The Polls Are Underestimating the Importance of Climate Change | "If we do not address climate change, every other major issue on the American mind will get worse"
Posted by BACK2BACKSTACKNJACK@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 179 comments
Published today on Rolling Stone, the following article takes a look at the latest polls and wouldn't you know it, climate change seems to have slipped our mind. I suppose a global emergency takes backseat whenever the Americans are picking their new head of state. Far better to focus on the economy & immigration, both of which are wedge issues compared to climate change.
Collapse related because the "most important election of our time" seems to be struggling to focus on the most existential threat in all of human history.
But hey, I'm feeling really positive about 2028. Lol.
Critical_Walk@reddit
There are no adults in the room. The kids have voted for a kid as headmaster. CHAOS WILL REIGN
AstralVenture@reddit
Interstellar coming soon
dumnezero@reddit
Nope. Trump represents a monarchist movement, unofficially, and aristocracy does not like democracy. You're going to have to wait for decades for Boomers to die out and generations of miserable children to grow up with a pure hatred of the regime. I would say that the D party will get banned, but they're already so far right that they'll just have to switch their theatrics, much like that favorite form of theater in the US: wrestling. (And the few leftists in there will get purged.)
So... feel positive about 2048, maybe.
wam2112@reddit
Wrestling…to the death! And with lions hopefully.
dumnezero@reddit
That's for the "illegals"...
BACK2BACKSTACKNJACK@reddit (OP)
Y'know i was actually having a pretty good day.
Thanks.
Jerk.
The_WolfieOne@reddit
Bottom line is, if we don’t solve the Climate issue in relatively short order, none of the other problems will matter one bit.
This is what blows me away.
Reality is slapping people upside the head with floods and storms and heat and they’re all still caught up in what’s between a person’s legs and other similar trivial bullshit.
As a species, we are unfit to expand into the universe.
Sharp_Common_4837@reddit
I'm so for making AI go absolutely as fast as possible now. Fuck it lol
hectorxander@reddit
The thing is. We were never going to solve the climate crisis, the odds were and are now zero. I saw this 25 years back. There's not a chance even if it was not already too late which it is. Not that we shouldn't try. But in truth we are now and have been fucked on this, there is no way, there is no way.
AwakenedSheeple@reddit
In a manner of speaking, there is almost a sense of ease accepting the hopelessness.
We're fucked. 100% guaranteed. Any action we can take would only stall the damage, not prevent it, and definitely not undo it.
Any work we can do now would only be to buy time. Perhaps that time would be spent to make the remaining habitable zones indefinitely sustainable, or to figure out how to get our undeserving asses offworld for life. But the Earth as we know it had already passed the tipping point years ago.
BACK2BACKSTACKNJACK@reddit (OP)
I would compare today's events to a speeding car without breaks.
You are barreling towards a cliff, death seems imminent, you're scared as tits.
Your car goes over the cliff - death is imminent. You have a strange sigh of relief. "Well, if this is it, at least it will be quick".
Obviously I'm not relieved, but a dark part of me is glad I know our fate - for certain.
gumbercules6@reddit
Yep, it's sad to see but the earth is fucked with 8 billion mouths to feed, house, and entertain with endless consumption. I fear it's just impossible at this point because nobody cares. I will continue to do what I can for my kids.
hectorxander@reddit
I think the bigger problem of 8 billion mouths to feed is every other aspect of our lives.
We all have personal vehicles driving on roads that are rebuilt every few years, have inefficient everything, and now even waste crop land on ethanol.
We could support more than that with smarter more efficient systems, building things to last and cooperatively doing heat and hot water and cooloing in populated places.
Ditching cars altogether, eating more sustainable foods and finding new foods to introduce, etc.
gumbercules6@reddit
Yes but this requires sacrifice and collaboration, and that's just not going to happen.
hectorxander@reddit
No not on a global scale.
But we could on local scales, not that it would make a difference for climate change to speak of but we could build planned communities and planned cities just crowdfunding benefit corporations. Or we can say cooperatively investing in. Or we can say cooperatively investing in benefit corporations where maximizing profit is not the only concern. Cooperatively we could have a much higher quality of life for a lot less money and resources.
LordTuranian@reddit
It didn't need to be solved. Just minimizing the damage done wouldn't gave given humanity some kind of future.
eayaz@reddit
Nothing lasts.
But we adapt well.
182YZIB@reddit
You need to believe a bit more on technology.
The_WolfieOne@reddit
Agreed. I too, have been screaming about this since last millennium.
Crickets man, fucking crickets.
phred14@reddit
We're providing an answer to the Fermi Paradox. We're in the process of failing the Great Filter.
HardlyRecursive@reddit
Fermi Paradox is pretty much solved. There are enough UAP events now to say we aren't alone.
dumnezero@reddit
No, they say "we are gullible".
HardlyRecursive@reddit
I highly suggest you dig deeply into the topic. This is not a Loch Ness monster being a Plesiosaur scenario.
dumnezero@reddit
Your passion for low quality fantasy stories isn't of interest to me.
Decloudo@reddit
I mean, refusing to even look at existing data just because you think a certain implication/result is impossible is a bias in on itself and the opposite of scientific thinking.
dumnezero@reddit
is it tho?
and do you believe that "coincidences don't exist"?
Decloudo@reddit
You will never find out if you deny even looking at it. And I dont mean shacky backyard ufo videos.
Why would I? Why do you even ask? I didnt suggest any the likes of that with my comment.
dumnezero@reddit
It's a simple question with regards to thinking. Does the phrase:
agree with you?
Decloudo@reddit
No I do not, now answer my questions too if you would.
dumnezero@reddit
Well, the belief that there are no coincidences is foundational to the conspiracy stories you're a fan of.
Decloudo@reddit
I just said that I dont believe in that.
And you packing all info about this topic unread into a bin just because you dislike the label is still a bias.
Or do you imply that this whole official hearing about the topic is made up?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNgoul4vyDM
Its one thing to be critical, another to straight up deny to look at the data presented.
While there is a shitton of bullshit around this topic, it cant be used to automatically dismiss evaluation of everything regarding this topic.
This is dismissing looking at data cause you already are sure of the result of looking at it.
Which is a highly unscientific notion and this would be obvious where it any other less controversiol topic.
Im not saying this is true, im saying lets look at all the data an make sure/find out.
Either its something that is happening or its not, refusing to look at the data wont change this.
dumnezero@reddit
But you believe others that do.
Decloudo@reddit
I dont believe anything, I look at data and draw possible conclusions.
I really dont get why you constantly put mouths in my word.
dumnezero@reddit
Someone created the 'data'. Someone else processed the 'data'. Someone else delivered the 'data'. Your relying on assumptions that you're not aware of.
https://www.youtube.com/@CaptainDisillusion/search?query=UFO (type in UFO in the search bar if you don't see the results)
VFX Artists DEBUNK FLYING ORB UFO Videos - YouTube
Spooky Hustlers: How wacky UFO activists and "crazy" ghost hunters duped Congress into hunting UFOs - YouTube
How Wealthy UFO Fans Helped Fuel Fringe Beliefs | Scientific American
The UFO craze was created by government nepotism and incompetent journalism
Decloudo@reddit
Thats cherrypicking. I know that people push a lot of bullshit about the topic.
If you cared to look at my link, people in hig positions (political and military), with security clearance, decades of expierience etc. take this more serious then you do.
Why are you so adamant that everything about this topic must be bullshit?
dumnezero@reddit
It's sightings of bullshit.
If you don't understand how easily these can be faked, how do you know you found the "true" ones?
Believing in absurdities is a big pathway to being open to committing atrocities (paraphrasing someone else).
The "UFO" phenomenon, including abductions, are essentially a modernist retelling of angel stories of the past. Neither are true, but they serve to enchant the world and escape from horrific, cold, and boring reality that we have to work in and fix.
And if you looked at what I linked it debunks what those people claim.
Working with high security doesn't mean working with reality. We saw that recently in the attempt of certain security agencies to attribute the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic to labs, even secret ones. That actually went against the scientific evidence.
Like with the pandemic, failure to understand factual reality creates a vulnerability. With viral pandemics, the vulnerability is that prevention efforts are absent or misplaced (focusing on labs instead of animal farms). With UFOs, the vulnerability is mostly distraction and optimism. It's the hopium that there's some secret technology that can prolong Business As Usual, or even save the world from climate and ecological disaster. As it parallels the "angelic visits" miracles, the belief in these miracles is demotivational, disabling, and distracting. Instead of talking about the fossil fuel industry and the meat industry, we're talking about fantastic stories which are so weak in evidence that they challenge our very concepts of what evidence is. And that's a goal in of itself, that's a goal disinformation: to cause confusion.
You can be fairly certain that the UFO stories are going to be tied to weather modification conspiracy stories (magical machines) and that's going to be used to ignore the climate hyperobject problem and delay efforts to mitigate and adapt.
HardlyRecursive@reddit
So all these military personnel are just making this all up? All these citizen eye witness accounts are all 100% wrong? These govt admissions throughout the years are simply not that?
There are more worlds around us than there are grains of sand on this world. Think about that for a little while. You're certain you have it all figured out? That seems much more the fantasy.
WIAttacker@reddit
Yes, I think the only reason they are talking about it now is to have another distraction.
Nothing makes me believe in aliens less than military personnel talking about it.
HardlyRecursive@reddit
The idea of a distraction really doesn't make sense. There are plenty of distractions already in the world, you watch tv/movies all the time; there would be no need to just start making random things like aliens are flying around up.
dumnezero@reddit
If you want to read, start here: https://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/1fjk1k7/you_should_know_that_the_people_promoting_ufos/
I'm not going to pull you out of the rabbit hole you're in.
HardlyRecursive@reddit
I'll read it as I absorb info from everywhere. Let me tell you though, this is not about the last few years.
dumnezero@reddit
I went through my conspiracy story phase a long time ago. What I'm seeing now is just lazy regurgitation of already lazily regurgitated regurgitation. I hope that you find your way out eventually, you have a brain that can do a lot of sorting out of bad information.
HardlyRecursive@reddit
Answer my question directly though.
Again.
"There are more worlds around us than there are grains of sand on this world. Think about that for a little while. You're certain you have it all figured out? That seems much more the fantasy."
What gives you such a level of confidence when you haven't even visited one of the 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 planets outside this solar system?
dumnezero@reddit
Traveling is difficult. Complex interstellar technology is difficult. Space is unimaginably huge.
I'd expect at least clear signal communications (a transfer of fast and organized radiation) before transfers of beings or ships (a slow transfer of matter).
Nyao@reddit
The Fermi Paradox is not about "there is no other life anywhere"; it’s about the contradiction between the high probability of extraterrestrial civilizations and the lack of evidence for such civilizations.
HardlyRecursive@reddit
I'm aware of what it is and I'll just say it's flawed due to us only having our one example of life to base it on. Life could take various forms we are unware of. What makes you confident the current situation is not a ball lightning scenario? For centuries ball lightning was reported by people but it was only until recently to be accepted as real by the scientific community due to its elusive nature. Much still isn't known about it. Such as many things are still unknown about the reality around us, we are very far from having all the answers of the full big picture. What makes you so supremely confident that every scrap of info on the UAP subject can be dismissed as not advanced non-human life and it's all just wacky conspiracy fiction?
ruat_caelum@reddit
The the poster you are chatting with but I can jump in here.
It's like religion or anything else that makes a claim of some unknown or unprovable thing. Religion, big foot, lizard people in human skin, etc. Religion is just the easiest example because we have so many years of it to look at.
Religion a couple thousand years ago makes all sorts of fanciful claims, then as time advances, we realize these claims are not tied to supernatural stuff, but instead just things that were not understood at the time.
It's not pigs and shell fish that kill you, it's a lack of germ theory and refrigeration. They whole "don't eat swine and shellfish" isn't some divinely mandated thing. If it was, god would have explained there are tiny creatures that make us sick but that we don't have the ability to see them yet.
Hell just look at the infant mortality rate before and after it became common practice for doctors to wash their hands. How many billions of lives would have been saved had we been divinely gifted germ theory?
Other things like evolution or the earth being the center of the universe, etc, were all fundamental aspects of religion that were later debunked and disproved to everyone's satisfaction.
Which brings me to your question:
History.
People have believed so many things without evidence, over the years that we would now laugh at. Rubbing dirt behind your ears to help you get over sickness, etc.
There are people who WANT or NEED to believe in things so they can feel powerful or knowledgeable or hopeful or "better than" (Not to imply you yourself fall into any of these categories) Those types of people cling to these beliefs even as EVEIDENCE erodes the foundations of these myths they believe in.
Now if you had any testable evidence, like we do for evolution, or magnetism, gravity, the location of Earth in our solar system, the age of the Earth and universe etc, then your claims would be different. But without evidence that can be tested your claims are no different than the guy who got a Message from Jesus on a piece of toast, or the dude who saw big foot, or the guy who says the lock ness monster is real.
walkinman19@reddit
Then why don't they do something? If there are actual intelligent beings out there they are just kicking back and watching us destroy ourselves.
So fuck em. They are no better than we are.
Decloudo@reddit
Why would they be entitled to help us?
Why do you assume they have human morals?
walkinman19@reddit
No worries. It's only us on our used to be beautiful little blue marble in space. And we for sure just signed the earth's death warrant tonight in the election.
HardlyRecursive@reddit
One explanation could be they are so far advanced that we are of little concern. They could be treating us the way we treat other species on this world. This would be somewhat fitting. I mean humanity exteriminated thousands of species and almost no one cares about it, our lives just continue on and it's rarely mentioned because we matter above all else. I mean today I saw a youtube video where a guy poured molten aluminum into an ant hill because he wanted to make a sculpture. Fuck those ants right, likes and attention are what matter...
Another possibilty is they are unable. UAPs could be some type of long distance probes and they aren't physically here.
There are other possible explanations but the point is regardless of their intention it seems like there is more to this story than it being simple fiction.
Idle_Redditing@reddit
If there is some galactic utopian union then they won't want us to join.
I still want them to take me and liberate me from this horrible planet. I want to abandon this place like Lysella in The Orville abandoned her home planet.
blacksmoke9999@reddit
I know, but we are not sending our best! We are sending Elon Musk to Mars, whose dream is to be Emperor Worm-God or Mars.
Space seems to be reserved for rich assholes
blacksmoke9999@reddit
I would still expect some aliens to be more eusocial, the way wasps are, and therefore less assholish. We come from apes, we are apes, and apes are assholes.
Not every species on earth is that selfish, so the same could be true for aliens.
Maybe if we came from bonobos(less aggressive) we would be better.
Maybe aliens don't come because those that do not kill themselves (the asshole aliens)are less selfish and thus less likely to visit a country filled with assholes.
We are the bad, unstable, old neighbor that everybody is is waiting to die of a heart attack at 120 years old but somehow has kept on going.
tl;dr Maybe we are the bad aliens in a sci-fi movie
Fn_Spaghetti_Monster@reddit
We couldn't 'have come from Bonobos', we share a common ancestor. That would be like saying we came from a second cousin or something. We just share a common great grandparent. Also Chimps and Humans are really the only asshole apes. Gorillas, orangutans and bonobos (like you mentioned) are all pretty chill as animals in the wild go.
blacksmoke9999@reddit
I know that. I just mean if we were more like Bonobos, less sexual dimorphism, less aggressive. I did not want to sound all technical.
Anyways I do not trust Gorillas, too aggressive
phred14@reddit
It's what makes me think there could be something behind the Prime Directive from Star Trek. The generally unsaid aspect is keeping advanced technology out of the hands of species that are too immature to use it properly. That means us. Personally I've grown to think that any technological species that doesn't shed its warlike side and doesn't learn to understand its limits won't survive.
Eydor@reddit
If we ever get to space travel, we'd still be the selfish, aggressive, greedy, short-sighted, irrational apes that we are now. Only in space.
phred14@reddit
I'd like to think that over time we will become better people, then perhaps we'll be good enough to handle space travel.
Decloudo@reddit
Technology is the great filter.
It grants us power far beyond our capabilities to deal with.
babadum@reddit
Why are people so afraid of technology?
babadum@reddit
Aka shooting yourself in the foot
walkinman19@reddit
100% correct.
FasAfMan@reddit
We might witness hundreds of millions of climate catastrophe deaths in the global south. I am horrified and devastated, and I feel so guilty for living in the 1st world.
merikariu@reddit
If a politician were to say "We have an enemy that is killing our citizens and bombing our country, creating hundreds of billions of dollars in damage. Shall we do nothing?" Then Americans would say "Maybe. Will I have to give up anything?"
Z3r0sama2017@reddit
"And are they ussuns or themmuns?"
Z3r0sama2017@reddit
Yeah look at how we vandalised the Earth, last thing I want is is to do that to the rest of creation
LordTuranian@reddit
Yep, all the other issues like all the poison in our air, water and food wont matter if CO2 levels keep rising. Because Earth will end up as a oven that will cook us to death anyway.
Nyao@reddit
It's not a problem we can solve anymore
weliveintrashytimes@reddit
No we will solve it, when it starts to become profitable to do so. And god help us when it becomes profitable to start fighting against climate change.
Decloudo@reddit
How exactly? Whats is you basis for saying this?
Technology is no hollywood magic and neither is reality bound to the concept of a "good ending".
weliveintrashytimes@reddit
Sorry not solve it, more like lessen the consequences for the rich. And appease to the poor when it’s profitable.
RLMNDNTCHT@reddit
We just need re-write laws of thermodynamics in our favor my dude.
achelon5@reddit
Unfortunately you are probably right, because of the leading/lagging effects if nothing else. Even if every country shut off their emissions now, it would take many years for things to "get better" and if certain tipping points have passed, the process may well continue getting worse anyway.
Decloudo@reddit
Are people assuming a deus ex machina will be gracing us or something?
We dont do jack shit but making its worse and people somehow think the in the future this will somehow magically change?
spamzauberer@reddit
If all the people on earth who think it’s more important to punch 2% of the population back into the closet than to keep the planet in good condition would just vanish then we could actually try to salvage the shit situation.
Mad_Martigan001@reddit
Soon, this will all be beyond our concern anymore
walkinman19@reddit
It already is for me. I surrendered tonight with the political collapse of the US kicking me in the nads. It's over for me. Eat drink and be merry in these last days or flee to the hills somewhere and live off grid.
Either way we are fucked and on a speeding out of control train right into oblivion. Nothing will ever stop it now. Lose all your illusions. Do look up and see the end of mankind coming right at you.
deadha3@reddit
Central Canada... I can name only a single other person I've come accross that cared enough to go out of their way to lower their waste. I've met more people who went out of their way to purposefully pollute more out of spite. I am not very optimistic.
Relevant-Goose-3494@reddit
I got to remind myself that both parties are ass but man am I embarrassed by my fellow Americans. The ballot is stuffed by both pre approved candidates so nothing real gets addressed like climate change.
JeremyViJ@reddit
Biden passed the inflation reduction act that devotes billions to electrification.
trivetsandcolanders@reddit
Somehow in my prediction that Trump would win, I forgot that Republicans were probably gonna win the House and Senate too. So…this is gonna be a fun four years!
Nepalus@reddit
The average American is a fucking moron. Last nights election sealed that.
We deserve everything we get. I just hope the Red states get it worst. No longer consider them countrymen and I wish for every misfortune to befall them.
GagOnMacaque@reddit
I really do consider myself in the dumber half. And I don't understand how educated and intelligent people could do moronic things. I've come to the conclusion that we don't deserve this planet. We just need to put a giant archive on the moon for the next species or race of intelligent creatures. They need to learn from our mistakes.
trivetsandcolanders@reddit
Intelligent and educated people defend moronic ideas all the time. It’s the same thing lawyers do!
VariableVeritas@reddit
Oh well that’s too bad because for the next four years the issue won’t exist and will probably grow substantially worse, because we know republicans do not care in any way about the environment. The poor ones think god or (someone?! Right?!) is gonna fix it, the rich ones think they’ve got the resources to survive anything. All eyes closed in a big ol truck: Twelve yards long, two lanes wide, Sixty five tons of American pride! Canyonero! Canyonero!
Kosmophilos@reddit
I think Trump will win. We'll see.
Vendrah@reddit
He did.
BACK2BACKSTACKNJACK@reddit (OP)
Seems neck and neck from earlier polls, but on election day the right wingers will always get "more" votes counted first because they live in sparsely populated counties dominated by the Christian Taliban. The longer the count goes on, the more it comes back into equilibrium where you have a third democrats, a third re-republicans, and a third who didn't vote at all.
Fun fact - if you include us non-voters, Biden was actually the first president to win the true popular vote. Right up until ol' Joe, non-voters won every single presidential election in US history.
Beautiful_Tour9647@reddit
I've alway been curious to know why american "left wingers" think this sort of hate and vitriol is productive
BACK2BACKSTACKNJACK@reddit (OP)
I don't hate Trump voters or conservatives.
If I did, I'd have voted for him lmfao
Beautiful_Tour9647@reddit
Lmao if you say so sweetheart. Why are you guys so bad at self awareness?
Kosmophilos@reddit
Lmao! You sound like a caricature.
collapse-ModTeam@reddit
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TinyDogsRule@reddit
I'm expecting him to declare victory anytime now. Let's get this shit show started.
WhateverUnited@reddit
Ifs and buts and maybes, it’s done already.
markodochartaigh1@reddit
Climate gets worse (hotter, colder, more unpredictable, wetter, drier, more unpredictable) > chaos > people afraid > fearful people easier to manipulate > people willing to follow a Strong Leader with quick and sure answers > Strong Leaders essentially have slaves.
It's not a bug, it's a feature.
Daktari_s_retajima@reddit
All this plus you forgot about scapegoats that will be needed to please the masses.
markodochartaigh1@reddit
Sure, I didn't list scapegoats, but I didn't forget. I'm gay. I remember being blamed for hurricanes.
Daktari_s_retajima@reddit
Be safe!
spamzauberer@reddit
I’m afraid that we’ll soon be back to a time when human sacrifices are made to appease the weather god. Of course only the for the dumb 99% while the 1% is off hedonizing in AI utopia.
Daktari_s_retajima@reddit
I share your fear!
sirspeedy99@reddit
We passed the point of no return a while ago. Enjoy yourself. It's later than you think.
LordTuranian@reddit
Copium.
stilusmobilus@reddit
Yeah not sure if we’ll hit extinction but collapse is within the next ten years easily.
Deif@reddit
If the proposed policies are anything to go by, extinction will be changed from being pencilled in to a pen.
walkinman19@reddit
Totally agree.
Schabernack@reddit
we're so fucked right now
Hilda-Ashe@reddit
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." Albert Allen Bartlett, American professor of physics.
And here we see that this particular shortcoming will be our death.
BACK2BACKSTACKNJACK@reddit (OP)
I randomly saw that lecture on YouTube 15 years ago when I had just started high school. Pretty soon after that I read Catton's book "Overshoot" and I was speechless and devastated.
182YZIB@reddit
You know you can grow out of it right?
Took me until 24, then I ran the numbers for solar and everything became easier.
Zonged@reddit
Oh whew, this guy run the numbers and solar is going to reverse all the irreversible tipping points we've already crossed, we're saved!
182YZIB@reddit
https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2024/05/22/the-solar-industrial-revolution-is-the-biggest-investment-opportunity-in-history/
Zonged@reddit
https://medium.com/@samyoureyes/the-busy-workers-handbook-to-the-apocalypse-7790666afde7
Freud-Network@reddit
There may not be aliens. Exponents may be the great filter.
itah@reddit
Actually, it's a sigmoid function, but yes, before the point of max gradient it looks very much like exponential
blacksmoke9999@reddit
I understand that thank you very much
CollapseBy2022@reddit
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1c/35/be/1c35be3edfb661f3d90ea7fd5ecf76ec.jpg
dumnezero@reddit
Cow and Bird farming industries:
jkvincent@reddit
A majority of people simply do not care.
sourcreamranch@reddit
People might've been swayed emotionally in the U.S. over the "Culture War", ut as a European my inital reaction to this election is RIP the environment. Doesn't matter if one leans Left or Right politically when Earth's nature and ecosystems will begin to collapse if the major superpowers of the world (USA, China and others) don't do anything to change for the better.
In Europe many anti-Immigration parties - who also fall for conspiracy theories about climate change "not being real" (or maybe it's just to spite the Greens/Environmentalists to the Left) - are rising too. I thought the horrors in Valencia this last week - as well as Hurricane Milton in the U.S. - would make more people wake up but apparently people like sticking their heads in the sand pretending nothing's happening.
Flamesake@reddit
It looks like the fate of the world is in china's hands now
NotATrueRedHead@reddit
And Russia.
sourcreamranch@reddit
Better start learning Mandarin trying to make some Chinese friends influencing their opinion re: the climate for the better then...
TheCassiniProjekt@reddit
People don't just stick their heads in the sand, they're also cunts, the election outcome is a justification for outright misanthropy.
Shppo@reddit
this Election was the last nail in the coffin for our future
dave_hitz@reddit
The poll are not underestimating the importance of climate change. The polls are accurately reporting that people are underestimating the importance of climate change.
And if voters don't care, politicians won't do anything.
BACK2BACKSTACKNJACK@reddit (OP)
Even if voters & the general public care about an issue, it seems politicians usually still don't. Case in point - marijuana remains federally illegal.
When everyone calmed down after 9/11 it was clear that the American people didn't want to be stuck fighting forever wars in the Middle East. Did we get to vote on it? Hell no. The defense contractors got to vote though. Hey, good for them.
Decloudo@reddit
Cause people say they want one thing and then act the opposite, giving politics and economy the signal to burn coal on status qoe, quite literally.
ericvulgaris@reddit
Climate change is why we have society to begin with. Humans killed virtually all megafauna end of last ice age leading to pastoralism and sedimentary life in alluvial flood plains.
The changing climate in alluvial flood plains after the last ice age constricted the areas that were good for growing bringing us into proximity with one another. This tighter proximity created the first states. Domesticity and the insatiable need for labor for states meant birth rates at least 1.2x as fast as hunter gatherers and pastoral tribes. the writing was on the wall and the world is gonna be humans in cities and farms as the dominant option in a few thousand years due to the exponential birthrates.
Climate change is what will destroy society as well. It's poetic, really.
walkinman19@reddit
I agree really. I mean how could we not destroy this planet? Would you not start a campfire to keep warm 10000 years ago? Or a million w/e? We could have lived more like native Americans or the Aborigines Australians. They had a lighter impact on the planet but still would you turn down all the conveniences that were invented over the decades?
The rise of agriculture really lit the fuse and then the industrial revolution sealed our fate. It's the great filter really. No one gets past it apparently.
spamzauberer@reddit
You could have skipped capitalism. Technological progress might have taken longer but that is a feature not a bug.
JeremyViJ@reddit
It is a natural process. Algae was so prosperous at one point that all the oceans were green. It too filled the atmosphere with it's waste product, oxygen and paved the way for us. Now we return the favor and pave the way for new species. Unless we turn the earth into Venus.
I hoped we were more intelligent than algae. As a collective evidently we are not.
Maj0r-DeCoverley@reddit
Same thing in France. First issue in people's mind: purchasing power. Second issue: health (personal and family). Third issue: crime. Fourth issue: immigration. "The environment" (not just climate change, you can count the NIMBY people and stuff inside "the environment") arrives in fifth position.
Apparently a lot of people fail to realize their purchasing power will continue to fall because a flood destroyed Almeria in Spain (the Plastic Sea from which our fruits magically appear), their health is already impacted by COVID and heatwaves, which all turns into crime by various ways... They also don't realize we got a migrant crisis originally because the Syrian countryside kinda turned uninhabitable. Et caetera.
Le sigh.
dumnezero@reddit
Conservatism. It's our extinction comorbidity.
walkinman19@reddit
It's the ultimate curse of humanity. We could never let our ape brain rise up to a higher level.
Decloudo@reddit
We assumed "human wisdom" comes preinstalled while its an optional patch you need to search for, needing continuous manual updates just to stay up to date.
We have an unrealistic and ideological image of the human race.
Freud-Network@reddit
I'm so done. Can someone please just kick off the nuke shower? We deserve this.
jawsofthearmy@reddit
We’re fucked… completely.
I’m over fucking caring atm. Seems to be most my fellow people don’t… After last night, I’ll be taking a break from this sub, I’m a wreck with knowing it’s just going to be 4 years of straight ignorance.
I’ll be back tho, cuz it’s nice knowing when it’s gonna end.
Gigiolo1991@reddit
Sorry , apparently people of the countryside in america think that there are more important things than climate change, as conspiracy theories, illegal migrants, gun rights, big Pharma conspiracy theories.
CherryHaterade@reddit
With turnout the way it is, I have no choice but to accept the clear reality I live in.
The real collapse happens in the heart first. Cry about it, find a scapegoat, outside will still be what it is tomorrow. The suffering will rise, and I'll honestly have nothing to say about it.
Adventurous_Chard738@reddit
I agree with this and voted accordingly but am absolutely terrified of nuclear ICBM war likelihood under Harris. I feel like this sub trivializes the increasing likelihood of nuclear Armageddon, yet lambasts anyone who dares suggest humans MIGHT not go extinct in 2040 from climate. Is it the "hopium" you accuse others of having? Granted, I'm older and lived during the Cold War, but NOTHING scares me more than WW3.
JeremyViJ@reddit
This is a climate topic. But there are other posts that talk about WWIII. So far it looks like Putin will win WWIII and not by winning against the USA's might but by purchasing it.
Adventurous_Chard738@reddit
Well Trump won so looks like imminent war with Russia is off the table. Climate collapse acceleration and trade/possibly kinetic war with China guaranteed. Look for Elon Musk and ExxonMobil to be our new climate czars lol
Adventurous_Chard738@reddit
Oh, and the mass murder in Gaza continues because America is the OG when it comes to genocide
walkinman19@reddit
We just elected Gaza's executioner. I bet Trump gets his bestie Bibi on the phone tonight to greenlight the total destruction of Gaza the minute he takes office.
That place will be destroyed and the earth salted. Collapse is coming hardcore and fast as hell for everyone after tonight.
FREE-AOL-CDS@reddit
I'd rather have an icbm land on my city than live through what comes after. It would be better if it didn't happen at all though.
Adventurous_Chard738@reddit
Yes agree. Immediate vaporization would be preferable, but not the grim reality for most of us.
SelectiveScribbler06@reddit
Meanwhile the poles are melting.
walkinman19@reddit
The GOP the billionaires and the oil companies will look at that as a great opportunity to go north and DRILL BABY DRILL!
Legendver2@reddit
Well we just got f*cked today, so there's that
starter_human@reddit
I just thought it was about time to start browsing this sub again. Just like old times!
Our slow march towards the end continues.
walkinman19@reddit
The slow march just turned into full speed ahead fuck it by American voters tonight. We can forget about the American government ever doing anything for the environment or climate after voters elected fascists to take over.
I figured all governments going fascist to protect the billionaires as the climate explodes and goes wild was an integral part of collapse but I was hoping it wasn't going to happen tonight.
Silly me.
robotjyanai@reddit
The sad thing is no one is going to care unless it impacts them directly and not temporarily.
dumnezero@reddit
Oh, it will. Between the inflation induced by climate chaos (it's a normal part of how markets work) and the austerity policies enacted by conservatives, most people are going to really feel it.
robotjyanai@reddit
The question is… when?
dumnezero@reddit
It's a drawn out exponential curve, or two. Think of it as been squeezed between inflation on one side and austerity policies which will means cuts to everything good for the masses and all sorts of unemployment. What you'll "experience" directly is when your homeless camp gets wiped out by floods, hail, smoke, fire, heat, or disease outbreaks. Or when you die on your shitty job due to those things.
doghazing@reddit
LMAO I GUESS NOT. DRILL BABY DRILL
DarkVandals@reddit
Screw that there isnt going to be a nation left for climate change to ravage! These fools just voted in the drill baby drill boy.
Armano-Avalus@reddit
We'll see if prices magically go down to 2019 levels because we putting our democracy and the climate on the line on the hopes that will somehow happen!
hypnoticby0@reddit
It’s going to be the worst case scenario and I’m willing to face that
Armano-Avalus@reddit
Yeah at this point. We'll get what's coming to us and it won't be pretty.
Slow_Consideration@reddit
Exactly. I'm just going to focus on my own opportunities to get more involved civically.
hypnoticby0@reddit
Either way it goes I understand the importance of being involved more than ever
NyriasNeo@reddit
"The climate crisis is the ultimate "kitchen table" issue, argue activist Saad Amer and Rep. Ro Khanna"
If you have to argue, you already lost.
TheArcticFox444@reddit
Climate change is a result. It isn't a cause. Finding the cause is what is being overlooked.
KernunQc7@reddit
"I'm feeling really positive about 2028"
Why? This is the last election, not the most important.
shapeofthings@reddit
you just reelected Nero, and he's already getting his fiddle out...
LusterBlaze@reddit
feels like few peeps r connecting the dot between literally every political issue to climate change
yaosio@reddit
Neither party will accept that anything has to be done about global warming. They will just keep screaming "drill baby drill" and once they can't ignore global warming any more will blame poor people, China, India, anything and anybody to deflect from their perpetration of poisoning the planet.
nerdpox@reddit
Clearly, they are not.
BTRCguy@reddit
On the other hand, if we do address climate change, every other major issue on the American mind will also get worse.
The only difference is how long it will continue to get worse and how much worse it will get.
taintbernard1988@reddit
We’re too worried about abortion to worry about anything that matters.
TheHistorian2@reddit
For most of us here, it's the only issue. But there aren't enough of us.
Alarming_Award5575@reddit
so, you're saying every other issue on the American mind will get worse?
hectorxander@reddit
As a person of some polish heritage I take umbridge at your suggestion we are not taking clinate change seriousely. Us pols are not all dupes my friends
Beautiful-Quality402@reddit
Climate change will cause or exacerbate every problem you can imagine and many you can’t. It’s like the Echidna of civilizational collapse.
laziest-coder-ever@reddit
But what does rain and heat have to do with jOaBs and the EcOnAmIe?
triple-bottom-line@reddit
Agree but it’s not sexy enough for the swing state undecideds so they have to do what they can to get in first. Abortion and economy were the smart moves to do this.