The guy who landed on the highway in CA didn’t check his fuel and relied on his fuel gauge only.
Posted by pourian@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 322 comments
russellvt@reddit
This was posted a day or two ago in the BayArea sub, and oy the comments there were ... "scary." (Read: there are an amazing number of bozos out there)
I'm glad this only turned into a bit of "inconvenience" for some, rather than tragedy for others.
WholeYogurtcloset872@reddit
He thought of his wife and children. What about all those people he put in harm’s way? He is supposed to physically check his fuel levels in the preflight check before every take off. They should take his pilot’s privileges.
pucksnmaps@reddit
Me in my clapped out toyota every morning going to work
agfitzp@reddit
Thirty odd years ago, for reasons best forgotten, my car was a Pontiac Firefly. To give you some idea how bad this car was I’ll just say it had a 3 cylinder engine, by design.
When it was about 5 years old, starting it in the winter become… challenging… largely because I lived somewhere that -20C in January was perfectly normal. It got to the point where I went through a mental checklist every time I started:
- seatbelt: attached to avoid using power on the warning buzzer
- heating: off
- ventilation: off
- lights: off
- clutch pedal: down
do not touch the gas… ignition… exactly two seconds and hope it sparks
now give it just a touch of gas… and if its a good day it’s going
There’s a scene in Apollo 13 where they have to restart the command module with minimal power and it gave me flashbacks to starting my car at -20, right down the the frosty breath and the sublimation on the console.
exoxe@reddit
Pontiac Firefly? How did you keep all of the women off of you?
agfitzp@reddit
How I got laid that decade is a mystery to me.
kylekaemmer69@reddit
I loved my Geo Metro that thing would start in -40C like a champion 🤣 19 seconds to get to 100km/h. Muffler rotted out so it was just a menace on the roads
falcongsr@reddit
holy shit this is a real car? it must be a rebaged Geo Metro
agfitzp@reddit
Both the Firefly and the Metro were rebadged Suzuki Sprints
BoredBoredBoard@reddit
A takeoff checklist…for your car.
Shiny_and_ChromeOS@reddit
Before I got to your last paragraph, I was thinking the exact thing!
Far_Dragonfruit_1829@reddit
Main Bus B Undervolt
esposimi@reddit
Four more amps
letmesmellem@reddit
I been leaning just to get a few more miles outta that tank. No way I could fly a plane
imjustaperson147@reddit
I laughed harder than I should’ve
BuckDunford@reddit
I laughed out loud too
rba9@reddit
I would like to see this Toyota.
SeredW@reddit
Non-pilot here, wondering about this one. Are fuel gauges regularly unreliable in airplanes? Is it part of every preflight check to stick a dipstick into a fuel tank for instance?
Lormar@reddit
The carbon cub has sight tubes in the cockpit. They work great and can't give you an incorrect reading. They are up on either side of your head (one for each wing tank). One of the most foolproof designs for a fuel gauge. This guy was not paying attention.
SeredW@reddit
That is helpful, thanks!
effortninja@reddit
Might be hard to distinguish a full vs empty sight tube in the dark and on mental auto pilot.
Obvious-Hunt19@reddit
If he’d spent as much time on pre flight as he took to “compose” this
Rolex_throwaway@reddit
If his preflight was as full of mistakes his writing, it would explain a lot.
Rolex_throwaway@reddit
The terrible writing gives us some clues about how much attention he pays to detail.
Feffies_Cottage@reddit
His writing is his biggest crime.
FrankLloydWrong_3305@reddit
This dude sounds fucking insufferable
PA-28Pilot@reddit
The guy stays in character at least—he had his glam cowboy get up as the cell phone photos of him and first responders pushing the plane to the shoulder have been popping up.
that_dutch_dude@reddit
well, with any luck he might end up as the next president.
FrankLloydWrong_3305@reddit
A depressingly large chunk of the population would struggle to read this and think "oh he sounds smart and brave"
that_dutch_dude@reddit
well, at least this guy can write a complete sentence so thats a plus....
No-Thanks-6903@reddit
I took flying lessons in NY although I never got a license. You don’t trust the gauges. You measure them and check the ports to make sure the fuel is not contaminated. There is a pre flight you must do.
BrianWantsTruth@reddit
This guy seems like he would sell $4000 tickets to a creative writing seminar. Separate from the actual story, I can’t stand how he articulates it.
rooh62@reddit
His use of similes is horrific
Katana_DV20@reddit
Same, it's like nails on a chalkboard
LargeAd4852@reddit
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MAKE IT STOP
w-alien@reddit
Neither coral or corral make much sense
LargeAd4852@reddit
coral you can see what he's going for and it almost works, but not quite, like a lot of metaphors. but the ooze of it all is infuriating
computertechie@reddit
Corral as in a (usually tight) enclosure? I'm not a fan of his writing either but I think it works fine enough.
LargeAd4852@reddit
i could only see it as a reference to cracked concrete, cars and telephone poles being compared to a bed of coral and its ecosystem.
how would corral work, only because where is the enclosure part? Yes the concrete road is where it comes to rest and what prevents it from moving, but an enclosure is supposed to be surrounding something right?
Katana_DV20@reddit
Perfectly said, this is what I was trying to convey but you nailed it absolutely!
IDoNotDrinkBeer@reddit
We're not gonna talk about the rest of the sentence? This dude can't write.
LargeAd4852@reddit
me indicating excitement or a dire situation:
"As if out of an apocalyptic movie, ..."
Far_Dragonfruit_1829@reddit
Yeah, that right there is where the breakers on my brain tripped.
There's some bullshit going on here.
SaratogaFlyer@reddit
God this is no Joke. My throat grew thick as I read it while my wife and children slept. No one to blame but myself for reading it. Thus consequence. A note of gratitude I never have to read it again.
Ivebeenfurthereven@reddit
My wife and mother met me the next morning, yet this post had annoyed me too much to enjoy their company.
stovenn@reddit
Bloody right! Chappie pancaked his parched crate on the frog and toad like a fairy chicken but deffo needs another twelve moon in banter school.
WntrWltr@reddit
Every time I hop into the cockpit, I legit ask myself “have I done and checked everything I need to do to not end up on YouTube today”.
grapesodabandit@reddit
The modern version of "imagine this situation as an NTSB report" lol
Draked1@reddit
Shit my dad and I are boaters and we learned the hard way not to trust the fuel gauge, ended up putting our sailboat on the rocks in LA/Long Beach
VanGoesHam@reddit
"Don't end up on Broncos guru" is the boat equivalent I think
Opposite-Shoulder260@reddit
What if you want to be on youtube that day? did you include your parachute?
godzilla9218@reddit
That will get you in trouble, as a YouTuber found out in the last year.
Any_Refuse5318@reddit
Really?
Kentesis@reddit
Yea just look up "YouTuber Trevor Jacob fakes plane crash" He uploaded a YouTube video pretending to crash his plane but then people slowed the video down and saw he had put multiple gopros on the outside of the plane, uncharacteristically packed a parachute, and had a fire extinguisher hidden in his pant leg
John_EightThirtyTwo@reddit
That's so unfair. He really crashed that plane.
Kentesis@reddit
Good point lol. He did it on purpose but tried to make it look accidental for views is what I'm trying to get across
John_EightThirtyTwo@reddit
Oh yes, totally valid point. And I also agree completely with the overarching idea, which is, what a dick!
papafrog@reddit
What was the pant leg fire extinguisher for? Spontaneous combustion on the way down?
jccaclimber@reddit
Optimistically, not having his crash site burn down half the forest. Pessimistically, not having a fire at his crash site burn the memory card in all the cameras he mounted.
papafrog@reddit
Ah. He really thought he'd be able to hike to the crash site and put out a fire before things melted... that is truly optimistic. Just as optimistic as the NTSB/FAA believing he had engine trouble.
jlt6666@reddit
Is this not at least one felony?
guzzijason@reddit
He served 6 months in prison, so… yeah.
Reasonable-Level-849@reddit
Hope the Hardcore Jail Frat' played "Pass The Soap"
Cu*t gets all what he deserves
PickleZygote@reddit
Don’t want to forget your Ridge ™️ wallet!
SpartanDoubleZero@reddit
I don’t have a ridge wallet so I just play raid shadow legends on the way down.
msnrcn@reddit
While wearing raycons
PoliticalDestruction@reddit
“And it was about that time I asked if I had made the right decision, which is why I made the decision to parter with better help…”
PorkyMcRib@reddit
And your John Denver eight track collection
ExperTripper@reddit
Or your friend in a bag! 🥳
42degausser@reddit
Okay DB Cooper
FlyNSubaruWRX@reddit
And fire extinguisher
haywire@reddit
I'm not a pilot, but is there some sort of physical list of checks pilots can refer to to make sure that they have done everything?
combustioncycle@reddit
From a 121 driver, add “don’t do something to end up on VASAviation today” to the list
senorpoop@reddit
My private instructor would say "when you're briefing your flight plan decision making, imagine it in the voice of the narrator of the Air Safety Institute YouTube channel"
binod_roxx@reddit
Still the Air China pilot is not cleared to the ramp.
66Troup@reddit
Not Blancolirio!
stug_life@reddit
Isn’t that what check lists are for?
Tyrannosaurus-Shirt@reddit
Dipping the fuel tanks is part of the walk-around checklist. No way he forgot to do it, just willfully skipped it and nearly got people killed.
LightningGeek@reddit
Depends what the checklist says.
If "Check Fuel" only appears in the pre start part of the check list, and not in the pre flight, you're less likely to check the physical tanks and rely on the gauge.
A badly written checklist can be worse than no checklist at all.
ProudlyWearingThe8@reddit
Don't forget the general aviation prayer:
"Dear gods of the sky,
please don't let me end up in a Dan Gryder video.
Amen."
Ok_Independent_7499@reddit
Underrated comment
dinanm3atl@reddit
A good thought process. First thing I do when I pull the plane out is pop open the oil dipstick door. And it is left open the entire time. As I trained myself to check the oil last which also includes physically checking the fuel level. Whether I got fuel. Didn't get fuel. Already checked it. Etc.
I close the door and know my fuel level(and oil level).
TheOvercookedFlyer@reddit
My fear is that I end up on Pilot Debrief's YT channel.
duderino_okc@reddit
That kind of fear is healthy and keeps you sharp.
KangarooImpossible19@reddit
He did end up on youtube!
https://youtu.be/6gjcoeKBaRs?si=PzgLRh7wDrHdlj-I
DiosMIO_Limon@reddit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointing_and_calling > getting pointed and laughed at
WntrWltr@reddit
When I am departing the G650 I maintain, we actually do the pointing thing for things like gear pins, pitot covers, chocks, etc. I feel like it slows you down and visually confirms you’re looking at a specific item and have confirmed it’s in the configuration you want it to be in.
coffeecosmoscycling@reddit
My check whenever I'm about to do something a bit sketchy is to always picture the reddit thread afterwards and do everything to turn it into a "shit happens" vs "fucking dumbass" response lol
Jonslave@reddit
This guy must be insufferable.
Loquacious-Jellyfish@reddit
I did not expect to confuse this sub with r/LinkedInLunatics but here we are...
I really have to wonder why he chose to explain himself in such a public forum when there's probably an active investigation into this incident.
fellowhomosapien@reddit
I suppose when everybody clapped at the end, he felt that they remained unconvinced of his commitment to the team's core values
Haaanginout@reddit
Why would you trust a pilot that skipped pre-check?
Conch-Republic@reddit
Lol, that dude is such an unlikable dork.
_da_da_da@reddit
"I'm a pilot"
"As a back-country bush pilot"
"I am a pilot"
"as a backcountry bush pilot"
"having just crossed the Sierra’s in a small plane"
"I fly a small plane"
wrongwayup@reddit
How do you know you've met a pilot...
sgtfuzzle17@reddit
Aiming for public sympathy with the way he’s written it
QuietQTPi@reddit
I feel like most people in aviation are very quick and to the point. It annoys me how much fluff he added to make it a story rather than informative.
windjetman62@reddit
He had to let everyone know he flew over the Apple campus…
Shortbus_Playboy@reddit
To be fair, Apple’s HQ is a very unique building, easily recognizable from altitude, so it could’ve just been the only thing below him he could easily use as a landmark.
ra_hill2@reddit
But he was never over the Apple campus. That part seems like a total fabrication.
grandnyc234@reddit
Define campus? All their buildings scattered all over cupertino and palo alto?? Sure, he was over campus /s
ra_hill2@reddit
Barely made it to Cupertino, nowhere near Palo Alto. Unless there’s something in Los Gatos that you’d call a campus, that seems iffy. Look at the flight track (N92LG).
Far_Dragonfruit_1829@reddit
He landed on 85 at Stevens Creek. I doubt he was anywhere near Apple. Even the old hq at Infinite Loop is northeast of his track.
alexrepty@reddit
Stevens Creek is full of Apple offices in downtown Cupertino though
Hoe-possum@reddit
Yeah and that flying is his means of commuting
jlt6666@reddit
And those pesky Porsches. The real villains here
RealLiveGirl@reddit
And he did it hours after this happened. Like he was rescued, greeted his family, and wrote this over elaborate post.
GroguWitARoku@reddit
These two statements seem to be in conflict. Also love the cowboy pilot glamour shot GIF
Loquacious-Jellyfish@reddit
There's a lot to unpack just in the home page
XtraFlaminHotMachida@reddit
I was completely confused as well.
windjetman62@reddit
Is this on fucking LinkedIn???
“Yesterday, I didn’t pre flight and had to execute an emergency landing. Here’s what I learned why I’m a better pilot today.”
CoastRegular@reddit
Waiting for his TED talk...
ExtraterritorialPope@reddit
Got my dick ready
Haaanginout@reddit
Lol but what?
AHrubik@reddit
Maintain eye contact.
Jolly_Line@reddit
FR. The story telling / sing songy tone of an emergency write up is bizarre.
peggypea@reddit
It really jumped the shark at the child savings account simile.
Jolly_Line@reddit
💯 And in that vain, money referenced multiple times.
Shortfranks@reddit
It is LinkedIn
W00DERS0N60@reddit
“Normal Monday commute from Carmel to Palo Alto.” Seriously.
One_True_Monstro@reddit
Almost died from landing on a freeway. Here’s what I learned about B2B SAAS
Logical_Figure9702@reddit
He and his father have been involved in some of the shadiest business dealings imaginable for decades. Would be funny if it finally came to light on account of this
Remote_Horror_Novel@reddit
We’re probably going to find out he staged this for clout the way that is written lol.
in-den-wolken@reddit
I had exactly the same reaction.
wp381640@reddit
"here's what it taught me about B2B SaaS sales"
onlyhere4gonewild@reddit
r/LinkedInLunatics
WoodyWoodsta@reddit
Does this guys write adolescent novels as well?
suuntasade@reddit
The mention of gun sounds so weird
suuntasade@reddit
The mention of gun sounds so weird
kauaicuda@reddit
What kind of insane theatrical BS is that writeup ?
wabbitsilly@reddit
What an almost insufferable read. Bunch of drivel 'diarrhea of the mouth' puked onto paper.
It's like he's trying to (poorly) write a novella where he's some sort of superhero.
No, he's just a moron. The man must be starved for attention (or relevance) in the rest of his life.
Dude must be a riot to talk to. He turned "Ran out of Gas" into a multi-page monologue full of platitudes, analogies, etc..
Cmrippert@reddit
The real lesson here is dont be a fucking idiot like this guy and self snitch while waxing poetic. Also dont run out of gas, that is illegal.
FriendZone53@reddit
Why don’t we have reliable fuel gauges? We’ve got SpaceX catching rockets with chopsticks, maybe some of those guys could come up with low cost, reliable, retrofit fuel gauges? Or is this a FAA cert issue rather than a tech+cost issue?
Lormar@reddit
This aircraft has perfectly reliable fuel gauges. Sight tubes in the wing root. They can't be wrong, they are just clear extensions of the fuel tank. Fool proof design, as long as you are actually looking at them...
karlkimble@reddit
Wait, old cubs have the sight gauges at the wing root in the cockpit. Do these fancy new cubs have the same thing or something way fancier?
Lormar@reddit
That's how they are done in the carbon cub. Sight tubes. They can't be wrong cause they are just visible extensions of the fuel tank. He wasn't paying attention
styckx@reddit
I respect anyone who owns their mistakes. You can only get better by acknowledging your fuck ups and owning them.
Guam671Bay@reddit
You can own your mistakes without throwing it on social media. Doubt feds are happy with him.
Lormar@reddit
They are probably thrilled cause he is doing their job for them.
AccountHuman7391@reddit
I know this pilot; it is not his first time with fuel issues….
This-Current-7366@reddit
Yes tell us
jlt6666@reddit
Story time please.
rebel_cdn@reddit
The rich man in his Carbon Cub thought he knew better. He did not know better. The sky does not care about your Tesla stock options or your morning commute or your important meeting in Palo Alto. The sky is patient. The sky waits.
He took off from Carmel that morning. He thought the gauges said full. He believed them. A man who flies should know better than to believe.
Dale Snodgrass knew better. Snodgrass danced with F-14s like they were his lovers. He knew the sky. But one morning he forgot a gust lock and the sky took him. The sky always takes what it is owed.
The Silicon Valley pilot counted power lines like a child counts pennies. He picked his highway like a man picking produce at Whole Foods. The sky laughed.
The sky remembers Bill Anders, who went to the moon and back. Anders knew the sky better than any man alive. But one day over Puget Sound, he pulled up late in his T-34. The sky did not care about his lunar orbit. The sky took him too.
Our friend in his fancy Carbon Cub landed between San Jose and San Francisco. His wife and children slept while he played chicken with SUVs at dawn. He walked away. The sky let him walk away. This time.
But the sky waits. And the sky never forgets.
Don't want to dance with death? Check your fuel. Check twice. Check three times. Or join Snodgrass and Anders in the long, quiet dark. The sky has room for all of us. The sky has time. And the sky always wins.
Lormar@reddit
And, just so everyone is clear, a carbon cub fuel gauge can't be wrong. And it's next to your head. I look at them constantly during flight. He just didn't pay attention
baybridge501@reddit
Is this written by his spiteful brother?
jnolta@reddit
Pilot prose. "The skies were angry that day, my friend!"
apt64@reddit
Like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli.
garnern2@reddit
I thought the douchebaggery of the pilot who posted the recap couldn’t be topped.
I was wrong.
pattern_altitude@reddit
Well, really it was the surface...
rebel_cdn@reddit
The ground is what happens when the sky decides to stop holding you up.
ekdaemon@reddit
He was sent to the surface by the sky, because it rejected him.
CeleryStickBeating@reddit
Small aircraft should be required to carry an air horn or install an auto horn.
PD28Cat@reddit
this is how we wrote in high school for descriptive writing assignments
weirdbeardwolf@reddit
Why does this feel like ChatGPT wrote it?
rcbif@reddit
When a failed romance novelist becomes an even worst pilot....
InigoMontoya1985@reddit
"My wife, my dear mother, greeting me..."
Ohhhh-kayyyy.
lepobz@reddit
Lucky he has the chance to learn from his mistake. Others aren’t so lucky. No room for complacency.
sablerock7@reddit
And learn he will. The FAA doesn’t take too kindly to fuel exhaustion due to poor planning.
James_TF2@reddit
I can’t tell you the amount of times my CFIs made it clear to me that Poor Prior Planning Produces Piss Poor Performance. If, after all of their time put into me, I had to make an emergency landing because I didn’t check my fuel, I’d happily expect the FAA and NTSB to throw the whole damn library at me. I expect the same for this guy.
Diogenes256@reddit
What might be the consequences?
T-701D-CC@reddit
Suspension of his certificate
surfdad67@reddit
If he files an ASAP and immediately comes clean, most likely he will not get suspended, depends on injuries to other people and damage to other property.
Good_Background_243@reddit
Yeah I've noticed most aviation authorities will cut you a little more slack if you immediately own up and do the paperwork.
mattrussell2319@reddit
Classic Just Culture. It’s something we can all learn from
RoughCobbles@reddit
That's by design. You don't want pilots to hide their errors. You want them to report them so others can learn. Of course this policy has limits.
Good_Background_243@reddit
Agreed and it's a very good policy. Frankly, that level of common sense from a government agency astounds me.
DDX1837@reddit
“Files an ASAP”???
LMAO
fliesupsidedown@reddit
We had an inspector with our version of the FAA run a twin out of fuel, on the job.
Ivebeenfurthereven@reddit
Well it's a twin, it was using twice as much fuel, could happen to anyone ^(/s)
chantheman30@reddit
New here, do you have to physically check for fuel instead of relying on the fuel gauge solely?
cattleyo@reddit
I was taught "two independent means" both before and during flight. So before flight that's usually 1) how much fuel did I just put in the tanks and 2) what does the dipstick say. During flight it's usually 1) what does the gauge say and 2) what does my watch say.
Before flight the dipstick is probably good enough by itself because there's not much that can go wrong, except maybe using the wrong dipstick or mis-reading it somehow. Before you dip, think to yourself "how much am I expecting" and when you dip if it's not close to what you expect, think about why not. If you just filled the tank to the brim (you yourself not someone else) and you know for a certainty the tank's usable capacity that's probably good enough by itself. Otherwise, always two independent means.
SarcasmWarning@reddit
It gets annoying when you accidentally check the fuel gage on the ground and then have to climb out onto the wing to dip it at cruise...
Joey_D3119@reddit
Amateurs.... You Need a Cub, the fuel gauge is the physical check its a sight glass you get to see your fuel sloshing around while you fly.... No fuel in the glass you ain't gotz no gas!! ;-)
And if you have any moisture or crap in the system you can see that shit floating around in there too.
Far_Dragonfruit_1829@reddit
That's what the copilot is for! Sheesh! Amateurs!
lepobz@reddit
Yes, including the quality of the fuel. Contaminants I.e. water is just as dangerous as no fuel.
Ivebeenfurthereven@reddit
I learned this from, of all places, James May on Top Gear
His preflight checks sampling the wing tanks for water contamination made it onto the episode.
OnslowBay27@reddit
The only time a fuel gauge is required to be correct in the quantity indicated is when the gauge is reading empty on an empty tank.
DibsOnTheCookie@reddit
Eh, that’s mostly a myth. In practice I’d never trust one of course, but the regs don’t really say that. The fuel gauge must exist and show fuel remaining, and 0 must be calibrated as no usable fuel remaining.
Far_Dragonfruit_1829@reddit
But there's no spec on accuracy for fuel remaining.
DibsOnTheCookie@reddit
There’s isn’t one for the compass or the tachometer either (or maybe there’s?) yet these are generally considered somewhat accurate. Fuel gauges definitely deserve their rep but it’s not rooted in the regs.
maverickps1@reddit
This is a rumor that needs to die.
All gauges must be working properly
dr_n2o@reddit
I check every time. Depending on the aircraft, but in my Cherokee I’m literally standing right there. Takes extra 15s per side.
icarlythejackel@reddit
IIRC, the Cherokee has no dipstick. I seem to recall it has tabs just under the fuel caps that indicate something like 1/2 to 3/4 full. Is that correct?
Far_Dragonfruit_1829@reddit
My PA28-161 had half full tabs only.
good_pupper@reddit
There are dipsticks for both the 36 gallon and 50 gallon tanks, I just bought one for mine (50g). Haven’t gotten a chance to use it yet but I’ll see tomorrow how accurate it is.
Far_Dragonfruit_1829@reddit
Way back when I was trainig, the rule on gas gauges was simple: if the tank is empty, the gauge must read empty. That's it.
You could replace your gauge with a post-it reading "empty" and still be legal.
I never trusted the gauges.
Alexfinnertytattoos@reddit
Yes
chantheman30@reddit
How is it done? Some kind of dip stick or minu fuel windows on the tank area?
Wr3nch@reddit
Dipstick, visual tabs with gallon markers, or simply topping it off every time. Remember that the three most useless things in aviation are: runway behind you, air above you, and fuel that isn’t in the tanks
Alexfinnertytattoos@reddit
Yeah on most GA planes you visually verify by dipstick/looking into the wing tanks
timmy186gtr@reddit
Depends on the type of plane I'll imagine, but on a Cessna you use a dipstick.
trying_to_adult_here@reddit
Fun fact: you can use a dipstick in transport category aircraft too for certain fuel gauge MELs.
Please nobody tell my captains about this accident or I’ll have more of them calling me to say “hey, I know the MEL procedure says we can dipstick the tanks, but one time in the 80s that didn’t work. Let’s add 8000 pounds of fuel to be sure.”
Sure captain. Look for that amended release in just a moment. I’ll have load planning call the fueler back out. Sigh.
countingthedays@reddit
Dip stick in each wing, generally.
-RandomGeordie@reddit
Just one in the cockpit on this occasion.
nataliepoorman@reddit
He shouldn’t be allowed to fly again.
sjgbfs@reddit
What in the Linkedin novel ... this can't be real?!
Less pompous verbiage, more actual pre-flight maybe? wtf
Relative-Swimmer-487@reddit
3 minutes sooner and it would have just been you at risk, not everyone on the highway whose lives you endangered with your complacency..
ap2patrick@reddit
That’s like the first thing my instructor drilled into my head was to calculate your fuel and check it with the dipstick…
Curious-Owl6098@reddit
Posts like these are one of the many reasons I deleted LinkedIn. And I’m a pilot. FAR 91.205. He didn’t have working fuel gauges so is airplane wasn’t airworthy. A pre flight on a small general aviation plane like this takes a whopping 10-15 minutes. Part of that is checking your fuel caps and visually confirming your fuel. I understand mistakes like this can happen to anyone and we aren’t invulnerable. But posting on LinkedIn about how you’re some hero and humble bragging the whole time screams cringe and tool.
blowurhousedown@reddit
He’s a shitty writer. And not much of a pilot either.
lionelum@reddit
I'm taking lessons on an old Cessna 150, I use to work as car mechanic. First time that I did pre flight check I wondering why I had to check fuel if fuel gauges should be work, well when I checked fuel I found a difference between gauges and how much fuel really have. Lesson learned and Never ever trust again in fuel gauge, checklist exist for something =)
GOF63@reddit
Isn’t it part of the “walk round?” Complacency kills and all that.
hughk@reddit
He walked around. You don't mean to say that he had to check anything?
Southern_Armadillo_3@reddit
Trust but verify. That old one is always true.
uros198@reddit
Sully!
turboj3t@reddit
Always dip your tank/s before Taking off TRUST KNOW ONE!!!!!!!
Dave_A480@reddit
TBF I once learned that my experimental didn't have a main-to-aux fuel-flow checkvalve when all my main-tank fuel (on a plane with 2 aux tanks that pump up into a main header) went into the selected aux and out the vent line.... Causing an emergency landing because I thought the aux was empty & the main was full....
Apparently the designer thought 'people will always put the fuel selector to off when not transferring'...
It's got a checkvalve now.
JekobuR@reddit
Looks like he was getting a lot of hate in the comments and edited his post. It's only a short paragraph now he got rid of a lot of the details.
sha1dy@reddit
Rich people problems, cry me a river
phaederus@reddit
Thought I was on /r/LinkedInLunatics for a second there..
Skye-Commander@reddit
That was a gripping tale! He should become a writer
airbagsavedme@reddit
Comes off as extremely arrogant considering how selfish it really was
Public-Cookie5543@reddit
If it can happen to a Mig23 pilot in a combat mission (it did) it can happen to everyone.
pdxnormal@reddit
Well, if it didn't actually happen he has found a new calling as a Harliqiun novel writer.
makebbq_notwar@reddit
I hope he writes emails like this too.
wiltony@reddit
I actually hate this overly-verbose-for-no-reason writing style. It sounds too theatrical, fake, and like they're trying to get good marks in a creative writing class. So irritating.
A lot of words with very little said.
Flyingkittycat@reddit
You should go read his substack. It is deliciously shitty. I’ve groaned out loud 5 times in 2 short posts.
mctomtom@reddit
Yeah, this was super painful to read. "Counting the power lines like dwindling money in a child's savings account?" ...like where the actual fuck did that come from. This guy took one creative writing class from a Groupon and wonders why he no longer has any friends.
Far_Dragonfruit_1829@reddit
Groupon! 😂😂😂
laparotomyenjoyer@reddit
The writing makes him seem very punchable
MISTERDIEABETIC@reddit
I'm just curious as to how manny soccer fields im CA hsve children playing on them at 6am
SarcasmWarning@reddit
Compared to cars with people in them on the road at 6am, pretty high I'd say.
I bet only 20% of those moving vehicles had drivers where as a big mostly empty at the best of times field was likely to be packed o.0
Pooty_Tang1594@reddit
I’m really glad someone else felt discomfort from his writing style. Written like a high school junior in AP writing
ReverseMermaidMorty@reddit
My eyes still haven’t stopped rolling. Holy shit this dude is full of himself.
PavlovianTactics@reddit
It's all arrogance. I have friends like this. They all write like they're the next NYT best seller.
Poetic_Juicetice@reddit
What the fuck dude - I can't get this wine out of my nose after I laughed at that "Groupon" line
LetsPunchThoseNazis@reddit
It's like he's trying to use his aviation fuck up as a segue in to a career in his passion, writing, since he's now scared of flying.
karma_the_sequel@reddit
He’s a better pilot than he is a writer.
JJohnston015@reddit
But wait, he ran out of gas and had to....oh.
CallOfCorgithulhu@reddit
I see it on Reddit a lot in the story-based subs. Nothing makes me think a story is fake more than that style of writing. It feels like people use it to obscure points that make the story obviously fake.
Cat_City_Bitch@reddit
It’s very LinkedIn. Like a dumb person trying to sound smart, but who didn’t take any comp classes past junior high.
StickingBlaster@reddit
I disagree, its a pleasure to read something from an articulate wordsmith. There is so much rubbish written now.
Cat_City_Bitch@reddit
lol it’s trash writing.
Soaptowelbrush@reddit
If this is a wordsmith then I’m a fighter pilot.
NicknameKenny@reddit
If you're a fighter pilot then I'm a super villain.
Valve00@reddit
He's trying to gain clout online from his severe fuck up which is even more sickening. A well written story like this will gain traction QUICKLY, and while well written, it isn't an action movie, it's real life with real consequences, and THAT'S what turns me off about the whole thing.
karma_the_sequel@reddit
I concur.
Soaptowelbrush@reddit
Agreed. The writing makes me feel like he didn’t take the situation seriously at all.
John_EightThirtyTwo@reddit
I'm with you. He thinks he's so cute. He should point that big brain at his goddamn checklists.
N314ER@reddit
This would have been a good comment…however it’s really lacking in creativity. Have you considered having Peterson Conway look it over?
isademigod@reddit
Not to mention, what a dumb idea to write a 1000 word essay about what happened to give the NTSB and FAA written evidence
Typical_Tart6905@reddit
Probably uses ChatGPT?
night_flight3131@reddit
Some people just like writing prosaically?
Typical_Tart6905@reddit
That is true, but in this situation, it doesn’t seem likely. I’m a retired military and airline pilot. In my experience, accident or incident summaries are usually matter of fact, not waxing poetic. - Just my take.
ore0s@reddit
I asked ChatGPT to rephrase the story while staying 100% true to the original content. It's not as good.
On a routine Monday morning commute from Carmel to Palo Alto at 6:00 AM, I faced a stark reminder that everything has limits. My engine failed shortly after takeoff.
As I passed over the coastal range, the engine sputtered, forcing me to declare an emergency on Apple’s campus frequency. “Can you make San Jose?” Air Traffic Control asked when I issued my mayday call. “Negative,” I responded, scanning my surroundings. Silence engulfed the cabin. My choice was stark: glide towards a cluster of buildings or aim for the freeway that, from above, appeared serene but was actually filled with a sea of headlights—a rush of commuters already on their way. The highway wasn’t an inviting sight, yet it was the only option. A sparse section of the northbound lane caught my eye, wedged between packed lanes. Counting down the moments, I aimed for it and approached the landing.
I dumped the flaps, the plane’s frame slicing through the air as I prepared to touch down on the freeway—a precarious strip of concrete. The craft hit the ground, bucking and shaking as it settled. Miraculously, I avoided speeding cars and barriers. Two SUVs passed dangerously close. Planting firmly on asphalt, not sand, I brought my wife and child safely to a stop.
I opened the door, stepping out to solid ground. Unexpectedly, an armed, un-uniformed man appeared, halting traffic to keep us safe as we maneuvered my craft out of danger. Sirens approached, but no one was hurt. Grateful, I watched as first responders, a damaged police car hit by a distracted motorist, and mechanics from Palo Alto arrived. The plane was removed, not in the majestic way it was meant to, but unceremoniously lifted from a flatbed truck. “Hold the brakes!” the tow truck driver yelled, ensuring my plane didn’t shift during the move. Meeting me there were my wife and my mother.
Ultimately, I had only myself to blame. I may have assumed I had enough fuel, and my gauges might have shown it was full. We are limited by our choices, and I had missed precautions that might have prevented this. That was the consequence. Had this occurred three minutes earlier over the Santa Cruz Mountains, the results would have been drastically different.
Andrew_the_giant@reddit
The only chatgpt likeness to chatgpt I can see are the analogies. Other than that it feels well articulated, but who knows it probably is
taft@reddit
you know this guy was completely nude writing his 5th revision of how he ran out gas endangering lives
bullwinkle8088@reddit
And what’s wrong with that? Clothing at home is optional…
Cant_Work_On_Reddit@reddit
Disagree, was wearing a cowboy hat
Hangoverman@reddit
I was expecting a recipe at the end...
N314ER@reddit
If only he put as much thought into his preflight…
DaimonHans@reddit
I hope everything else is written this way.
looker94513@reddit
Was n
BeautifulFantastic34@reddit
KMRY he called In the fuel Order over the phone, showed up 15 mins later. Watch him taxi away while we grab the fuel truck. There are other services to do, just because you call in an order doesn’t mean you jump ahead of other customers. Pilots leave all the time not wanting to wait in line for fuel.
looker94513@reddit
Not once did I hear him mention Monterey Airport. Several times it was Carmel. I can't tell you how many times I've been delayed cuz I've had to wait for fuelers. It was a big bone of contention when they made it strictly an FBO service. After years of bitching about a lack of service from the FBO, they added a self-serve here. I would never not check the tanks after making an order to an FBO. Why is claiming he's flying from Carmel when(apparently) it's based at Monterey... That's a rhetorical question. I see that the Dude is not being forthcoming and straight with the facts.
_da_da_da@reddit
He edited his original post. The new one is shorter but just as bad
Also the comments:
"Glad you are well. Never forget the preflight checklist, I learned that when I was taking classes in Hayward at 14 years old."
Tango_Whiskey16@reddit
I was on the freeway last year and saw this guy loosing altitude , just north of VIS.
He was ferrying the plane, didn’t dip the tanks, just trusted the gauges.
AVeryHeavyBurtation@reddit
losing
OpeningHighway1951@reddit
One weekend I and family got in my. PA28 to go from our home in western NY to Eastern Tennessee. Made a fuel and lunch stop in WV. Checked the fuel before continuing. I had an STC to burn autogas that the line crew saw. Wouldn't you know it, the line crew filled my Cherokee with jet fuel. So drain that and try for 80LL avgas. Glad I checked the fuel before launching out over the WV Mountains.
yabadabaddoo62@reddit
https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/N92LG Check out the flight path and then go look at Google maps... De Anza fields are right there open for landing
CNTMODS@reddit
I absolutely hate the way this is written.
progdaddy@reddit
He sounds almost proud of himself.
DuelJ@reddit
I feel like this dude could just as well drink 10 shots of vodka, wrap his car around a stop sign, and then call it "a difficult lesson"
faster_tomcat@reddit
I note the ambiguity (legalese) about exactly what he did or did not do/observe with regards to the fuel level in the tanks and the state of the fuel gauges.
I think it's a violation of FARs (laws) to take off with insufficient fuel for the planned flight.
odinsen251a@reddit
As with most things, intent is the crime. The FAR is meant to dissuade pilots from intentionally skirting their fuel minimums, and I seriously doubt he intended to take off with insufficient fuel, and this was more a lapse in judgement to not verify his fuel quantity. A deadly serious one, to be sure, and one that can be easily avoided by simply going through your checklists each and every time, but probably not an intentional violation of the regs.
Obligatory nal/nla.
cattleyo@reddit
Nobody deliberately takes off with insufficient fuel, the question is whether he was reckless or negligent, and the answer to that depends on whether he neglected to carry out certain procedures/checks that any reasonable & responsible pilot would have done. I class "remember to check your fuel" about the same as "remember to keep breathing in and out" i.e. you shouldn't need a checklist for that.
in-den-wolken@reddit
Not unless their true goal is to create some publicity-worth event.
iNapkin66@reddit
Lawyers don't mean "intent" the way that us non lawyers do. When they say intent, they mean acting knowingly, purposely (the ways we mean it) or recklessly or negligently. So he could have negligently/recklessly skipped checking his fuel level, and that is intent.
andin321@reddit
FAR 91.103 He's for sure trying to cover his ass with the legalese, sure took the long way around taking responsibility for his screw up.
Overspeed_Cookie@reddit
And never flying again, right?
Toebean_Assy@reddit
User error.
Slappy_McJones@reddit
Thank you for the lesson. Noted.
EntrepreneurAny8835@reddit
So he is better in telling stories than piloting.
Muchbetterthannew@reddit
And he sure sucks at telling stories
budas_wagon@reddit
That's putting it mildly
FifeFifeFife@reddit
Dummy dumb dumb
topher_black@reddit
So funny enough he took this post down because it's ridiculous and replaced it with a shorter yet still smug version. https://www.linkedin.com/posts/petersonconway_pilot-of-small-plane-details-scary-emergency-activity-7259430398802239489-wzvR?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop
TRAW9968@reddit
What’s a preflight…
S70nkyK0ng@reddit
OMG…terrifying…did some things right…did some things bad…my bad…namaste
Doc_Hank@reddit
You don't get any sympathy for doing that
cyclicsquare@reddit
Thought I was reading an r/LinkedInLunatics post for a minute
BiggyShake@reddit
This dumbass CHOSE to intentionally land into oncoming traffic?
Gobiego@reddit
Counter commute direction. Mostly empty versus completely full lanes.
BiggyShake@reddit
Not, even then it's pretty questionable.
Mostly empty isn't completely empty, and the closing speeds are much higher with less likelihood that the drivers can distinguish which direction you're going.
Only way I can see it being a better choice is if traffic is completely bumper to bumper and there's no place for you to actually touch down and roll out.
If he was smart he would have recognized which side was better and turned around to go with the better travel lanes, but dude didn't even check his fuel.
skbum2@reddit
This is a bad take. Are you an aviator?
BiggyShake@reddit
I was a student pilot for a while, but couldn't continue.
Everything I've ever heard was to always land with direction of traffic because it's safer.
skbum2@reddit
A controlled landing in a less than ideal spot is better than an uncontrolled landing and always aviate, navigate, communicate. Managing his aircraft's altitude/energy is his first priority and a critical resource once he lost power (aviate). Deciding on where to then attempt to put down is second to that (navigate). Not sure what his altitude was when he committed to the highway landing but I'm guessing it wasn't much. Doing a 180 degree turn is going to eat up a lot of altitude.
Taking the pilot's account at face value, at the decision point I'm VFR on short final to an uncontrolled "airfield" with engine out. Glide ratio is likely 7.5:1 to 10:1 with a best glide speed around 70 mph. Stall speed is around 45mph. This gives me a bit less than two miles traveled and two minutes flight time for every 1000' AGL assuming zero wind, provided I'm flying mostly straight and level. I have my landing zone in sight and I'm established on a stabilized approach. Doing a 180 degree turn will take me off my approach and over a populated area. I will also lose sight of my landing zone and only have a few minutes at most to reassess and prepare for landing after completing that turn.
While landing against the flow of traffic might be less than ideal, performing a 180degree turn at this assumed decision point would be an even worse decision. It would increase the odds of an uncontrolled landing significantly with little additional safety factor even in the best case scenario.
remuspilot@reddit
Oncoming traffic also sees you and has easier time avoiding you.
Substantial-End-7698@reddit
Yeah but if both directions were equally busy I wouldn’t be choosing to land into oncoming traffic
CookieMonsterNova@reddit
he deserves to have his license revoked right?
slvstrChung@reddit
This bozo made a third of my office late yesterday.
N301CF@reddit
damn, this was well written
deserves to be featured on ILAFFT
good on him for acknowledging the error openly for others to learn from
Muchbetterthannew@reddit
Well, it was definitely written
FriendlyWrongdoer363@reddit
We used a Dipstick on the main fuel cells and externals on the C-130 and then checked the gauges against the dipped tanks. It only takes a few minutes.
scherge1a@reddit
This guy is a twat.
waltcolby@reddit
Glad you survived the flight, if you survive the verbal ridicule from the YouTube comments section, you should be fine.
The_Original_Tbone@reddit
Idiot
The_Original_Tbone@reddit
Let's blow off some check's and risk alot of other people other than myself.
BigVindy@reddit
Uh, that's why we have checklists..... Follow the preflight checklist, you're not better than those that do follow them. We have them for a reason.....
wt1j@reddit
If only he was as diligent as he is pretentious. Keep it boring. Checklists every time.
jackbobjoe@reddit
Seems like a very self important dude who likely works in B2B.
KangarooImpossible19@reddit
Saw a video of this!
https://youtu.be/6gjcoeKBaRs?si=PzgLRh7wDrHdlj-I
Farmallenthusiast@reddit
That is what you call purple prose. It’s right out of a “bad novel” contest.
melquiades_is_alive@reddit
They way he's writing it down, in such a dramatic way, shows he's focused on the wrong way. What an idiot. A lucky idiot.
SlippinYimmyMcGill@reddit
I'm glad he owned the mistake. With so many variables, you have to control everything you can.
steinair@reddit
Awful lot of word salad to say: “I ran out of gas”.
Dude needs to put down the thesaurus and check his fuel instead.
CanadianEh48@reddit
Maybe hang up the wings and take up writing.
MobileMenace420@reddit
Even with this screwup, he’s still an infinitely better pilot than writer
Bourban_Cigars@reddit
Good story and reflection. I remember in flight school my instructor said to me.... NEVER memorize a checklist. Glad your safe. Any landing you can walk away from....... 😎
LS2595@reddit
Love his country this would as they say bring some people back down to earth with a bang. Thankfully enough it wasn't a fatal one. We are human and we do make mistakes. Just glad he is alive and his kids have a daddy still.
Katana_DV20@reddit
Glad he's ok, but yeah get eyeballs on that fuel always.
Also that write up sounds like a corporate PowerPoint presentation or the script for an afternoon telenovela.
taft@reddit
new pilots:
gas and oil keep airspeed up stay coordinated stay out of clouds eyes outside
be your own advocate
justinholmes_music@reddit
Brilliant and captivating writing all the way until the final paragraph, where it turns into CYA nonsense. A shame.
wiltony@reddit
It was neither brilliant nor captivating, IMO.
Hirsuitism@reddit
I don't see how it's CYA. He seems to take the blame.
ManufacturerLost7686@reddit
The reason those checklists exist is because there was at least one person before him who never got to own up to his mistake afterwards...
ManufacturerLost7686@reddit
Typical "habit blindness".
"That fuel gauge has never been incorrect. I can trust it. I'm in a hurry after all. Its fine"
The one time you don't do the check, that's the time it's gonna fail.
"Its fine." Kills people.
DwightSchrute8@reddit
Bro thought kids were in the field playing at 6:00 and chose the freeway instead, risking a ton of lives.
tcdrew@reddit
In the video interview he said that he saw kids running so he wanted to avoid the field. Little different than what he wrote here.
Icommentwhenhigh@reddit
Nicely written, takes a bit of courage and a bit of foolishness to admit making such basic mistakes.
TicTac_No@reddit
There are reasons for checklists, and this man found out one of those reasons, the hard way.
Deer-in-Motion@reddit
At least it's just an expensive lesson instead of his final one.