Israel PM Netanyahu fires defence minister Gallant
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Level-Technician-183@reddit
Well, an internal collapse would be nice honestly. Idk how popular is gallant, but netanyahu is on his way of dictatorship as he already has plenty of hate.
I'd love to see the democracy of the middle east dealing with this but deep fractures have to happen first.
averagetycoon@reddit
i have predicted internal collapse ever since the war started. they cant be defeated by an external force, but if there is massive civil disobedience a civil war will start
IllustriousCaramel66@reddit
That’s just wishful thinking, there’s no collapse.
averagetycoon@reddit
really? it grows in likelihood everyday. look at how many people are calling for the army and ministers to literally remove netanyahu. i thought israel was a democracy (its not) and that the will of the people is being carried out under netanyahu who was given power by the electorate who voted him in
Zipz@reddit
How is israel not a democracy ?
themightycatp00@reddit
If you're asking a Palestinian ehat a democracy is might as well ask a north korean that same question
ParagonRenegade@reddit
Your whole country is predicated on maintaining a Jewish majority ethnostate, you have zero cause to judge other people on their understanding of democracy.
themightycatp00@reddit
Democracy doesn't require ethnic diversity
ParagonRenegade@reddit
Does require pluralism though.
themightycatp00@reddit
So you're saying people of the same ethnicity can't coexist? Either that or you don't know the definition of pluralism
ParagonRenegade@reddit
Who said that? Your country is an ethnostate that explicitly disenfranchises people, it’s not meaningfully pluralistic.
Who gives a fuck if you disagree about welfare or w/e when your nation is so fundamentally broken?
themightycatp00@reddit
If you don't care about opinion then why are you engaging in a conversation with me?
I say this with the appropriate respect, you should use the time to retake first grade English so you could at least communicate properly in one language you know.
ParagonRenegade@reddit
My point is abundantly clear. Israel is an apartheid state that commits genocide, the idea that it is pluralistic is so laughable it beggars belief you would even try to claim so. Nobody believes that except deluded losers on /worldnews and the American state department.
themightycatp00@reddit
I didn't set out to change your opinion because you're:
An inconsequential foreigner who will never have any effect on how Israel is ran
A person of subpar intelligence who uses words they don't understand
I just want to point out you still use the word "pluralism" outside of its definition, pluralism is not when you genocide the native population steal their babies and then let every aspiring immigrant into your country until the economy is thoroughly and permanently fucked that’s just Canada
ParagonRenegade@reddit
Your country only exists because the USA allows it, perhaps try not to dismiss the sentiments of foreigners.
Canada’s miserable, homicidal past is a large part of why it’s so easy to see its modern barbaric equivalent.
themightycatp00@reddit
My country existed for its first 30 years without american support
You won't be laughing if you see the meansures israel will have to take to prevent such attack on my country without air defence, David slind and iron dome save Lebanese and Palestinian lives just as much as it saves israeli lives
And despite Canada's past there are still relatively and absolutely less indigenous minorities represented in the Canadian parliament than arabs in the Israeli knesset
If anything Canada should learn from Israel
Level-Technician-183@reddit
How are they dealing with discrimination between the races of its people? Why is 20% of you population language is not an official language? Why does half of the 20% see their votes as pointless? How long did it take to those 20% of the population to have the very first part of in the government? Ig you have missed many points were democracy got torn apart in israel. And i am not talking about acts, i am talking about the laws and the history.
proterraria@reddit
Arabic is not an official language but its a "special status language" all public services legal proceedings and road signs have Arabic in them
last election 55% of the Muslim community eligible for voting voted while 70% of Jews its a difference but not that big
"Ig you have missed many points were democracy got torn apart in Israel. And i am not talking about acts, i am talking about the laws and the history." idk what you just dont seem educated there are plenty of laws that protect minorities in Israel and the supreme court consistently protects them as well as affirmative action Policies for universities
Level-Technician-183@reddit
Being used in the streets is not like recognizing it. Basically, arabs not recognized enough as citizens like jews.
Idk who knows less than the other here. I am gonna show you my researchs and maybe you can see if i am educated enough or not.
starting with HRW report.
It is a lengthy report but it is not a pointless one for sure
not so official but you can check their sources which are linked in the article.
And it does priefly talk about other issues.
a short reuters report.
hope you have access to haaretz because i don't and i don't wanna use their titles and abstracts in arguemnts without details. Israeli Ministers Approve Law That Would Reserve 'Administrative Detention' for non-Jews The proposed law says that administrative detention, or detention without trial, would only be allowed if the person belongs to a 'terror group' that aims to destroy the state or harm its citizens. Between Oct. 7 and May 1, 10 Jews were put into administrative detention compared to 2,733 Arabs
IllustriousCaramel66@reddit
What are you on about? Arabic IS an official language, and it’s on every street sign. The Islamic party set in the previous coalition, and there are Arab in the supreme court too.
Israel is very much a democracy, even though you hate it.
Level-Technician-183@reddit
you gorgot the law that made the herbew th only official language?
That does not mean it is official language though. As the reports say, it holds special place but not official language anymore. And it doesn't really matter if it is used in the streets. For example, english is the most spoken and used language in UAE but it is not an official language yet the signs and stuff have english writtings. The kurds represents nearly 20% or less of our population yet the kurdish language is an official language. It basically means this country recognize each of them with equal status.
Yes, in 2021, after 70 years of having arabs. That was the very first arab party joining the government.
Can you tell me about the difference of treatment between arabs and jews in israel? The very idea of having arabs and jews instead of just israelis means they are not equal.
Zipz@reddit
Oh wow so people get discriminated so it’s not a democracy ?
You do realize that happens in every country.
I guess America isn’t one also by your argument
bandaidsplus@reddit
Considering the American electorate has a choice between two pro corporate, pro war, pro genocide candidates, not really much of one at all.
Proper_Razzmatazz_36@reddit
That doesn't make it not a democracy, it's a democracy where you don't like the choices
averagetycoon@reddit
they enforce laws upon people who have no say in them, such as in east jerusalem, which is not recognized as israeli territory, and where most of its residents do not hold israeli citizenship
Zipz@reddit
I’m sorry to inform you that doesnt not make it a democracy
https://freedomhouse.org/country/israel/freedom-world/2023
Stubbs94@reddit
Israel creates the laws that govern the west bank and east Jerusalem, yet those living there do not have the right to vote in the Knesset. That is not democratic.
Zipz@reddit
None citizens in most countries aren’t allowed to vote….
I’m confused why you think it’s different here
Stubbs94@reddit
So you think it's right for Israel to control the west bank and not allow the people they control to vote? How is that democratic? If Israel wants to be a democracy, it would either give equal rights to the Palestinians in the occupied territories or you know... End the occupation.
Zipz@reddit
Palestinians in the West Bank are Palestinians citizens not Israelis. They vote on their own elextions.
This is how it works everywhere. It’s shocking this has to be explained.
When the United States occupied the Middle East. Were Afghanis and Iraqis given voting rights in america ?
averagetycoon@reddit
why are you ignoring the annexation of east jerusalem. america didnt declare afghanistan or iraq as new states. if they did then they would be expected to have voting rights because they are a democracy
Stubbs94@reddit
There is no Palestinian state. Israel occupies where that area is, and is ethnically cleansing it. Israel also claims the land that should be Palestine. Do you think Israel should be allowed to enforce laws upon the Palestinians in the West Bank without that indigenous population having a say in said laws?
averagetycoon@reddit
most countries arent allowed to commit unilateral annexation
averagetycoon@reddit
why are you being dishonest. the laws israel enforces are only voted on by israelis but they unilaterally annexed east jerusalem in 1980 and have extended their rule over it as if it is theirs, without the consent of its residents via a referendum. literally every country in the entire world (except for the us since 2017) doesnt recognize this annexation as well. ask the residents of east jerusalem if they feel represented in the knesset. more than 90% of them cant vote because they arent israelis, yet the knesset passes laws that apply to them
LowRevolution6175@reddit
the day Israel has a military coup you can say you're right. until then, that has never and probably will never happen.
averagetycoon@reddit
well im just going off the sentiment. at this rate would you be surprised if it developed to violence? what happens then?
TipiTapi@reddit
You have no clue how the country works if you think there is any chance for that.
themightycatp00@reddit
Do you realise there are more people in israel than just the handful of people who are marching in tel aviv right now?
whatisthisnowwhat1@reddit
https://x.com/arixegal/status/1853876376102719655
fun fun fun
themightycatp00@reddit
This has been happening every Saturday night for two years, this isn't new
whatisthisnowwhat1@reddit
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/protests-against-gallant-firing-spread-across-the-country/
weird, they have been protesting gallant getting fired (again) for two years.
themightycatp00@reddit
This thread is what wishful thinking and an ignorance of Israeli politics looks like
whatisthisnowwhat1@reddit
Odd what you quoted has a bunch more which you decided to cut off....
EasilyChilled@reddit
what you expect to happen during this civil collapse tho? yall just want to see them kill themselves or something?
whatisthisnowwhat1@reddit
The government collapsing and being replaced not sure why you all project your own wants on to others.
EasilyChilled@reddit
my guy I don't know a planet where that sort of thing doesn't end up in complete massacre/failed state.
themightycatp00@reddit
I could quote just the comma and it wouldn't matter, your opinion doesn't matter
IllustriousCaramel66@reddit
Yeah, people protest stuff, it’s a free country, sure people protest, how is that a collapse though?
kimchifreeze@reddit
South Korea dissolving as we speak.
mfact50@reddit
I agree. One can look at the way military crimes in Gaza are swept under the rug by the judicial branch* - normally a foe of the administration. There is a huge rally around the flag effect at play with laws about encouraging terrorism being enforced more broadly.
I think the curtailing of civil liberties under the guise of war will gradually lead to a real recking domestically (with Arab Israelis acutely affected) but muted pushback doesn't make me think that will be soon.
*Investigations lead nowhere, are protracted or sentences are extremely light
sherry_waseer@reddit
imagine having nukes with no deterrence attritional war in two fronts bro coping😭
Lazorgunz@reddit
i dont see a civil war, things can only change if a more liberal government comes into power. The important thing then is that such a government achieves concrete goals such as security, deescalation and a massive reduction in attacks on Israel as well as them removing settlers, with force if needed, to show they are legit and want peace with current borders.
If a less extremist government comes to power and attacks continue, its right back to extremists next election
averagetycoon@reddit
there has never been a single cabinet member let alone prime minister who has campaigned on removing the settlers from the west bank. the electorate is very happy keeping them, otherwise they would run and vote for anti settlement policies
PityUpvote@reddit
He's just going to be replaced with someone who will have no issue carpet bombing all of Gaza and the West Bank.
Level-Technician-183@reddit
It is not like he is not fine with killing palestinians, he is just actually worried about the hostages unlike netanyahu. Few months ago, both went into argument over the cease fire deals and the hostages and it esclated to accusations so that is probably why he got fired.
here is what heppened
azure_beauty@reddit
You realize this will only lead to more dead innocents, right?
Gallant needs to be reinstated.
Level-Technician-183@reddit
I know. But a collapse is a must if iarael wants peace. Whether by reforming itself from the inside, or internal collapse due to fracture between its people.
The current government has planted a seed of impossible peace few decades ago and it is called illegal settlers. Any progress in peace would mean that your people would have to deal with the settlers instead of the palestinians and as far as i know, no one likes them. Any stalling in peace progress would increase the pressure and "terrorism" which means danger and innocenta lives being at risk.
You guys picked the people who are willing to put your lives in danger mutliple times even when you knew their aim is not peace at all. And without peace, you will never be safe.
themightycatp00@reddit
Israelis know that if we go to a civil war our lovely neighbors will jump at the opportunity to invade, it won't happen
Level-Technician-183@reddit
Jordan literally protected you from iran's attacks and egypt helped you with the seige on gaza... KSA is not willing to a thing, syria is already ruined and iraw has enough in his plate. Your only concern would be iran and i don't think the west will leave you unprotected anyway.
Any progress in peace will result in internal conflicts. And progress in 2ss will reault in deep fractures. Any withdraw of the illegal settlers will cause chaos. I am quite sure you don't want to deal with 750k of those settlers, right? And not working toward peace will increase world's hate toward your country. Unless i am missing something that i wish you would point it out, i don't think there are good chances without taking risky paths. You guys picked a government that made sure no good outcome ever happens.
themightycatp00@reddit
The Palestinians were offered multiple peace deal by multiple governments headed by different PMs and governments, and the Palestinians said no every time.
Israel isn't the reason there isn't peace.
FeijoadaAceitavel@reddit
Except the one they did agree, and Israel back off of. Like the last time the US tried to mediate a deal.
Level-Technician-183@reddit
Read the detail for theae deals and you would aay they are stupid if they say yes.
themightycatp00@reddit
For you read the detail of these deal you'd realise these are the only deals the losing side in a war could hope to get from the winning side
Level-Technician-183@reddit
These detail were against international laws. And it is not a war. Since oslo accords, the PLO recognized israel and its right to exist. But somehow the other way around did not happen, the accords got smashed by netanyahu later, and the progress toward the best peace deal vanished.
Zestyclose-Ninja-143@reddit
The war with the Palestinians is already a civil war.
themightycatp00@reddit
No it isn't they're not our citizens
Zestyclose-Ninja-143@reddit
Israelis treat the whole area as greater Israel. And they occupy all of it. So yeah. Civil war.
themightycatp00@reddit
According to that logic the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were civil wars
Zestyclose-Ninja-143@reddit
The US didn’t occupy those areas for 70 years, and the US was not trying to annex the land. Greater Israel is not a secret. Only to you.
bandaidsplus@reddit
Egyptian army is only good at shooting their own protestors. The SAA is devastated after a decade plus of war, the Jordanian state is in a terrible shape. All of the heads of states of your neighbors don't want any more refugees of any types.
Every Arab country near Isreal either has a neutered military or is paid off by the West or both. None of them will lift a finger.
Zestyclose-Ninja-143@reddit
lol. Democracy.
GeneralSquid6767@reddit
He’s still a piece of shit genocider, but he’s a piece of shit that tends to disagree with the other pieces of shit around him.
Bidens_Erect_Tariffs@reddit
Yes
WhitishRogue@reddit
If I recall, that defense minister had widespread support among the military for his views understanding the difficulty in "winning" the conflict.
It looks like Netanyahu feels the military has gained enough confidence in recent weeks to push forward to a more decisive victory. I think he is eliminating dissenting voices to concentrate this confidence.
I predict an escalation to the war.
tappitytapa@reddit
It has nothing to do with faith in the military and everything to do with holding onto power. He wants a yes-man who will fight against equality
CastleElsinore@reddit
It's about three things:
Gallant is way more popular (which he hates) -heck, his wife fired the best PR person Israel had in years because he was more popular
Bibi wants someone who will back him against the hareidi draft, or for keeping subsidized daycare for those who don't serve
Bibi is a crook who knows as soon as he leaves power he is toast. He was indicted for bribery before the war, and was trying to pass judicial reform to make that not matter (he failed)
He tried this once before and there were protests in the streets of Jarusalem. I'm sure he was hoping there would be too many other things this news cycle, but the Israelis have f-ing noticed
tappitytapa@reddit
Bibi learned his lesson in regards to the mass protests (all over Israel, not just jlem), and what he learned is that he doesnt care. The first time he tried to fire Gallant the protests managed to stop it. This time he knew they were coming and decided they dont matter. Protests dont keep him from power, the haredi minority party can.
I really though he was toast after Oct 7. Im starting to see he will be pm till the day he dies... and he does not care if he takes the whole country with him to the grave.
ihassaifi@reddit
I hope and wish he does.
rattleandhum@reddit
It's why he and Trump are such friends. Neither have any moral conscience. He's just much, much smarter than him.
rattleandhum@reddit
Who, Eylon?
CastleElsinore@reddit
Yep. Even without official political backing, he is incredibly popular in the community
rattleandhum@reddit
that dude is a fucking tool. His recent debate against the guy who runs Zeteo was a comical farce.
Virtual-Pension-991@reddit
Escalation already happened. This is more of a continuation.
I believe he's instead trying to remove people who are against the continuation of the war.
With Hamas and Hezbollah in a dormant or damaged state, I guess it's because we all can finally focus with cracking down on Netanyahu that he's become desperate.
Shouldn't be long before we get more leaks from people all over Israel, as this continues. Depends now on the US elections and worldwide reaction to Netanyahu.
mfact50@reddit
I'd agree but wonder how motivated the army and even public is to end the war in Gaza. How many IDF casualties are there? How much more expensive is being at war for them than whatever super duper border security that they'd implement anyways? Also consider post war they'll be pressured to help with rebuilding.
Israel also felt confident enough to engage with Hezbollah in Lebanon and respond to Iran ... it obviously isn't super strained by operations in Gaza.
I think after a while fatigue will set in - the economic hit, tired soldiers, ect but overall Israel is happy keeping Gaza a living hell. It's a reverse Afghanistan where they are keeping the government (Hamas) in control but making that control miserable. Life for the average Gazan would probably be a lot better if Israel quickly took over and ironically life for an average IDF soldier a lot worse.
Zestyclose-Ninja-143@reddit
They bought the mess. They own it now.
mfact50@reddit
This is why even when Palestinians condemn Hamas many Israelis will claim they are lying for sympathy. Polls now discredited and don't justify wonton bombing were paraded around. The lack of elections and political suppression in Gaza often isn't mentioned but the very old election is.
The worst thing for Bibi/ the IDF would be if Hamas dropped all governing and just left especially since there would still be other groups attacking. Or Gazans at large begging israel to save them Just saying Hamas is the government of Gaza gives the Israeli government the ability to bomb without taking care of civilians. Hamas hides among innocent people in hospitals, but off to those hospitals you'll be sent if you are hurt no matter your age. Ostensibly making it harder for the IDF to just attack millitants.
Zestyclose-Ninja-143@reddit
They are a non-state. Period. Israel made sure of that.
Hamas is no different than the violent settler who practice terrorism, kill kids, set cars on fire, demolish homes, etc. yet an actual state allows this.
mfact50@reddit
Whatever. The cards will fall where they fall. I'm sure Trump will make things interesting.
At the moment my house is burning and I can't worry about the world. Grateful for American Jews at least - one of the few groups that understood the stakes.
Zugzwang522@reddit
I’d hardly call Hezbollah dormant. They lost leadership but those positions have been filled and their fighting capabilities are clearly very much intact. The IDF has barely advanced more than 6 km onto Lebanon at their greatest extant and have already taken historic casualties. A full scale invasion will go much harder for them and we haven’t even seen Iran commit fully to the war. Hamas is likely on its last legs, but they’re continuing to launch ambushes and operations against the IDF and inflict casualties. Recent reports suggest they’ve recruited heavily and are proving difficult to dislodge.
pornographic_realism@reddit
Hamas is on its last legs but the people of Gaza hate Israel more than ever. Those that survive are going to form a more extremist form of Hamas and this will happen again in a few years.
Israel is not trying to win hearts and minds. Is absolutely not trying to build up Gaza or the West Bank, and is apparently unprepared to perform unrestrained genocide so there's really no point to any of this except buying Netanyahu slightly more time out of court. That's the result of thousands of dead children and billions in aid necessary to rebuild what infrastructure was once there.
Zugzwang522@reddit
Honestly, there’s not going to be a Gaza in a few years at the rate the IDF is destroying it. It’s no longer habitable and will remain so for a very long time. If you think the refugee crisis is bad now, wait a bit, it’s gonna get much worse
pornographic_realism@reddit
I agree but the people aren't allowed to leave so they'll just continue to live like an open air prison, having lots of kids because most will die young to disease or famine.
Beagle_Knight@reddit
Having kids while living in such conditions is extremely selfish and irresponsible
pornographic_realism@reddit
Lol throughout human history the only people to care for you when you're older has been your children so you want as many as possible especially if several will die young from diseases you're forced to endure.
Blame Israel for forcing Palestine to live like medieval peasants at best.
Beagle_Knight@reddit
And that makes them not selfish for bringing children to the world while living in those conditions how?
pornographic_realism@reddit
Because we're all selfish - it serves no purpose to point that out. Everything you do is to make yourself feel better either now or later. The point I am making is it would be great if they had other options than making lots of children or suicide at 45.
Beagle_Knight@reddit
No one is forcing them to have children
pornographic_realism@reddit
Yes. They are. Do you think pension plans and supermarkets spring up from the fucking ground or something? I've already explained to you why more children is the result of resource scarcity and has been throughout our entire history as a species since.
Beagle_Knight@reddit
Welcome to the year 2024, where having kids you can’t feed is actually seen as irresponsible. We tend to stop following practices like that and slavery.
pornographic_realism@reddit
I wonder why feeding those children would be difficult? Any ideas?
Beagle_Knight@reddit
A series of bad choices, including an attempt to genocide the Jewish population during the 6 days war, the issues they have caused in other Arab countries like when they murdered the monarchy in Jordan during the “black September”, or when they participated in the Lebanon civil war after they welcomed them. There is also choosing a terrorist organization that prioritizes building tunnels and buying weapons instead of investing in infrastructure or quality of life. The list goes on.
rattleandhum@reddit
look who deigned to speak from his ivory keyboard.
Beagle_Knight@reddit
?
Zugzwang522@reddit
Nah Israel will either expel them or slowly annihilate them, this is the end for Palestine
pornographic_realism@reddit
I don't think Netanyahu wants a quick resolution even if he doesn't care how many people are killed so you're right but the emphasis should be on slowly there.
Zugzwang522@reddit
Exactly, slowly expel and kill “terrorists” and claim self defense and victim hood. The Israeli way
giboauja@reddit
Israel's staggering success in attacking Hezbollah might of even backfired for Bibi. It's getting really hard for him to find actual reasons to continue the war.
He's going to have to lean into more and more radical ideology to protect himself. The dudes a real monster. I can only hope the every day Israeli comes to their senses soon and realizes Bibi isn't so much protecting Israel as so much as destabilizing it.
Zestyclose-Ninja-143@reddit
Success? They are getting their asses handed to them.
kapsama@reddit
Are they? Legitimate question.
lizardtrench@reddit
It's complicated. Quite a lot of success with bombings and assassinations and on the intelligence side, more than pretty much any analyst expected.
However, as the US famously found out (multiple times, really), you can't defeat an insurgency from the air.
On the ground, their level of success is pretty much exactly what every analyst expected - poorly trained and undisciplined conscripts don't do well against experienced, professional fighters who are defending in depth well-prepared home turf.
The IDF was, of course, not blind to this, and I don't think they are particularly surprised either, but it's one of those things where 'they had to try'. Which is why the war goals for the ground invasion of Lebanon were so limited and vague - this allows the government to politically declare a victory regardless of what actual progress they achieved.
Overall, it appears to be a stalemate that will likely lead to a ceasefire, perhaps in the coming days or months. Hezbollah's support base is being hurt from the air in a strategy to pressure the military side of the organization, and the IDF is being hurt from the ground and making effectively no progress, so they both probably want this to be over. There have been signs of de-escalation in recent days, with lessening rocket fire into Israel and a withdrawal of some IDF divisions from southern Lebanon as some form of negotiations are happening in the background.
mikeber55@reddit
Israel is not fighting an insurgency from the air. There are thousands of troops with boots on the ground both in Gaza and Lebanon. The air campaign is often merged with ground maneuvers.
lizardtrench@reddit
I know, my point is that they have not gained much traction with the ground portion in Lebanon, so the success of the air portion must be viewed in that context. In other words, no matter how well they do from the air, they can't cinch the deal without success on the ground - therefore creating a stalemate where neither side can decisively win against the other.
mikeber55@reddit
Making “real progress” means destroying large portions of Lebanon including Beirut… Going north up to Baalbac
Israel didn’t gain much traction mostly because the massive pressure the administration puts on Israel, fearing Lebanon will soon turn into Gaza #2. There’s a continuous fear among democrats, from the Pro Palestinian crowd who promised to boycott the elections and not even go voting. So far Galant and the Chief of Staff stood against the extremists attempts inside the government to do exactly that (and gain traction). Now with Galant’s departure, there may be a major change and here in the US the elections will be over…We may be witnessing major changes in the Lebanese campaign. I hope an escalation can be avoided.
lizardtrench@reddit
I would say that real progress is the much less ambitious but still significant goal of pushing Hezbollah north of the Litani, that is pretty much The Dream - second only to somehow destroying Hezbollah altogether, which I agree is not politically possible, or even militarily possible even if Israel was given a full green light.
No need to destroy Beirut for that, I don't think that was ever in the cards. Unlikely the US would give a flip about simply pushing Hezbollah out of what was supposed to be a demilitarized zone; if Israel could have done it, they already would have.
GrandPsychology813@reddit
It’s a thing I’ve noticed about die hard Israel supporters, they refuse to accept that there’s any limitations to Israel’s power and therefore any hurdle they face must be politically induced
Really though the Biden administration has given Israel pretty much everything it wanted. If they decided on taking the West Bank, Biden wouldn’t really say anything. I even doubt they would American support if they used nukes. They just don’t because it wouldn’t be helpful to them.
The reality here is that Israel has just gotten weaker compared to their neighbourhood in these past few decades. It took them a few hours to conquer Gaza in 1967 but they still have not been able to do it in an entire year now in 2024.
lizardtrench@reddit
Agreed, I think it must be a matter of coming to believe their own propaganda, which is a pretty dangerous trap to fall into.
You know, I've been mulling over this for a while, and I think you are right. As incredible as it might seem, I've also genuinely come to believe that the US administration would find some way to justify it. The PR tagline would probably be something along the lines of, "We used nukes too to end a devastating war, why shouldn't Israel be allowed to do the same?"
Of course, that would destroy any semblance of international law and order that still might remain. But they seem to be throwing that away anyways.
mikeber55@reddit
Hisbollah are so embedded in the Lebanese society, that even from Beirut they’ll hold the south by the throat. They find ways to trickle south. For example they’ll use UNIFIL to hide behind, the Red Crescent to hide in their ambulances, trucks loaded with vegetables headed to local markets.
lizardtrench@reddit
Exactly, so there's really no hope of Israel dealing with the Hezbollah problem except through diplomacy.
mikeber55@reddit
There isn’t any diplomacy possible because behind everything sits Iran. Without Iran the entire region would have been different. The line that links Iran and their proxies is deep hatred. With profound hatred and ME characteristic “honor”, there’s no room for diplomacy. Did you ask yourself what is the reason behind the current round of bloodshed in Lebanon? There isn’t anything that makes sense. Unless you’re part of Iran’s circle.
lizardtrench@reddit
A military solution is not possible either. So it will have to either be a negotiated ceasefire, or unending conflict of varying intensities.
It makes perfect sense to me. After years of Hezbollah championing itself as a protector of Palestinians, after Oct 7 and the Israeli response, Hezbollah felt it had little choice but to initiate some kind of response against Israel to show their solidarity with Gaza, lest it alienate its support base. At first, the few rockets it lobbed over the border was so symbolic that even Hamas criticized Hezbollah over it. But over the course of the year, it slowly escalated, in part because the situation in Gaza became more and more dire, and in part because it served Netanyahu's purpose to expand and extend the war.
mikeber55@reddit
There was ZERO reason to risk Lebanon and its population. After all, Hisbollah present themselves as the “protectors” of Lebanon. With such protection, who needs enemies? But as I said, their Ego and “honor” will not allow the thinking needed for diplomacy. These are the reasons that no diplomatic agreement (beyond limited local arrangements) will be possible. Otherwise there would be de facto peace between Israel and Lebanon. But it can’t.
lizardtrench@reddit
Not disagreeing, it's a result of the usual stupid politics we see everywhere.
In any case, sounds like we're just going to have forever war over there then, where no one wins.
kapsama@reddit
Lol we must not live in the same universe.
mikeber55@reddit
Have you any clue how many emissaries from Biden arrived in Israel during the last year? They could open an airline between Washington and Tel- Aviv only for American officials.
lizardtrench@reddit
This is almost certainly political theatre. Easy to comp a few hundred flights in exchange for not seeming like you are supporting a genocide, easiest bargain ever.
mikeber55@reddit
OK, political theater….😅
If so, perhaps now after the elections, you’ll see the difference. I’m sure even you will be able to notice it. Maybe you’ll even start missing old Joe.
lizardtrench@reddit
Mixed feelings about the election. If Trump lets Israel go crazy, on one hand, high potential for increased human suffering. On the other, the more Israel goes crazy, the more it hurts itself, and a degraded Israel is in the long run the best path toward a more equitable solution between Israelis and Palestinians. Yes, I suppose we will all see in the coming years.
mikeber55@reddit
I’m not into deep philosophy. My answer was straight forward - since you think Biden’s involvement was charades and theater, I pointed out that we may all notice a difference in the future. Not much beyond that, really.
lizardtrench@reddit
To address your answer directly instead of getting too theoretical/philosophical, I don't actually think we will see much of a difference. Even without Biden, Israel still needs to hold back for PR purposes, as well as simple manpower and economic limitations.
kapsama@reddit
If the Biden admin could put that kind of pressure on Isreal there wouldn't be an active genocide in Gaza.
mikeber55@reddit
There isn’t. But it’s a grim situation triggered by “the resistance”. They even admitted that quiet times are not working in Palestinians advantage. And the resistance knew what works well for the Palestinian cause.
ShootmansNC@reddit
The IDF ground forces are quite famously incompetent, it's the israeli arforce backed by the Dahiya Doctrine that carries the IDF.
On the ground it's a repeat of the 2006 fiasco where they lost 16 tanks despite the IDF having 30000 soldiers vs 1000 hezbollah. Except this time they've already lost 28 tanks..
Zestyclose-Ninja-143@reddit
Sure are.
loggy_sci@reddit
Where are you sourcing this info?
Zestyclose-Ninja-143@reddit
Jeffrey Sachs, John Mearsheimer, Scott Ritter, Col Lawrence Wilkerson, Alastair Ceook, LtCol Tony Shaffer, Col Douglas Macgregor, Max Blumenfeld.
loggy_sci@reddit
These are policy and politics commentators and dont have details about what is happening on the ground in Lebanon. They are giving an opinion and analysis but thats about it.
Do you have sources about troops not showing up?
Zestyclose-Ninja-143@reddit
I believe Scott Ritter said that. He was not speculating.
loggy_sci@reddit
Which facts are they using? You still haven’t provided any kind of reporting, only a list of names.
Zestyclose-Ninja-143@reddit
Half of them are reporters. And frankly, I don’t care what you believe and don’t believe.
loggy_sci@reddit
I’m legitimately asking for a source on Israeli soldiers not showing up to fight in Lebanon. Can’t find anything about it from googling.
I think you’re taking these commentators word as truth in order to push a narrative.
Zestyclose-Ninja-143@reddit
For video check out electronic intifada.
loggy_sci@reddit
I’m looking for actual reporting, not opinion pieces or YouTube clips. Seems like you don’t have anything like that.
Zestyclose-Ninja-143@reddit
Here is video of the attack on the reserves: https://www.lbcgroup.tv/news/lebanon-news/809983/hezbollah-releases-video-showing-strike-on-israeli-troops-in-shomera-i/en
I’m not your personal librarian.
Beagle_Knight@reddit
So you just give names and a single video, that’s your source for all those claims?
showmeyourmoves28@reddit
Al Jazeera lol.
mikeber55@reddit
IDF reserves are not showing up? Are we living on the same planet? Look at the casualties list and you’ll see who most troops are (BTW Israel is the only country to make public their military casualties all the time. Neither Russia nor Ukraine do that. The numbers are considered state secret. As for Hamas and Hisbollah it’s simple- there are no dead gunmen. The casualties are all civilians or children. In a way they are right since these aren’t officially armies).
ShootmansNC@reddit
The IDF ground forces are quite famously incompetent, bunch of 19yo conscripts in officer ranks. It's the israeli airforce backed by the Dahiya Doctrine that carries the IDF.
On the ground it's a repeat of the 2006 fiasco where they lost 16 tanks despite the IDF having 30000 soldiers vs 1000 hezbollah. Except this time they've already lost 28 tanks..
mikeber55@reddit
Netanyahu has a serious problem with his coalition members. The folks he brought into the government are putting high pressure on him. But without them he has no coalition. As such he finds himself between a rock and a hard place. Galant (and others in the military) adopted an independent stand, in contrast to extremist factions in the coalition. Politically Israel is in a place quite similar to the US, with extreme polarization and groups holding on to diverse opinions.
sfharehash@reddit
Escalation in which front? In Gaza, there isn't much further they can escalate. That leaves Lebanon or Iran.
cheeruphumanity@reddit
..and Syria.
sfharehash@reddit
...yes, but it's unlikely that Israel would escalate in Syria independent of escalation in Iran or Lebanon.
tappitytapa@reddit
A lot of it depended on those countries. Lebanon was attacked because they began shelling Israel since a day after Hamas first attacked, in statwd solidaroty with Hamas. Iran was attacked because they bombed every inch of Israel... twice. Yemen also attacked Israel just cause they didnt want to be left out.
Well... so far ne way... it's a whole new world now. There ahould have been an election held ages ago to boot Bibi to hell.
EH1987@reddit
That's a pretty creative retelling of those events.
tappitytapa@reddit
Very accurate and factual actually.
JMoc1@reddit
If we want to forget the whole; Israel is in the middle of committing several dozen crimes against humanity, an illegal land grab, invading Lebanese airspace over 120,000 times since ‘07, bombing embassies.
Than yeah; Israel comes away smelling like a peach if you ignore every wrong doing.
tappitytapa@reddit
We dont have to ignore anything to acknowledge the fact that the first strike of this war was not initiated by Israel. It's a fact that rockets were fired into Israel by Hamas on Oct 7, in tandem with the land invasion, and continued for months. It is a fact that Hezbollah began firing rockets at Israel Oct 8, a day later - and before any Israeli retaliation - in solidarity with Hamas.
EH1987@reddit
Israel started bombing Gaza on October 7 before they even dealt with Hamas' incusrion. Hezbollah responded to that.
tappitytapa@reddit
That is such a blatant lie, I know youre doing it on purpose. Such vileness
JMoc1@reddit
But that is what you’re doing.
You referenced October 7th, which took place in 2023; meanwhile the land grabs and violations of Lebanon’s sovereignty have been going on for decades.
tappitytapa@reddit
Check out what the topic of discussion that led to my comments. We cant have every discussion every time all at once. It doesnt work. The topic was whether Israel has this expansionist agenda based on this current war, which was not initiated by Israel. That is simply fact. Each expansion of this war was initiated by someone else. It is simply a fact. Israel did not strike first anywhere.
There has been a ceasefire between Israel and Lebannon since the second Lebannon war. No exchange of territories occured since the signing of contract to end the war. You want to talk about violations? That is a different topic. It is unrelated to the one I was engaged in.
JMoc1@reddit
The West Bank seizure was not initiated by Israel? Then by whom?
tappitytapa@reddit
Ok. I can see this is difficult for you. There is a war going on. Yes? This war started on October 7. Good so far? Now.. in this war, multiple entities have gotten involved, as in there are multiple fronts to this war.
When questioned - well, who is next? My comment is that up to now, in THIS WAR, it was not Israel's choice but rather the attacking force.
I also stated that with the firing of Galant, things are going to turn really bad. For everyone. This man has been pushing to end the war already and advocated for the hostages while simultanioualy supporting agendas that meant greater social equality. He was a thorn in the side of a megalomaniac, much like the orange dumpster fire running for president of the US. If you cant tell I despise the current Israeli govt it might be because you cannot seem to hold a single conversation at a time in order to actually make progress and lead to understanding.
The West Bank is a whole other can of worms. Do you see what I am saying?? I am not talking about the shit storm that is The West Bank that is horrendous. Just like I am not talking about ICE and their horrendous, inhuman, treatment of immigrants at the border.
I am not talking about whether or not Israel took lands from Lebannon like Lebannon claimed back in 2000 and the UN Security Council refuted. Just like I am not talking about America's genocide of Native Americans and the land grabs that are still not rectified.
I am not talking about the terror atacks by Hamas (the governing party in Gaza) against Israeli citizens specifically, or about Israeli policies that have harmed Gazans.
JMoc1@reddit
The war had been going on well before that, as I have well documented. You seem to be using a talking point that no one believes. The war did not start October 7th; the open hostilities did. Do you remember that peaceful protest in Gaza where 200 people were killed and 9,000 were injuries? 2018, look it up.
And Israel has provoked this war, or have you forgotten history past October 7th?
Also why do you spell Lebanon so goddamn weird?
tappitytapa@reddit
This is the OCTOBER 7 WAR!! You are absolutely delusional. There was a ceasefire, and then an attack initiated war. Israel did not provoke this war. Hamas terrorists invading Israel and slaughtering people did. This is not a talking point, it's a fact. And the only ppl objecting to it are the ones who only care about certain peoples' lives and dont give a shit if it's Israeli lives
I will not be reading more of your delusions.
JMoc1@reddit
What ceasefire? No ceasefire existed pre-Oct 7th.
You’ve told me a lie, that there was a ceasefire pre-October 7th. I have found no such ceasefire. So please, stop with the talking points.
It’s very telling that you only care about Israeli lives; but when it comes to Palestinian lives, you could care less.
NetworkLlama@reddit
Lebanon was attacked because Hezbollah began shelling Israel. Hezbollah is basically a state within a state, more powerful than the actual Lebanese armed forces but technically not in control of the actual country. Much of Lebanon would be very happy if they went away, ideally without taking other Lebanese people with them.
Zestyclose-Ninja-143@reddit
Shebaa Farms is disputed territory, and not a place that Israel has any sort of legitimate claim in. The Syrians would disagree with you.
ArCovino@reddit
Hezbollah is part and parcel of the Lebanese government. If the Lebanese government couldn’t prevent one of their own parties from attacking their neighbor, then they have been complicit in the attack.
If white supremacist militias affiliated with the Republican Party began shooting rockets into Mexico, no one would be differentiating them from the US government’s inability to prevent the attacks.
_bitchin_camaro_@reddit
Its more like if white supremacist militias were suddenly larger and better equipped than the US military and started bombing Cuba. Do you think the US would start a massive civil war over a country they don’t particularly like that much anyway?
Justavisitor-0538@reddit
They weren't shelling Israel, they were shelling the Sheeba farms, which is Israeli-occupied Lebanese territory.
Zestyclose-Ninja-143@reddit
Why not? Then they could claim 8 fronts. Clearly they believe a bigger number is better.
sfharehash@reddit
Syria is already one of Israel's "7 multi-front threats". I don't even know where they could find an 8th.
historicusXIII@reddit
Smotrich wants to annex Jordan.
Zestyclose-Ninja-143@reddit
They’ll find one.
historicusXIII@reddit
Smotrich wants to annex Jordan.
Exostrike@reddit
Declare plans to ethnically cleanse at least northern Gaza and resettlement along with a depopulation and permanent occupation of southern Lebanon?
Cuddlyaxe@reddit
Zero chance that they do this. Even disregarding the massive diplomatic fallout, even the vast majority of Israelis don't want to occupy these territories as they have memories of them being quagmires
The only people who want this are the ultraextremists within Netanyahu's cabinet like Smotrich and Ben-Gvir
There is a danger of settlements in Gaza, but it's much more likely to be settlers just moving in and daring the IDF to no protect them. No chance that Netanyahu just decides to annex North Gaza
historicusXIII@reddit
Israel has been crossing red line after red line without "diplomatic fallout" actually falling out.
RETVRN_II_SENDER@reddit
Diplomatic fallout? In some European countries it's illegal to criticise the current Israeli administration's foreign policy so I can't imagine any European government will pursue meaningful action
the_recovery1@reddit
What a cucked nation lol
Exostrike@reddit
so you mean the only people Netanyahu seems to actually listen to?
Members of his cabinet and party have been at meetings by the settlers gagging to settle North Gaza who talk about settlement as the only way to "guarantee security". I do think there is a chance.
SpinningHead@reddit
There are plenty more people to murder in Gaza.
ecstatic-windshield@reddit
This means Israel is losing. Badly.
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
What? Why does this mean Israel is “losing badly”? In general, what indications could you possibly see that Israel is “losing badly” on the battlefield?
ecstatic-windshield@reddit
You wouldn't believe it anyway, so let's just pretend like they are winning. Just like Ukraine is winning.
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
I'm actually pretty curious how you could've possibly arrived at the conclusion that Israel is "badly losing" the war, would you mind spelling it out for me?
whatisthisnowwhat1@reddit
They are still fighting in a place they have massive surveillance in after a year while completely outclassing in terms of weapons and manpower which is pretty bad.
badly winning maybe more apt.
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
You know that the mere existence of fighting isn't some kind of binary indicator that the IDF is "badly losing", right?
Iraqi forces and the SDF are still fighting ISIS militants, but no one would argue that this means they are "badly losing" to ISIS.
whatisthisnowwhat1@reddit
Have people just lost the ability to read......
What does that say?
Proper_Razzmatazz_36@reddit
But that's pretty much on point for fighting those who use gorilla tactics
Proper_Razzmatazz_36@reddit
Well you haven't given a reason to explain how Israel is losing
Starry_Cold@reddit
I am not saying Israel is losing but it could be perceived to have lost if they are unable to get Hezbollah from their border. Less than a week ago, 7 Israelis died due to rocket fire.
Proper_Razzmatazz_36@reddit
What kind of nonsense is that? They started properly fighting with hezbollah recently and in that time badly damaged their communication network and killed alot of their leadership, just because the war is not over does not mean one side is not winning
Starry_Cold@reddit
I never denied they were winning. Only saying that if they fail to vanquish Hezbollah from their borders (their stated objective) they will be perceived as having had lost.
Proper_Razzmatazz_36@reddit
Another viewpoint could be that they are attempting to weaken them to the point that they can tell the un to enforce their own order. Also, how long have they been fighting hezbollah? If you think they would be able to finish the the job in such a short time, that's crazy esspetially because hezbollah operates within civlian buildings, and while people do say that Israel doesn't care at all about civlians, that is not true, they do care somewhat(otherwise there would have been much more death)
eCanario@reddit
Saying that Israel gives a flying fuck about civilians is priceless. Palestinians would like to have a word with you.
protobelta@reddit
Let’s be clear, Hamas and Hezbollah don’t care about civilians. That’s why they use them and their infrastructure as shields. Fucking coward terrorists that deserve to die
dummypod@reddit
Funny thing is that I can't find pictures of Hamas using human shields, yet so much more of the IDF doing so
protobelta@reddit
All you are looking for is pictures? Classic brain dead loser that can’t read. Makes sense you hold water for literal fucking terrorists. Disgusting.
eCanario@reddit
Huh-huh. Sure buddy.
Proper_Razzmatazz_36@reddit
I think it's fair to say Israel cares more than not at all, that's why the number is 50k total and not significantly more
Starry_Cold@reddit
It is too early to tell what will happen. I hope Israel is able to remove Hezbollah from its border and will lay the first bricks to a real, and just solution for the Palestinians.
ecstatic-windshield@reddit
So that must mean Israel is winning right?
Proper_Razzmatazz_36@reddit
I mean, yeah. Israel is winning the war
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
I don't get why they insist on acting like Israel is militarily losing the war, it's bizarre. Nothing is stopping them from despising the country and wanting it to be dismantled, while simultaneously recognizing the inescapable military reality that the IDF simply isn't losing. It seems like its a path to disappointment & confusion for them down the line.
Zipz@reddit
They are mental.
They think the PR war is more important than human lives
tappitytapa@reddit
This has nothing to do with performance in the war. It is a selfish ah who wants to do away with anyone standing in his way to destroy the country
TendieRetard@reddit
We told them that before even Oct 7 and kept repeating.
tappitytapa@reddit
I dont understand this comment. Who is "we" and "them" in this context and what did "we" tell "them"?
ecstatic-windshield@reddit
Israel has already lost the support of the world.
tappitytapa@reddit
That has absolutely nothing to do with this.
Rrrrrrr777@reddit
Let’s hope so.
dgradius@reddit
The guy he’s pulling in doesn’t seem to have a lot of command experience.
Concerning on the eve of a potential Iranian strike.
whatisthisnowwhat1@reddit
Lol
Yeah nothing to do with
https://www.arabnews.com/node/2578074
TendieRetard@reddit
maybe. Katz is a pushover and BB wants the orthodox support.
actsqueeze@reddit
Netanyahu doesn’t want a decisive victory, he wants forever war.
What’s more likely is Gallant, although a warhawk, wasn’t genocidal enough for Netanyahu’s coalition.
SpinningHead@reddit
So unrestrained genocide.
This__is-@reddit (OP)
The last time Bibi fired him there was a huge protest in Israel that forced him to reconsider.
Protests erupt in Israel after PM sacks Defence Minister Yoav Gallant | ABC News
jackdeadcrow@reddit
Welp, all the helming and hawing from the past year frol Israeli supporters of “Israel is not that bad, there’s still opposition in the military, like yoav gallant” people are very silent now isn’t it. And since likud will remain the largest party in Israel if a hypothetical election were to be held. I guess the people of Israel will vote Netanyahu back
total47@reddit
Not silent. Israelis are already out in the streets protesting.
jackdeadcrow@reddit
Protesting? When has that achieved anything in this goddamned war?
total47@reddit
I'm not sure how you want me to respond to this. What exactly do you expect Israelis to do right now? Pull a Jan 6th?
SleepingScissors@reddit
It is your moral obligation to stop your genocide by any means necessary, yes. Failure to do so is an indictment on your soul.
Beagle_Knight@reddit
It’s a shame that Palestinians didn’t do that with Hamas
rattleandhum@reddit
oh... so you realise how stupid the statement of 'Palestinians should just overthrow Hamas' is when Israeli's cant even overthrow their own government?
brainrot.
Beagle_Knight@reddit
Nope, they voted for and celebrated Hamas
rattleandhum@reddit
in 2007.
Likud and the coalition still won the most votes in Israel, and Israelis still can't get them out of power. When was the last election there? I thought you guys were the 'only democracy in the middle east'?
Beagle_Knight@reddit
They celebrated Hamas on the October attack
rattleandhum@reddit
you sound as dense as a brick.
Beagle_Knight@reddit
Do you deny that they celebrated the October attack?
rattleandhum@reddit
wtf does that have to do with what I wrote?
Did Israelis not celebrate the death of thousands of Palestinians? The blowing up of schools, universities, hospitals and bakeries?
Beagle_Knight@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/BHpHj7bd9k
Instead of opposing them, they celebrated them
jackdeadcrow@reddit
Also, yes, considering Israeli supporters have long since claimed Palestinians should have just “overthrow hamas” if they don’t want to be bombed by Israel
SurfiNinja101@reddit
Israeli citizens have not been held responsible for the war the way Gazan citizens have because of convenience, it’s a simple as that. There’s a clear double standard at play
apistograma@reddit
That's because according to Zionists, everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.
jackdeadcrow@reddit
Democracy for gaza show how bloodthirsty gazans are. Democracy for Israeli show how helpless Israelis are
jackdeadcrow@reddit
Because the truth is, the people protesting are the vast minority opinion. Israeli, if you polled the population, and not the individual on this sub, love what’s going on in gaza, in Lebanon, in the west bank
azure_beauty@reddit
When Gallant was first fired he was reinstated because of protests.
PapaverOneirium@reddit
The choice of Election Day in the U.S. was surely not unintentional or unconsidered. Gallant was the most reasonable, or at least realistic, within the war cabinet and from what I’ve read relatively well-liked and respected among the U.S. defense establishment. It’s all relative of course, this isn’t meant as some full-throated defense of Gallant, but he was down to earth enough to realize what the IDF was actually ready for and what it wasn’t compared to Netanyahu, or even worse, Smotrich and Ben-Gvir.
Exostrike@reddit
Yeah Gallant appears to have some grasp of reality and a need for a path out of the war. The rest of the cabinet seems lost in the fantasy of crushing Iran and totally reshaping the middle east. As the US learned in Iraq you may achieve that dream but it probably won't be what you want.
apistograma@reddit
Not even close to Iraq anyway. Iran is far, far tougher than Iraq. If you want to tank the world economy there's no easier way than a war in Iran.
Besides, Iraq was an American project. This isn't, they're reluctant and for good reason. I'd assume the US is fine with burning trillions of USD in their stupid wars as long as it doesn't threat their hegemony. This could honestly be a blow for American supremacy since they could lose the support of the Middle East for good.
The Zionist lobby is powerful but I don't think they're that much.
TipiTapi@reddit
Ehh, Bibi will send Trump a lifesize golden statue of himself and the next day there will be 11 US carriers steaming towrds the gulf of persia.
apistograma@reddit
The thing is that Trump doesn’t take decisions regarding key foreign policy, just like Biden didn’t either.
I think Ukraine will suffer from this, but it won’t be a significant difference for Israel because the Biden admin was already so staunchly Zionist.
oursfort@reddit
Yeah, Israel Katz seems much closer to Smotrich and Ben-Gvir. For the past year at least, he's been acting almost like a Twitter troll. So I guess that's the direction they're heading to
CringeKage222@reddit
Ben gvir and smotrich are not trolls they are insane cultists. Katz is very much a troll in the mythological sense
CastleElsinore@reddit
I think ben-gvir has a kach poster on his bedside.
And I mean that in the wirst way possible.
SirLadthe1st@reddit
I don't think it's a coincidence it is happening today. Personally I won't be surprised if Trump winning today's election meant shit will hit the fan as soon as tomorrow. I mean, Netenyahu can officially not give a shit what Biden says anymore, no matter how many days in office he still has.
apistograma@reddit
He already didn't. There will be no difference here because the Biden administration is the most Zionist we've seen in history.
If anything the US now has more leeway to control Israel. Both the current admin and the next republican admin have no longer the fear of Zionist political slander and money changing the elections.
That's specifically the reason why many people think Iran could retaliate soon after the elections.
This__is-@reddit (OP)
Update: Netanyahu planning to also fire IDF, Shin Bet chiefs
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is also planning to fire IDF Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi and Shin Bet head Ronen Bar, the Walla news site reports, citing sources close to the prime minister.
The report comes after Netanyahu fired Defense Minister Yoav Gallant.
While Netanyahu has the sole authority to replace Bar, the defense minister is responsible for firing or nominating an IDF chief of staff.
Incoming defense minister Israel Katz is widely seen as being willing to do Netanyahu’s bidding.
Syrairc@reddit
Just Netanyahu setting up his dictatorship, nothing to see here!
averagetycoon@reddit
may the collapse of israel hasten. there is widespread civil unrest and disobedience. who will the army be loyal to when netanyahu starts ordering crackdowns on protests? in the end, palestinians will be blamed for everything
LowRevolution6175@reddit
average palestinian wishing death upon other nations
averagetycoon@reddit
when did i wish death upon other nations?
Zipz@reddit
I mean you are cheating for a collapse in a country.
What exactly do you think going to happen to all the Isrealis when it collapses ?
Everyone will just be nice to them?
averagetycoon@reddit
hopefully their war criminals and illegal settlers are prosecuted and punished
Zipz@reddit
And you ignored the question.
What happens to everyone else?
It’s funny how you ignored it because we both what would happen and what you are cheering for,
bandaidsplus@reddit
Prosecution and tribunals for war criminals is something to cheer for isn't it? The right to return would be a massive victory for Palestine.
Zipz@reddit
Why are you also ignoring it?
What happens to Israelis after ?
The fact that you also won’t answer it says a lot
bandaidsplus@reddit
What happened to Serbs after the collapse of Yugoslavia? What happened to White South Africans after the collapse of apartheid?
Juzziee@reddit
Not the guy you were talking to but you're replying in bad faith and trying to make it worse than it is.
You wanna know what would happen to Isrealis? Nothing , they would elect a new government and continue living where they are.
averagetycoon@reddit
that entirely depends on the result of this hypothetical civil war
EH1987@reddit
Wishing death upon? Explain that a little further if you would.
Blastoxic999@reddit
Plot twist: Every civilian will probably be considered khamas if this happens. Maybe even the army would consider itself khamas and destroy themselves.
That would be an unexpected twist (and probably end too).
Blastoxic999@reddit
Plot twist: Every civilian will probably be considered khamas if this happens. Maybe even the army would consider itself khamas and destroy themselves.
That would be an unexpected twist (and probably end too).
IwasNotLooking@reddit
He wants a new nazi-like war criminal.
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