Today is a Dark Day for Liberty
Posted by Anen-o-me@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 53 comments
Today, as citizens line up to participate in the ritual of voting, a chilling reminder reverberates through the minds of those who value true liberty: the chains of government oppression will remain firmly intact, regardless of who comes out on top.
It is a dark day, not because of who might win, but because this day is a celebration of a system that thrives on coercion, force, and control. Today is a day that reinforces a disturbing truth--that we have traded genuine freedom for the illusion of choice.
In the grand theater of democracy, we are asked to choose our rulers, yet we are told that we are free.
But how can true freedom exist within a system that dictates every facet of our lives, from the moment we wake up to the moment we go to sleep?
Our choices are limited to selecting the next overseer of a sprawling bureaucracy that, despite the slogans and promises, exists to serve itself, funded by the fruits of our labor taken without consent.
Today, every ballot cast is a tacit agreement to the continuation of this system. The state, by its very nature, demands compliance and submission.
Every law, every regulation, every tax is a reminder that our lives, our choices, and our labor are ultimately at the mercy of others.
Democracy, though lauded as the epitome of fairness, is merely the tyranny of the majority, a system in which the whims of the many override the rights of the individual.
For those who hold liberty as a sacred principle, the ideal society is not one where we are periodically allowed to choose new masters, but one where we are free to choose for ourselves.
Libertarianism offers an alternative vision--a society based on voluntary interaction, where no one has the right to initiate force against another.
It is a vision where individuals and communities govern themselves, free from the constraints of an overreaching state.
Today is a dark day, not because of any particular candidate, but because the underlying belief in state power remains unchallenged.
It is a reminder that, until we reject the chains of the state and embrace a society rooted in voluntary association, we will continue to live in the shadow of tyranny.
And so, we resign ourselves to this darkness, where our lives are parceled out and auctioned off to the highest bidders within government halls.
Today, we watch as people line up willingly, like sheep to slaughter, voting away their own autonomy in the name of security, stability, and hope.
We hold no illusions that they will wake up tomorrow with any greater clarity; the machine will grind on, fed by our labor, our property, our very lives.
Perhaps the bitterest truth of all is that most will never even realize the bars of the cage they so willingly decorate with flags and slogans, their own voices drowning out the faint echoes of freedom they’ve long forgotten.
RocksCanOnlyWait@reddit
Such a doomer.
I'm optimistic that we'll see a move towards smaller government after this election. It won't be a libertarian utopia, or even the scope of the late 19th century, but as long as it moves in that direction, it's a win.
super-radio-talk@reddit
It's easier to co-opt and usurp one of the two existing parties as a means to an end than it will ever be to try and build and fund the party I wanted. When Ron Paul didn't move the needle, I pretty much gave up on a third party ever gaining grassroots traction. I've seen the goalposts shift and I've made my peace by homesteading, owning a small business, homeschooling my kids, eating and living clean and healthy, and figuring out how to legally pay as few taxes as possible to make up for the services I'll never use that the government has on poor offer. I don't feel like I'm under anyone's thumb. Everything's for rent, we don't live forever. I don't feel like anyone is watching or cares about me just being out here doing my own thing. Life is good.
Your optimistic point of view is the right track. Keep government small, do your own thing. You are the captain of your own soul.
RocksCanOnlyWait@reddit
Just like in the business world, disruption in the political works is a much about timing as it is having a good product (candidate/ platform) and promoting it.
Ross Perot was very disruptive in the 1992 election. His Reform party even got a governor elected. So third parties aren't impossible. But in 1992, you had people who didn't like Bush Sr., but also didn't like Democrats much (the Carter-Reagan contrast was still fresh). Perot offered something neither Dems or GOP offered, which was tackling the deficit.
The LP just didn't have the right message at the right time. Trump figured out that the message for the current times is that DC is broken and you need an outsider who listens to the people to fix it. The GOP leadership had stopped listening to its voters (TEA party went nowhere), so it was a good fit.
Grayer95@reddit
Lol bruh, ever heard of the social contract?
Anen-o-me@reddit (OP)
Unless you can show me where I signed, it's a lie.
Grayer95@reddit
It's political philosophy with which the US was founded on. If you don't know what it is, you don't know enough about what makes America, America.
Anen-o-me@reddit (OP)
I know exactly what it is. It's a rationalization for forcing the State on everyone. And it's a lie, there is no contract. Informed consent was never obtained. We were abducted into the system at birth and become tax cattle.
That is the reality of the situation; you need to become more honest with yourself about it if you still disagree.
DRragun-Gang@reddit
If it’s a question of consent, that requires you to be aware and able to give said consent. You weren’t at birth maybe, but now you are. You can “revoke” your consent at any moment. Whether that’s a path you want to go down is up to you.
Anen-o-me@reddit (OP)
Consent must be obtained prior to the contract going into effect.
DRragun-Gang@reddit
When is this consent given?
Anen-o-me@reddit (OP)
When, as an adult, you physically sign a formal contract, then you can say there's a social contract.
DRragun-Gang@reddit
What are these formal contracts and can they be signed before being born?
Anen-o-me@reddit (OP)
Formal contracts means written. And informed consent can only be given by adults. You know all this already.
DRragun-Gang@reddit
We both do. If this is a realm only accessible by an adult, why the “abducted into the system at birth” rhetoric when consent doesn’t apply to fetuses and newborns?
You’re capable of enacting your consent now. What are you going to do with it?
Anen-o-me@reddit (OP)
That's exactly the point. Children cannot give consent. We're forced into the system without consent at birth, what are you not understanding. This means the system is inherently illegitimate.
I've already been forced into the system against my will, and they still refuse to ask for consent. It's a moot question.
DRragun-Gang@reddit
Not at all. They won’t ask you nothing, they’ll charge you something and you consent by doing…?
Anen-o-me@reddit (OP)
That's not how consent works.
DRragun-Gang@reddit
That’s exactly how it works. You consent by doing and paying taxes by virtue of living here. That’s how consent with the goverment works.
It’s better than hinging consent in a damn fetus. No one anywhere that’s worth taking serious holds this definition of consent.
Anen-o-me@reddit (OP)
No. Consent does not work like that in any other sphere of life, not in business, not in relationships, not in ethics.
You're repeating rationalizations you've heard before.
These have NOTHING to do with the concept of consent as it's understood in legal terms.
If you walked into a court of law and told the judge that X person owed you 40% of their income because you gave them a "social security number" at birth and considered them part of the nation you're creating, you'd be laughed out of court.
What you're doing is applying a double standard to the State that does not work anywhere else in ethics, law, or society.
Take away the double standard and the State fails ethically.
I don't think you understand my statements on that, I was saying that that's what the STATE does, it makes you a citizen when you are born, by no choice of your own.
That is completely unethical and cannot be taken as actual consent.
Actual consent requires you to opt in as an adult.
No one does that today, because the State forces you into their system at birth.
This is inherently illegitimate and wrong.
You are forcing yourself to accept that system and make excuses for it because you support that system and have no idea what would happen if things weren't done that way.
People defending a system they were born into because it's what they're familiar with is called status-quo bias and is another reason why they force you into the system at birth instead of giving you a choice as an adult.
DRragun-Gang@reddit
Just so you know everything you said is exactly what some socialist thinks in regards to capitalism.
That double standard you’re on about isn’t a double standard because concepts apply differently to it. “X person” doesn’t have the same authority over you as a whole country and gov’t does. Pull off the ancap thinking cap for a sec.
You can throw out my reasoning as unoriginal or adhering to some cognitive bias, but if capitalism has been the one form of economics that’s raised more people out of poverty than any other, are you going to hold the same criticisms? Or is it because you agree and that affirms you beliefs you’ll affirm me in return? This is a form of confirmation bias that many groups use to otherwise stamp out objections.
But you didn’t answer my question: Are you paying taxes?
divinecomedian3@reddit
Consent isn't retroactive. Try telling someone as you're raping them that they're now consenting and can revoke the consent at any time.
DRragun-Gang@reddit
Consent for SA and rape isn’t congruent to consent for participation in the system of a whole country because the two fundamentally aren’t the same. It’s exactly what I tell anti-natalists about not consenting to being born: By it’s very nature, you can’t. You care about any of this until you had problems and read up on some philosophy to solve them.
My advice to them would get me banned, but the solution anarchists are looking for is way simpler: Revoke any and all participation, privileges and benefits of living under a social contract (if you didn’t consent to it in the first place).
If someone is raped in their sleep and they wake up in the middle of it, while they didn’t give consent they retroactively don’t have to participate in what’s happening now that they’re aware cognizant.
Grayer95@reddit
What your saying is that you'd like for our government to be totally abolished and reformed every generation. What is the other alternative to the social contract? You sound like an anarchist not a libertarian?
divinecomedian3@reddit
Libertarians don't adhere to the social contract fantasy
Grayer95@reddit
Then your an anarchist? What philosophy is grounding out libertarians these days. Is John Locke someone you guys don't like anymore?
Anen-o-me@reddit (OP)
You've never heard of an ancap?
Son_of_Sophroniscus@reddit
Yes, it is a day we are told we can "choose' our leaders, but think of it this way- it's a day we can kick out our old leaders.
divinecomedian3@reddit
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
StillPissed@reddit
“Meet the new boss, we brought back the old boss to shut you all up and keep you obedient.”
fuckthestatemate@reddit
r/EndDemocracy
winston1984smith@reddit
“That whenever ANY form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”
The founders said ‘any’ form of government for a reason.
Anen-o-me@reddit (OP)
Couple considerations:
We wouldn't realistically win a civil war against the US government. They've been planning for civil unrest for decades now and they know how to stop a Schelling point from forming. Study the Bundy Ranch protest, they expertly gave them a false victory, let it fall out of the news cycle, then arrested them all months later, even killing one of them, and no one cared anymore, old news.
We cannot ethically force our political norms on the population. Even if you won the civil war, the masses would vote in another State system, likely worse than what we have now. The majority of people want a State and we are committed to respecting their choice, even as we disdain it.
We can walk away without conflict and build outside the US without the need to win a single election, much less a war.
divinecomedian3@reddit
Where are we walking to? Seems the only place on earth not inhabited by a state is Antarctica, but even if it were inhabitable the powers that be won't like folks setting up there.
Anen-o-me@reddit (OP)
There are some prospective long term places to go. Seasteading, spacesteading, both are viable but have engineering challenges.
But solving engineering problems is a lot easier than winning elections.
winston1984smith@reddit
Your points are fairly accurate. But… No government has existed forever. Ours will be no different with the way the clown show politicians run this place.
“At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.” Lincoln
Anen-o-me@reddit (OP)
Lincoln was that destruction.
winston1984smith@reddit
Interesting. I can understand the argument for that view. But letting the states secede would also have meant the destruction, just by a different mechanism, correct? Seems like a no win situation.
Comprehensive-Bus299@reddit
Okay what's the tldr?
divinecomedian3@reddit
The title
the_cmoose@reddit
We signed the social contract. Life has always and will always be a series of concessions. Which ones are you willing to make?
We are moving the hands in the doomsday clock back a precious few seconds. Harris won't get to keep her war in Ukraine or the one the Dems want with Iran. China will likely wait and plot for longer.
Trump will bloviate and if he cannot keep up momentum will likely lose the majority in the next election cycle. My hope is in the meantime Musk takes a Milleian chainsaw to our bureaucracy, RFK Jr rights Trump's prior sins with the vaccine, and we keep out of world war three.
We can have all the liberty we want in rubble, but what would it be worth? Ask an Iraqi or Palestinian
divinecomedian3@reddit
Iraqis and Palestinians are not free...
Anen-o-me@reddit (OP)
We never signed anything. Don't lie.
SynapticSignal@reddit
One should never idolize a politician.
RunItBack2024@reddit
Too many people think they work for politicians, not realizing that politicians are supposed to work for us.
TheSeedsYouSow@reddit
I don’t think politicians have worked for us for a long, long time.
Emergency-Sleep5455@reddit
...except for PNut
Far_Order5933@reddit
On one hand, yes. On the Other - RON PAUL
escapecali603@reddit
People believe playing zero sum games will cure their life's ills, news at channel 11.
insonobcino@reddit
thank you
Peanut_Farmer67@reddit
Some very true statements here
PirateBrail@reddit
being a libertarian can be anything but fun. fml
Medicdude332@reddit
Very well said.
r0ttedAngel@reddit
This damn near brought tears to my eyes, this entire monolog was very eloquently and beautifully written