Why did so many die in Spain? Because Europe still hasn’t accepted the realities of extreme weather • Severe flooding is, unfortunately, inevitable. What isn’t inevitable is how ready we are, from early warning systems to emergency services
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TheJewPear@reddit
I don’t think it’s anything as complicated as that. It’s just corruption. So many countries in Europe are corrupt and wasteful, politicians have become experts at creating the facade that everything is fine, an illusion that they “do more with less money”, and then disasters come and expose these lies.
Weird_Point_4262@reddit
Yeah. Valencia has had huge mass fatality floods every 70 years or so. This isn't the first time it's happened, and it wasn't unpredictable. After the 1957 floods, many flood protections were built under plan sur. These have since fallen into disrepair.
Barcelona has underground floodwater storage, and the floodwater levels didn't reach anywhere near as high. The blame lies solely with infrastructure, blaming climate change only absolves those in power of guilt.
Malnourished_Manatee@reddit
Even cities like Paris with a lot more money to spend only got in action building flood reservoirs due to the olympic games.
The problem is with late action or no action at all, that the eventual cost after such a disaster will be much higher then if adequate preventions were taken.
TheJewPear@reddit
The integral problem is that politicians live from election to election and prefer to spend money on things that’ll get them more votes. So low probably risks and long term risks take a lower priority for them. “Why spend tons of money today on avoiding problems that will happen on someone else’s watch?”.
This is the reason for global warming issues, this is the reason most countries were ill prepared to deal with Covid, and this is the reason behind floods wrecking havoc in Spain. And we will continue to see symptoms of the same sickness.
Malnourished_Manatee@reddit
Then they should learn from the Dutch model. We have a separate branch of government tasked with maintaining the water. They hold their own elections and we dutch pay “waterschapsbelasting” basically taxes that go straight into the prevention of these disasters. I realise nobody would like the idea of paying extra taxes. But if it’s either that or being displaced from your home and losing family members I know what I would pick.
TheJewPear@reddit
I didn’t know such a thing exists. And this branch of government doesn’t answer to the rest of the government? Are they really fully independent on all things concerning water?
Malnourished_Manatee@reddit
They do work together, each existing party has their own representatives on the “water government” but they tend do be very local. Each municipality has his own and the representatives often are locals. Not sure how free they are in making decisions etc but as they have their own budget I think its fairly free.
I’m not much into politics tbh, the average dutch guy could probably explain it better or correct some of my mistakes.
TheJewPear@reddit
I guess what I’m getting at, let’s say one day a government is elected, and they decide to slash down the “water government” budget by half, and use that money to expand the military to make some political allies happy. Is there something blocking them from doing that?
fdenorman@reddit
They can't. The 'water boards' (literal translation) correct their own taxes to support the budget. Government would need to pass law (maybe constitutional change?) to extinguish them. Which is highly unlikely, since it is the oldest democratic institution in the country.
TheJewPear@reddit
Gotcha. That’s pretty cool then, I like it. I wish Italy had something like this focused on global warming… then again we can’t even seem to maintain roads correctly in most of the country.
Malnourished_Manatee@reddit
I’ve honestly got no clue what the rules are on that. I do know that if a politician would suggest cutting that budget in half they would not get any votes next election.
TheJewPear@reddit
Yeah, I’m not so sure. Depends what this half goes to. Politicians in other countries seem to have learned their voters are very short term biased, maybe the voters will rant about the lack of long term investments in things like global warming or flood protection or fire protection, but then they don’t vote by those topics, and so politicians generally don’t invest in the long term.
Malnourished_Manatee@reddit
Given our history with flood disasters I can’t think of a cause that money could go to. Even straight back into the taxpayers pocket would raise some eyebrows.
Fortnait739595958@reddit
Nope.
So many died because politicians gave the alarm at 8 p.m. when entire towns were flooded since 6 p.m.
Each of the 2 biggest parties, one governing valencia and the other the state were waiting for the other to take care so they could blame all financial and lives loss on the opponent, none of them did shit, by they time they did those people were already dead.
The flooding was massive, but deaths could have been way less if politicians werent a bunch of money seeking good for nothing idiots. Now they are being sued by the families of the victims and I hope they lose and rot in a cell
betweentwoblueclouds@reddit
It’s a tale as old as the world itself, only getting more and more true in the recent times: we need to stop voting for and electing incompetent people as our leaders.
joevarny@reddit
You guys get competent politicians to vote for? Where is this paradise?
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