my point of view Chase was just a Democrat who wasn't popular enough to run as a Democrat

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Backcountrylifestyle@reddit

It baffled me that a party controlled by the mises caucus could nominate a liberal candidate, until I thought they probably used him as a red herring, and actually want trump to win.

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TheAzureMage@reddit

I was a delegate at convention, and I assure you, Mises tried their best to stop Chase from getting the nomination.

Many shenanigans were in play.

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Backcountrylifestyle@reddit

That surprises me. It's the only theory that made any sense to me.

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TheAzureMage@reddit

I mean, it makes sense as a conspiracy. But the convention was, in practice, an incoherent factionalized mess of people fighting each other for every reason and none.

Most of us Mises folks, a full 40% of the delegation, opted to vote NOTA instead of voting for Chase, because we were convinced he was a miserable candidate.

One hopes the rest of the party will take our warnings with more seriousness the next time they wish to nominate a broke, unemployed food service worker.

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PissOnUserNames@reddit

I was so excited 4 years ago when someone would randomly ask "who the hell is this jo jorgensen lady".

Never heard anyone ask who chase oliver is this year

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YellowHammerDown@reddit

While you can criticize elements of Jo's campaign, she did do a markedly better campaign from a messaging perspective. I became a libertarian because of her showing me that I was wrong about the war on drugs.

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PM_ME_DNA@reddit

I take back everything I said about Jojo and Gary Johnson. We have someone who’s actually a lot worse

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TheAzureMage@reddit

Yup. While imperfect, her campaign was light years ahead of Chase's.

She even went up against Trump, and Jill Stein's back again too, so it's a pretty fair comparison.

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Accidental-Genius@reddit

He was a clown.

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1_shade_off@reddit

Chase Oliver and Mike ter Maat are on a mission to remove government barriers that stand in the way of your dreams. Be part of the movement—help us break down these obstacles and make your aspirations a reality!

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TheAzureMage@reddit

How's that working out for them?

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RonaldFKNSwanson@reddit

*Is

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MAnthonyJr@reddit

yea probably bcs some of those video jo put out were fucking awesome.

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chuchrox@reddit

Same

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ClapDemCheeks1@reddit

I mean, if you tweet that you're "not a Ron Paul libertarian," that's pretty damning.

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patiofurnature@reddit

Meh, I still voted for him. Surely someone who thinks they’re a libertarian is better than someone who knows they’re a R or D.

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Redleg800@reddit

I was one of 52 people in my county that voted for em. lol

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user_1729@reddit

I wrote in another post. I'm registered LP, I'll vote LP. I'm not going to put a chase oliver yard sign out, but he'll get my vote. Dave Smith would get a yard sign, I still have a Ron Paul yard sign in my garage.

Mostly I just want more choices so I'll continue to support LP candidates when I don't think there's a better alternative.

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TopKekBoi69@reddit

This 100%. I’ll vote libertarian every single time as a recorded fuck you

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DarkHound05@reddit

I voted for him because of principle but I miss Amash or Jo as options. Seems like the party has started to be co-opted if our chair is endorsing trump

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htxcoog86@reddit

Say what you will, but this guy ahead some amazing results for a libertarian candidate…

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JonnyDoeDoe@reddit

The LP's viability as a political movement is inversely proportional to the Mises Caucus' involvement in it...

Just saying...

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stray_leaf89@reddit

Cope

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JonnyDoeDoe@reddit

I'm more of a "let's get shit done" kind of a guy than a just cope with it kind...

Was heavily involved in leadership of a different caucus, decided to drop party affiliation and just be a happy libertarian instead of a Libertarian...

The LP as a party is entirely too encompassing leading to fracture of the organization which contributes to its inability to build any consensus and move forward as a political philosophy... Mostly because the Mises Caucus is too busy calling everyone else a statist... (Joking...ok not really joking)

Breaking the duopoly will take a concerted effort that the current LP isn't capable of performing...

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stray_leaf89@reddit

I guarantee if the mises candidate would've been nominated rather than the all the back room dealing to skirt it, the libertarian party would be an enormous part of the national conversation. Joe rogan probably doesn't endorse trump and the republican party would be bending over backwards to get libertarian support away from mises caucus. Chase oliver is a joke. He might finish behind green party and a guy who said don't vote for me.

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TheAzureMage@reddit

Chase did not perform better in non-Mises states.

In fact, reporting so far indicates that he did worse.

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TitoLiebo@reddit

A lot of us voted Trump. I’m glad we did.

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Predsguy@reddit

Maybe next election cycle we nominate someone we actually like? I was proud to vote for Mama Jo 4 years ago. The thought of voting for Chase just makes me feel like I'm actually wasting my vote.

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Exciting_Vast7739@reddit

Justin Amash?

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castingcoucher123@reddit

I would hope a JoJo and Carly ticket would erupt. If we can roll out Weld, we should certainly be able to ask Mitch to come and play

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Accidental-Genius@reddit

The problem with the party is that we fundamentally hate centralized power which prevents us from organizing and getting our shit together long enough to actually run a campaign.

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Kekoa_ok@reddit

The age old 'nobody is the libertarian party's biggest rival than libertarians' or something like that

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Lord0Trade@reddit

I didn’t care for Jo, but she was miles ahead of Oliver.

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101bees@reddit

Same. I felt good to vote for Jo and Spike. This year I said "fuck it" and voted NOTA.

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axiomata@reddit

I've voted Libertarian for pres since 2004 when I was 19. First year writing in NOTA.

Hoping for Trump but wanting a clean conscience when he does something dumb.

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IronSkyRanger@reddit

Yeah, I mean, I threw my vote to him (lesser of the evils) but I loved Mama Jo. I had shirts, signs, stickers. I brought her up all the time. I honestly forgot about Chase. I was hoping Justin would have represented our party if we wanted to get some serious momentum.

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Main-Strike-7392@reddit

That's just what happens when a leftist infiltrator gets nominated.

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zzt0pp@reddit

Very little funding, LP national leadership told everyone to vote Trump, no national support in advertising / campaigning (maybe some X posts at the very end), wasn't on all 50 states, states like TN threw fits the candidate wasn't Dave Smith and refused to support getting him on the ballot, supposedly a tight race that third parties do generally poor in, etc

There was basically nothing going right. This is what you get when LP internal politics implode and what basically Oliver got by himself plus some LP name recognition.

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TheAzureMage@reddit

In TN, Chase hired canvassers that were not people known to be reliable, as experienced party members recommended.

The outsiders he hired turned in names with a ridiculously high failure rate, and failed to meet the insanely low standard. Fewer than 300 names were required.

TN was a Chase failure, open and shut.

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zzt0pp@reddit

In most states, the party chapter works with the campaign to get them ballot access. TN and others did not. Chase did have to do it on his own, and yes, failed. However, every TN LP member could have helped in the effort to get LP ballot access. It is due to both of them that TN citizens did not get it.

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BitsyVirtualArt@reddit

No one cared about Chase, just like Kamila.

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MattDaaaaaaaaamon@reddit

The party did a terrible job promoting him.

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TheAzureMage@reddit

That's literally his job as candidate, not the party's job.

You don't just show up and wait for the party to elect you, that's not how politics works.

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uknolickface@reddit

The party does worse in close elections because it is much easier to vote 3rd party when your vote matters less

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TheAzureMage@reddit

It is difficult to argue that this election is closer than 2020.

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IamFrank69@reddit

It also does worse with awful candidates like Chase Oliver.

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rofasix@reddit

He was not someone who anybody who take seriously. If Libertarians are serious about bringing the philosophy to governance they will need to start offering serious candidates.

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JeffTS@reddit

Here in NY, both Stein and Oliver were only write-in candidates due to changes that the Democratic Party made that make far more difficult for 3rd parties to exist in this state. While I'll never denigrate someone for doing a write-in, I truly believe that they aren't officially counted so I don't do write-ins.

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Embarrassed_Bat6101@reddit

He was the single worst candidate that the libertarian party has ever run. Which is fine, trump didn’t need anyone possibly spoiling it anyway.

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soonPE@reddit

Hahahahhaha

Chase who??

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iJayZen@reddit

I voted for him just to promote the party. I was indifferent to him until he wanted to fund trans operations...

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mecheterp96@reddit

I mean if you’ve been paying attention the LP leadership/MC basically abandoned him and made a deal with the devil to campaign hard for Trump

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Duc_de_Magenta@reddit

1) Trump put together a better coalition with libertarians than 2016/2020.

2) Kamala absolutely failed to build a coalition with anything resembling principled leftists; i.e. Jill Stein got a lot of the anti-Zionist votes.

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Daves_not_here_mannn@reddit

I did my part! I voted for him, even though he seems crazier than the other two, but I wanted to do my part to get him to 5%.

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Rare-Jackfruit-7670@reddit

The LP did this to themselves by allowing that worthless candidate to slip in as our representative. Good riddance, if you ask me.

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RepresentativeAspect@reddit

Yes, but an understandable reason might be that there were a lot more libertarians this year who felt they were in a position to affect the election of either Trump or Harris, and felt that was a better use of their vote.

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EnvironmentalMix9435@reddit

Makes sense, I still voted lib though because that’s what I believe in, even if I know they will probably lose for the foreseeable future lol

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EnvironmentalMix9435@reddit

Didn’t even hear him mention last night unfortunately

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sat_ops@reddit

On the bright side, the LP candidate in the Ohio Senate race broke 3%

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Jselonke@reddit

Chase Oliver was a poor candidate. The days of a Ron Paul are sadly behind us.

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McShagg88@reddit

Oliver is a joke.

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SRC2088@reddit

RFK is beating him and he's not even running.

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Benjilikethedog@reddit

I am shocked too… I didn’t expect great but better… I still voted for him

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VitalMaTThews@reddit

Kinda what happens when you say Ron Paul is stupid

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New-Possibility-7024@reddit

I think this election cycle the press was so anti-Trump they weren't going to let anyone be heard about that might take a single vote from Kamala. They were a LOT quieter about 3rd parties this year than I remember them ever being.

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IamFrank69@reddit

Good point. Unlike Johnson and RFK, Chase would've taken votes from the Democrats, which explains his absence in media coverage.

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phatsuit2@reddit

Trump owes Libertarians!

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IamFrank69@reddit

I'm optimistic he'll follow through on his promises to us.

Ross pardon and a libertarian in the cabinet!

And if Ron Paul is involved in the administration in any way, then it's an enormous blessing in disguise that Chase the Disgrace was the nominee!

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-Livingonmyown-@reddit

Bring back Gary Johnson!!!!!!

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IamFrank69@reddit

Lol no thanks

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ninjacereal@reddit

I voted Chase. But i know he has no shot. If I was in a swing state i would not vote Chase. If i knew Stein would lead Chase I would have voted her. For me there's more to it than picking a party. That's what got us into this inflection point.

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FunStrike343@reddit

Bro stein is literally the complete opposite of chase

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IamFrank69@reddit

Fiscally, yes. Culturally, no.

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SamHinkieIsMyDaddy@reddit

I have said it on this sub before and people got mad. I do not like chase. I voted trump but would LOVE to vote libertarian. Next election I'd be surprised if I didnt. I just really do not like chase. I think most of the party agrees... based on the lowest turnout in 12 years...

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IamFrank69@reddit

To me, he's no different from a Democrat. I would barely prefer him over Kamala.

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Thunder_Mage@reddit

Chase Oliver sucks, be more disappointed that he was the one chosen

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IamFrank69@reddit

To be fair, he won the nomination because of a super shady, back room deal with Ter Maat. Rectenwald was on a path to win easily.

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PM_ME_COOL_RIFFS@reddit

Nominating Oliver was a catastrophic mistake that torpedoed the party.

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IamFrank69@reddit

5D chess by Angela to get the president who will welcome libertarians into his inner circle

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spaghettisaucer42@reddit

Man if we come in 5th in this election it’s over

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Ulferas@reddit

He's just a Democrat who ran with an L next to his name

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DoomsdayTheorist1@reddit

RFK Jr was beating Oliver in one state and he dropped out.

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Organic_Opportunity1@reddit

Currently RFK is beating him in the National popular vote. 🤣

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FunStrike343@reddit

When someone made a joke about it. I couldn’t stop laughing 😭

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FunStrike343@reddit

He losing to RFK he not even running for the election 🤣

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Slowmaha@reddit

He got less votes than RFK Jr. this was an important election to move the liberty football one way or another. The fetish of libertarians to throw their vote away is troubling. I’ve proudly done it in several elections as a protest vote, but this wasn’t the election to do it.

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LostMyGunInACardGame@reddit

I disliked him more than I dislike Trump. So this election, at least at the presidential level, was voting for the person I dislike the least. Maybe in 4 years the party will select someone palatable.

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UsernameIsTakenO_o@reddit

My choices for president were:

A) a New York Democrat who violates just laws.

B) a California Democrat who prosecutes unjust laws

C) Chase fuckin Oliver

D) Wetsack O'Catshit

Voting for Oliver just because of an (L) is no better than voting for Harris just because of a (D). If you want my vote , then nominate a real Libertarian. Otherwise I have to rock this ridiculous "Wetsack O'Catshit" sticker for another 7 years.

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Mead_and_You@reddit

Dude, he did worse than RFK, who dropped out. What a fucking clown.

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TheMightySoup@reddit

Shocker. A democrat who rebrands himself doesn’t get many votes from people who can’t differentiate the libertarian from the democrat from the republican. Give it up. The libertarians need a libertarian candidate.

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swarmofpenguins@reddit

Next time go Mises or get out

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Killimus2188@reddit

I felt like Jo was all over my feeds last year and basically saw nothing for Chase at all this year. Voted Johnson in 2016 and Jo in 2020. Was actually planning on voting for RFK Jr. this year but the Dems blocked his candidacy in several key states. Once he came out in support of Trump, I ended up voting for him.

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