Current Laptop Bulds for Enterprise
Posted by Drip_Box01@reddit | sysadmin | View on Reddit | 67 comments
Hi Sysadmin Fam,
What Laptop Specs are you currently ordering for your enterprise regarding RAM, Storage Space, and CPUs?
RAM: 16GB
CPU: Intel Core i7 12th Gen
Storage: 512 GB
I'm working on this, but I wonder if it is time to upgrade to 32GB RAM and 1 TB Storage.
GeneMoody-Action1@reddit
That's stout, one has to consider how much CPUs change through generations, I just replaced a fleet of 6yo i5's with 13th Gen Intel Core i5 ,12 MB cache, 10 cores, and they spec out to out perform the last fleet had they been i7s at the time. 16g is a good hedge for 5 years. And the i7 jump is likely not more than a few tens of dollars per unit, so take the win if you can.
You cannot future proof a computer, you can wager it will last as long as it is worth.
Personally I just came to accept I will replace them every 5 years (went 6 this time just so fleets would fall on years ending in 0 and 5) I get the best warranty I can in 5 year slots (NBD onsite HW repair)
If you take the purchase price per, divide it by 5 days * 52 weeks, they come out to $0.91 per day per employee, its a non issue....
bobo_1111@reddit
You will get a bunch of people stating 16 gb isn’t enough. But we have found 16gb more than enough for business. Unless you are doing cad or opening 83 programs, these are great specs. We lean towards Dell Latitude line of laptops with a smattering of XPS.
Taikunman@reddit
We still deploy 8 gb by default but will bump it up to 16 if there's a business case. Also use Dell Latitude.
fencepost_ajm@reddit
That makes me think about years ago upgrading existing machines from HDD to SSD - sure we could do assorted cleanup actions (on that slow HDD) to drop used space down to a smaller SSD size, or we could just accept that spending a few $$ extra for the larger drive made the whole process so much easier that it was a net savings.
Just put the RAM in up front.
uptimefordays@reddit
NVMe offers 70x performance gains over HDDs with the added bonus they go read only on death not totally unusable. Adding RAM only helps if there's actual memory contention. I don't think adding memory offers the same kind of ROI SSDs over HDDs did and does.
Arudinne@reddit
Even SATA SSDs were a vast improvement over HDDs. Only place I use HDDs anymore is NASes and backup servers and even those have SSDs for the OS.
uptimefordays@reddit
SATA SSDs were an improvement, but nothing like NVMe. I can’t remember the last hardware improvement this significant, maybe dial up or DSL to broadband? What other components offer anywhere near 70x performance improvements over current generation alternatives?
Arudinne@reddit
I'm not arguing the numbers, but the improvement of going to any kind of SSD from HDDis massive. While I can tell NVMe SSDs are faster, subjectively they don't feel like a massive improvement over SATA SSDs.
mini4x@reddit
Same with SSD, I hope these days people are not buying spinning disks.
a60v@reddit
You really want people make a business case for a $20 upgrade?
ajscott@reddit
On Dell's site right now it's +$94.25 for 16GB RAM or +266.50 for 32GB RAM to go from 8GB.
a60v@reddit
So, buy the RAM separately and install it yourself. Those are rip-off prices.
Taikunman@reddit
Not my call unfortunately, but most users are using terminal and web apps so it's generally not much of a concern. The cost adds up over 7k+ devices. Next refresh will be 16 GB for sure and C-suite/dev spec devices are 16-32 already.
_DoogieLion@reddit
😬 8GB. Haven’t deployed an 8GB laptop for probably 8 years I think
No_Resolution_9252@reddit
I'd have to go back probably about the same. I am sort of surprised there are even 8 Gb kits available
Abandoned_Brain@reddit
The business case is Windows 11. :)
lewis_943@reddit
The issue with 16gb is that it needs to be enough for the full lifespan of the laptop. Each company has a different deprecation cycle and a lot of machines use soldered RAM so can't be upgraded later. 32GB is overkill now, but in 4 years.....
uptimefordays@reddit
By the time 32GiB is necessary for fleet workflows, current CPUs will be obsolete though.
lewis_943@reddit
The same general goal of "buy something that is future proof to last the deprecation cycle" also applies to the CPU. If you're buying 12th gen processors, especially low clock-speed or low-core-count ones then yes that's not going to cut it.
Ultimately it depends on your workload but you have to weigh up spending more up-front for a longer device lifetime (with the risk that some devices might break before full lifespan) or the cost (both $$, labour and environmental) of rolling over devices more frequently.
uptimefordays@reddit
Isn't that most of the 12th and 13th gen Intel CPUs though? It just seems like the move is "replace machines every 3-4 years with new ones that meet current or current and projected utilization based on your monitoring data" rather than trying to future proof.
lewis_943@reddit
The "and projected" is the future proofing I'm advocating for. A lot of companies plan to replace devices every 4 years, but they don't buy devices that will last that long. If you're buying PCs that have 2-year old CPUs in them out of the gate, then you're potentially losing 2 years off the end of their lifespan.
There's a lot of companies that don't factor their lead time into their planning either, so they only start the process after the devices hit 4 years. Particularly with big device batches each of the steps take longer; financing, stock backorders, imaging & testing, user cutover.
Device replacement should be proactive, not reactive. If you're waiting for your monitoring data to show issues then it's already too late. It costs more to have someone on the payroll doing nothing for an hour each week (even in little increments) because their laptop is unuseable than it does to buy a new machine.
Literally, a person on $80K salary only needs to lose ~10 minutes of their average day to make up the ~$2K cost of a new laptop in one year. $80K = ~$55ph @ 40hr week, $2000 ÷ $55ph ÷ 48 working weeks a year ÷ 5 workdays a week x60 (convert hours to minutes).
That 5-minute logon storm caused by every sync/indexer/EDR/RMM agent kicking off a scan, the extra few minutes having to go hunt for a charger & wall socket because the battery can't hold a charge, the extra 30 seconds typing TOTP MFA codes into each of the 10 apps they use because the machine doesn't have a compatible TPM to support WHfB. They all add up.
secret_configuration@reddit
Not really, open a bunch of tabs in Chrome, Outlook, some excel and word, and ppt docs and Teams....and there goes 80% of your 16GB.
Arudinne@reddit
We're moving to 32 as the standard because people want to open 1278 chrome/edge tabs all at once and 16 can't handle it.
Management would rather spend the money on hardware than take the chance that someone in sales is 0.5% less performant.
Unable-Entrance3110@reddit
I mean.... I am sitting at 20GB footprint right now and I have two web browsers, Outlook, Teams and Bitwarden running in the foreground....
BlueWater321@reddit
Applications are built to use all the RAM they can get access to now.
You could run all those applications on 8gb of RAM just fine.
Broad_Pick5300@reddit
Came to say Dell latitude. Depending on i7 speed and requirements of the users you could probably get away with an i5.
27Purple@reddit
16GB RAM, i5 / i7 / Ryzen 5/7 (depending on workload, availability and price) and 512 GB has been my recommendation for years. It's plenty. Adopting 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD early came with a higher cost up front but helped keep those laptops alive for longer. We're nearing a time when 32GB RAM might be worth looking into, at least for some users.
For CAD/heavy workload we used top spec i7 or even Xeons with 32GB RAM and 512-2TB SSD (depending on the usecase) at my old workplace.
secret_configuration@reddit
Currently Core i7, 16GB, 512GB. Looking to move to Core i5, 32GB, 512GB.
16GB is starting to become not enough, users are routinely hitting 80+ % utilization now.
Stonewalled9999@reddit
I want to work with you. Our stock laptop we give is 8GB RAM, 10th gen I3 and 250Gb NVM
250 is a bit small with everyone clogging either OST and One Drive. 8GB Isn't really enough for W11/Office365 and Teams
Trickshot1322@reddit
We split our users up into 3 (kind of 4) categories.
Regular users - This is most rank and file employees and Execs. R&F get a Dell Latitude 54xx with an I5 and 16GB's of Ram. Execs can opt for and XPS13 or XPS15. If an Exec kicks up enough of a stink they might get a Macbook (hasnt happened yet), but typically they get an XPS and are happy about it.
Creators - All our graphic designers, video editors, social media types etc. They get a choice between a XPS15 or XPS17 with an i7, 32GB RAM, & discrete graphics, or whatever the equivalent costing Macbook Pro is specced at. Not one of them has gone for the XPS since we started offering Macbooks. Doesn't bother me, the less I have to hear them whining about not having a Mac the better. (Even gave one of them the lowest tier M3 Macbook and he keeps raving about how much faster it is lol)
CAD/Technical Users - Choice between top or near top specced XPS17, or a Similarly or better specced dell Precision. Usually, we just throw the most powerful thing we can get our hands on at these guys. The less I have to hear them whining about not having enough compute power, the better.
Doublestack00@reddit
HP pro/elitebook I5 12/13th gen 16GB RAM 256G SSD
badogski29@reddit
i5/16gb/1tb is our standard since the difference between 512 is minimal
Old_Acanthaceae5198@reddit
Folks advocating for 16 value a few dollars over employee satisfaction. 16 is nearly unacceptable and just pisses people off.
No_Resolution_9252@reddit
16 is probably enough for basic users. Anyone in IT and accounting should get at least 32. If it is too much now, it won't be too much in 3 years. Other heavier users could of course end up needing more as well.
But, RAM is so cheap, even if you are ordering hundreds of workstations, what are you going to save in total on the extra 16 Gb? a few grand? If you avoid even a single helpdesk call having the extra ram over the entire lifecycle of the machine, it will have more than paid for itself.
12th gen is WAY too old to be ordering today, 14th gen I would consider the absolute oldest id ever order today, but only if I were forced away from a 1st or 2nd gen core ultra due to availability.
For disk, I have started to prefer smaller SSD, not to save money, but it forces users to not keep stuff on their laptop. A problem accountant (who lost AP for the month more than once) I even partitioned down to 70 or 80 Gb
BlueWater321@reddit
I'd say most IT is fine on 16gb. It's nice if you can swing it as a perk for being IT. But what are we doing that actually needs 32?
No_Resolution_9252@reddit
It isn't perk, 16 is just entirely inadequate.
a handful of azure, backup, MDM, helpdesk, etc web consoles can eat 5-6 Gb.
Visual studio can consume a Gb depending on the project template without a single file open.
The scourge of electron is spreading in VS code, Teams, data factory, etc, all of which are memory hungry even when they aren't doing anything.
when monitors are all 2 or 4k, the onboard graphics use a ton of memory in a department that usually has 3-4 monitors.
Windows sitting there doing nothing uses 6+ Gb now.
All of that is before a local VM
BlueWater321@reddit
Ok if you are living in the matrix like this guy you need 32.
No_Resolution_9252@reddit
No, just be more productive, and don't be penny wise pound foolish over 40-60 dollars of ram
dieselxindustry@reddit
Reposting my comment from a week ago on a similar thread. Also gonna add, if you plan to utilize browser isolation in the future for cybersecurity reasons, you may want to anticipate additional RAM needs beyond what Chrome already inhales.
X1 Carbon Ultra 7 32GB RAM and 512GB
I got tired of people complaining about not having a good enough machine so I secured some good pricing with Lenovo that accounting liked and just roll these out to everyone. 4 year lifecycle.
Hosiroamat@reddit
If someone is in spreadsheets all day, they may need 32GB RAM.
Abandoned_Brain@reddit
Or if they do a ton of research online and have multiple browser windows with multiple tabs open in each... I watch Edge and Firefox both chow down on RAM like crazy (3-5GB) with 20-30 tabs open, all day long. 32GB is my new power-user minimum.
BlueWater321@reddit
Browsers use far more RAM than they need. If you reduce the available ram they run just fine. They just keep fewer tabs/process on RAM.
uptimefordays@reddit
I’ve got dozens of Chrome tabs and am using less than half of my 16GiB.
bjc1960@reddit
Just dropped 9 bills on two Dell 76 something with 12 gb video ram, I9, 64 gig for two new CAD hires.
Adding RAM after as someone said is a fair point, but we have a remote workforce and 'our IT" is not in the business of shipping crap to our house, adding ram, doing the OOBE and reshipping for $100 with insurance.
BTW, hope you like 24H2 as that is what they came with.
linuxkn1ght@reddit
Our current standards, majority of users are on laptops.
Standard: i7|Ryzen7 / 32GB RAM / 512GB SSD
Engineering/CAD/High End: i9 / 64GB RAM / 1TB SSD / RTX GPU
Agreed 12th gen is too old if you are ordering these new.
Hollow3ddd@reddit
RIP the 8gb sodered batches people ordered without checking
xargling_breau@reddit
I think your questions best answered by what users do. Where I used to work in a devops roll we were classified as power users and got our choice of laptops, because we had heavier workloads than normal users. Basic business needs what you have may work but for someone doing more in depth heavier work it may fall over. Where I am now in a similar roll, I have a MacBook Pro with a M2 Pro chip, 32G of RAM and 1tb storage. If I was given a 16G laptop I couldn’t function becuase half of my current memory goes to my local k8s setup via docker .
mini4x@reddit
This is our regular user laptops, our engineers get 32Gb RAM and the 1Tb (sometimes 2tb) SSD.
BadSausageFactory@reddit
i5/16gb/512gb for the warehouse, i7/16gb/1tb for everyone else, 32gb if you do something fancy with data
a60v@reddit
Do you find that the i7 vs i5 difference is actually noticeable in a laptop form factor? My understanding was that modern laptops are so compromised (for the sake of "thinness") that cooling is insufficient for i7s and the performance ends up being about the same. I have never tested this.
Booshur@reddit
For u series Many benchmarks say the I5 is more powerful by very little, and i7 is just more efficient for power. Theres a bit of difference from single to multi core.
ProfessionalEven296@reddit
MacBook Air, M3, 16gb memory, 1tb drive is basic. Next step up would be a MacBook Pro.
a60v@reddit
We usually do i5/32/256, but that varies a bit by user. In general, anyone who needs more than this has a desktop.
Gantyx@reddit
Intel i5, 8Go of Ram, 256Go of storage. Everyone work on a RDS farm.
schwartzki@reddit
Current High End Laptop Specs are: RAM 32GB, Core Ultra i7, 1TB storage, RTX Graphics
Olleye@reddit
DELL 5550, i5, 16GB, 512GB.
Pretty enough for nearly all purposes, plus special equipment for special needs 🤷🏻♂️
theoreoman@reddit
What are they using it for?
If it's just office products and a web browser it's enough as long as the hard drive is an ssd at minimum
UncleToyBox@reddit
As the sysadmin, I make sure I'm using the same system as the lowest spec computer in the company so I have an idea of what it can do in our network.
Currently, i5/16GB/256GB and I haven't run into anything I can't do as part of regular duties. We do have a few higher spec machines for our devs and marketing team.
One thing I'll point out is that if you're pushing users to store all work information in the cloud, then you want to give them smaller hard drives. People will use local storage if it's available.
uptimefordays@reddit
I’m working infra for one of the largest and most profitable companies in the world on a base M1 MacBook Pro. I’ve got dozens of Chrome tabs, an IDE, Teams, Outlook, Calendar, several terminal tabs, I run around 5-6GiB of RAM and load around 2.15. Super beefy laptops are a flex not a necessity.
QuantumRiff@reddit
My companies software is all web based. And our teams love tabs. And our developers have VM's that they often run on their laptops.. We are switching to 32GB of ram for them. (I should have the first one for tesing this week)
But our guys love the Ryzen CPU's in their laptops, usually cooler, and better battery life, and actual, real cores. Not having to deal with "efficiency and Power" cores fun when trying to run our backend software in a VM. Also moving to Lenovo T14s..
lewis_943@reddit
32gb ram, yes. 1TB ssd, no. 512GB storage is still a decent amount for an information worker's device that isn't meant to hold local data copies. Prioritising faster storage (NVMe, hardware encryption support, better passmark scores) is more beneficial. Also requiring biometrics for windows hello, though that's not difficult to find.
malikto44@reddit
I'm going with i5/i7, 1 TB, 32 GB. The added space is for more space for wear level algorithms, so the SSD lasts longer, as often they are soldered in place, and often RAM is also soldered in place, so might as well start with 32 gigs, as those Chrome and Edge tabs are not getting any smaller. I always assume 1-2 cores of a CPU will be dedicated to Crowdstrike or whatever EDR, and 1-2 for the OS, leaving whatever remains for user apps.
The added RAM is so the added AI algorithms can slurp data and telemetry, parse it and ship it more effectively to the ad companies, and so MS Recall can ensure all company confidential stuff is easily indexable by an attacker without slowing down the PC.
/s (kinda)
Mission-Accountant44@reddit
Current-gen i5 (12th is 2 gens behind)
32GB RAM
512gb SSD
Some may say 32GB is too much but considering these machines are meant to be kept for 5+ years the extra 10% for +16gb is fine.
dooley_do@reddit
i5/16/256 should cover 80% of a "typical" workforce.
guysmiley222@reddit
Depends on who it’s for.
My latest (upgrade from my pre covid machine) is: 13th gen i7 40gb 512gb
I do a lot of EUC work and can be running 2-3 VMs, have several excel windows open, vs code, ps terminals, multiple edge windows with god knows how many tabs each… so yes, I actually use the ram.
Standard users at this point should be on: i5 13th or later or equivalent AMD 16gb 256gb
Scale up for devs, finance, power users... Then get the fancy slim but powerful model for execs (the ones who don’t demand mac)
caffeine-junkie@reddit
Depends on price really and job functions of who they are going to. For general use, an i5 with 16gb of ram and 256gb ssd is often more than enough. All documents are supposed to be on network storage where they are backed up. For those that need slightly beefier req, like large spreadsheets, they get 32gb.
Most of the lower requirements comes from the fact that those with higher requirements get a desktop instead as their needs cannot be met with a laptop.
VA_Network_Nerd@reddit
Any current-generation i5 or equivalent CPU.
16GB of RAM
1080p
512GB of NVMe
Upgrade to Intel WiFi wherever possible
Backlit keyboard.
They are still issuing HP EliteBook 840 G10/G11 as far as I know.
I would prefer ThinkPad T14/T14s, but I use whatever they give me.